On Sep 2, 11:11 am, Bart Bailey wrote:
In t posted
on Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:20:06 GMT, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

As I have said before, I really wonder about the fact that nearly no poster
has reflected on the DX opportunities of HD signals...

The "opportunity" to lose the two adjacent slots of any HD blasters for
potential reception of DX signals, is like putting outriggers on either
side of your vehicle to stabilize the load, and the subsequent effect on
traffic carrying capacity of any roadway.
I don't understand why KNX 1070 and KOGO 600 feel a need to go HD when
they're both AM Talkers. Maybe it's so psychological voice stress
analyzers can better detect the constant stream of lies from the right
wing hosts?

--

Bart

BB,

CAUSE - They Know that they will be required to use
a Second HD Audio Channel for Liberal Talk Radio;
as WoMandated by President Hillary {Radio} Clinton
and the Democrat Majority in the Senate and House.

Except in California where all AM/MW Talk Radio
Stations will be required to have a Second HD Audio
Channel broadcasting in Espanol.

it's a future fact jack ~ RHF

On Sep 2, 2:35 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

You have no credibility in the news group. A well known Troll is all
that you are. Your own posts O' crap have marginalized you and since you
have proven you are full of BS beyond a reasonable doubt, nobody cares
what you post.

Credibility is determined by stating the facts, whether these be popular or
not.

Snip

You skipped a few steps.

1. First you have to have a grip on reality in order to ascertain the
facts. You desperately need to get a grip.

2. Then you determine what is relevant. You don't seem to have that
ability.

3. Then if you are going to communicate your thinking on the subject you
have to consider your audience. You either can't or won't do this either.

You are a waste of time to read in this news group.


- Based on your posting behavior I'm sure
- knowing you would not be a pleasure.
-
- --
- Telamon
- Ventura, California

Telamon,

Are 'we' Looking into a Mirror
and Talking to 'ourselves' Again ?

now be nice to everyone and
go an enjoy your radios ~ RHF

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
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In posted on Sun, 2
Sep 2007 17:26:54 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

To someone like you, who buys a $5 k receiver and says "KOGO has a
listenable signal in Ventura County" without realizing how listeners, not
DXers, listen, I am sure that is a fact.

How do listeners of an AM talker listen,

To start, extensive studies of where ratings listening takes place show that
very little listening to AM stations in metro areas takes placce outside of
the 10 mv/m contour. This type of analysis is possible because every ratings
participant fills in "where" listening takes place for every incident of
listening. Such data is available by ZIP code for at home and at work
listening in every ratings diary and can be plotted against coverage
contours quite easily.

In some metros, like LA, there is essentially no listening in the metro
outside of the 15 miv/m contours of the local stations. because such a "big"
signal is needed to overcome man-made interference.

patiently awaiting the next barrage of commercial 'messages' so their HD
will render full fidelity, or more likely trying to ignore commercials,
fidelity or not?

Actually, nearly all audience for AMs is concentrated in talk formats that
are all news, nwes/talk or sports. There is very little listening to
anything else. And in the areas wehre the new electronic Portable People
Meter is in yuse shows listeners are less likely to tune out an AM over
commercials than over a boring subject or a bad phone call, just as a bad
song will do it much faster on FM that a commercial break.

...and I certainly didn't drop 5 kilobucks on any single receiver

I believe I was addressing Mr. Telamon, who mentions incessantly having a
TenTec 340, which is around that price.

"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
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In posted on Sun, 2
Sep 2007 22:53:24 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

Actually, nearly all audience for AMs is concentrated in talk formats that
are all news, nwes/talk or sports. There is very little listening to
anything else.

Then what's the 'need' for HD enhancements?

People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio.

Whether this is due to current receivers or to NRSC is a moot point... they
will not listne.

When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the same
programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has been
demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the salable
35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.

Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
actually sound that much better?

I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in my
car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
sounding voice.

David Eduardo wrote:
"Bart Bailey" wrote in message
...
In posted on Sun, 2
Sep 2007 22:53:24 -0700, David Eduardo wrote: Begin

Actually, nearly all audience for AMs is concentrated in talk formats that
are all news, nwes/talk or sports. There is very little listening to
anything else.

Then what's the 'need' for HD enhancements?

People under 50 to 55 will just not listen to the quality of AM radio.

Whether this is due to current receivers or to NRSC is a moot point... they
will not listne.

When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the same
programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has been
demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the salable
35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.


And it is notoriously difficult to maintain the jump in numbers
without accompanying changes in programming. You've been in
broadcasting for a long time, so you know this.


Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
actually sound that much better?

I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in my
car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
sounding voice.

If you spend a lot of time around people with throat conditions that
generate a lot of 'hash', I suppose it would.

"Doodler" wrote in message
ps.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the
same
programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has
been
demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the
salable
35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.


And it is notoriously difficult to maintain the jump in numbers
without accompanying changes in programming. You've been in
broadcasting for a long time, so you know this.

Just the move of an established news or newtalk format is enough to jump the
25-54 and keep it up. KSL in SLC began a year and a half ago an AM FM
simulcast, It immediately jumped about 25% in 25-54, and has, since then,
held the numbers consistently (n/t stations wobble a lot due to how strong
the "goings on" politically are, so one just has to index...) as a part of
the overall listenership. In fact, since the move, the numbers have been
consistedntly higher than any time in the last decade.

Same for KTAR in Phoenix, which moved from AM to FM... much higher 25-54
consistently. And WTOP in DC now has a very big 35-54 complonent, which they
were losing when AM only. No programming change at all, either.

