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Hiroshima
Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan.
Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA |
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dxAce wrote:
Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA Steve, normally I would be amused by this. Lord knows I long for a time when men were men, sheep were nervous, and Oprah wasn't mother to US ALL. But that morning in Hiroshima, we entered an age from which we cannot retreat. The end of innocence. The end of simplicity. The end of nations minding their own damned business. Truth is, if it hadn't been us, it would have been someone else. Delaying our entry into that war, it would have been Germany. Or the Soviets. Or, God help us, Japan. So, it was an era into which we as a species were going to enter, no matter who threw down the gauntlet. And that day were planted the seeds of much of the dissent that threatens civility in our own land. And fertilized them with the loam created by easier living. Lack of natural enemies leads to cannibalism within a culture. There is no doubt that Hiroshima, and the second kiss, Nagasaki, ended a war that would have continued on for years. With millions dead, and, eventually, WWII fought on our own soil. Japan, believing that death was more desireable than defeat, would have fought until there was no one left. On either side. And two of the most astonishingly adaptive and productive cultures would would lie in ruins. And the boom that was to follow that war, the boom in technology, in culture, in manufacturing, in agriculture, in economy, that fed, clothed, rebuilt, restocked, renourished, and labor-saved life in the world would not have come. Life was hard before the war. Not so much, after. To the degree that children then had to worry about invasion, bombing raids, enough food to eat, and separation of family. Children today have to worry about fading batteries in their iPods and why mom won't pay for texting overruns on their cell phones. And which government agency to call to swat her down when she doesn't. In a lot of ways Hiroshima was the entry fee to the New Age. It was a terrible price. It was a no-win decision for Truman, who--give the man his props--had the balls to make the agonizing call between the horrors of those milliseconds of atomic release, and the horrors of the war that would have continued. True to the vision of the founding fathers, the biggest decisions were made by a common man. Whose inate humility should have remained an inspiration to us all. Yes, not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, life was hard, and values were easily grasped, and we shared them across the land. And let's bow our heads, and take a moment for prayer, or silence... but let's observe a moment of humility and homage to the souls that were lost to pave the way to the New Age. David Peter Maus |
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dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. Some people don't get it. This page in Wikipedia states "100,000 innocent civilians killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki Stupid idiots in this country never learn. This makes the Japanese smarter than us because they did learn this lesson. The Japanese fought a brutal war and understand what it would take to beat them. People today think of war as a police action when the purpose of war is to destroy or nearly destroy EVERYTHING in the fighting arena forcing complete capitulation by the enemy. If you don't level the place you get Iraq for example. I hope the American on Wednesday is not an idiot. What's Up Japan North America 0:00 - 1:00 UTC on 6145 1:00 - 2:00 UTC on 17825 17:00 - 18:00 UTC on 9535 Mon.-Fri.14:10-14:30 (repeat) 19:10,23:10,2:10,9:10,10:10 This program features current topics in politics, economics, sport and other fields in Japan and across Asia, giving insight into the world of Japan and Asia now. It will also be presented in 20 languages on Radio Japan Focus at various broadcasting times, dependent on the language service. Aug. 6,Mon. Sketch of Hiroshima in the summer of 2007 Aug. 7,Tue. The war poems of Hirohiko Okano Aug. 8,Wed. An American to spread the message of Hiroshima to the world Aug. 9,Thu. Atomic Bomb Victim Autobiographies Aug.10,Fri. Passing down the story of the Himeyuri Corps -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA Steve, normally I would be amused by this. Lord knows I long for a time when men were men, sheep were nervous, and Oprah wasn't mother to US ALL. But that morning in Hiroshima, we entered an age from which we cannot retreat. The end of innocence. The end of simplicity. The end of nations minding their own damned business. Truth is, if it hadn't been us, it would have been someone else. Delaying our entry into that war, it would have been Germany. Or the Soviets. Or, God help us, Japan. So, it was an era into which we as a species were going to enter, no matter who threw down the gauntlet. Snip You understand that if the Japanese had a nuke they would have dropped it on Pearl Harbor. They would not have needed to send a whole fleet just one carrier, one plane, and one bomb. The Germans would have been sending nukes on those V2 rockets they had at the time instead of conventional warheads. The V2 would not have to be very accurate to cause mass destruction in England. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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On Aug 5, 12:49 pm, dxAce wrote:
Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA Be sure to change your adult diapers and don't put your dentures in backwards when you celebrate the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians (mostly women and children). How American. Did you get your government welfare check aka "social security" for August yet Mr. CONservative small government? Heavy emphasis on the CON as in CON artists. How much have you cost the workers who are forced to support you to date? Have you joined the million dollar club yet? Between your monthly welfare payment and free (to you, not the taxpayers) "medicare" I'm guessing you have. Please tell! |
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Telamon wrote: In article , dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. Some people don't get it. This page in Wikipedia states "100,000 innocent civilians killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki Stupid idiots in this country never learn. This makes the Japanese smarter than us because they did learn this lesson. The Japanese fought a brutal war and understand what it would take to beat them. People today think of war as a police action when the purpose of war is to destroy or nearly destroy EVERYTHING in the fighting arena forcing complete capitulation by the enemy. If you don't level the place you get Iraq for example. I hope the American on Wednesday is not an idiot. What's Up Japan North America 0:00 - 1:00 UTC on 6145 1:00 - 2:00 UTC on 17825 17:00 - 18:00 UTC on 9535 Mon.-Fri.14:10-14:30 (repeat) 19:10,23:10,2:10,9:10,10:10 This program features current topics in politics, economics, sport and other fields in Japan and across Asia, giving insight into the world of Japan and Asia now. It will also be presented in 20 languages on Radio Japan Focus at various broadcasting times, dependent on the language service. Aug. 6,Mon. Sketch of Hiroshima in the summer of 2007 Aug. 7,Tue. The war poems of Hirohiko Okano Aug. 8,Wed. An American to spread the message of Hiroshima to the world Aug. 9,Thu. Atomic Bomb Victim Autobiographies Aug.10,Fri. Passing down the story of the Himeyuri Corps I'm wondering if you might be able to hear 17870 beamed to Hawaii and 17825 to North America (at least according to EiBi) at 2100-2200? Not certain if they'll mention anything, but might be worth a listen. I'll be listening for sure at 0000 to 6145 via The 'Stan. dxAce Michigan USA |
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On Aug 5, 12:31 pm, dxAce wrote:
