David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
iBiquity simply confirmed that the HD system was capable of
addressing receivers were this a requested feature. At present, I
do not believe any radio in production is addressable.

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Nice try. That's not the suject of this convesation. And your
continuing attempt to divert the discussion to your denials of fact
say a lot about the intent of much of what you've posted in this
forum.


Right now, no chip and no receiver is adressable. in other words,
there is no way in hell to do paid services on HD today or in the
near future.


ROFLMAO.

Still avoiding the point. You're denying today what iBiquity
themselves have publicly have stated as a goal. And are currently
testing. And that's AUDIO, David. Not just data.



"Services that could be made possible through RadioGuard include
pay-per-listen options for live concerts or other events, improved
reading services for the blind, private channels for emergency services,
and free opt-in events sponsored by advertisers. So HD Radio will not
just be competing with satellite radio for listening time, but soon will
be competing for subscription dollars as well."



iBiquity themselves are proving you're not as intimately connected as
you claim. Which make your arguments shilling HD are largely irrelevant,
as either mis- or dis- information.

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
iBiquity simply confirmed that the HD system was capable of
addressing receivers were this a requested feature. At present, I
do not believe any radio in production is addressable.

.

Nice try. That's not the suject of this convesation. And your continuing
attempt to divert the discussion to your denials of fact
say a lot about the intent of much of what you've posted in this
forum.


Right now, no chip and no receiver is adressable. in other words,
there is no way in hell to do paid services on HD today or in the
near future.


ROFLMAO.

Still avoiding the point. You're denying today what iBiquity
themselves have publicly have stated as a goal. And are currently
testing. And that's AUDIO, David. Not just data.

I have never heard the supposed chant that the goal is to go all digital.
iBiquity made the system backward compatible on AM and FM, in fact. It's the
FCC that has spoken of an all digital world. I don't know of a single person
in radio who wants this today.



"Services that could be made possible through RadioGuard include
pay-per-listen options for live concerts or other events, improved
reading services for the blind, private channels for emergency services,
and free opt-in events sponsored by advertisers. So HD Radio will not
just be competing with satellite radio for listening time, but soon will
be competing for subscription dollars as well."

"Could" means the sytem can be designed in the future to do such things. So
far, there is no broadcaster interest, as things like FMeXtra are more
attractive options and compatible with HD.


iBiquity themselves are proving you're not as intimately connected as
you claim. Which make your arguments shilling HD are largely irrelevant,
as either mis- or dis- information.


The system, the chips, the radios, the transmitters are all incompatible
which subscription services today. iBiquity can tell us that they can make
transmitters fly and oink like pigs, but unless we, the broadcasters, want
it, it will not be implemented.

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
iBiquity simply confirmed that the HD system was capable of
addressing receivers were this a requested feature. At present, I
do not believe any radio in production is addressable.
.
Nice try. That's not the suject of this convesation. And your continuing
attempt to divert the discussion to your denials of fact
say a lot about the intent of much of what you've posted in this
forum.

Right now, no chip and no receiver is adressable. in other words,
there is no way in hell to do paid services on HD today or in the
near future.

ROFLMAO.

Still avoiding the point. You're denying today what iBiquity
themselves have publicly have stated as a goal. And are currently
testing. And that's AUDIO, David. Not just data.

I have never heard the supposed chant that the goal is to go all digital.
iBiquity made the system backward compatible on AM and FM, in fact.


Then you have exposed yourself as a fraud, Brother. iBiquity has
stated their goal was to make broadcasting all digital in their first
press release, and in damned near every appearance by Struble since.

If you're not aware of that, then you're not who, or what, you claim.

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
iBiquity simply confirmed that the HD system was capable of
addressing receivers were this a requested feature. At present, I
do not believe any radio in production is addressable.
.
Nice try. That's not the suject of this convesation. And your
continuing attempt to divert the discussion to your denials of fact
say a lot about the intent of much of what you've posted in this
forum.

Right now, no chip and no receiver is adressable. in other words,
there is no way in hell to do paid services on HD today or in the
near future.

ROFLMAO.

Still avoiding the point. You're denying today what iBiquity
themselves have publicly have stated as a goal. And are currently
testing. And that's AUDIO, David. Not just data.

I have never heard the supposed chant that the goal is to go all digital.
iBiquity made the system backward compatible on AM and FM, in fact.


Then you have exposed yourself as a fraud, Brother. iBiquity has stated
their goal was to make broadcasting all digital in their first press
release, and in damned near every appearance by Struble since.

If you're not aware of that, then you're not who, or what, you claim.

Anyone knows that pure digital is a decade away, if ever, on FM. And a
decade from now AM will likely not exist as we know it.

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
iBiquity simply confirmed that the HD system was capable of
addressing receivers were this a requested feature. At present, I
do not believe any radio in production is addressable.
.
Nice try. That's not the suject of this convesation. And your
continuing attempt to divert the discussion to your denials of fact
say a lot about the intent of much of what you've posted in this
forum.
Right now, no chip and no receiver is adressable. in other words,
there is no way in hell to do paid services on HD today or in the
near future.
ROFLMAO.

Still avoiding the point. You're denying today what iBiquity
themselves have publicly have stated as a goal. And are currently
testing. And that's AUDIO, David. Not just data.
I have never heard the supposed chant that the goal is to go all digital.
iBiquity made the system backward compatible on AM and FM, in fact.

Then you have exposed yourself as a fraud, Brother. iBiquity has stated
their goal was to make broadcasting all digital in their first press
release, and in damned near every appearance by Struble since.

If you're not aware of that, then you're not who, or what, you claim.

Anyone knows that pure digital is a decade away, if ever, on FM. And a
decade from now AM will likely not exist as we know it.



Once again, not the conversation at hand.