All the cases I mentioned are typical traditional news talkers, with Rush,
Dr. Laura and other syndicated fare... and all have done very well. The best
example is the FM talker in Pittsburgh, which has taken nearly all the 35-54
numbers from KDKA, leaving that old AM with mostly 55+ listeners and hugely
declining revenue.

All it takes is putting the SAME format on FM and the 25-54 jumps. No need
to do anything else differently.



Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
actually sound that much better?

I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in
my
car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
sounding voice.

If you spend a lot of time around people with throat conditions that
generate a lot of 'hash', I suppose it would.


The HD audio sounds quite listenable... vastly more listenable than analog
AM.

David "I picked up this 'Eduardo' shtick so I could tap my feet in the bathroom
stall to a salsa beat", wrote:

"Doodler" wrote in message
ps.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the
same
programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has
been
demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the
salable
35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.


And it is notoriously difficult to maintain the jump in numbers
without accompanying changes in programming. You've been in
broadcasting for a long time, so you know this.

Just the move of an established news or newtalk format is enough to jump the
25-54 and keep it up. KSL in SLC began a year and a half ago an AM FM
simulcast, It immediately jumped about 25% in 25-54, and has, since then,
held the numbers consistently (n/t stations wobble a lot due to how strong
the "goings on" politically are, so one just has to index...) as a part of
the overall listenership. In fact, since the move, the numbers have been
consistedntly higher than any time in the last decade.

Same for KTAR in Phoenix, which moved from AM to FM... much higher 25-54
consistently. And WTOP in DC now has a very big 35-54 complonent, which they
were losing when AM only. No programming change at all, either.

All the cases I mentioned are typical traditional news talkers, with Rush,
Dr. Laura and other syndicated fare... and all have done very well. The best
example is the FM talker in Pittsburgh, which has taken nearly all the 35-54
numbers from KDKA, leaving that old AM with mostly 55+ listeners and hugely
declining revenue.

All it takes is putting the SAME format on FM and the 25-54 jumps. No need
to do anything else differently.



Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
actually sound that much better?

I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in
my
car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
sounding voice.

If you spend a lot of time around people with throat conditions that
generate a lot of 'hash', I suppose it would.


The HD audio sounds quite listenable... vastly more listenable than analog
AM.

Shill!

On Sep 3, 11:45 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Doodler" wrote in message

ps.com...







David Eduardo wrote:

When the "AM formats" like news or talk or sports are moved to FM, the
same
programming jumps in 35-54 ratings, just because it is on FM. This has
been
demonstrated in markets like Phoenix, SLC, Jackisonville, Dayton,
Philadelphia, New Orleans, Charleston, and Washington, DC where AM takers
have come on, moved to or swimulcast with FM... in every case, the
salable
35-54 numbers have expanded dramatically.

And it is notoriously difficult to maintain the jump in numbers
without accompanying changes in programming. You've been in
broadcasting for a long time, so you know this.

Just the move of an established news or newtalk format is enough to jump the
25-54 and keep it up. KSL in SLC began a year and a half ago an AM FM
simulcast, It immediately jumped about 25% in 25-54, and has, since then,
held the numbers consistently (n/t stations wobble a lot due to how strong
the "goings on" politically are, so one just has to index...) as a part of
the overall listenership. In fact, since the move, the numbers have been
consistedntly higher than any time in the last decade.

Same for KTAR in Phoenix, which moved from AM to FM... much higher 25-54
consistently. And WTOP in DC now has a very big 35-54 complonent, which they
were losing when AM only. No programming change at all, either.

All the cases I mentioned are typical traditional news talkers, with Rush,
Dr. Laura and other syndicated fare... and all have done very well. The best
example is the FM talker in Pittsburgh, which has taken nearly all the 35-54
numbers from KDKA, leaving that old AM with mostly 55+ listeners and hugely
declining revenue.

All it takes is putting the SAME format on FM and the 25-54 jumps. No need
to do anything else differently.



Do those buzzing sound effects on KNX traffic reports
actually sound that much better?

I listen to KNX quite a bit, but it's on my factory installed HD radio in
my
car. It sounds great in HD. Much clearer, greater presence, more "human"
sounding voice.

If you spend a lot of time around people with throat conditions that
generate a lot of 'hash', I suppose it would.

The HD audio sounds quite listenable... vastly more listenable than analog
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Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM
and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations.

"Steve" wrote in message
ps.com...

Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM
and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations.


Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that
there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune
to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a
consequence.

Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to
move to, and are slowly losing revenue.

Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will
be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very
niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of
course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over
the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among
under-55s via the improved quality.

On Sep 3, 12:44 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ps.com...



Sounds like you've finally matured a bit and now see the merits of FM
and the folly of HD-AM. Congratulations.

Quite the contrary. It has been known by broadcasters for some time that
there is no way to get any significant number of listeners under 55 to tune
to AM, and the average age of AM listeners is increasing each year as a
consequence.

Some AMs have moved to FM. Others are simulcasting. Others have no FM to
move to, and are slowly losing revenue.

Those AMs have, perhaps, some chance to survive via HD. Otherwise, AM will
be pretty much a thing of the past and only relevant or viable for very
niche formats or in some rural areas where there are no local FMs. Of
course, this is not an immediate do or die type thing; HD can develop over
the next few years and AMs can attempt to restore some interest among
under-55s via the improved quality.

Lol. You are such a throw back. You will never lure young people away
their iPods, their cellphones and their myspace pages. I suggest you
quickly return your head to it's usual, sandy resting place. You're
fighting a battle that was lost twenty years ago.