Hiroshima
 

On Aug 5, 1:49 pm, dxAce wrote:
Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan.

Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their
place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly
deserved, without endlessly whining about it.

Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima.

And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

And let us not forget that the Germans and to a lesser extent the
Japanese had some semblance of a program to develop nuclear weapons
and that until early 1945 we were fighting two wars on separate sides
of the world. The Germans wisely gave in after we slowly ground them
down. The Japanese unwisely chose to not give in after we also ground
them down. We could not be fighting a land war with the Japanese into
the late 1940's while also having to contend with the Soviets. I can
understand the public sentiment to not want to lose another U.S.
soldier after we had lost so many already in two wars we did not
start. For several reasons we had to stop the war quickly and not
dillydally around with hopes the japanese might someday come to their
senses and give in.

Radio Japan (was) Hiroshima
 

Frank Halaburak wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message
...

dxAce wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima,
Japan.

Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep
knew their
place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so
thoroughly
deserved, without endlessly whining about it.

Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of
Hiroshima.

And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio
on.
Radio Japan, 6145, coming in very well here via The 'Stan at 0000 GMT, 6
August
2007.
Initial news seemed to contain hand-wringing, whining, and as usual,
failure to take
responsibility.

And later programming also seems to try to deflect responsibility for
their actions,
and to place blame elsewhere.

All talk now is of PEACE! Where was their PEACE on December 7, 1941?

Typical of the Japs. And then some cockbite American comes on, talking
about how many
Japanese lives were affected? Give me a break! How many American lives
were affected
by the slant eyed **** throughout the entire war?

In my 41 or 42 years of SWL'ing, nothing has changed.

More **** from Japan.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

The dropping of the bomb saved millions of American and Jap lives
because it saved Japan from being invaded.Funny, they didn't mention that.
The Japs started the damn war ! Funny, they didn't mention that
either........





They do seem to avoid certain realities. I was speaking with an
American rep from Fuji film two years ago, who mentioned that that extra
kick of blue in Fuji film, as well as the phosphors on Mitsubishi
television sets is there to keep native Japanese from looking so yellow
on camera.

And apparently they're so dishonored by their defeat that Mitsubishi
do not acknowledge, and have done everything possible to destroy
documentation for, the Zero.

They haven't forgotten the war. In a release meant only to be seen
by the eyes of Japanese captains of industry, the economic minister, in
the 70's, set out a plan whereby Japanese industry would overtake the US
and work to bankrupt, and humble the arrogant Americans in an economic
war that they (meaning we, the US) could not win.

For awhile it seemed that they would succeed. Paybacks, however,
being a bitch, saw otherwise.

That mindset, though, is still in play today, in the form of the
auto war between Toyota and General Motors....ironically, a microcosm of
the rivalry between Japan and the US....where if they'd join us as
allies, the potential for mutual benefit is dramatic. The alliance
between Toyota and GM in the 80's and 90's produced two of Toyota's most
successful models. It also produced profits that enabled Toyota to come
after GM today. And again, ironically, doing so by playing absent the
rules by which US manufacturers have to play.

You know, we rebuilt them after the war. W. Edwards Deming's (an
American) theories permitted their industry to return to strength in
less than 20 years, our own welcome mat generosity allowed them to
establish a base of operations in this country that has made Japan a
global economic power.

You'd think somewhere there might be a 'thank you.'


But noooOOOOOOoooo.

Radio Japan (was) Hiroshima
 

Right after World War Two ended, America did help Japan (Europe too)
rebuild, new factories and other things.America sent machinery to
Germany and other Countries in Europe (Japan too, I have an old Popular
Mechanics or Popular Science magazine here which has an article several
pages long about that machinery) which was used for grinding up that old
rubble and mixing it in with new concrete.

About four years ago, Nissan built a new factory between Jackson and
Canton, Mississippi at the I-55 Gluckstadt Exit, about fifteen or twenty
miles North of doggy's couch.Nissan, Japan wanted to fly their rice flag
over that factory, to be Sure!,,, that rice flag got Voted down! by us
Mississippians!) Right now, Toyota is building a new factory near
Tupelo, Elvis the Pelvis's old home town.

www.devilfinder.com Toyota Mississippi
devilfinder.com Nissan Mississippi

Here is a good one. www.devilfinder.com MRAP Mississippi
(Look for the U.S.Marines link)
cuhulin

(OT) : Did Japan And The Japanese Ever Apologized For . . .
 

