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![]() "SFTV_troy" wrote in message ps.com... Was there a downside to upgrading from Cassettes to CDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog VHS to digital DVDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog radio to Digital satellite radio? No. (I could go on-and-on with other examples like digital MP3s and Ipods and Internet radio and.....) No downside? Ever hear of replacement costs? Ever hear of unavailability of product? Ever hear of CHOICE? Those that think there is no downside to "upgrading" technology do not take a myriad of factors into account, some small (like the DX hobby), some larger (orphaning millions of listeners that don't live inside city grade contours of broadcast stations, and lose their ability to receive stations that they were previously easily able to receive) to larger still (the obsoleting of literally hundred of millions (possibly even billions) of currently useful devices (analog TV's (especially portables), analog radios, turntables, cassette decks, ad inf.). And has anyone considered the long term ecological repercussions of having to dispose of all these millions of now useless devices? "Progress" don't come for free. Sometimes it costs more than people are willing to pay. Digital radio is an answer to a problem that doesn't exist, and is/will create(ing) more problems than it solves. You mention digital satellite radio. That's fine, and I wouldn't mind giving it a try.. but hey, satellite radio doesn't affect my ability to listen to any of hundreds or more terrestrial analog stations whenever I choose. IBOC terrestrial radios DOES! If you want to listen to digital radio, then get yourself an XM or Sirius radio and listen to your heart's content.... just don't expect the millions of people in the US alone that IBOC is negatively affecting to just roll over and play dead. |
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Brenda Ann wrote:
"SFTV_troy" wrote in message ps.com... Was there a downside to upgrading from Cassettes to CDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog VHS to digital DVDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog radio to Digital satellite radio? No. (I could go on-and-on with other examples like digital MP3s and Ipods and Internet radio and.....) No downside? Ever hear of replacement costs? Ever hear of unavailability of product? Ever hear of CHOICE? Hi Brenda, Yeah just 5 seconds ago when I read your post. ;-) Although it's sometimes painful to have to abandon your old record player and upgrade to CD, I think it's worthwhile. You get better sound. (Of course, you don't have to abandon records; there are still turntables out there.) Me, I'm stuck in the middle of this HDTV transition. I'm recording HDTV with a vcr, which is totally inadequate for the task, but I'm still glad the transition was made, because HDTV looks much, much better than analog. I have no desire to take a step backwards to analog. Those that think there is no downside to "upgrading" technology do not take a myriad of factors into account, some small (like the DX hobby) Yes true. By the way, DX isn't dead. It moved to the internet, where you can hear stations as far away as London, Russia, Australia, et cetera. I hear more distant stations now than I ever did as a teenager. some larger (orphaning millions of listeners that don't live inside city grade contours of broadcast stations, and lose their ability to receive stations that they were previously easily able to receive) The analog FM is still there. So too are the websites, so rural listeners can stream them off the internet. Heck, I listen to stations in my hometown, and I'm currently 1000 miles away, just via streaming. to larger still (the obsoleting of literally hundred of millions (possibly even billions) of currently useful devices (analog TV's (especially portables), analog radios, turntables, cassette decks, ad inf.). Yes. Just like when we abandoned horse-drawn carriages, steam engines, and riverboats. It's called progress... moving from old technologies to new technologies. Movign from slow or inefficient technologies to faster, economical technologies. BTW analog TVs are not dead. I've got a digital tuner attached to mine, which means the set will die a natural death of old age. It's not been wasted. And has anyone considered the long term ecological repercussions of having to dispose of all these millions of now useless devices? Trivial compared to the amount of trash generated from food packaging. By volume I'd estimate a thrown-away VCR or Cassette player is less than 1% the volume generated by food boxes, plastic wrap, and containers. Digital radio is an answer to a problem that doesn't exist, and is/will create(ing) more problems than it solves. Actually there is a problem. Young adults and teens are demanding more variety, and analog radio doesn't have room to grow to meet that demand (no room to add stations). You