CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

In article ,
dxAce wrote:

Rfburns wrote:

Eddie - I think you're on to something. I can't wait to get a new
cell phone with HD radio inside. It's gonna be so cool hooked up to an
FM dipole antenna to recieve HD FM and a MW loop for AM HD. you're
right ... it's gonna work out real well. They're gonna sell like
hotcakes.

By the way I think you're becoming psychotic. You're delusions are
worse than I thought.

Delusional? David 'Eduardo' Frackelton Gleason is certainly that and so much
more!

He's like Michael Bryant, but on steroids.

Hey, when it comes to cluelessness David has nothing on Bryant.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:
.

Do you find it interesting what you can know about a part just from the
package it uses?


The key issue is that Samsung has designed a smaller single chip replacing
the multi-chip set, which could not be used in portables due to size and
power consumption. Who cares what is inside if it works as stated? It's not
"rocket science" just consumer electronics.

Well never mind then.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
"CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS"

"After conducting a survey of 340 HD2 stations to determine their
programming needs, the folks at Clear Channel have dumped a number of
their HD 'Format Lab' stations due to a lack of demand."

http://talentfilter.blogspot.com/200...-plug-on-some-
hd.html

Yupper - there she goes!

Actually, no stations ceased HD broadcasting; a few have had different
formats put on the HD2 channels based on listener response.

There are no "Format Lab" stations.

The "Format Lab" is a development center in San Antonio where different
concepts are streamed and the ones with the most hits and longest
listening
spans get put on actual radio stations. The ones that don't attract
interest
are nuked and other ideas tried; it's an ongoing process. The idea is to
create new content for HD that has not been found on radio up till now.



So they're just hoping people will find these stations by osmosis, or
what?

People find them the same way they find any web stream "station."

RHF did a Google search and didn't find any. What did you do?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message
...
Eddie - You sound like one of those detached radio general managers I
talked to a few days back. Full of BS but no clue about reality. You
need help and I think I can help you with your fixation on the success
of HD radio but you need to accept that you have a problem. That is
the first step.

Now are you ready to be helped?


Yeah, and the help is coming from Samsung and the other fabs that are
releasing 9 mm form factor low power consumption chips for delivery
sometime in Q2 of this year. This will permit portable HD devices,
integration of HD into MP3 players and phones, etc.

And... I am not a general manager, although I have been one in the past;
I work with listeners to find their needs and feelings regarding radio.
Get a job in a shop or on a construction site. You won't learn anything
hanging-out in office buildings.

Actually, we hang out at community centers, swap meets, street corners,
malls, etc.

I think I passed by your lemonade stand on the corner on my last trip
through LA. I waved to you as I went by.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

In article
,
D Peter Maus wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

And using technology designed primarly for cell phone reception, the
FM in my Nokia allows some pretty impressive reception, using nothing
more than the earphone cord as an antenna, as far out of town as
Marengo, well outside of Chicago ADI.
There is no Chicago ADI.
Radio

Arbitron...maintains...areas for radio stations; each is called an area of
dominant influence (ADI). There are 286 ADI's in the United States.
-wikipedia

Nope. Wikidud data.

Arbitron does not use ADIs any more, and has not for about 15 to 18 years.
They use DMAs, same as Nielsen. Nobody uses ADIs any more, particularly
since Arbitron does not do TV surveys. Arbitron reports are based on MSA,
or
metro survey areas, and twice a year you can also get, if you pay for it,
DMA data... it is not released to the trades, ever. And buyers never ask
for
it. The PPM apparently will not use DMA data at all.




I wasn't talking about ratings, Buckwheat. I was referring to
reception of a portable device at distance with simple antenna and
sophistcated techology. Precisely describing and experience with an
add-on feature to a device, as you had attempted to present. The use of
the term was entirely appropriate to my context.

Had we been speaking of ratings, you'd be correct. But we weren't.

What's almost laughable, is that here I was agreeing with you, and
you chose to attempt to micromanage the conversation and start an argument.

Once again, proving my previous points for me.

For someone who asserts that his official duties include listening,
you really don't seem to be interested in what's actually being said to
you.