"RHF" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Aug 6, 6:41 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Frank Halaburak wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message
...

dxAce wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima,
Japan.

Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep
knew their
place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so
thoroughly
deserved, without endlessly whining about it.

Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of
Hiroshima.

And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your
radio
on.
Radio Japan, 6145, coming in very well here via The 'Stan at 0000
GMT, 6
August
2007.
Initial news seemed to contain hand-wringing, whining, and as usual,
failure to take
responsibility.

And later programming also seems to try to deflect responsibility for
their actions,
and to place blame elsewhere.

All talk now is of PEACE! Where was their PEACE on December 7, 1941?

Typical of the Japs. And then some cockbite American comes on, talking
about how many
Japanese lives were affected? Give me a break! How many American lives
were affected
by the slant eyed **** throughout the entire war?

In my 41 or 42 years of SWL'ing, nothing has changed.

More **** from Japan.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

The dropping of the bomb saved millions of American and Jap lives
because it saved Japan from being invaded.Funny, they didn't mention
that.
The Japs started the damn war ! Funny, they didn't mention that
either........

They do seem to avoid certain realities. I was speaking with an
American rep from Fuji film two years ago, who mentioned that that extra
kick of blue in Fuji film, as well as the phosphors on Mitsubishi
television sets is there to keep native Japanese from looking so yellow
on camera.

And apparently they're so dishonored by their defeat that Mitsubishi
do not acknowledge, and have done everything possible to destroy
documentation for, the Zero.

They haven't forgotten the war. In a release meant only to be seen
by the eyes of Japanese captains of industry, the economic minister, in
the 70's, set out a plan whereby Japanese industry would overtake the US
and work to bankrupt, and humble the arrogant Americans in an economic
war that they (meaning we, the US) could not win.

For awhile it seemed that they would succeed. Paybacks, however,
being a bitch, saw otherwise.

That mindset, though, is still in play today, in the form of the
auto war between Toyota and General Motors....ironically, a microcosm of
the rivalry between Japan and the US....where if they'd join us as
allies, the potential for mutual benefit is dramatic. The alliance
between Toyota and GM in the 80's and 90's produced two of Toyota's most
successful models. It also produced profits that enabled Toyota to come
after GM today. And again, ironically, doing so by playing absent the
rules by which US manufacturers have to play.

You know, we rebuilt them after the war. W. Edwards Deming's (an
American) theories permitted their industry to return to strength in
less than 20 years, our own welcome mat generosity allowed them to
establish a base of operations in this country that has made Japan a
global economic power.

You'd think somewhere there might be a 'thank you.'

But noooOOOOOOoooo.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Lets See . . .

Japan and the Japanese never Apologized
to China for the Rape of Nanking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

Japan and the Japanese never Apologized
to the Korean 'Comfort' Women.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

Japan and the Japanese never Apologized
for the Bataan Death March and the Inhumain
Treatment of Prisoners of War - Slave Labor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March
http://www.rense.com/general8/pows.htm

and the japanese say we caused it all . . .

BULL SH*T ~ RHF
******************************************

And because of that and, of course, Pearl Harbor, I have NEVER owned a
Tore-Up-Yota, Honda, Nissan,
or Mitsubishi. Yes, I know that many parts are bought and used by American
auto makers, but I cannot help that. IMHO, to buy those makes is near
treason so far as I am concerned. Its almost impossible to buy purely
American products, but I try. So I quietly make a statement by driving GM
cars--particularly Chevrolet.

Some of us say, "OH! But American cars are no good!"
Horse hockey! I have driven MANY GM cars/trucks with a minimum of trouble
for 40 years, and some of them over 250,000 miles before succumbing to
"trading fever". A buddy of mine has an 86 Silverado with 450,000 miles on
it, replacing ONE engine and ONE tranny in 20 years. Gonna keep it, too! In
fact, the older I get, the less need I see for buying newer cars and my
latest car is a Chevy S-10 with 161,000 (so it's relatively "new"). And,
like the rest of my American cars, I have had FEW issues with it. In fact,
the things I have replaced in the last 7 years are normal wear items--tires,
batteries, belts, an alternator, one ball joint---and the truck is 10 years
old! It has been a solid, reliable, relatively economical vehicle and,
should I replace it, it will be another pickup---probably another, newer
Chevy S-10. Heck if it breaks, I can fix it, and I STILL don't have a car
payment next month!!

So flame and criticize away. I AIN'T fergittin' and I ain't buyin no
Honda!~ :)

J


.
.
. .

