On Sep 19, 12:19 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
..... and you have very
few listeners who would find anything of interest on distant AM stations.

Almost as few as those who find anything of interest in your posts.

"Steve" wrote in message
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On Sep 19, 12:19 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
.... and you have very
few listeners who would find anything of interest on distant AM stations.

Almost as few as those who find anything of interest in your posts.


You can be assured that this poster isn't going into any sort of HD radio
purchase until the cost of the receivers gets way below what they are at
this point. 200 dollars for a radio that only receives broadcast band crap?
Some cases more than 200 dollars. But really, after a while how much do you
want to spend Frankly when I can go out and buy a AM/FM radio for little
shock to my wallet versus 200-400 USD for a HD set, why in the hell would I
want to do that. For that cost, you could pick up a decent shortwave
portable or even possibly a relatively inexpensive DRM radio for SW. Not
that I think that DRM is going to be a boon either but seriously what is
there really on most commercial radio except hours of Rush Limbaugh and
other assorted talk show hosts. Other than listening to WBBM or some
powerhouse station like that for the news, there is little available on
local radio. FM has basically been turned into a vast wasteland of morning
talk shows, commercials, and other nonsense. Play the same song half the day
from the latest artist and here you can listen to two different stations on
FM playing the same format and same exact song at the same time. So much for
broadcasting diversity.

On Sep 19, 12:19 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

About the only formats that attract any AM audience among adults are the
variants of news & talk. This is a format that commands less than 10% of
total listening in most markets.

That still doesn't explain why you'd want to further degrade your
analog sound quality used by probably 99 percent of your AM radio
listeners) in order to insert a digital sideband that is

1) temperamental to receive in a lot of cases

2) still doesn't solve the problem of lack of reception in high-rise
office blocks

3) practically unknown to most "normal listeners".

That's my biggest concern. The audio quality of LOCAL stations is
being degraded by their own IBOC signals. The digital may sound
fabulous...but if nobody is listening to the digital and is also being
driven away from the station by the awful sound on their analog
radio...then what does it matter?

Stephanie Weil
New York City, USA

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:19:14 GMT, "David Eduardo"
wrote:


"Stephanie Weil" wrote in message
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On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:

Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that
creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than
enough radio stations to service local areas

Some areas have people but not enough to warrant a local station (not
enough advertising income). The only things these people have for
radio entertainment are the distant stations.

Or, imagine yourself being in a town with maybe one or two local
audible signals (either FM or AM). And neither is a format you
like....what do you do if you want radio? Gotta DX.

About the only formats that attract any AM audience among adults are the
variants of news & talk. This is a format that commands less than 10% of
total listening in most markets. Add to that the fact that night listening
to radio is about a quarter of the 6 AM to 7 PM levels.... and you have very
few listeners who would find anything of interest on distant AM stations.

You are nuts. There are many, many thousands who enjoy radio in the
evening.

On Sep 19, 9:19 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Stephanie Weil" wrote in message

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On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:

Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that
creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than
enough radio stations to service local areas

Some areas have people but not enough to warrant a local station (not
enough advertising income). The only things these people have for
radio entertainment are the distant stations.

Or, imagine yourself being in a town with maybe one or two local
audible signals (either FM or AM). And neither is a format you
like....what do you do if you want radio? Gotta DX.

About the only formats that attract any AM audience among adults are the
variants of news & talk. This is a format that commands less than 10% of
total listening in most markets. Add to that the fact that night listening
to radio is about a quarter of the 6 AM to 7 PM levels.... and you have very
few listeners who would find anything of interest on distant AM stations.

d'Eduardo,

IMHO - You just made the Case for Radio Being
a Licensed 24 Hour a Day Public Service which
allows Commerical Advertising from 5 AM to 9 PM
{16 Hours per Day} : With the Hours of 9 PM to
5 AM {8 Hours per Day} being "Commercial Free
Radio Hours".
* All Commercial Radio Stations would be
Required by Law to operate 24 Hours a Day.
* The Nation-Wide {Uniform} Commercial Radio
Licensing Model would be built on 18 Billable
Commercial Hours per Day.
* Like PBS and NPR Corporate Underwritters
could have a Public Service Message Minute
at the TOH {00} and BOH {30} during the
"Commercial Free Radio Hours".
* PSAs could run during the "Commercial Free
Radio Hours" for One Minute at the Quarter-Hours
{15 & 45}

i have a plan - turn the radio on and listen ~ RHF

On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote:

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
and

That is true. Radio stations are businesses that depend on
advertising revenue from local sources. I would not expect that a
radio station in Los Angeles would have many advertisers from
Sacramento or Bakersfield. There are more than enough radio stations
to service local areas.

the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station
anymore. Try and contact them.

Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that
creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than
enough radio stations to service local areas



HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the
highest bidder and the consumer lost.

Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering
what you're talking about.

Actually no that is incorrect. Best Buy is running big ads for HD
radios.



The FCC says - "let the market decide".