dxAce wrote: wrote: On Aug 5, 12:49 pm, dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. Be sure to change your adult diapers and don't put your dentures in backwards when you celebrate the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians (mostly women and children). How American. Did you get your government welfare check aka "social security" for August yet Mr. CONservative small government? Actually, I'll get my *July* payment on or about August 22. Oh yes, I'll get my Union pension check on September 1 as well. And, beginning April 1, 2008, I'll get my pension check from the company as well! Heavy emphasis on the CON as in CON artists. How much have you cost the workers who are forced to support you to date? Heck, how much did it cost me, all those years? Have you joined the million dollar club yet? Not quite, but I creep ever closer, day by day. Between your monthly welfare payment and free (to you, not the taxpayers) "medicare" I'm guessing you have. Please tell! Thanks for asking, and please, continue to go to work. dxAce Michigan USA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DX Ace, Live Long and Keep Them Check Coming ! :o) You Earned Them All ~ RHF |
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On Aug 5, 10:49 am, dxAce wrote:
Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA DX Ace, While We In the USA Must Always Remember 9/11 and Pearl Harbor : The Japanese Remember Hiroshima ! Americans Should Remember "Hiroshima" and The Resolve It Takes To Win Wars [.] Let Us Pray for the Souls Of All Those Who Died On Those Days - Amen ~ RHF |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA Yes, another **** UP made by the yanks, always sticking thier noses into other countries business, thats why there is so much terrorism. just keep your big mouths shut!!!!! and TRY and get your own country in order voyager I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html |
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wrote in message ups.com... Be sure to change your adult diapers and don't put your dentures in backwards when you celebrate the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians (mostly women and children). How American. Were the bombs not dropped, Japan would not have capitulated and the war would have been prolonged by an obligatory land invasion, where estimates run as high as a million additional dead. The bombs ended the way and saved lives by a proportion of at least ten to one. |
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"voyager2007" wrote in message ... "dxAce" wrote in message ... Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA Yes, another **** UP made by the yanks, always sticking thier noses into other countries business, thats why there is so much terrorism. just keep your big mouths shut!!!!! and TRY and get your own country in order voyager I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html Although Vietnam wouldn't put up with your **** would they, they sure whipped your ass lol. and they are tiny compared to the so called mighty land of the brave. voyager |
Radio Japan (was) Hiroshima
"dxAce" wrote in message ... dxAce wrote: dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. Radio Japan, 6145, coming in very well here via The 'Stan at 0000 GMT, 6 August 2007. Initial news seemed to contain hand-wringing, whining, and as usual, failure to take responsibility. And later programming also seems to try to deflect responsibility for their actions, and to place blame elsewhere. All talk now is of PEACE! Where was their PEACE on December 7, 1941? Typical of the Japs. And then some cockbite American comes on, talking about how many Japanese lives were affected? Give me a break! How many American lives were affected by the slant eyed **** throughout the entire war? In my 41 or 42 years of SWL'ing, nothing has changed. More **** from Japan. dxAce Michigan USA The dropping of the bomb saved millions of American and Jap lives because it saved Japan from being invaded.Funny, they didn't mention that. The Japs started the damn war ! Funny, they didn't mention that either........ |
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On Aug 5, 11:26 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA Steve, normally I would be amused by this. Lord knows I long for a time when men were men, sheep were nervous, and Oprah wasn't mother to US ALL. But that morning in Hiroshima, we entered an age from which we cannot retreat. The end of innocence. The end of simplicity. The end of nations minding their own damned business. Truth is, if it hadn't been us, it would have been someone else. Delaying our entry into that war, it would have been Germany. Or the Soviets. Or, God help us, Japan. So, it was an era into which we as a species were going to enter, no matter who threw down the gauntlet. And that day were planted the seeds of much of the dissent that threatens civility in our own land. And fertilized them with the loam created by easier living. Lack of natural enemies leads to cannibalism within a culture. There is no doubt that Hiroshima, and the second kiss, Nagasaki, ended a war that would have continued on for years. With millions dead, and, eventually, WWII fought on our own soil. Japan, believing that death was more desireable than defeat, would have fought until there was no one left. On either side. And two of the most astonishingly adaptive and productive cultures would would lie in ruins. And the boom that was to follow that war, the boom in technology, in culture, in manufacturing, in agriculture, in economy, that fed, clothed, rebuilt, restocked, renourished, and labor-saved life in the world would not have come. Life was hard before the war. Not so much, after. To the degree that children then had to worry about invasion, bombing raids, enough food to eat, and separation of family. Children today have to worry about fading batteries in their iPods and why mom won't pay for texting overruns on their cell phones. And which government agency to call to swat her down when she doesn't. In a lot of ways Hiroshima was the entry fee to the New Age. It was a terrible price. It was a no-win decision for Truman, who--give the man his props--had the balls to make the agonizing call between the horrors of those milliseconds of atomic release, and the horrors of the war that would have continued. True to the vision of the founding fathers, the biggest decisions were made by a common man. Whose inate humility should have remained an inspiration to us all. Yes, not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, life was hard, and values were easily grasped, and we shared them across the land. And let's bow our heads, and take a moment for prayer, or silence... but let's observe a moment of humility and homage to the souls that were lost to pave the way to the New Age. David Peter Maus The Koreans have largely forgotten the sacrifices made during their war too. The South is much like us-a materialistic society where kids are mostly concerned about their personal comfort than about any sacrifices made to get them there. The North is too busy trying to survive to worry about the war. The South treats the North as a theme park. Sacrifice isn't real to Southern Koreans. Seoul has been described as an Asian version of LA in 1965. Japan had mostly forgotten too. Until the economy that they'd pushed so hard to beat the US collapsed. Suddenly, the "all middle class society" started seeing economic winners and losers, and the losers living in bullet train stations. When Japan was the TV Manufacturer To The World, they could afford to whine uselessly about the war. Whining about World War 2 was a national pastime in Japan, and still is to an extent. Since the wreckage had mostly been cleared and new buildings built, there weren't reminders everywhere, unlike Germany where you can visit the huge mountains of rubble that were once German cities before the war. Germany also has a few ovens that have been preserved, such as at Dachau. My grandmother, who is now dead, visited Germany around 1992 and by chance learned that Dachau had been partially preserved. She had to bribe a cabbie to take her out there, paying him something like double the official fare. Then she had to talk the caretakers into letting her look around. The Germans are rather embarrassed about their past, unlike the Japanese who have the luxury of denial. The Japanese would rather whine about the war than take responsibility, which is easy when you don't have piles of rubble, indestructible Nazi bunkers, and huge crematoriums staring at you all the time. I doubt that the Japanese had the ability to bring the war to the US in any meaningful way by 1945. There probably would have been planes flown into San Francisco and Sacramento, and more of those "balloon bombs" that landed in the Oregon forest, but America would have gotten off easy, especially compared to Japan. It's possible that the Japanese would have committed self-genocide rather than admit defeat. I once talked to a former colonel in the Army who told me that she'd seen still-classified