(OT) : Did Japan And The Japanese Ever Apologized For . . .
 

On Aug 7, 8:52 pm, "Jerry" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

ps.com...



On Aug 6, 6:41 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Frank Halaburak wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message
...

dxAce wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima,
Japan.

Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep
knew their
place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so
thoroughly
deserved, without endlessly whining about it.

Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of
Hiroshima.

And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your
radio
on.
Radio Japan, 6145, coming in very well here via The 'Stan at 0000
GMT, 6
August
2007.
Initial news seemed to contain hand-wringing, whining, and as usual,
failure to take
responsibility.

And later programming also seems to try to deflect responsibility for
their actions,
and to place blame elsewhere.

All talk now is of PEACE! Where was their PEACE on December 7, 1941?

Typical of the Japs. And then some cockbite American comes on, talking
about how many
Japanese lives were affected? Give me a break! How many American lives
were affected
by the slant eyed **** throughout the entire war?

In my 41 or 42 years of SWL'ing, nothing has changed.

More **** from Japan.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

The dropping of the bomb saved millions of American and Jap lives
because it saved Japan from being invaded.Funny, they didn't mention
that.
The Japs started the damn war ! Funny, they didn't mention that
either........

They do seem to avoid certain realities. I was speaking with an
American rep from Fuji film two years ago, who mentioned that that extra
kick of blue in Fuji film, as well as the phosphors on Mitsubishi
television sets is there to keep native Japanese from looking so yellow
on camera.

And apparently they're so dishonored by their defeat that Mitsubishi
do not acknowledge, and have done everything possible to destroy
documentation for, the Zero.

They haven't forgotten the war. In a release meant only to be seen
by the eyes of Japanese captains of industry, the economic minister, in
the 70's, set out a plan whereby Japanese industry would overtake the US
and work to bankrupt, and humble the arrogant Americans in an economic
war that they (meaning we, the US) could not win.

For awhile it seemed that they would succeed. Paybacks, however,
being a bitch, saw otherwise.

That mindset, though, is still in play today, in the form of the
auto war betweenToyotaand General Motors....ironically, a microcosm of
the rivalry between Japan and the US....where if they'd join us as
allies, the potential for mutual benefit is dramatic. The alliance
betweenToyotaand GM in the 80's and 90's produced two ofToyota'smost
successful models. It also produced profits that enabledToyotato come
after GM today. And again, ironically, doing so by playing absent the
rules by which US manufacturers have to play.

You know, we rebuilt them after the war. W. Edwards Deming's (an
American) theories permitted their industry to return to strength in
less than 20 years, our own welcome mat generosity allowed them to
establish a base of operations in this country that has made Japan a
global economic power.

You'd think somewhere there might be a 'thank you.'

But noooOOOOOOoooo.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Lets See . . .

Japan and the Japanese never Apologized
to China for the Rape of Nanking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

Japan and the Japanese never Apologized
to the Korean 'Comfort' Women.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

Japan and the Japanese never Apologized
for the Bataan Death March and the Inhumain
Treatment of Prisoners of War - Slave Labor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March
http://www.rense.com/general8/pows.htm

and the japanese say we caused it all . . .

BULL SH*T ~ RHF

******************************************

And because of that and, of course, Pearl Harbor, I have NEVER owned a
Tore-Up-Yota, Honda, Nissan,
or Mitsubishi. Yes, I know that many parts are bought and used by American
auto makers, but I cannot help that. IMHO, to buy those makes is near
treason so far as I am concerned. Its almost impossible to buy purely
American products, but I try. So I quietly make a statement by driving GMcars--particularly Chevrolet.

Some of us say, "OH! But Americancarsare no good!"
Horse hockey! I have driven MANY GMcars/trucks with a minimum of trouble
for 40 years, and some of them over 250,000 miles before succumbing to
"trading fever". A buddy of mine has an 86 Silverado with 450,000 miles on
it, replacing ONE engine and ONE tranny in 20 years. Gonna keep it, too! In
fact, the older I get, the less need I see for buying newercarsand my
latest car is a Chevy S-10 with 161,000 (so it's relatively "new"). And,
like the rest of my Americancars, I have had FEW issues with it. In fact,
the things I have replaced in the last 7 years are normal wear items--tires,
batteries, belts, an alternator, one ball joint---and the truck is 10 years
old! It has been a solid, reliable, relatively economical vehicle and,
should I replace it, it will be another pickup---probably another, newer
Chevy S-10. Heck if it breaks, I can fix it, and I STILL don't have a car
payment next month!!