Yeah, earlier in the thread he did the same to me. Apparently he wants
to argue even when you agree with him.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

Telamon wrote:
In article
,
D Peter Maus wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

And using technology designed primarly for cell phone reception, the
FM in my Nokia allows some pretty impressive reception, using nothing
more than the earphone cord as an antenna, as far out of town as
Marengo, well outside of Chicago ADI.
There is no Chicago ADI.
Radio

Arbitron...maintains...areas for radio stations; each is called an area of
dominant influence (ADI). There are 286 ADI's in the United States.
-wikipedia
Nope. Wikidud data.

Arbitron does not use ADIs any more, and has not for about 15 to 18 years.
They use DMAs, same as Nielsen. Nobody uses ADIs any more, particularly
since Arbitron does not do TV surveys. Arbitron reports are based on MSA,
or
metro survey areas, and twice a year you can also get, if you pay for it,
DMA data... it is not released to the trades, ever. And buyers never ask
for
it. The PPM apparently will not use DMA data at all.



I wasn't talking about ratings, Buckwheat. I was referring to
reception of a portable device at distance with simple antenna and
sophistcated techology. Precisely describing and experience with an
add-on feature to a device, as you had attempted to present. The use of
the term was entirely appropriate to my context.

Had we been speaking of ratings, you'd be correct. But we weren't.

What's almost laughable, is that here I was agreeing with you, and
you chose to attempt to micromanage the conversation and start an argument.

Once again, proving my previous points for me.

For someone who asserts that his official duties include listening,
you really don't seem to be interested in what's actually being said to
you.

Yeah, earlier in the thread he did the same to me. Apparently he wants
to argue even when you agree with him.



Of course. It keeps him isolated and above the rest of the group. If
he agreed, he'd have to admit his pedestal isn't as high as he thinks it
is.

As I think of it, he sounds remarkably like someone else we've
encountered over the years. :)

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:
.

Do you find it interesting what you can know about a part just from the
package it uses?


The key issue is that Samsung has designed a smaller single chip replacing
the multi-chip set, which could not be used in portables due to size and
power consumption. Who cares what is inside if it works as stated? It's not
"rocket science" just consumer electronics.

I looked at the Samsung web site and could find no reference to a HD
radio system on a chip. I could find several versions of an analog
radio on a chip and HDTV chips but no HD radio chips.

Eduardo is blowing smoke.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

In article
,
D Peter Maus wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article
,
D Peter Maus wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...

And using technology designed primarly for cell phone reception, the
FM in my Nokia allows some pretty impressive reception, using nothing
more than the earphone cord as an antenna, as far out of town as
Marengo, well outside of Chicago ADI.
There is no Chicago ADI.
Radio

Arbitron...maintains...areas for radio stations; each is called an area
of
dominant influence (ADI). There are 286 ADI's in the United States.
-wikipedia
Nope. Wikidud data.

Arbitron does not use ADIs any more, and has not for about 15 to 18
years.
They use DMAs, same as Nielsen. Nobody uses ADIs any more, particularly
since Arbitron does not do TV surveys. Arbitron reports are based on MSA,
or
metro survey areas, and twice a year you can also get, if you pay for it,
DMA data... it is not released to the trades, ever. And buyers never ask
for
it. The PPM apparently will not use DMA data at all.



I wasn't talking about ratings, Buckwheat. I was referring to
reception of a portable device at distance with simple antenna and
sophistcated techology. Precisely describing and experience with an
add-on feature to a device, as you had attempted to present. The use of
the term was entirely appropriate to my context.

Had we been speaking of ratings, you'd be correct. But we weren't.

What's almost laughable, is that here I was agreeing with you, and
you chose to attempt to micromanage the conversation and start an
argument.

Once again, proving my previous points for me.

For someone who asserts that his official duties include listening,
you really don't seem to be interested in what's actually being said to
you.

Yeah, earlier in the thread he did the same to me. Apparently he wants
to argue even when you agree with him.



Of course. It keeps him isolated and above the rest of the group. If
he agreed, he'd have to admit his pedestal isn't as high as he thinks it
is.

As I think of it, he sounds remarkably like someone else we've
encountered over the years. :)

Most clueless people have multiple personalities as if quantity makes up
for quality.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
"CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS"

"After conducting a survey of 340 HD2 stations to determine their
programming needs, the folks at Clear Channel have dumped a number of
their HD 'Format Lab' stations due to a lack of demand."

http://talentfilter.blogspot.com/200...n-some-hd.html

Yupper - there she goes!
Actually, no stations ceased HD broadcasting; a few have had different
formats put on the HD2 channels based on listener response.