reports that the Japanese leadership was planning an uber-suicide of the entire population rather than admit defeat at the hands of the Americans. Reportedly, small arms were being distributed, with orders that the people shoot at the Americans until the numbers were no longer in the people's favor, then to turn the guns on themselves. If that sounds a lot like Seung Hui Cho's rampage at Virginia Tech-shoot until you're cornered, then blow your brains out-that's because it does. That just points up how desperate the Japanese were to never surrender, to die en masse first. MacArthur guessed that a million American soldiers would die in the invasion of Japan. The true number would probably be 5 million at least. KIA to that point was only 450,000 in both wars to that point. The question then becomes, what do we do after losing 5 million guys, the entire population of Japan, and gaining the hatred of most of Asia for it? America would have likely been exhausted, and turned inward like we did after World War 1. Communism would have gained control of huge chunks of Europe and Asia, while America eventually stagnated. We would have had to fight the commies eventually, except on their terms, and from a position of weakness. We won the Cold War because we were able to define the war and force the Soviets to go along. The Soviets were so terrified of what we MIGHT do to their effort that they tore their society apart trying to compete. Now imagine that the shoe is on the other foot, and that the Soviets are in the driver's seat, with all of Europe, Asia, and South America behind them, and America is being dragged kicking and screaming into the Workers' Age. We don't want another catastrophic war, so we basically go along and dismantle the Constitution as per Soviet demands. States become Socialist Republics, and the central US government a Soviet puppet. Then, around 2010, the communist order sags too far, and crumples. Only there isn't a George Soros to ride to the rescue and tell the headless beast what to do. So the beast shatters, and an Afghanistan is the result. Eventually, Christian fundamentalists gain control of much of the old United States, and institute various versions of Biblical law, depending on your preacher. By now, buildings are collapsing from 70+ years of neglect and civil war. Cars are unknown- the cracked roads built by FDR are plied by horse drawn wagon. People start living in scrapwood shacks, like in Orwell's London. The world goes back to feudalism and medieval living. The site of my house is a filthy, shallow lake like it was during the Gold Rush. In fact, there is little settlement within 20 miles of the river, because of flooding. Southern California and Nevada becomes Indian land once again, with Paiute burials at the mound in Las Vegas resuming. Basically, the invasion of Japan would have eventually resulted not in a dramatic war to end all wars, but in a slow winking out of the light of civilization over several decades. |
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About five or six something years ago, someone at www.lucianne.com
said the new Japanese school books are teaching that it was America's fault we got into War with Japan in World War Two. There were some American Prisoners of War in Japan who got killed when America Zapped Hiroshima and Nagasaki with Little Boy and Fat Man. One time Hyman Rickover was standing on a dock when a Nuke Submarine was docking.Rickover asked the Submarine Captain where they were going next.The Captain didn't tell Rickover.It wasen't long untill the Captain wound up with a land lubber desk job. cuhulin |
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On Aug 5, 8:51 pm, American Insurgent wrote:
On Aug 5, 11:26 am, D Peter Maus wrote: dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA Steve, normally I would be amused by this. Lord knows I long for a time when men were men, sheep were nervous, and Oprah wasn't mother to US ALL. But that morning in Hiroshima, we entered an age from which we cannot retreat. The end of innocence. The end of simplicity. The end of nations minding their own damned business. Truth is, if it hadn't been us, it would have been someone else. Delaying our entry into that war, it would have been Germany. Or the Soviets. Or, God help us, Japan. So, it was an era into which we as a species were going to enter, no matter who threw down the gauntlet. And that day were planted the seeds of much of the dissent that threatens civility in our own land. And fertilized them with the loam created by easier living. Lack of natural enemies leads to cannibalism within a culture. There is no doubt that Hiroshima, and the second kiss, Nagasaki, ended a war that would have continued on for years. With millions dead, and, eventually, WWII fought on our own soil. Japan, believing that death was more desireable than defeat, would have fought until there was no one left. On either side. And two of the most astonishingly adaptive and productive cultures would would lie in ruins. And the boom that was to follow that war, the boom in technology, in culture, in manufacturing, in agriculture, in economy, that fed, clothed, rebuilt, restocked, renourished, and labor-saved life in the world would not have come. Life was hard before the war. Not so much, after. To the degree that children then had to worry about invasion, bombing raids, enough food to eat, and separation of family. Children today have to worry about fading batteries in their iPods and why mom won't pay for texting overruns on their cell phones. And which government agency to call to swat her down when she doesn't. In a lot of ways Hiroshima was the entry fee to the New Age. It was a terrible price. It was a no-win decision for Truman, who--give the man his props--had the balls to make the agonizing call between the horrors of those milliseconds of atomic release, and the horrors of the war that would have continued. True to the vision of the founding fathers, the biggest decisions were made by a common man. Whose inate humility should have remained an inspiration to us all. Yes, not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, life was hard, and values were easily grasped, and we shared them across the land. And let's bow our heads, and take a moment for prayer, or silence... but let's observe a moment of humility and homage to the souls that were lost to pave the way to the New Age. David Peter Maus The Koreans have largely forgotten the sacrifices made during their war too. The South is much like us-a materialistic society where kids are mostly concerned about their personal comfort than about any sacrifices made to get them there. The North is too busy trying to survive to worry about the war. The South treats the North as a theme park. Sacrifice isn't real to Southern Koreans. Seoul has been described as an Asian version of LA in 1965. Japan had mostly forgotten too. Until the economy that they'd pushed so hard to beat the US collapsed. Suddenly, the "all middle class society" started seeing economic winners and losers, and the losers living in bullet train stations. When Japan was the TV Manufacturer To The World, they could afford to whine uselessly about the war. Whining about World War 2 was a national pastime in Japan, and still is to an extent. Since the wreckage had mostly been cleared and new buildings built, there weren't reminders everywhere, unlike Germany where you can visit the huge mountains of rubble that were once German cities before the war. Germany also has a few ovens that have been preserved, such as at Dachau. My grandmother, who is now dead, visited Germany around 1992 and by chance learned that Dachau had been partially preserved. She had to bribe a cabbie to take her out there, paying him something like double the official fare. Then she had to talk the caretakers into letting her look around. The Germans are rather embarrassed about their past, unlike the Japanese who have the luxury of denial. The Japanese would rather whine about the war than take responsibility, which is easy when you don't have piles of rubble, indestructible Nazi bunkers, and huge crematoriums staring at you all the time. I doubt that the Japanese had the ability to bring the war to the US in any meaningful way by 1945. There probably would have been planes flown into San Francisco and Sacramento, and more of those "balloon bombs" that landed in the Oregon forest, but America would have gotten off easy, especially compared to Japan. It's possible that the Japanese would have committed self-genocide rather than admit defeat. I