On Oct 1, 3:44 pm, Steve wrote:
On Oct 1, 7:54 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Sep 30, 5:58 pm, Steve wrote:


the thousands of stations accessible via the internet, bundled no
doubt with email, web access, the whole shebang....

Sounds complicated. History shows consumers don't like complicated
things (like how to program the blinking clock on their VCRs).
Terrestrial radio offers the ease of just "turning the knob".
That's it. Even a mental midget can do it.

Audio streaming is getting simpler all the time. You don't really even
need a router to do it. I feel sorry for HD.




No one in my family knows how to do it.
But they know how to operate a radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

On Oct 2, 7:28 am, wrote:
On Oct 1, 3:44 pm, Steve wrote:

On Oct 1, 7:54 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Sep 30, 5:58 pm, Steve wrote:

the thousands of stations accessible via the internet, bundled no
doubt with email, web access, the whole shebang....

Sounds complicated. History shows consumers don't like complicated
things (like how to program the blinking clock on their VCRs).
Terrestrial radio offers the ease of just "turning the knob".
That's it. Even a mental midget can do it.

Audio streaming is getting simpler all the time. You don't really even
need a router to do it. I feel sorry for HD.

No one in my family knows how to do it.
But they know how to operate a radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

Difficult now. Easy soon. With thousands of more choices than HD.

No brainer.

On Oct 2, 6:44 am, Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:28 am, wrote:

No one in my family knows how to do internet music.
But they know how to operate a terrestrial radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

Difficult now. Easy soon. With thousands of more choices than HD.

No brainer.




You remind me of Sony trying to hock their PS3 Boondoggle. "Yeah it
costs $700, but it's got outstanding technology! And it can play Blu-
ray movies too! And cook your breakfast! People will WANT to work
overtime to buy this thing."

Promises, promises.

But the PS3 is still in third place (behind Xbox360 and Nintendo) &
losing a lot of money & driving down Sony's stock. You can have the
best "gadget" in the world, but it doesn't matter if the consumer
doesn't want it.

On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:44 am, Steve wrote:

On Oct 2, 7:28 am, wrote:

No one in my family knows how to do internet music.
But they know how to operate a terrestrial radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

Difficult now. Easy soon. With thousands of more choices than HD.

No brainer.

You remind me of Sony trying to hock their PS3 Boondoggle. "Yeah it
costs $700, but it's got outstanding technology! And it can play Blu-
ray movies too! And cook your breakfast! People will WANT to work
overtime to buy this thing."

Promises, promises.

But the PS3 is still in third place (behind Xbox360 and Nintendo) &
losing a lot of money & driving down Sony's stock. You can have the
best "gadget" in the world, but it doesn't matter if the consumer
doesn't want it.

You're just a technophobe who still, after all these years, can't come
to terms with the internet and what it means. There are already
thousands of internet stations streaming audio, and there already
millions of people listening to them. This isn't something that's
going to happen tomorrow. It's happening right now, under your nose
and apparently to your displeasure. As soon as Wimax is deployed--and
there's no doubt whatsoever that this will happen--it's all over. You
can deny the advance of technology and you can deny the inevitable,
but your denials won't make one whit of difference.

Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:44 am, Steve wrote:

On Oct 2, 7:28 am, wrote:

No one in my family knows how to do internet music.
But they know how to operate a terrestrial radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

Difficult now. Easy soon. With thousands of more choices than HD.

No brainer.

You remind me of Sony trying to hock their PS3 Boondoggle. "Yeah it
costs $700, but it's got outstanding technology! And it can play Blu-
ray movies too! And cook your breakfast! People will WANT to work
overtime to buy this thing."

Promises, promises.

But the PS3 is still in third place (behind Xbox360 and Nintendo) &
losing a lot of money & driving down Sony's stock. You can have the
best "gadget" in the world, but it doesn't matter if the consumer
doesn't want it.

You're just a technophobe ...


Is that why I've became an engineer? Because I fear technology? Is
that why I've using computers since 1984, and internet connections
since 1987? Because I fear technology? Is that why I spend my days
reviewing code & designing hardware? Because I fear technology?

Bzzz.

Guess again.

Never mind I'll tell you why: I've seen supposed "better" standards
like laserdisc, minidisc, Digital Audio Tape, Digital Cassette
Recorders, Super Audio CD, HDTV VHS recorders, and on and on and
on...... arrive on the scene, make a lot of noise, and then disappear
since the general public ignored them. (Blu-ray and HD DVD might be
the next ones to flop.)

That's taught me not to believe all the lies.... er, marketing hype.
(Yes even the internet has its trail of tears, with numerous failed
technologies & bankrupted companies.)



Jus because something is new (like Wimax) does not mean it will win.
I remember back in the 80s when ISDN was supposed to be "the future of
computer networking", and many of my colleagues immediately signed-
up. But that never happened. The consumers continued using their
phone lines (slowly upgrading from 9.6k to 56k), and then they ignored
ISDN and jumped straight to high-speed (dsl or cable).

ISDN failed to live-up to its hype, becoming a marginal service barely
used by anybody.

Wimax certainly *sounds* good, but it could very well be the next
ISDN... the next flop.

Don't believe marketing hype.

On Oct 3, 3:19 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:44 am, Steve wrote:

On Oct 2, 7:28 am, wrote:

No one in my family knows how to do internet music.
But they know how to operate a terrestrial radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

Difficult now. Easy soon. With thousands of more choices than HD.