There are no "Format Lab" stations.

The "Format Lab" is a development center in San Antonio where different
concepts are streamed and the ones with the most hits and longest
listening
spans get put on actual radio stations. The ones that don't attract
interest
are nuked and other ideas tried; it's an ongoing process. The idea is to
create new content for HD that has not been found on radio up till now.


So they're just hoping people will find these stations by osmosis, or
what?

People find them the same way they find any web stream "station."



Most people use Shoutcast. Have you ever been there? Be sure you're
sitting down...

www.shoutcast.com

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

David Eduardo wrote:


Actually, we hang out at community centers, swap meets, street corners,
malls, etc.



Those are challenging demographics, bordering on stereotypical. Is
"street corner" a power demo?

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 10:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

...
Eddie - I think you're on to something. I can't wait to get a new
cell phone with HD radio inside. It's gonna be so cool hooked up to an
FM dipole antenna to recieve HD FM and a MW loop for AM HD. you're
right ... it's gonna work out real well. They're gonna sell like
hotcakes.

By the way I think you're becoming psychotic. You're delusions are
worse than I thought.

Samsung, today, is the largest consumer electronics company. I'd risk a
guess that they know what they are doing.

According to Samsung, there's no chance of ever producing an HD radio
that won't be a power hog. That's not to say that anyone would want an
HD radio even if it weren't a power hog. I'm just sayin'....

You are making up things again. Samsung said no such thing.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Feb 8, 6:18 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:
.

Do you find it interesting what you can know about a part just from the
package it uses?

The key issue is that Samsung has designed a smaller single chip replacing
the multi-chip set, which could not be used in portables due to size and
power consumption. Who cares what is inside if it works as stated? It's
not
"rocket science" just consumer electronics.

According to Samsung, this is precisely what they have not done.

You are making up things again. Samsung said no such thing.

Go back to the lie about all radio stations in NYC being subject to
interference.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:
.

Do you find it interesting what you can know about a part just from the
package it uses?


The key issue is that Samsung has designed a smaller single chip
replacing
the multi-chip set, which could not be used in portables due to size and
power consumption. Who cares what is inside if it works as stated? It's
not
"rocket science" just consumer electronics.

I looked at the Samsung web site and could find no reference to a HD
radio system on a chip. I could find several versions of an analog
radio on a chip and HDTV chips but no HD radio chips.

Eduardo is blowing smoke.

Here you have several of broadcasting's top executives talking about the
chip and its effects:

http://radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.as...&pt=todaysnews

The chip is announced, shipping in demo quantities and available for bulk
shipment in Q2.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

"David" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
"CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS"

"After conducting a survey of 340 HD2 stations to determine their
programming needs, the folks at Clear Channel have dumped a number of
their HD 'Format Lab' stations due to a lack of demand."

http://talentfilter.blogspot.com/200...n-some-hd.html

Yupper - there she goes!
Actually, no stations ceased HD broadcasting; a few have had different
formats put on the HD2 channels based on listener response.

There are no "Format Lab" stations.

The "Format Lab" is a development center in San Antonio where different
concepts are streamed and the ones with the most hits and longest
listening
spans get put on actual radio stations. The ones that don't attract
interest
are nuked and other ideas tried; it's an ongoing process. The idea is
to
create new content for HD that has not been found on radio up till now.


So they're just hoping people will find these stations by osmosis, or
what?

People find them the same way they find any web stream "station."

Most people use Shoutcast. Have you ever been there? Be sure you're
sitting down...

www.shoutcast.com

The shoutcast audience in any US metro area is not even large enough to
qualify for inclusion in the radio ratings.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

"David" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:


Actually, we hang out at community centers, swap meets, street corners,
malls, etc.

Those are challenging demographics, bordering on stereotypical. Is
"street corner" a power demo?

They are also prime locations for intercept polling.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
.
..
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:
.

Do you find it interesting what you can know about a part just
from the package it uses?


The key issue is that Samsung has designed a smaller single chip
replacing the multi-chip set, which could not be used in portables
due to size and power consumption. Who cares what is inside if it
works as stated? It's not "rocket science" just consumer
electronics.