once talked to a former colonel in the Army who told me that she'd seen still-classified reports that the Japanese leadership was planning an uber-suicide of the entire population rather than admit defeat at the hands of the Americans. Reportedly, small arms were being distributed, with orders that the people shoot at the Americans until the numbers were no longer in the people's favor, then to turn the guns on themselves. If that sounds a lot like Seung Hui Cho's rampage at Virginia Tech-shoot until you're cornered, then blow your brains out-that's because it does. That just points up how desperate the Japanese were to never surrender, to die en masse first. MacArthur guessed that a million American soldiers would die in the invasion of Japan. The true number would probably be 5 million at least. KIA to that point was only 450,000 in both wars to that point. The question then becomes, what do we do after losing 5 million guys, the entire population of Japan, and gaining the hatred of most of Asia for it? America would have likely been exhausted, and turned inward like we did after World War 1. Communism would have gained control of huge chunks of Europe and Asia, while America eventually stagnated. We would have had to fight the commies eventually, except on their terms, and from a position of weakness. We won the Cold War because we were able to define the war and force the Soviets to go along. The Soviets were so terrified of what we MIGHT do to their effort that they tore their society apart trying to compete. Now imagine that the shoe is on the other foot, and that the Soviets are in the driver's seat, with all of Europe, Asia, and South America behind them, and America is being dragged kicking and screaming into the Workers' Age. We don't want another catastrophic war, so we basically go along and dismantle the Constitution as per Soviet demands. States become Socialist Republics, and the central US government a Soviet puppet. Then, around 2010, the communist order sags too far, and crumples. Only there isn't a George Soros to ride to the rescue and tell the headless beast what to do. So the beast shatters, and an Afghanistan is the result. Eventually, Christian fundamentalists gain control of much of the old United States, and institute various versions of Biblical law, depending on your preacher. By now, buildings are collapsing from 70+ years of neglect and civil war. Cars are unknown- the cracked roads built by FDR are plied by horse drawn wagon. People start living in scrapwood shacks, like in Orwell's London. The world goes back to feudalism and medieval living. The site of my house is a filthy, shallow lake like it was during the Gold Rush. In fact, there is little settlement within 20 miles of the river, because of flooding. Southern California and Nevada becomes Indian land once again, with Paiute burials at the mound in Las Vegas resuming. Basically, the invasion of Japan would have eventually resulted not in a dramatic war to end all wars, but in a slow winking out of the light of civilization over several decades.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - AI - Dang Your Alternative Reality World Is SCARY ! ~ RHF |
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"RHF" DX Ace, Live Long and Keep Them Check Coming ! :o) You Earned Them All ~ RHF . . . . Who, that "dead Beat"!!!! Cousin Burr |
Radio Japan (was) Hiroshima
Drake R7, R8, R8A and R8B 200' and 70' wires and Eavesdropper dipole CRI just came on @0800 11620 News headlines are all about other things. Two Cyclones playing around at the top of the China Sea. More rain for Nam and China. China is 75% flooded. Burr |
Radio Japan (was) Hiroshima Crap
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Crap, I had China, not Japan. I don't think Japan is on now, I'll keep looking. Burr |
Hiroshima
On Aug 5, 1:49 pm, dxAce wrote:
Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. dxAce Michigan USA And let us not forget that the Germans and to a lesser extent the Japanese had some semblance of a program to develop nuclear weapons and that until early 1945 we were fighting two wars on separate sides of the world. The Germans wisely gave in after we slowly ground them down. The Japanese unwisely chose to not give in after we also ground them down. We could not be fighting a land war with the Japanese into the late 1940's while also having to contend with the Soviets. I can understand the public sentiment to not want to lose another U.S. soldier after we had lost so many already in two wars we did not start. For several reasons we had to stop the war quickly and not dillydally around with hopes the japanese might someday come to their senses and give in. |
Radio Japan (was) Hiroshima
Frank Halaburak wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... dxAce wrote: dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. Radio Japan, 6145, coming in very well here via The 'Stan at 0000 GMT, 6 August 2007. Initial news seemed to contain hand-wringing, whining, and as usual, failure to take responsibility. And later programming also seems to try to deflect responsibility for their actions, and to place blame elsewhere. All talk now is of PEACE! Where was their PEACE on December 7, 1941? Typical of the Japs. And then some cockbite American comes on, talking about how many Japanese lives were affected? Give me a break! How many American lives were affected by the slant eyed **** throughout the entire war? In my 41 or 42 years of SWL'ing, nothing has changed. More **** from Japan. dxAce Michigan USA The dropping of the bomb saved millions of American and Jap lives because it saved Japan from being invaded.Funny, they didn't mention that. The Japs started the damn war ! Funny, they didn't mention that either........ They do seem to avoid certain realities. I was speaking with an American rep from Fuji film two years ago, who mentioned that that extra kick of blue in Fuji film, as well as the phosphors on Mitsubishi television sets is there to keep native Japanese from looking so yellow on camera. And apparently they're so dishonored by their defeat that Mitsubishi do not acknowledge, and have done everything possible to destroy documentation for, the Zero. They haven't forgotten the war. In a release meant only to be seen by the eyes of Japanese captains of industry, the economic minister, in the 70's, set out a plan whereby Japanese industry would overtake the US and work to bankrupt, and humble the arrogant Americans in an economic war that they (meaning we, the US) could not win. For awhile it seemed that they would succeed. Paybacks, however, being a bitch, saw otherwise. That mindset, though, is still in play today, in the form of the auto war between Toyota and General Motors....ironically, a microcosm of the rivalry between Japan and the US....where if they'd join us as allies, the potential for mutual benefit is dramatic. The alliance between Toyota and GM in the 80's and 90's produced two of Toyota's most successful models. It also produced profits that enabled Toyota to come after GM today. And again, ironically, doing so by playing absent the rules by which US manufacturers have to play. You know, we rebuilt them after the war. W. Edwards Deming's (an American) theories permitted their industry to return to strength in less than 20 years, our own welcome mat generosity allowed them to establish a base of operations in this country that has made Japan a global economic power. You'd think somewhere there might be a 'thank you.' But noooOOOOOOoooo. |
Radio Japan (was) Hiroshima
Right after World War Two ended, America did help Japan (Europe too)
rebuild, new factories and other things.America sent machinery to Germany and other Countries in Europe (Japan too, I have an old Popular Mechanics or Popular Science magazine here which has an article several pages long about that machinery) which was used for grinding up that old rubble and mixing it in with new concrete. About four years ago, Nissan built a new factory between Jackson and Canton, Mississippi at the I-55 Gluckstadt Exit, about fifteen or twenty miles North of doggy's couch.Nissan, Japan wanted to fly their rice flag over that factory, to be Sure!,,, that rice flag got Voted down! by us Mississippians!) Right now, Toyota is building a new factory near Tupelo, Elvis the Pelvis's old home town. www.devilfinder.com Toyota Mississippi devilfinder.com Nissan Mississippi Here is a good one. www.devilfinder.com MRAP Mississippi (Look for the U.S.Marines link) cuhulin |
(OT) : Did Japan And The Japanese Ever Apologized For . . .