No brainer.

You remind me of Sony trying to hock their PS3 Boondoggle. "Yeah it
costs $700, but it's got outstanding technology! And it can play Blu-
ray movies too! And cook your breakfast! People will WANT to work
overtime to buy this thing."

Promises, promises.

But the PS3 is still in third place (behind Xbox360 and Nintendo) &
losing a lot of money & driving down Sony's stock. You can have the
best "gadget" in the world, but it doesn't matter if the consumer
doesn't want it.

You're just a technophobe ...

Is that why I've became an engineer? Because I fear technology? Is
that why I've using computers since 1984, and internet connections
since 1987? Because I fear technology? Is that why I spend my days
reviewing code & designing hardware? Because I fear technology?

Bzzz.

Guess again.

Never mind I'll tell you why: I've seen supposed "better" standards
like laserdisc, minidisc, Digital Audio Tape, Digital Cassette
Recorders, Super Audio CD, HDTV VHS recorders, and on and on and
on...... arrive on the scene, make a lot of noise, and then disappear
since the general public ignored them. (Blu-ray and HD DVD might be
the next ones to flop.)

That's taught me not to believe all the lies.... er, marketing hype.
(Yes even the internet has its trail of tears, with numerous failed
technologies & bankrupted companies.)

Jus because something is new (like Wimax) does not mean it will win.
I remember back in the 80s when ISDN was supposed to be "the future of
computer networking", and many of my colleagues immediately signed-
up. But that never happened. The consumers continued using their
phone lines (slowly upgrading from 9.6k to 56k), and then they ignored
ISDN and jumped straight to high-speed (dsl or cable).

ISDN failed to live-up to its hype, becoming a marginal service barely
used by anybody.

Wimax certainly *sounds* good, but it could very well be the next
ISDN... the next flop.


- Don't believe marketing hype.

SFTV -aka- "Hybrid Digital" Man,

Then why have you promoted the Marketing Hype Words :
"Hybrid Digital" for 'HD' Radio so many times ?

I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.
* Twain Harte, CA -USA-

On Oct 3, 6:19 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Oct 2, 6:44 am, Steve wrote:

On Oct 2, 7:28 am, wrote:

No one in my family knows how to do internet music.
But they know how to operate a terrestrial radio.
Internet == difficult for the average joe. Radio == easy.

Difficult now. Easy soon. With thousands of more choices than HD.

No brainer.

You remind me of Sony trying to hock their PS3 Boondoggle. "Yeah it
costs $700, but it's got outstanding technology! And it can play Blu-
ray movies too! And cook your breakfast! People will WANT to work
overtime to buy this thing."

Promises, promises.

But the PS3 is still in third place (behind Xbox360 and Nintendo) &
losing a lot of money & driving down Sony's stock. You can have the
best "gadget" in the world, but it doesn't matter if the consumer
doesn't want it.

You're just a technophobe ...

Is that why I've became an engineer? Because I fear technology? Is
that why I've using computers since 1984, and internet connections
since 1987? Because I fear technology? Is that why I spend my days
reviewing code & designing hardware? Because I fear technology?

Bzzz.

Guess again.

You tell me. It's your fear. I can only theorize about its source.


Never mind I'll tell you why: I've seen supposed "better" standards
like laserdisc, minidisc, Digital Audio Tape, Digital Cassette
Recorders, Super Audio CD, HDTV VHS recorders, and on and on and
on...... arrive on the scene, make a lot of noise, and then disappear
since the general public ignored them. (Blu-ray and HD DVD might be
the next ones to flop.)

So, let me get this straight: You think the INTERNET is likely to
"flop" and disappear? And you're an engineer? Really?


That's taught me not to believe all the lies.... er, marketing hype.
(Yes even the internet has its trail of tears, with numerous failed
technologies & bankrupted companies.)

The internet isn't hype. It's what you're using to post to this group
right now.


Jus because something is new (like Wimax) does not mean it will win.

The internet isn't new, and Wimax is simply an extension of it.

I remember back in the 80s when ISDN was supposed to be "the future of
computer networking", and many of my colleagues immediately signed-
up. But that never happened. The consumers continued using their
phone lines (slowly upgrading from 9.6k to 56k), and then they ignored
ISDN and jumped straight to high-speed (dsl or cable).

ISDN failed to live-up to its hype, becoming a marginal service barely
used by anybody.

Wimax certainly *sounds* good, but it could very well be the next
ISDN... the next flop.

So tell me, what do you think is going to replace the internet? Do you
think HD AM will replace the internet? If so, can you please elaborate
on what the hell this could mean?

On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
..

You can have the
best "gadget" in the world, but it doesn't matter if the consumer
doesn't want it.

Oh, you mean like HD receivers?

Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
.

You can have the best "gadget" in the world,
but it doesn't matter if the consumer doesn't want it.

Oh, you mean like HD receivers?


Exactly. It could be that Wireless will die-out completely, and
they'll be no need for either HDR or Wimax. Nobody knows what the
future will hold... not me, and certainly not you.

SFTV_troy wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:57 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
.

You can have the best "gadget" in the world,
but it doesn't matter if the consumer doesn't want it.

Oh, you mean like HD receivers?

Exactly. It could be that Wireless will die-out completely, and
they'll be no need for either HDR or Wimax. Nobody knows what the
future will hold... not me, and certainly not you.

Sure we do! Death, taxes and more BS from Edweenie!