I looked at the Samsung web site and could find no reference to a
HD radio system on a chip. I could find several versions of an
analog radio on a chip and HDTV chips but no HD radio chips.

Eduardo is blowing smoke.

Here you have several of broadcasting's top executives talking about
the chip and its effects:

http://radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.as...&pt=todaysnews

The chip is announced, shipping in demo quantities and available for bulk
shipment in Q2.

The following two quotes from the link were all I could find in the
article about "chips." Please excuse the quotes within quotes.

"Asked about HD Radio and its traction with consumers, Smulyan said
adoption is going to take time. "There are a billion radios in the
United States today," he said. "We're not going to replace a billion
radios in a week and a half." Mason agreed, saying, "If you look and see
how quickly this curve is coming, it is remarkable." He said the real
discussion will be about HD chips and the distribution channels that
will open up when the chips appear in iPods, cell phones, and other
devices."

"Another questioner asked if there's any industry group working with
consumer electronics manufacturers on getting radio tuners into devices,
and Smulyan responded, "The answer is yes. The HD [Digital Radio]
Alliance is working on it." "

So this adds up to nothing. These are just nebulous statements that are
promises with no specifics of any kind. No names, no dates, no devices
(chips), no products, and the last sentence in the first quote states
that the discussion on new devices (chips) has yet to take place.

All this is, is promotional talk. Smoke and mirrors. It's a dream. It
could amount to something in the future but to date ZERO.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
.
..
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:
.

Do you find it interesting what you can know about a part just
from the package it uses?


The key issue is that Samsung has designed a smaller single chip
replacing the multi-chip set, which could not be used in portables
due to size and power consumption. Who cares what is inside if it
works as stated? It's not "rocket science" just consumer
electronics.

I looked at the Samsung web site and could find no reference to a
HD radio system on a chip. I could find several versions of an
analog radio on a chip and HDTV chips but no HD radio chips.

Eduardo is blowing smoke.

Here you have several of broadcasting's top executives talking about
the chip and its effects:

http://radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.as...&pt=todaysnews

The chip is announced, shipping in demo quantities and available for bulk
shipment in Q2.

The following two quotes from the link were all I could find in the
article about "chips." Please excuse the quotes within quotes.

"Asked about HD Radio and its traction with consumers, Smulyan said
adoption is going to take time. "There are a billion radios in the
United States today," he said. "We're not going to replace a billion
radios in a week and a half." Mason agreed, saying, "If you look and see
how quickly this curve is coming, it is remarkable." He said the real
discussion will be about HD chips and the distribution channels that
will open up when the chips appear in iPods, cell phones, and other
devices."

"Another questioner asked if there's any industry group working with
consumer electronics manufacturers on getting radio tuners into devices,
and Smulyan responded, "The answer is yes. The HD [Digital Radio]
Alliance is working on it." "

So this adds up to nothing. These are just nebulous statements that are
promises with no specifics of any kind. No names, no dates, no devices
(chips), no products, and the last sentence in the first quote states
that the discussion on new devices (chips) has yet to take place.

All this is, is promotional talk. Smoke and mirrors. It's a dream. It
could amount to something in the future but to date ZERO.

Zero? Damn, that's just how many QSL's 'Eduardo has! Mind you, he does *claim* to
have 2200 of them...

dxAce
Michigan
USA

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

In article ,
dxAce wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
.
net.
..
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:
.

Do you find it interesting what you can know about a part just
from the package it uses?


The key issue is that Samsung has designed a smaller single chip
replacing the multi-chip set, which could not be used in portables
due to size and power consumption. Who cares what is inside if it
works as stated? It's not "rocket science" just consumer
electronics.

I looked at the Samsung web site and could find no reference to a
HD radio system on a chip. I could find several versions of an
analog radio on a chip and HDTV chips but no HD radio chips.

Eduardo is blowing smoke.

Here you have several of broadcasting's top executives talking about
the chip and its effects:

http://radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.as...&pt=todaysnews

The chip is announced, shipping in demo quantities and available for bulk
shipment in Q2.

The following two quotes from the link were all I could find in the
article about "chips." Please excuse the quotes within quotes.