"RHF" wrote in message ps.com... On Aug 6, 6:41 am, D Peter Maus wrote: Frank Halaburak wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... dxAce wrote: dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. Radio Japan, 6145, coming in very well here via The 'Stan at 0000 GMT, 6 August 2007. Initial news seemed to contain hand-wringing, whining, and as usual, failure to take responsibility. And later programming also seems to try to deflect responsibility for their actions, and to place blame elsewhere. All talk now is of PEACE! Where was their PEACE on December 7, 1941? Typical of the Japs. And then some cockbite American comes on, talking about how many Japanese lives were affected? Give me a break! How many American lives were affected by the slant eyed **** throughout the entire war? In my 41 or 42 years of SWL'ing, nothing has changed. More **** from Japan. dxAce Michigan USA The dropping of the bomb saved millions of American and Jap lives because it saved Japan from being invaded.Funny, they didn't mention that. The Japs started the damn war ! Funny, they didn't mention that either........ They do seem to avoid certain realities. I was speaking with an American rep from Fuji film two years ago, who mentioned that that extra kick of blue in Fuji film, as well as the phosphors on Mitsubishi television sets is there to keep native Japanese from looking so yellow on camera. And apparently they're so dishonored by their defeat that Mitsubishi do not acknowledge, and have done everything possible to destroy documentation for, the Zero. They haven't forgotten the war. In a release meant only to be seen by the eyes of Japanese captains of industry, the economic minister, in the 70's, set out a plan whereby Japanese industry would overtake the US and work to bankrupt, and humble the arrogant Americans in an economic war that they (meaning we, the US) could not win. For awhile it seemed that they would succeed. Paybacks, however, being a bitch, saw otherwise. That mindset, though, is still in play today, in the form of the auto war between Toyota and General Motors....ironically, a microcosm of the rivalry between Japan and the US....where if they'd join us as allies, the potential for mutual benefit is dramatic. The alliance between Toyota and GM in the 80's and 90's produced two of Toyota's most successful models. It also produced profits that enabled Toyota to come after GM today. And again, ironically, doing so by playing absent the rules by which US manufacturers have to play. You know, we rebuilt them after the war. W. Edwards Deming's (an American) theories permitted their industry to return to strength in less than 20 years, our own welcome mat generosity allowed them to establish a base of operations in this country that has made Japan a global economic power. You'd think somewhere there might be a 'thank you.' But noooOOOOOOoooo.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Lets See . . . Japan and the Japanese never Apologized to China for the Rape of Nanking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre Japan and the Japanese never Apologized to the Korean 'Comfort' Women. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women Japan and the Japanese never Apologized for the Bataan Death March and the Inhumain Treatment of Prisoners of War - Slave Labor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March http://www.rense.com/general8/pows.htm and the japanese say we caused it all . . . BULL SH*T ~ RHF ****************************************** And because of that and, of course, Pearl Harbor, I have NEVER owned a Tore-Up-Yota, Honda, Nissan, or Mitsubishi. Yes, I know that many parts are bought and used by American auto makers, but I cannot help that. IMHO, to buy those makes is near treason so far as I am concerned. Its almost impossible to buy purely American products, but I try. So I quietly make a statement by driving GM cars--particularly Chevrolet. Some of us say, "OH! But American cars are no good!" Horse hockey! I have driven MANY GM cars/trucks with a minimum of trouble for 40 years, and some of them over 250,000 miles before succumbing to "trading fever". A buddy of mine has an 86 Silverado with 450,000 miles on it, replacing ONE engine and ONE tranny in 20 years. Gonna keep it, too! In fact, the older I get, the less need I see for buying newer cars and my latest car is a Chevy S-10 with 161,000 (so it's relatively "new"). And, like the rest of my American cars, I have had FEW issues with it. In fact, the things I have replaced in the last 7 years are normal wear items--tires, batteries, belts, an alternator, one ball joint---and the truck is 10 years old! It has been a solid, reliable, relatively economical vehicle and, should I replace it, it will be another pickup---probably another, newer Chevy S-10. Heck if it breaks, I can fix it, and I STILL don't have a car payment next month!! So flame and criticize away. I AIN'T fergittin' and I ain't buyin no Honda!~ :) J . . . . |
(OT) : Did Japan And The Japanese Ever Apologized For . . .
On Aug 7, 8:52 pm, "Jerry" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message ps.com... On Aug 6, 6:41 am, D Peter Maus wrote: Frank Halaburak wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... dxAce wrote: dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. Radio Japan, 6145, coming in very well here via The 'Stan at 0000 GMT, 6 August 2007. Initial news seemed to contain hand-wringing, whining, and as usual, failure to take responsibility. And later programming also seems to try to deflect responsibility for their actions, and to place blame elsewhere. All talk now is of PEACE! Where was their PEACE on December 7, 1941? Typical of the Japs. And then some cockbite American comes on, talking about how many Japanese lives were affected? Give me a break! How many American lives were affected by the slant eyed **** throughout the entire war? In my 41 or 42 years of SWL'ing, nothing has changed. More **** from Japan. dxAce Michigan USA The dropping of the bomb saved millions of American and Jap lives because it saved Japan from being invaded.Funny, they didn't mention that. The Japs started the damn war ! Funny, they didn't mention that either........ They do seem to avoid certain realities. I was speaking with an American rep from Fuji film two years ago, who mentioned that that extra kick of blue in Fuji film, as well as the phosphors on Mitsubishi television sets is there to keep native Japanese from looking so yellow on camera. And apparently they're so dishonored by their defeat that Mitsubishi do not acknowledge, and have done everything possible to destroy documentation for, the Zero. They haven't forgotten the war. In a release meant only to be seen by the eyes of Japanese captains of industry, the economic minister, in the 70's, set out a plan whereby Japanese industry would overtake the US and work to bankrupt, and humble the arrogant Americans in an economic war that they (meaning we, the US) could not win. For awhile it seemed that they would succeed. Paybacks, however, being a bitch, saw otherwise. That mindset, though, is still in play today, in the form of the auto war betweenToyotaand General Motors....ironically, a microcosm of the rivalry between Japan and the US....where if they'd join us as allies, the potential for mutual benefit is dramatic. The alliance betweenToyotaand GM in the 80's and 90's produced two ofToyota'smost successful models. It also produced profits that enabledToyotato come after GM today. And again, ironically, doing so by playing absent the rules by which US manufacturers have to play. You know, we rebuilt them after the war. W. Edwards Deming's (an American) theories permitted their industry to return to strength in less than 20 years, our own welcome mat generosity allowed them to establish a base of operations in this country that has made Japan a global economic power. You'd think somewhere there might be a 'thank you.' But noooOOOOOOoooo.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Lets See . . . Japan and the Japanese never Apologized to China for the Rape of Nanking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre Japan and the Japanese never Apologized to the Korean 'Comfort' Women. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women Japan and the Japanese never Apologized for the Bataan Death March and the Inhumain Treatment of Prisoners of War - Slave Labor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March http://www.rense.com/general8/pows.htm and the japanese say we caused it all . . . BULL SH*T ~ RHF ****************************************** And because of that and, of course, Pearl Harbor, I have NEVER owned a Tore-Up-Yota, Honda, Nissan, or Mitsubishi. Yes, I know that many parts are bought and used by American auto makers, but I cannot help that. IMHO, to buy those makes is near treason so far as I am concerned. Its almost impossible to buy purely American products, but I try. So I quietly make a statement by driving GMcars--particularly Chevrolet. Some of us say, "OH! But Americancarsare no good!" Horse hockey! I have driven MANY GMcars/trucks with a minimum of trouble for 40 years, and some of them over 250,000 miles before succumbing to "trading fever". A buddy of mine has an 86 Silverado with 450,000 miles on it, replacing ONE engine and ONE tranny in 20 years. Gonna keep it, too! In fact, the older I get, the less need I see for buying newercarsand my latest car is a Chevy S-10 with 161,000 (so it's relatively "new"). And, like the rest of my Americancars, I have had FEW issues with it. In fact, the things I have replaced in the last 7 years are normal wear items--tires, batteries, belts, an alternator, one ball joint---and the truck is 10 years old! It has been a solid, reliable, relatively economical vehicle and, should I replace it, it will be another pickup---probably another, newer Chevy S-10. Heck if it breaks, I can fix it, and I STILL don't have a car payment next month!! So flame and criticize away. I AIN'T fergittin' and I ain't buyin no Honda!~ :) J . . . .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - On the other side of the coin I had a GMC pickup that was sucked at 60,000 miles and it was always maintained properly. The rocker panels rusted out at 45,000miles,even though it was rustproofed at the dealer ship Also had a Ford F-150 v-8 and the front end needed a rebuild at 8000 miles and no these vehicles were never worked , strictly recreation and everyday drivers,so that put me off NA products and I drive NOTHING but Toyota and Honda now and dont have these early bio- degradeable problems anymore............just normal wearout and maintenence And as far as buying Japanese cars is treason ?If you study the archives in Washington D.C.you will discover that the US cut off the oil to Japan in the far east thereby putting the Japenese backs to the wall and forcing an attack on the US. Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain. Otherwise the US public would NOT have approved of getting into ww11, but Roosevelt needed something to fire up the populations anger.... thence their approval. mred |
(OT) : Did Japan And The Japanese Ever Apologized For . . .