You really do act more like a shill, every day. Not really addressing
the point, but changing the subject to assert not that it's not
happening, but that it's not happening NOW. Your way of saying that we
should acceed to this strategy because the undesireable outcome is a
decade away.

LOL!.

You have exposed yourself for what you really are, David. And, in
the process, what you really are not.

Have a good evening.


p

Admitting,

D Peter Maus wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
news
Frank Dresser wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in
message
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[snip]
Is that would be the vaporware chip-set and the BS software?

Oh, set us straight on the details with some links please.

It would seem, in the HD radio biz, that no plan happens until it
happens.

From about a year ago:

"RadioGuard-capable radio receivers are planned to be introduced to
the market by the holidays."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/ibiquity-to-int.html

Frank Dresser




Not also, in direct conflict to David's denial, that the conditional
access specifically includes subscription access to audio content.

I've never heard of pay per program or pay per channel propositions;

That's false on it's face. We discussed them here. I fact, Frank was
the one who came up with the information that testing was underway, and
you acknowledged that he was correct.

And here, iBiquity's own sources are admitting that program test is
underway.

Now, you claim to have all this inside information about HD. And here
iBiquity is openly discussig conditional access and subscription
programming for HD.

Yet, you've not heard of it? How is it you have all the details on
upcoming technology from vendors, but have no idea about iBiquity's own
testing projects?

C'mon, David...either you're an informed broadcaster or your not.
Either way, you're not telling the truth about something

That's our 'Eduardo'!

dxAce wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
news Frank Dresser wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in
message
...


[snip]
Is that would be the vaporware chip-set and the BS software?

Oh, set us straight on the details with some links please.

It would seem, in the HD radio biz, that no plan happens until it
happens.

From about a year ago:

"RadioGuard-capable radio receivers are planned to be introduced to
the market by the holidays."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/ibiquity-to-int.html

Frank Dresser



Not also, in direct conflict to David's denial, that the conditional
access specifically includes subscription access to audio content.
I've never heard of pay per program or pay per channel propositions;
That's false on it's face. We discussed them here. I fact, Frank was
the one who came up with the information that testing was underway, and
you acknowledged that he was correct.

And here, iBiquity's own sources are admitting that program test is
underway.

Now, you claim to have all this inside information about HD. And here
iBiquity is openly discussig conditional access and subscription
programming for HD.

Yet, you've not heard of it? How is it you have all the details on
upcoming technology from vendors, but have no idea about iBiquity's own
testing projects?

C'mon, David...either you're an informed broadcaster or your not.
Either way, you're not telling the truth about something

That's our 'Eduardo'!




No kidding.

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

Anyone knows that pure digital is a decade away, if ever, on FM. And a
decade from now AM will likely not exist as we know it.

Once again, not the conversation at hand.

Of course it is. It's all about the ability to predict the future.

Let's say that BMW does a press conference about the new 1 series, and a
dumb journalist asks if the 1 will fit in the Space Shuttle. The BMW guy,
spotting a promotional opportunity, says that they will test the fit... and
later announces that, indeed, the 1 series BMW will fit in the Space
Shuttle. Of course, there is no useful purpose in putting a car in orbit, so
we don't hear any more about this. BMW got some press, though.

The same thing applies to paid or lockied services via HD. There is no
business model for paid programming (defined as audio, whether originally
digital, analog or pig grunts) on individual HD channels. There are better
and cheaper was of providing non-program data streams, like traffic infor.
So there is no demand for either locked progrmming or data. But there is the
ability to provide same, and iBiquity got some publicity out of this... it
made you pay attention, didn't it?

You really do act more like a shill, every day. Not really addressing
the point, but changing the subject to assert not that it's not happening,
but that it's not happening NOW. Your way of saying that we should acceed
to this strategy because the undesireable outcome is a decade away.

A shill is someone paid to hawk something. I don't qualify. I do, however,
have an interest in putting free radio into all and any new distribution
channels, and HD is one of them. So are WiMax and related technologies, and
unless radio gets into all of them, they run the risk of not having a
position in the next new standard of delivery. And that is because it is
certain that AM has a finite and relatively short life and FM will last
longer, but divided with other delivery methods.

My interests are based on the future of radio, unlinked to the distribution.
I hope HD works, but I also hope the industry covers all other bases too.

David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
Anyone knows that pure digital is a decade away, if ever, on FM. And a
decade from now AM will likely not exist as we know it.
Once again, not the conversation at hand.

Of course it is. It's all about the ability to predict the future.


No. It's not.

It's about you claiming one thing. iBiquity saying that you're wrong.

It's about you saying you've not heard of conditional access
programming on HD and you having participated in a conversation a year
ago in this very forum where it was presented in iBiquity's own
announcement that conditional access programming was under test.

It's about YOU claiming to have trade secret, proprietary information
about HD technology, from third party producers, and yet being unaware
of iBiquity's own stated intentions and current projects under test for
the technology.


Bottom line: It's NOT about the ability to predict the future. This
conversation has been about what's going on RIGHT NOW.


And in that, so far, by your own statements in conflict with
iBiquity's own words, you've not been telling the truth.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

Anyone knows that pure digital is a decade away, if ever, on FM. And a
decade from now AM will likely not exist as we know it.

Once again, not the conversation at hand.

Of course it is. It's all about the ability to predict the future.

Let's say that BMW does a press conference about the new 1 series, and a
dumb journalist asks if the 1 will fit in the Space Shuttle. The BMW guy,
spotting a promotional opportunity, says that they will test the fit... and
later announces that, indeed, the 1 series BMW will fit in the Space
Shuttle. Of course, there is no useful purpose in putting a car in orbit, so
we don't hear any more about this. BMW got some press, though.

SNIP

Well that settles it. Your posts belong in orbit along with the BMW.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California