"Asked about HD Radio and its traction with consumers, Smulyan said
adoption is going to take time. "There are a billion radios in the
United States today," he said. "We're not going to replace a billion
radios in a week and a half." Mason agreed, saying, "If you look and see
how quickly this curve is coming, it is remarkable." He said the real
discussion will be about HD chips and the distribution channels that
will open up when the chips appear in iPods, cell phones, and other
devices."

"Another questioner asked if there's any industry group working with
consumer electronics manufacturers on getting radio tuners into devices,
and Smulyan responded, "The answer is yes. The HD [Digital Radio]
Alliance is working on it." "

So this adds up to nothing. These are just nebulous statements that are
promises with no specifics of any kind. No names, no dates, no devices
(chips), no products, and the last sentence in the first quote states
that the discussion on new devices (chips) has yet to take place.

All this is, is promotional talk. Smoke and mirrors. It's a dream. It
could amount to something in the future but to date ZERO.

Zero? Damn, that's just how many QSL's 'Eduardo has! Mind you, he
does *claim* to have 2200 of them...

Wow, that's a lot of zeros!

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 10:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

...
Eddie - I think you're on to something. I can't wait to get a new
cell phone with HD radio inside. It's gonna be so cool hooked up to an
FM dipole antenna to recieve HD FM and a MW loop for AM HD. you're
right ... it's gonna work out real well. They're gonna sell like
hotcakes.

By the way I think you're becoming psychotic. You're delusions are
worse than I thought.

Samsung, today, is the largest consumer electronics company. I'd risk a
guess that they know what they are doing.

According to Samsung, there's no chance of ever producing an HD radio
that won't be a power hog. That's not to say that anyone would want an
HD radio even if it weren't a power hog. I'm just sayin'....

You are making up things again.

Like you do, oh faux one?

Now, about those QSL's you claim to have...

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The following two quotes from the link were all I could find in the
article about "chips." Please excuse the quotes within quotes.

"Asked about HD Radio and its traction with consumers, Smulyan said
adoption is going to take time. "There are a billion radios in the
United States today," he said. "We're not going to replace a billion
radios in a week and a half." Mason agreed, saying, "If you look and see
how quickly this curve is coming, it is remarkable." He said the real
discussion will be about HD chips and the distribution channels that
will open up when the chips appear in iPods, cell phones, and other
devices."

"Another questioner asked if there's any industry group working with
consumer electronics manufacturers on getting radio tuners into devices,
and Smulyan responded, "The answer is yes. The HD [Digital Radio]
Alliance is working on it." "

So this adds up to nothing. These are just nebulous statements that are
promises with no specifics of any kind. No names, no dates, no devices
(chips), no products, and the last sentence in the first quote states
that the discussion on new devices (chips) has yet to take place.

All this is, is promotional talk. Smoke and mirrors. It's a dream. It
could amount to something in the future but to date ZERO.

these are all people who have seen the Samsung presentations. "The chip"
means the Samsung chip, which is now in limited developer shipment per
Samsung's statements at the CES.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

Zero? Damn, that's just how many QSL's 'Eduardo has! Mind you, he does
*claim* to
have 2200 of them...


I don't have any QSLs. MW confirmations are called "veries" and not QSLs.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

David Eduardo wrote:

Zero? Damn, that's just how many QSL's 'Eduardo has! Mind you, he does
*claim* to
have 2200 of them...


I don't have any QSLs. MW confirmations are called "veries" and not QSLs.

LMFAO! Well then, you have zero veries!

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 10:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

...
Eddie - I think you're on to something. I can't wait to get a new
cell phone with HD radio inside. It's gonna be so cool hooked up to
an
FM dipole antenna to recieve HD FM and a MW loop for AM HD. you're
right ... it's gonna work out real well. They're gonna sell like
hotcakes.

By the way I think you're becoming psychotic. You're delusions are
worse than I thought.

Samsung, today, is the largest consumer electronics company. I'd risk a
guess that they know what they are doing.

According to Samsung, there's no chance of ever producing an HD radio
that won't be a power hog. That's not to say that anyone would want an
HD radio even if it weren't a power hog. I'm just sayin'....

You are making up things again.

Like you do, oh faux one?

Now, about those QSL's you claim to have...

They were seen by the NRC Denver Convention in 1963, and by multiple DXers
in NE Ohio such as the renowned Ed Krejny in the same time period. They were
listed in NRC's DX Achievements awards.