On Aug 9, 7:59 am, mred wrote:
And as far as buying Japanese cars is treason ?If you study the archives in Washington D.C.you will discover that the US cut off the oil to Japan in the far east thereby putting the Japenese backs to the wall and forcing an attack on the US. We cut off their oil for good reason -- we objected to their genocidal slaughter of millions of civilians. |
Hiroshima
David Eduardo wrote:
Were the bombs not dropped, Japan would not have capitulated and the war would have been prolonged by an obligatory land invasion, where estimates run as high as a million additional dead. That's always been the standard assumption, but would a ground invasion have been needed? I've always wondered why we couldn't just starve them into submission. We could have continued the incendiary and saturation bombing of Japan, continued to bomb their cities, airfields, factories and crops, bombed any ships trying to bring food into Japan. Japan had very little natural resources in general and virtually no petroleum in specific. We CONTROLLED the air and could have starved them into submission without landing a single ground troop. It may have taken a few more months than the milliseconds of the bomb, but do you think it could have worked? |
(OT) : Did the US And The English Ever Apologized For . . .
mred wrote:
Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain. Churchill wrote he prayed the night before for the attack on Pearl Harbour to succeed because Roosevelt needed something to get public opinion on his side. Excuses for war and power grabbing totalitarianism are everywhere. The Reichstag fire in 1933, the Polish attack on a German radio station in 1939 and more recently, 9-11, are only two examples. Note that these events don't even have to be genuine, just well presented. mike |
(OT) : Did Japan And The Japanese Ever Apologized For . . .
In article .com,
mred wrote: On Aug 7, 8:52 pm, "Jerry" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message ps.com... On Aug 6, 6:41 am, D Peter Maus wrote: Frank Halaburak wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... dxAce wrote: dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. Radio Japan, 6145, coming in very well here via The 'Stan at 0000 GMT, 6 August 2007. Initial news seemed to contain hand-wringing, whining, and as usual, failure to take responsibility. And later programming also seems to try to deflect responsibility for their actions, and to place blame elsewhere. All talk now is of PEACE! Where was their PEACE on December 7, 1941? Typical of the Japs. And then some cockbite American comes on, talking about how many Japanese lives were affected? Give me a break! How many American lives were affected by the slant eyed **** throughout the entire war? In my 41 or 42 years of SWL'ing, nothing has changed. More **** from Japan. dxAce Michigan USA The dropping of the bomb saved millions of American and Jap lives because it saved Japan from being invaded.Funny, they didn't mention that. The Japs started the damn war ! Funny, they didn't mention that either........ They do seem to avoid certain realities. I was speaking with an American rep from Fuji film two years ago, who mentioned that that extra kick of blue in Fuji film, as well as the phosphors on Mitsubishi television sets is there to keep native Japanese from looking so yellow on camera. And apparently they're so dishonored by their defeat that Mitsubishi do not acknowledge, and have done everything possible to destroy documentation for, the Zero. They haven't forgotten the war. In a release meant only to be seen by the eyes of Japanese captains of industry, the economic minister, in the 70's, set out a plan whereby Japanese industry would overtake the US and work to bankrupt, and humble the arrogant Americans in an economic war that they (meaning we, the US) could not win. For awhile it seemed that they would succeed. Paybacks, however, being a bitch, saw otherwise. That mindset, though, is still in play today, in the form of the auto war betweenToyotaand General Motors....ironically, a microcosm of the rivalry between Japan and the US....where if they'd join us as allies, the potential for mutual benefit is dramatic. The alliance betweenToyotaand GM in the 80's and 90's produced two ofToyota'smost successful models. It also produced profits that enabledToyotato come after GM today. And again, ironically, doing so by playing absent the rules by which US manufacturers have to play. You know, we rebuilt them after the war. W. Edwards Deming's (an American) theories permitted their industry to return to strength in less than 20 years, our own welcome mat generosity allowed them to establish a base of operations in this country that has made Japan a global economic power. You'd think somewhere there might be a 'thank you.' But noooOOOOOOoooo.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Lets See . . . Japan and the Japanese never Apologized to China for the Rape of Nanking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre Japan and the Japanese never Apologized to the Korean 'Comfort' Women. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women Japan and the Japanese never Apologized for the Bataan Death March and the Inhumain Treatment of Prisoners of War - Slave Labor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March http://www.rense.com/general8/pows.htm and the japanese say we caused it all . . . BULL SH*T ~ RHF ****************************************** And because of that and, of course, Pearl Harbor, I have NEVER owned a Tore-Up-Yota, Honda, Nissan, or Mitsubishi. Yes, I know that many parts are bought and used by American auto makers, but I cannot help that. IMHO, to buy those makes is near treason so far as I am concerned. Its almost impossible to buy purely American products, but I try. So I quietly make a statement by driving GMcars--particularly Chevrolet. Some of us say, "OH! But Americancarsare no good!" Horse hockey! I have driven MANY GMcars/trucks with a minimum of trouble for 40 years, and some of them over 250,000 miles before succumbing to "trading fever". A buddy of mine has an 86 Silverado with 450,000 miles on it, replacing ONE engine and ONE tranny in 20 years. Gonna keep it, too! In fact, the older I get, the less need I see for buying newercarsand my latest car is a Chevy S-10 with 161,000 (so it's relatively "new"). And, like the rest of my Americancars, I have had FEW issues with it. In fact, the things I have replaced in the last 7 years are normal wear items--tires, batteries, belts, an alternator, one ball joint---and the truck is 10 years old! It has been a solid, reliable, relatively economical vehicle and, should I replace it, it will be another pickup---probably another, newer Chevy S-10. Heck if it breaks, I can fix it, and I STILL don't have a car payment next month!! So flame and criticize away. I AIN'T fergittin' and I ain't buyin no Honda!~ :) J . . . .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - On the other side of the coin I had a GMC pickup that was sucked at 60,000 miles and it was always maintained properly. The rocker panels rusted out at 45,000miles,even though it was rustproofed at the dealer ship Also had a Ford F-150 v-8 and the front end needed a rebuild at 8000 miles and no these vehicles were never worked , strictly recreation and everyday drivers,so that put me off NA products and I drive NOTHING but Toyota and Honda now and dont have these early bio- degradeable problems anymore............just normal wearout and maintenence And as far as buying Japanese cars is treason ?If you study the archives in Washington D.C.you will discover that the US cut off the oil to Japan in the far east thereby putting the Japenese backs to the wall and forcing an attack on the US. Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain. Otherwise the US public would NOT have approved of getting into ww11, but Roosevelt needed something to fire up the populations anger.... thence their approval. mred My God what a nut case. Historical revisionism at its finest. Ya just can't beat Usenet for the entertainment value. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
(OT) : Did the US And The English Ever Apologized For . . .