Yes, market-based allocation of resources is yet another hugely
successful legacy from the Republicans. Just look at what a great job
they did with energy, telephone and airline deregulation. Or what
they did to the tax code in the name of opening up investments.

The market did decide by
little or no need for HD

Uhhh, just when did the market decide there was little or no need for
HD radio. HD radio has really only just become widely available.

but that was just a smoke screen because you
get it anyway.

You seem to be saying that the market creaated a smokescreen, but I'm
sure that is not the case. Who created a smoke screen.



It's over.

At this point I have no interest in buying yet another piece of gear
to receive radio programming that will in alll likelihood be very
similar to what can be gotten over standard radio at no charge. The
programming on HD radio has the potential to be about as interesting
as that available via satellite radio, which is to say not very much.
HD radio does not have an added listening fee which is a minor
benfit.





jw- Hide quoted text -

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Wireless WiFi/WiMAx Internet Radio will kill terrestrial/HD Radio.

On Sep 19, 10:48 am, IBOCcrock wrote:
On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:





On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote:

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
and

That is true. Radio stations are businesses that depend on
advertising revenue from local sources. I would not expect that a
radio station in Los Angeles would have many advertisers from
Sacramento or Bakersfield. There are more than enough radio stations
to service local areas.

the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station
anymore. Try and contact them.

Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that
creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than
enough radio stations to service local areas

HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the
highest bidder and the consumer lost.

Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering
what you're talking about.

Actually no that is incorrect. Best Buy is running big ads for HD
radios.

The FCC says - "let the market decide".

Yes, market-based allocation of resources is yet another hugely
successful legacy from the Republicans. Just look at what a great job
they did with energy, telephone and airline deregulation. Or what
they did to the tax code in the name of opening up investments.

The market did decide by
little or no need for HD

Uhhh, just when did the market decide there was little or no need for
HD radio. HD radio has really only just become widely available.

but that was just a smoke screen because you
get it anyway.

You seem to be saying that the market creaated a smokescreen, but I'm
sure that is not the case. Who created a smoke screen.

It's over.

At this point I have no interest in buying yet another piece of gear
to receive radio programming that will in alll likelihood be very
similar to what can be gotten over standard radio at no charge. The
programming on HD radio has the potential to be about as interesting
as that available via satellite radio, which is to say not very much.
HD radio does not have an added listening fee which is a minor
benfit.

jw- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wireless WiFi/WiMAx Internet Radio will kill terrestrial/HD Radio.-
If Internet Radio is in a position to kill HD radio then it is equally
in a position to kill the parent of HD radio as well.

Are you saying that if a radio station broadcasts on the Internet that
action will kill off its signals on standard broadcast and HD
channels? Please explain how this mass murder will come about.

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
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On Sep 19, 8:19 am, Roadie wrote:
On Sep 18, 12:27 pm, Rfburns wrote:

Stations don't care that you can't hear beyoind thier local area
and

That is true. Radio stations are businesses that depend on
advertising revenue from local sources. I would not expect that a
radio station in Los Angeles would have many advertisers from
Sacramento or Bakersfield. There are more than enough radio stations
to service local areas.

the FCC doesn't care that you can't hear your favorite station
anymore. Try and contact them.

Catching stations from afar is am enjoyable hobby for DXers that
creates no revenue for the radio station. None. There are more than
enough radio stations to service local areas



HD AM is here to stay. 100 yrs of tradition has been given to the
highest bidder and the consumer lost.

Try and find an HD radio. The salesman just looks at you wondering
what you're talking about.

Actually no that is incorrect. Best Buy is running big ads for HD
radios.



The FCC says - "let the market decide".

Yes, market-based allocation of resources is yet another hugely
successful legacy from the Republicans. Just look at what a great job
they did with energy, telephone and airline deregulation. Or what
they did to the tax code in the name of opening up investments.

The market did decide by
little or no need for HD

Uhhh, just when did the market decide there was little or no need for
HD radio. HD radio has really only just become widely available.

but that was just a smoke screen because you
get it anyway.

You seem to be saying that the market creaated a smokescreen, but I'm
sure that is not the case. Who created a smoke screen.



It's over.

At this point I have no interest in buying yet another piece of gear
to receive radio programming that will in alll likelihood be very
similar to what can be gotten over standard radio at no charge. The
programming on HD radio has the potential to be about as interesting
as that available via satellite radio, which is to say not very much.
HD radio does not have an added listening fee which is a minor
benfit.





jw- Hide quoted text -

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Wireless WiFi/WiMAx Internet Radio will kill terrestrial/HD Radio.


Considering that I can get hundreds of channels via my internet connection,
I think it is already doing some amazing things. If you look at everything
on the net especially all the Yahoo Music, AOL Music, etc, it is already
superior to local stations. Other than a five minute news bulletin on the
hour, there really isn't much to offer locally. NPR and some of the other
news stations might be the exception. But as far as music and other progams,
you can find all that and more through podcasting, internet radio, and all
that. Plus, my internet connection is 30 a month and I get a lot more use
out of it than HD radio can ever think of doing.