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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Feb 7, 10:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Rfburns" wrote in message

...
Eddie - I think you're on to something. I can't wait to get a new
cell phone with HD radio inside. It's gonna be so cool hooked up to
an
FM dipole antenna to recieve HD FM and a MW loop for AM HD. you're
right ... it's gonna work out real well. They're gonna sell like
hotcakes.

By the way I think you're becoming psychotic. You're delusions are
worse than I thought.

Samsung, today, is the largest consumer electronics company. I'd risk a
guess that they know what they are doing.

According to Samsung, there's no chance of ever producing an HD radio
that won't be a power hog. That's not to say that anyone would want an
HD radio even if it weren't a power hog. I'm just sayin'....

You are making up things again.

Like you do, oh faux one?

Now, about those QSL's you claim to have...

They were seen by the NRC Denver Convention in 1963, and by multiple DXers
in NE Ohio such as the renowned Ed Krejny in the same time period. They were
listed in NRC's DX Achievements awards.

But wait, oh faux one, you just said they weren't QSL's... At any rate, they
didn't exist then, and they certainly don't exist now, isn't that right?

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The following two quotes from the link were all I could find in the
article about "chips." Please excuse the quotes within quotes.

"Asked about HD Radio and its traction with consumers, Smulyan said
adoption is going to take time. "There are a billion radios in the
United States today," he said. "We're not going to replace a billion
radios in a week and a half." Mason agreed, saying, "If you look and see
how quickly this curve is coming, it is remarkable." He said the real
discussion will be about HD chips and the distribution channels that
will open up when the chips appear in iPods, cell phones, and other
devices."

"Another questioner asked if there's any industry group working with
consumer electronics manufacturers on getting radio tuners into devices,
and Smulyan responded, "The answer is yes. The HD [Digital Radio]
Alliance is working on it." "

So this adds up to nothing. These are just nebulous statements that are
promises with no specifics of any kind. No names, no dates, no devices
(chips), no products, and the last sentence in the first quote states
that the discussion on new devices (chips) has yet to take place.

All this is, is promotional talk. Smoke and mirrors. It's a dream. It
could amount to something in the future but to date ZERO.

these are all people who have seen the Samsung presentations. "The chip"
means the Samsung chip, which is now in limited developer shipment per
Samsung's statements at the CES.

Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
...
"CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS"

"After conducting a survey of 340 HD2 stations to determine their
programming needs, the folks at Clear Channel have dumped a number of
their HD 'Format Lab' stations due to a lack of demand."

http://talentfilter.blogspot.com/200...n-some-hd.html

Yupper - there she goes!
Actually, no stations ceased HD broadcasting; a few have had different
formats put on the HD2 channels based on listener response.

There are no "Format Lab" stations.

The "Format Lab" is a development center in San Antonio where different
concepts are streamed and the ones with the most hits and longest
listening
spans get put on actual radio stations. The ones that don't attract
interest
are nuked and other ideas tried; it's an ongoing process. The idea is
to
create new content for HD that has not been found on radio up till now.


So they're just hoping people will find these stations by osmosis, or
what?
People find them the same way they find any web stream "station."
Most people use Shoutcast. Have you ever been there? Be sure you're
sitting down...

www.shoutcast.com

The shoutcast audience in any US metro area is not even large enough to
qualify for inclusion in the radio ratings.



There's no reason for them to be included in your so called "ratings"
which measure nothing but a dying medium's last gasp. Shoutcast (and
Icecast, Live 365, etc.) are where the top dollar demos are going for
good music radio and NPR/CommunityRadio. There is no reason to subject
one's self to the torture that is commercial radio in the 21st century.
It is painful to listen to sonically (and HD sounds worse on AM) and
only a complete loser would voluntarily absorb the content.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.


Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

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"David" wrote in message
...

There's no reason for them to be included in your so called "ratings"
which measure nothing but a dying medium's last gasp. Shoutcast (and
Icecast, Live 365, etc.) are where the top dollar demos are going for good
music radio and NPR/CommunityRadio. There is no reason to subject one's
self to the torture that is commercial radio in the 21st century. It is
painful to listen to sonically (and HD sounds worse on AM) and only a
complete loser would voluntarily absorb the content.