"m II" wrote in message news:amPui.83138$tB5.13819@edtnps90... mred wrote: Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain. Churchill wrote he prayed the night before for the attack on Pearl Harbour to succeed because Roosevelt needed something to get public opinion on his side. Excuses for war and power grabbing totalitarianism are everywhere. The Reichstag fire in 1933, the Polish attack on a German radio station in 1939 and more recently, 9-11, are only two examples. Note that these events don't even have to be genuine, just well presented. mike "only two examples" ?? What do they do for math in AB ? miki. |
(OT) : Did the US And The English Ever Apologized For . . .
k35454 wrote:
"m II" wrote in message news:amPui.83138$tB5.13819@edtnps90... mred wrote: Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain. Churchill wrote he prayed the night before for the attack on Pearl Harbour to succeed because Roosevelt needed something to get public opinion on his side. Excuses for war and power grabbing totalitarianism are everywhere. The Reichstag fire in 1933, the Polish attack on a German radio station in 1939 and more recently, 9-11, are only two examples. Note that these events don't even have to be genuine, just well presented. mike "only two examples" ?? What do they do for math in AB ? miki. There are three kinds of people..those that are good with numbers and those that aren't... mike |
(OT) : Did Japan And The Japanese Ever Apologized For . . .
Telamon wrote:
In article .com, mred wrote: On Aug 7, 8:52 pm, "Jerry" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message ps.com... On Aug 6, 6:41 am, D Peter Maus wrote: Frank Halaburak wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... dxAce wrote: dxAce wrote: Not long from now, it will be Monday morning, August 6 in Hiroshima, Japan. Let's pause, and remember the time when men were men, and the sheep knew their place. A time when we actually gave our enemies the thumping they so thoroughly deserved, without endlessly whining about it. Yes, it will soon be the 62nd Anniversary of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima. And, I'm certain it will be mentioned on shortwave, so keep your radio on. Radio Japan, 6145, coming in very well here via The 'Stan at 0000 GMT, 6 August 2007. Initial news seemed to contain hand-wringing, whining, and as usual, failure to take responsibility. And later programming also seems to try to deflect responsibility for their actions, and to place blame elsewhere. All talk now is of PEACE! Where was their PEACE on December 7, 1941? Typical of the Japs. And then some cockbite American comes on, talking about how many Japanese lives were affected? Give me a break! How many American lives were affected by the slant eyed **** throughout the entire war? In my 41 or 42 years of SWL'ing, nothing has changed. More **** from Japan. dxAce Michigan USA The dropping of the bomb saved millions of American and Jap lives because it saved Japan from being invaded.Funny, they didn't mention that. The Japs started the damn war ! Funny, they didn't mention that either........ They do seem to avoid certain realities. I was speaking with an American rep from Fuji film two years ago, who mentioned that that extra kick of blue in Fuji film, as well as the phosphors on Mitsubishi television sets is there to keep native Japanese from looking so yellow on camera. And apparently they're so dishonored by their defeat that Mitsubishi do not acknowledge, and have done everything possible to destroy documentation for, the Zero. They haven't forgotten the war. In a release meant only to be seen by the eyes of Japanese captains of industry, the economic minister, in the 70's, set out a plan whereby Japanese industry would overtake the US and work to bankrupt, and humble the arrogant Americans in an economic war that they (meaning we, the US) could not win. For awhile it seemed that they would succeed. Paybacks, however, being a bitch, saw otherwise. That mindset, though, is still in play today, in the form of the auto war betweenToyotaand General Motors....ironically, a microcosm of the rivalry between Japan and the US....where if they'd join us as allies, the potential for mutual benefit is dramatic. The alliance betweenToyotaand GM in the 80's and 90's produced two ofToyota'smost successful models. It also produced profits that enabledToyotato come after GM today. And again, ironically, doing so by playing absent the rules by which US manufacturers have to play. You know, we rebuilt them after the war. W. Edwards Deming's (an American) theories permitted their industry to return to strength in less than 20 years, our own welcome mat generosity allowed them to establish a base of operations in this country that has made Japan a global economic power. You'd think somewhere there might be a 'thank you.' But noooOOOOOOoooo.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Lets See . . . Japan and the Japanese never Apologized to China for the Rape of Nanking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre Japan and the Japanese never Apologized to the Korean 'Comfort' Women. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women Japan and the Japanese never Apologized for the Bataan Death March and the Inhumain Treatment of Prisoners of War - Slave Labor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March http://www.rense.com/general8/pows.htm and the japanese say we caused it all . . . BULL SH*T ~ RHF ****************************************** And because of that and, of course, Pearl Harbor, I have NEVER owned a Tore-Up-Yota, Honda, Nissan, or Mitsubishi. Yes, I know that many parts are bought and used by American auto makers, but I cannot help that. IMHO, to buy those makes is near treason so far as I am concerned. Its almost impossible to buy purely American products, but I try. So I quietly make a statement by driving GMcars--particularly Chevrolet. Some of us say, "OH! But Americancarsare no good!" Horse hockey! I have driven MANY GMcars/trucks with a minimum of trouble for 40 years, and some of them over 250,000 miles before succumbing to "trading fever". A buddy of mine has an 86 Silverado with 450,000 miles on it, replacing ONE engine and ONE tranny in 20 years. Gonna keep it, too! In fact, the older I get, the less need I see for buying newercarsand my latest car is a Chevy S-10 with 161,000 (so it's relatively "new"). And, like the rest of my Americancars, I have had FEW issues with it. In fact, the things I have replaced in the last 7 years are normal wear items--tires, batteries, belts, an alternator, one ball joint---and the truck is 10 years old! It has been a solid, reliable, relatively economical vehicle and, should I replace it, it will be another pickup---probably another, newer Chevy S-10. Heck if it breaks, I can fix it, and I STILL don't have a car payment next month!! So flame and criticize away. I AIN'T fergittin' and I ain't buyin no Honda!~ :) J . . . .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - On the other side of the coin I had a GMC pickup that was sucked at 60,000 miles and it was always maintained properly. The rocker panels rusted out at 45,000miles,even though it was rustproofed at the dealer ship Also had a Ford F-150 v-8 and the front end needed a rebuild at 8000 miles and no these vehicles were never worked , strictly recreation and everyday drivers,so that put me off NA products and I drive NOTHING but Toyota and Honda now and dont have these early bio- degradeable problems anymore............just normal wearout and maintenence And as far as buying Japanese cars is treason ?If you study the archives in Washington D.C.you will discover that the US cut off the oil to Japan in the far east thereby putting the Japenese backs to the wall and forcing an attack on the US. Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain. Otherwise the US public would NOT have approved of getting into ww11, but Roosevelt needed something to fire up the populations anger.... thence their approval. mred My God what a nut case. Historical revisionism at its finest. Ya just can't beat Usenet for the entertainment value. The preparations for war were made far in advance of Pearl Harbour. The US needed the attack in order to make an excuse for war. ================================================== == And, in early 1941, under instructions from FDR, a plan was designed for initiating an aggressive war involving the firebombing of Japanese cities in 1942. In the fall of 1941, the Japanese tried to offer a variety of peace plans to the U.S. to forestall war, but the president refused to consider any of them, including an offer by the Japanese Prime Minister to meet FDR, anywhere the president chose, to find a way to prevent war. Fact: On January 27, 1941, the American ambassador to Japan warned Washington that the Japanese were planning an attack on Pearl Harbor, if negotiations broke down. Later in 1941, a Korean lobbyist, considered a reliable source of information, twice warned that an attack on Pearl Harbor was being planned during November and the first week of December 1941, including December 6, the American code-breakers had intercepted Japanese messages that clearly pointed to an imminent attack on the Hawaiian Islands. These intercepted messages were seen by FDR and other cabinet members. http://www.fff.org/freedom/0792d.asp ============================================ |
(OT) : Did the US And The English Ever Apologized For . . .