mention digital satellite radio. That's fine, and I wouldn't mind giving it a try.. but hey, satellite radio doesn't affect my ability to listen to any of hundreds or more terrestrial analog stations whenever I choose. IBOC terrestrial radios DOES! No it doesn't. Just type in your favorite radio station's call letters.com, and you can hear them over the internet. (If you can't find your station, I'd be happy to help you locate its dot-com location.) Oh and you can try free XM by going he radioaol.com - That's what I listen to during work (sometimes). If you want to listen to digital radio, then get yourself an XM or Sirius radio and listen to your heart's content I don't want to pay $150 a year for radio. I like the free over-the- air kind, but I want more stations. |
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On Sep 30, 12:34 pm, SFTV_troy wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote: "SFTV_troy" wrote in message ups.com... Was there a downside to upgrading from Cassettes to CDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog VHS to digital DVDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog radio to Digital satellite radio? No. (I could go on-and-on with other examples like digital MP3s and Ipods and Internet radio and.....) No downside? Ever hear of replacement costs? Ever hear of unavailability of product? Ever hear of CHOICE? Yes, It's what has driven me to internet radio. Hi Brenda, Yeah just 5 seconds ago when I read your post. ;-) Although it's sometimes painful to have to abandon your old record player and upgrade to CD, I think it's worthwhile. You get better sound. (Of course, you don't have to abandon records; there are still turntables out there.) Yes, but better sound is of little value when combined with **** poor programming. Me, I'm stuck in the middle of this HDTV transition. I'm recording HDTV with a vcr, which is totally inadequate for the task, but I'm still glad the transition was made, because HDTV looks much, much better than analog. I have no desire to take a step backwards to analog. Those that think there is no downside to "upgrading" technology do not take a myriad of factors into account, some small (like the DX hobby) Yes true. By the way, DX isn't dead. It moved to the internet, where you can hear stations as far away as London, Russia, Australia, et cetera. I hear more distant stations now than I ever did as a teenager. That's right, you can hear it all on the internet. But wait, what do we need all of these HD radios for then? some larger (orphaning millions of listeners that don't live inside city grade contours of broadcast stations, and lose their ability to receive stations that they were previously easily able to receive) The analog FM is still there. So too are the websites, so rural listeners can stream them off the internet. Heck, I listen to stations in my hometown, and I'm currently 1000 miles away, just via streaming. to larger still (the obsoleting of literally hundred of millions (possibly even billions) of currently useful devices (analog TV's (especially portables), analog radios, turntables, cassette decks, ad inf.). Yes. Just like when we abandoned horse-drawn carriages, steam engines, and riverboats. It's called progress... moving from old technologies to new technologies. Movign from slow or inefficient technologies to faster, economical technologies. That's what I keep telling all the HD radio proponents, but they just clink to their little digital horse drawn carriages. Time to let go of the past and drive on the internet autobahn. BTW analog TVs are not dead. I've got a digital tuner attached to mine, which means the set will die a natural death of old age. It's not been wasted. And has anyone considered the long term ecological repercussions of having to dispose of all these millions of now useless devices? Trivial compared to the amount of trash generated from food packaging. By volume I'd estimate a thrown-away VCR or Cassette player is less than 1% the volume generated by food boxes, plastic wrap, and containers. Digital radio is an answer to a problem that doesn't exist, and is/will create(ing) more problems than it solves. Actually there is a problem. Young adults and teens are demanding more variety, and analog radio doesn't have room to grow to meet that demand (no room to add stations). Yes, this is also driving people to internet radio. You mention digital satellite radio. That's fine, and I wouldn't mind giving it a try.. but hey, satellite radio doesn't affect my ability to listen to any of hundreds or more terrestrial analog stations whenever I choose. IBOC terrestrial radios DOES! No it doesn't. Just type in your favorite radio station's call letters.com, and you can hear them over the internet. (If you can't find your station, I'd be happy to help you locate its dot-com location.) Precisely! Looks like you're catching on! Oh and you can try free XM by going he radioaol.com - That's what I listen to during work (sometimes). If you want to listen to digital radio, then get yourself an XM or Sirius radio and listen to your heart's content I don't want to pay $150 a year for radio. I like the free over-the- air kind, but I want more stations. Yeah, that's why internet radio is the future. Cheaper than satellite, thousands of more choices than HD. Progress feels good. Real good. |