Streams, satellite, HD2 channels and analog or HD terrestrial stations are
all included in the Arbitron radio ratings. Additionally, there are audits
of streaming "stations" and, as I said, the listening level of Shoutcast
across the US would not qualify all its channels combined for the minimum
reporting standard for radio ratings. In other words, think of the worst
radio station in your market, and it has as many or more listeners than Live
365 or Shoutcast.

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.


Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
There's no reason for them to be included in your so called "ratings"
which measure nothing but a dying medium's last gasp. Shoutcast (and
Icecast, Live 365, etc.) are where the top dollar demos are going for good
music radio and NPR/CommunityRadio. There is no reason to subject one's
self to the torture that is commercial radio in the 21st century. It is
painful to listen to sonically (and HD sounds worse on AM) and only a
complete loser would voluntarily absorb the content.

Streams, satellite, HD2 channels and analog or HD terrestrial stations are
all included in the Arbitron radio ratings. Additionally, there are audits
of streaming "stations" and, as I said, the listening level of Shoutcast
across the US would not qualify all its channels combined for the minimum
reporting standard for radio ratings. In other words, think of the worst
radio station in your market, and it has as many or more listeners than Live
365 or Shoutcast.



I don't think you grasp the concept.

https://www.sky.fm/pro/order.php

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Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.


Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.



Telemon,
Why would a semiconductor company announce all their development projects on
the internet? This would tell all their competitors what they are doing.
Most companies do not disclose development activities until there is a
competitive reason to do so.

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David wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
There's no reason for them to be included in your so called "ratings"
which measure nothing but a dying medium's last gasp. Shoutcast (and
Icecast, Live 365, etc.) are where the top dollar demos are going for
good
music radio and NPR/CommunityRadio. There is no reason to subject one's
self to the torture that is commercial radio in the 21st century. It is
painful to listen to sonically (and HD sounds worse on AM) and only a
complete loser would voluntarily absorb the content.

Streams, satellite, HD2 channels and analog or HD terrestrial stations
are all included in the Arbitron radio ratings. Additionally, there are
audits of streaming "stations" and, as I said, the listening level of
Shoutcast across the US would not qualify all its channels combined for
the minimum reporting standard for radio ratings. In other words, think
of the worst radio station in your market, and it has as many or more
listeners than Live 365 or Shoutcast.
live365


I don't think you grasp the concept.

https://www.sky.fm/pro/order.php

If you go to the site, it says skyfm is currently serving 17117 users. That
is spread across 30 stations.

If you go to shoutcast, you'll see that many of the feeds support 1000 or
fewer connections.

Combine that with the low bitrates offered for many connections and I fail
to see how they seriously compete with a single station that may have
10,000+ listeners.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

In article ,
craigm wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.


Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.



Telemon,
Why would a semiconductor company announce all their development projects on
the internet? This would tell all their competitors what they are doing.
Most companies do not disclose development activities until there is a
competitive reason to do so.

They are a publicly traded company and need to let their stockholders
know what they are working on. Check the news here

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/semiconductor/index.html

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"craigm" wrote in message
...
Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.


Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.



Telemon,
Why would a semiconductor company announce all their development projects
on
the internet? This would tell all their competitors what they are doing.
Most companies do not disclose development activities until there is a
competitive reason to do so.


Likely there is a point in development, like just prior to shipping, when a
development becomes public. Since the HD chip is only shipping in
development quantities to radio manufacturers, the formal announcement may
not have been made... but that is just a guess.

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
craigm wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on
the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.


Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.



Telemon,
Why would a semiconductor company announce all their development projects
on
the internet? This would tell all their competitors what they are doing.
Most companies do not disclose development activities until there is a
competitive reason to do so.

They are a publicly traded company and need to let their stockholders
know what they are working on. Check the news here

Shareholder data is released directly to shareholders, not by press releases
on the web.

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On Feb 9, 4:28*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,
*"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.

Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon,

Not -if- iBiquity Digital Corp entered into an "NDA" with Samsung
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement
that allowed iBiquity to manage the public release of the Chips
Existance and Development. Then when iBiquity 'felt' that the
Chip was Ready to be Released; and that the Marketing and the
News of the Chip would have a Positive Impact on the Promotion
of "HD" Radio and the Sales of "HD" Radios. iBiquity would do
it jointly with Samsung.

we were not here and we did not talk ~ RHF

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On Feb 9, 5:42*pm, craigm wrote:
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
*"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message

....

Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on the
Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion here as
they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and FMBCB.

Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.

Telemon,
Why would a semiconductor company announce all their development projects on
the internet? This would tell all their competitors what they are doing.
Most companies do not disclose development activities until there is a
competitive reason to do so.

Craig M,

Good Point especially when they may be developing a Chip
'for' iBiquity under an NDA which gives iBiquity control over
all Information about the Chip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement

~ RHF

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craigm wrote:
David wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
There's no reason for them to be included in your so called "ratings"
which measure nothing but a dying medium's last gasp. Shoutcast (and
Icecast, Live 365, etc.) are where the top dollar demos are going for
good
music radio and NPR/CommunityRadio. There is no reason to subject one's
self to the torture that is commercial radio in the 21st century. It is
painful to listen to sonically (and HD sounds worse on AM) and only a
complete loser would voluntarily absorb the content.
Streams, satellite, HD2 channels and analog or HD terrestrial stations
are all included in the Arbitron radio ratings. Additionally, there are
audits of streaming "stations" and, as I said, the listening level of
Shoutcast across the US would not qualify all its channels combined for
the minimum reporting standard for radio ratings. In other words, think
of the worst radio station in your market, and it has as many or more
listeners than Live 365 or Shoutcast.
live365

I don't think you grasp the concept.

https://www.sky.fm/pro/order.php

If you go to the site, it says skyfm is currently serving 17117 users. That
is spread across 30 stations.

If you go to shoutcast, you'll see that many of the feeds support 1000 or
fewer connections.

Combine that with the low bitrates offered for many connections and I fail
to see how they seriously compete with a single station that may have
10,000+ listeners.


You totally don't get it. There are thousands of web radio stations.
They are growing and you are bleeding.

You were partially right a few weeks ago; talk is going to FM. The
music is going to the web.

CLEAR CHANNEL PULLS THE PLUG ON SOME HD RADIO STATIONS
 

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
craigm wrote:

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message


...
Someone made a mistake. All the references to a radio on a chip on
the Samsung site were analog. Looks like there is some confusion
here as they do have chips for satellite and HD but not AMBCB and
FMBCB.


Your mistake is depending on a website for data only of interest to
manufacturers, iBiquity and its shareholders. The chip is, obviously,
digital as HD is digital.

Your mistake is that they announce any semiconductor development on
their web site. They may limit the amount of data for proprietary
reasons but all projects are announced with some detail.



Telemon,
Why would a semiconductor company announce all their development projects
on the internet? This would tell all their competitors what they are
doing. Most companies do not disclose development activities until there
is a competitive reason to do so.

They are a publicly traded company and need to let their stockholders
know what they are working on. Check the news here

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/semiconductor/index.html



Really? Public companies actually tell their stockholder the details of
their development plans?

Not in any company I've worked for. If what you propose were true, what
would the value of a confidentiality agreement be?

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David wrote:

craigm wrote:
David wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
There's no reason for them to be included in your so called "ratings"
which measure nothing but a dying medium's last gasp. Shoutcast (and
Icecast, Live 365, etc.) are where the top dollar demos are going for
good
music radio and NPR/CommunityRadio. There is no reason to subject
one's self to the torture that is commercial radio in the 21st
century. It is painful to listen to sonically (and HD sounds worse on
AM) and only a complete loser would voluntarily absorb the content.
Streams, satellite, HD2 channels and analog or HD terrestrial stations
are all included in the Arbitron radio ratings. Additionally, there are
audits of streaming "stations" and, as I said, the listening level of
Shoutcast across the US would not qualify all its channels combined for
the minimum reporting standard for radio ratings. In other words, think
of the worst radio station in your market, and it has as many or more
listeners than Live 365 or Shoutcast.
live365

I don't think you grasp the concept.

https://www.sky.fm/pro/order.php

If you go to the site, it says skyfm is currently serving 17117 users.
That is spread across 30 stations.

If you go to shoutcast, you'll see that many of the feeds support 1000 or
fewer connections.

Combine that with the low bitrates offered for many connections and I
fail to see how they seriously compete with a single station that may
have 10,000+ listeners.


You totally don't get it. There are thousands of web radio stations.
They are growing and you are bleeding.

You were partially right a few weeks ago; talk is going to FM. The
music is going to the web.


You don't even know who you are replying to.