"m II" wrote in message news:OSbvi.101256$xk5.56283@edtnps82... k35454 wrote: "m II" wrote in message news:amPui.83138$tB5.13819@edtnps90... mred wrote: Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain. Churchill wrote he prayed the night before for the attack on Pearl Harbour to succeed because Roosevelt needed something to get public opinion on his side. Excuses for war and power grabbing totalitarianism are everywhere. The Reichstag fire in 1933, the Polish attack on a German radio station in 1939 and more recently, 9-11, are only two examples. Note that these events don't even have to be genuine, just well presented. mike "only two examples" ?? What do they do for math in AB ? miki. There are three kinds of people..those that are good with numbers and those that aren't... There are 10 kinds of people: Those who understand base two, and those who don't. |
(OT) : Did the US And The English Ever Apologized For . . .
On Aug 10, 10:50 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"m II" wrote in message news:OSbvi.101256$xk5.56283@edtnps82... k35454 wrote: "m II" wrote in message news:amPui.83138$tB5.13819@edtnps90... mred wrote: Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain. Churchill wrote he prayed the night before for the attack on Pearl Harbour to succeed because Roosevelt needed something to get public opinion on his side. Excuses for war and power grabbing totalitarianism are everywhere. The Reichstag fire in 1933, the Polish attack on a German radio station in 1939 and more recently, 9-11, are only two examples. Note that these events don't even have to be genuine, just well presented. mike "only two examples" ?? What do they do for math in AB ? miki. There are three kinds of people..those that are good with numbers and those that aren't... There are 10 kinds of people: Those who understand base two, and those who don't.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - NUMB3RS - I am One with One and One is Good Enough for Me ~ RHF |
(OT) : Did Mike (M II) Ever Apologized For . . .
On Aug 9, 6:40 pm, m II wrote:
mred wrote: Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain. - Churchill wrote he prayed the night before for the attack - on Pearl Harbour to succeed because Roosevelt needed - something to get public opinion on his side. Mike (M II), Is this what they taught you in School in Canada ? Or did you make-it-up all on your own . . . apparently your hate for america has clouded your mind ~ RHF Excuses for war and power grabbing totalitarianism are everywhere. The Reichstag fire in 1933, the Polish attack on a German radio station in 1939 and more recently, 9-11, are only two examples. Note that these events don't even have to be genuine, just well presented. mike |
(OT) : Did the US And The English Ever Apologized For . . .
"m II" wrote in message news:OSbvi.101256$xk5.56283@edtnps82... k35454 wrote: "m II" wrote in message news:amPui.83138$tB5.13819@edtnps90... mred wrote: Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain. Churchill wrote he prayed the night before for the attack on Pearl Harbour to succeed because Roosevelt needed something to get public opinion on his side. Excuses for war and power grabbing totalitarianism are everywhere. The Reichstag fire in 1933, the Polish attack on a German radio station in 1939 and more recently, 9-11, are only two examples. Note that these events don't even have to be genuine, just well presented. mike "only two examples" ?? What do they do for math in AB ? miki. There are three kinds of people..those that are good with numbers and those that aren't... mike mike, you are too modest. I knew all along that it was a set-uip to see if any of us wrere really paying attention. miki. |
(OT) : Did Rat H. Fink Ever Apologize For . . .
RHF wrote:
apparently your hate for america has clouded your mind ~ RHF No hate..just sadness. It's depressing when a potentially great experiment goes bad. It won't be the first country on earth to be driven to evil by greed, however. mike |
(OT) : Did Rat H. Fink Ever Apologize For . . .
m II wrote: RHF wrote: apparently your hate for america has clouded your mind ~ RHF No hate..just sadness. It's depressing when a potentially great experiment goes bad. Like CanaDuh. It won't be the first country on earth to be driven to evil by greed, however. Wasn't CanaDuh the first? |
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"RHF" http://www.amazon.com/Making-Atomic-...dp/0684813785- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ? ? ? Missing Messages in the Thread ? ? ? [ Using Google Newsgroups Online ] On Google this Thread "Hiroshima" is listed with 3 new posts with a Total of 44 Posts. When I click-on it I only see 4 Post dated back on Aug 5. Is Anyone Else Seeing This Too ? This is an example and I am seeing this for many Message Threads for the last Day or two. What Gives ? i want to know ~ RHF . . . . My "mark read" thingy keeps re-setting!! I end up trying to read the same thing twice. This is happening on "ALL" news groups. Is it my computer??? Burr |
(OT) : Did Mike (M II) Ever Apologized For . . .
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 23:25:15 -0700, RHF
wrote: On Aug 9, 6:40 pm, m II wrote: mred wrote: Ther are many hypothesis about Roosevelts actions and some say he did this to get the US into the war to help out Great? Britain. - Churchill wrote he prayed the night before for the attack - on Pearl Harbour to succeed because Roosevelt needed - something to get public opinion on his side. Mike (M II), Is this what they taught you in School in Canada ? Or did you make-it-up all on your own . . . apparently your hate for america has clouded your mind ~ RHF Excuses for war and power grabbing totalitarianism are everywhere. The Reichstag fire in 1933, the Polish attack on a German radio station in 1939 and more recently, 9-11, are only two examples. Note that these events don't even have to be genuine, just well presented. mike Gulf of Tonkin. Battleship Maine. |
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