So flame and criticize away. I AIN'T fergittin' and I ain't buyin no
Honda!~ :)

J



.
.
. .- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On the other side of the coin I had a GMC pickup that was sucked at
60,000 miles and it was always maintained properly.

The rocker panels rusted out at 45,000miles,even though it was
rustproofed at the dealer ship
Also had a Ford F-150 v-8 and the front end needed a rebuild at 8000
miles and no these vehicles were never worked , strictly recreation
and everyday drivers,so that put me off NA products and I drive
NOTHING but Toyota and Honda now and dont have these early bio-
degradeable problems anymore............just normal wearout and
maintenence

And as far as buying Japanese cars is treason ?If you study the
archives in Washington D.C.you will discover that the US cut off the
oil to Japan in the far east thereby putting the Japenese backs to the
wall and forcing an attack on the US.

Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did
this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain.

Otherwise the US public would NOT have approved of getting into ww11,
but Roosevelt needed something to fire up the populations anger....
thence their approval.
mred

(OT) : Did Japan And The Japanese Ever Apologized For . . .
 

On Aug 9, 7:59 am, mred wrote:

And as far as buying Japanese cars is treason ?If you study the
archives in Washington D.C.you will discover that the US cut off the
oil to Japan in the far east thereby putting the Japenese backs to the
wall and forcing an attack on the US.

We cut off their oil for good reason -- we objected to their genocidal
slaughter of millions of civilians.

Hiroshima
 

David Eduardo wrote:


Were the bombs not dropped, Japan would not have capitulated and the war
would have been prolonged by an obligatory land invasion, where estimates
run as high as a million additional dead.

That's always been the standard assumption, but would a ground invasion
have been needed?

I've always wondered why we couldn't just starve them into submission.
We could have continued the incendiary and saturation bombing of Japan,
continued to bomb their cities, airfields, factories and crops, bombed
any ships trying to bring food into Japan. Japan had very little natural
resources in general and virtually no petroleum in specific. We
CONTROLLED the air and could have starved them into submission without
landing a single ground troop.

It may have taken a few more months than the milliseconds of the bomb,
but do you think it could have worked?

(OT) : Did the US And The English Ever Apologized For . . .
 

mred wrote:

Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did
this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain.


Churchill wrote he prayed the night before for the attack on Pearl
Harbour to succeed because Roosevelt needed something to get public
opinion on his side.

Excuses for war and power grabbing totalitarianism are everywhere. The
Reichstag fire in 1933, the Polish attack on a German radio station in
1939 and more recently, 9-11, are only two examples. Note that these
events don't even have to be genuine, just well presented.






mike

(OT) : Did Japan And The Japanese Ever Apologized For . . .
 

In article .com,
mred wrote:

On Aug 7, 8:52 pm, "Jerry" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message

ps.com...



On Aug 6, 6:41 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Frank Halaburak wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message
...

dxAce wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in
Hiroshima,
Japan.

Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep
knew their
place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they
so
thoroughly
deserved, without endlessly whining about it.

Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of
Hiroshima.

And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your
radio
on.
Radio Japan, 6145, coming in very well here via The 'Stan at 0000
GMT, 6
August
2007.
Initial news seemed to contain hand-wringing, whining, and as usual,
failure to take
responsibility.

And later programming also seems to try to deflect responsibility for
their actions,
and to place blame elsewhere.

All talk now is of PEACE! Where was their PEACE on December 7, 1941?

Typical of the Japs. And then some cockbite American comes on,
talking
about how many
Japanese lives were affected? Give me a break! How many American
lives
were affected
by the slant eyed **** throughout the entire war?

In my 41 or 42 years of SWL'ing, nothing has changed.

More **** from Japan.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

The dropping of the bomb saved millions of American and Jap lives
because it saved Japan from being invaded.Funny, they didn't mention
that.
The Japs started the damn war ! Funny, they didn't mention that
either........

They do seem to avoid certain realities. I was speaking with an
American rep from Fuji film two years ago, who mentioned that that extra
kick of blue in Fuji film, as well as the phosphors on Mitsubishi
television sets is there to keep native Japanese from looking so yellow
on camera.

And apparently they're so dishonored by their defeat that Mitsubishi
do not acknowledge, and have done everything possible to destroy
documentation for, the Zero.

They haven't forgotten the war. In a release meant only to be seen
by the eyes of Japanese captains of industry, the economic minister, in
the 70's, set out a plan whereby Japanese industry would overtake the US
and work to bankrupt, and humble the arrogant Americans in an economic
war that they (meaning we, the US) could not win.