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![]() SFTV_troy wrote: Brenda Ann wrote: "SFTV_troy" wrote in message ps.com... Was there a downside to upgrading from Cassettes to CDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog VHS to digital DVDs? No. Was there a downside to upgrading from analog radio to Digital satellite radio? No. (I could go on-and-on with other examples like digital MP3s and Ipods and Internet radio and.....) No downside? Ever hear of replacement costs? Ever hear of unavailability of product? Ever hear of CHOICE? Hi Brenda, Yeah just 5 seconds ago when I read your post. ;-) Although it's sometimes painful to have to abandon your old record player and upgrade to CD, I think it's worthwhile. You get better sound. (Of course, you don't have to abandon records; there are still turntables out there.) Me, I'm stuck in the middle of this HDTV transition. I'm recording HDTV with a vcr, which is totally inadequate for the task, but I'm still glad the transition was made, because HDTV looks much, much better than analog. I have no desire to take a step backwards to analog. Those that think there is no downside to "upgrading" technology do not take a myriad of factors into account, some small (like the DX hobby) Yes true. By the way, DX isn't dead. It moved to the internet, where you can hear stations as far away as London, Russia, Australia, et cetera. I hear more distant stations now than I ever did as a teenager. Uh, that's NOT DX'ing, no matter what the pathological David F. Gleason might have you believe. |
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SFTV_troy wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote: some larger (orphaning millions of listeners that don't live inside city grade contours of broadcast stations, and lose their ability to receive stations that they were previously easily able to receive) The analog FM is still there. So too are the websites, so rural listeners can stream them off the internet. Heck, I listen to stations in my hometown, and I'm currently 1000 miles away, just via streaming. Are you assuming rural America has high speed internet? I live 4 miles outside city limits and there is no DSL and no cable internet. Do you think one can adequately stream a decent internet feed over a 28k modem connection? |
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On Sep 30, 11:19 am, craigm wrote:
SFTV_troy wrote: Brenda Ann wrote: some larger (orphaning millions of listeners that don't live inside city grade contours of broadcast stations, and lose their ability to receive stations that they were previously easily able to receive) The analog FM is still there. So too are the websites, so rural listeners can stream them off the internet. Heck, I listen to stations in my hometown, and I'm currently 1000 miles away, just via streaming. Are you assuming rural America has high speed internet? I live 4 miles outside city limits and there is no DSL and no cable internet. Do you think one can adequately stream a decent internet feed over a 28k modem connection? CraigM, Sorry but the Urban Techno-Geek {SFTV} can not hear the Voice of Rural Reality. ~ RHF |
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craigm wrote: SFTV_troy wrote: Brenda Ann wrote: some larger (orphaning millions of listeners that don't live inside city grade contours of broadcast stations, and lose their ability to receive stations that they were previously easily able to receive) The analog FM is still there. So too are the websites, so rural listeners can stream them off the internet. Heck, I listen to stations in my hometown, and I'm currently 1000 miles away, just via streaming. Are you assuming rural America has high speed internet? I live 4 miles outside city limits and there is no DSL and no cable internet. Do you think one can adequately stream a decent internet feed over a 28k modem connection? You can go satellite with high bit rates. Main downside is high ping time but that is usually only an issue with on line gaming. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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![]() "SFTV_troy" wrote in message oups.com... Yes true. By the way, DX isn't dead. It moved to the internet, where you can hear stations as far away as London, Russia, Australia, et cetera. I hear more distant stations now than I ever did as a teenager. some larger (orphaning millions of listeners that don't live inside city grade contours of broadcast stations, and lose their ability to receive stations that they were previously easily able to receive) The analog FM is still there. So too are the websites, so rural listeners can stream them off the internet. Heck, I listen to stations in my hometown, and I'm currently 1000 miles away, just via streaming. Streaming is not DX. Also, where do you think these rural listeners are going to get broadband internet access that would allow them to listen to these streams? Ain't gonna happen, because nobody is supplying broadband outside of cities. (hint: satellite internet doesn't handle streaming audio for beans, since the backhaul is still via telephone modem, and the lag doesn't allow for enough FEC... ) to larger still (the obsoleting of literally hundred of millions (possibly even billions) of currently useful devices (analog TV's (especially portables), analog radios, turntables, cassette decks, ad inf.). Yes. Just like when we abandoned horse-drawn carriages, steam engines, and riverboats. It's called progress... moving from old technologies to new technologies. Movign from slow or inefficient technologies to faster, economical technologies. BTW analog TVs are not dead. I've got a digital tuner attached to mine, which means the set will die a natural death of old age. It's not been wasted. Those things were not abandoned wholesale or all at once. They were phased out by attrition, nobody forced anyone to buy a horseless carriage. Plus, there are still working steamboats and horse drawn carriages in use today. Try connecting one of those set-top boxes to your portable TV at the beach, or out camping.. I am not happy (nor is anyone else in the situation) with having a relatively expensive pocket portable TV obsoleted and useless. And has anyone considered the long term ecological repercussions of having to dispose of all these millions of now useless devices? Trivial compared to the amount of trash generated from food packaging. By volume I'd estimate a thrown-away VCR or Cassette player is less than 1% the volume generated by food boxes, plastic wrap, and containers. Digital radio is an answer to a problem that doesn't exist, and is/will create(ing) more problems than it solves. Actually there is a problem. Young adults and teens are demanding more variety, and analog radio doesn't have room to grow to meet that demand (no room to add stations). Most young people I know don't listen to radio at all. It's not in their line of thinking. They listen to their mp3 players when they listen at all. They couldn't care less about radio, and adding more stations won't change that. Besides, have you checked out what kids listen to now? Almost 100% rap/hiphop/urban. They don't want choice... they want conformity (as youth always have.. not with the adult world, but among their peers). |
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![]() "Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... Streaming is not DX. Also, where do you think these rural listeners are going to get broadband internet access that would allow them to listen to these streams? Ain't gonna happen, because nobody is supplying broadband outside of cities. It's happening. WiMax. Try connecting one of those set-top boxes to your portable TV at the beach, or out camping.. I am not happy (nor is anyone else in the situation) with having a relatively expensive pocket portable TV obsoleted and useless. Truly, how many people use portable TVs? Most portable TV viewing is on cellular phones, the new iPod, etc. Most young people I know don't listen to radio at all. It's not in their line of thinking. They listen to their mp3 players when they listen at all. They couldn't care less about radio, and adding more stations won't change that. Besides, have you checked out what kids listen to now? Almost 100% rap/hiphop/urban. They don't want choice... they want conformity (as youth always have.. not with the adult world, but among their peers). There you go again. There are various kinds or blends of hip hop and rhythmic CHR. Some markets have two or three stations in the broad genre, because it has variants, and the proponents of one kind don't like the other. Young people (12-24) listen to all kinds of things, and that group is definitely not composed of sheeple.... Using diverse New York, the top radio stations a WHTZ CHR (what used to be Top 40) WWPR Hip Hop mostly Black appeal WQHT Hip Hop, mostly Hispanic appeal WCAA Reggaeton (Latin rhythmic) and tropical WSKQ Latin Tropical WBLS R&B / Urban WKTU Rhythmic / light dance WPAT Spanish AC WLTW Soft AC WQBU Regional Mexican WRKS Urban WWFS Hot AC WAXQ Rock So you can not say that all listen to urban or hip hop stations... not even 30% of the listening by 12-24 in NY is to such stations. |
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There is no such place name in California as Ventura.I know what the
place name is, but I done forgot it at the moment.Telamon, tell all them cutesy pie gals old hansom Larry over here in Mississippi Loves them. cuhulin |
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