For awhile it seemed that they would succeed. Paybacks, however,
being a bitch, saw otherwise.

That mindset, though, is still in play today, in the form of the
auto war betweenToyotaand General Motors....ironically, a microcosm of
the rivalry between Japan and the US....where if they'd join us as
allies, the potential for mutual benefit is dramatic. The alliance
betweenToyotaand GM in the 80's and 90's produced two ofToyota'smost
successful models. It also produced profits that enabledToyotato come
after GM today. And again, ironically, doing so by playing absent the
rules by which US manufacturers have to play.

You know, we rebuilt them after the war. W. Edwards Deming's (an
American) theories permitted their industry to return to strength in
less than 20 years, our own welcome mat generosity allowed them to
establish a base of operations in this country that has made Japan a
global economic power.

You'd think somewhere there might be a 'thank you.'

But noooOOOOOOoooo.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Lets See . . .

Japan and the Japanese never Apologized
to China for the Rape of Nanking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

Japan and the Japanese never Apologized
to the Korean 'Comfort' Women.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

Japan and the Japanese never Apologized
for the Bataan Death March and the Inhumain
Treatment of Prisoners of War - Slave Labor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March
http://www.rense.com/general8/pows.htm

and the japanese say we caused it all . . .

BULL SH*T ~ RHF

******************************************

And because of that and, of course, Pearl Harbor, I have NEVER owned a
Tore-Up-Yota, Honda, Nissan,
or Mitsubishi. Yes, I know that many parts are bought and used by American
auto makers, but I cannot help that. IMHO, to buy those makes is near
treason so far as I am concerned. Its almost impossible to buy purely
American products, but I try. So I quietly make a statement by driving
GMcars--particularly Chevrolet.

Some of us say, "OH! But Americancarsare no good!"
Horse hockey! I have driven MANY GMcars/trucks with a minimum of trouble
for 40 years, and some of them over 250,000 miles before succumbing to
"trading fever". A buddy of mine has an 86 Silverado with 450,000 miles on
it, replacing ONE engine and ONE tranny in 20 years. Gonna keep it, too!
In
fact, the older I get, the less need I see for buying newercarsand my
latest car is a Chevy S-10 with 161,000 (so it's relatively "new"). And,
like the rest of my Americancars, I have had FEW issues with it. In fact,
the things I have replaced in the last 7 years are normal wear
items--tires,
batteries, belts, an alternator, one ball joint---and the truck is 10 years
old! It has been a solid, reliable, relatively economical vehicle and,
should I replace it, it will be another pickup---probably another, newer
Chevy S-10. Heck if it breaks, I can fix it, and I STILL don't have a car
payment next month!!

So flame and criticize away. I AIN'T fergittin' and I ain't buyin no
Honda!~ :)

J



.
.
. .- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On the other side of the coin I had a GMC pickup that was sucked at
60,000 miles and it was always maintained properly.

The rocker panels rusted out at 45,000miles,even though it was
rustproofed at the dealer ship
Also had a Ford F-150 v-8 and the front end needed a rebuild at 8000
miles and no these vehicles were never worked , strictly recreation
and everyday drivers,so that put me off NA products and I drive
NOTHING but Toyota and Honda now and dont have these early bio-
degradeable problems anymore............just normal wearout and
maintenence

And as far as buying Japanese cars is treason ?If you study the
archives in Washington D.C.you will discover that the US cut off the
oil to Japan in the far east thereby putting the Japenese backs to the
wall and forcing an attack on the US.

Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did
this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain.

Otherwise the US public would NOT have approved of getting into ww11,
but Roosevelt needed something to fire up the populations anger....
thence their approval.
mred

My God what a nut case. Historical revisionism at its finest. Ya just
can't beat Usenet for the entertainment value.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

(OT) : Did the US And The English Ever Apologized For . . .
 

"m II" wrote in message
news:amPui.83138$tB5.13819@edtnps90...
mred wrote:

Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did
this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain.


Churchill wrote he prayed the night before for the attack on Pearl
Harbour to succeed because Roosevelt needed something to get public
opinion on his side.

Excuses for war and power grabbing totalitarianism are everywhere. The
Reichstag fire in 1933, the Polish attack on a German radio station in
1939 and more recently, 9-11, are only two examples. Note that these
events don't even have to be genuine, just well presented.

mike

"only two examples" ?? What do they do for math in AB ? miki.