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PONG : Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . about WindowCar Antennas . . .
On May 24, 10:50*am, Telamon
wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On May 21, 8:29*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: SNIP - I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF SNIP OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be good. *. Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling. Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't backup in any way. PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit© I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car. Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna had Good overall Reception. Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception. Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and both have Radio Reception problems driving down the Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other' two Cars do not. waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF |
PONG : Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . aboutWindow Car Antennas . . .
On May 25, 4:29*pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote: On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: SNIP - I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF SNIP OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be good. *. Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling. Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't backup in any way. PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit© I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car. Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna had Good overall Reception. Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception. Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and both have Radio Reception problems driving down the Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other' two Cars do not. waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF *. * *Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs were created to resolve a reception issue. * *The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the length of the whip. Both problems solved. * *But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage. And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes. The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost of some fringe performance. * *One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system. * *Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over for years. * *But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DPM, To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single {Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception. IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna. ~ RHF |
PONG : Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . aboutWindow Car Antennas . . .
On May 25, 5:39*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , *D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: SNIP - I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF SNIP OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be good. *. Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling. Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't backup in any way. PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit© I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car. Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna had Good overall Reception. Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception. Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and both have Radio Reception problems driving down the Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other' two Cars do not. waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF *. * *Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs were created to resolve a reception issue. * *The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the length of the whip. Both problems solved. * *But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage. And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes. The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost of some fringe performance. * *One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system. * *Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over for years. * *But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of radios to cars built without them. I have a rear window antenna on my current car and it works well on FM and AM. I get very good distant station reception and around here with the low rolling coastal hills and big mountain ranges the reception is as good as one could hope for in a car. For example the 5KW KOGO in San Diego comes in like a local station during the daytime from 168 miles away. If I'm going up the highway 33 to Ojai the distant stations disappear or come in poorly but a whip antenna will not make that any better. I like cars without an external whip antenna. The outside design is cleaner. The best solution to the vandalism problem is a motor retractable whip antenna if you have one. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon - YMMV Both of the In-the-Window tiny-wire Antennas loose the signal coming down the country-lane road to the House and the Radio goes silent. While both of the Whip Antennas still hold their Signal and you can still listen to those Car's Radios in the Drive Way. But then I have to use a Single-Turn 70-Foot Triangle Loop Antenna with the Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio to get it to pick-up any AM/MW HD-Radio Stations. this is an RF challenging location ~ RHF |
PONG : Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . aboutWindow Car Antennas . . .
RHF wrote:
On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon wrote: In article , RHF wrote: On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , RHF wrote: SNIP - I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF SNIP OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be good. . Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling. Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't backup in any way. PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit© I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car. Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna had Good overall Reception. Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception. Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and both have Radio Reception problems driving down the Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other' two Cars do not. waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF . Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs were created to resolve a reception issue. The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the length of the whip. Both problems solved. But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage. And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes. The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost of some fringe performance. One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system. Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over for years. But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DPM, To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single {Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception. IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna. ~ RHF . In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio. Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance. Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value appearance over performance, in very nearly every application. If radio reception performance was an issue to the public, every home would have an external antenna, no HOA CC&R would contain an antenna restriction, and IBOC wouldn't have been permitted to get past the first few paragraphs of the initial proposal abstract. Sadly, this isn't the case. There are those who still insist that a well designed TV wouldn't need an antenna, that indoor antennae can be made to be as effective as externals, that radio antennae are unnecessary aberrations on the Divine Scheme, and that real men drive Priuses. |
PONG : Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . about Window Car Antennas . . .
In article ,
D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon wrote: In article , RHF wrote: On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , RHF wrote: SNIP - I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF SNIP OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be good. . Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling. Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't backup in any way. PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit© I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car. Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna had Good overall Reception. Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception. Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and both have Radio Reception problems driving down the Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other' two Cars do not. waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF . Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs were created to resolve a reception issue. The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the length of the whip. Both problems solved. But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage. And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes. The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost of some fringe performance. One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system. Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over for years. But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DPM, To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single {Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception. IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna. ~ RHF . In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio. I bought the highest upgrade sound system the manufacturer offered. There were no radio specifications to look over in any event just the audio specifications so I took my chances and it turned out OK. Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance. Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value appearance over performance, in very nearly every application. My choices are to read RHF advocating CAT LITTER in the ground system here or read the nincompoops in amateur antenna group talk about electrons sloshing back and forth in the coax due to VSWR. It takes real effort to be that far off base. If radio reception performance was an issue to the public, every home would have an external antenna, no HOA CC&R would contain an antenna restriction, and IBOC wouldn't have been permitted to get past the first few paragraphs of the initial proposal abstract. Sadly, this isn't the case. There are those who still insist that a well designed TV wouldn't need an antenna, that indoor antennae can be made to be as effective as externals, that radio antennae are unnecessary aberrations on the Divine Scheme, and that real men drive Priuses. And eat Quiche while they are driving the Prius. TV's could work perfectly fine with an internal antenna I just don't think people would want to live in an environment that RF saturated or be forced to live within a mile or two of the transmitter. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
PONG : Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . aboutWindow Car Antennas . . .
On May 26, 5:04*am, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote: On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: SNIP - I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF SNIP OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be good. *. Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling. Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't backup in any way. PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit© I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car. Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna had Good overall Reception. Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception. Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and both have Radio Reception problems driving down the Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other' two Cars do not. waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF *. * *Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs were created to resolve a reception issue. * *The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the length of the whip. Both problems solved. * *But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage. And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes. The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost of some fringe performance. * *One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system. * *Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over for years. * *But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DPM, To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single {Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception. IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna. ~ RHF *. * *In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio. * Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance.. Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value appearance over performance, in very nearly every application. * *If radio reception performance was an issue to the public, every home would have an external antenna, no HOA CC&R would contain an antenna restriction, and IBOC wouldn't have been permitted to get past the first few paragraphs of the initial proposal abstract. Sadly, this isn't the case. There are those who still insist that a well designed TV wouldn't need an antenna, that indoor antennae can be made to be as effective as externals, that radio antennae are unnecessary aberrations on the Divine Scheme, and that real men drive Priuses.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DPM - You should copyright this line ~ RHF "Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance." * We live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance. * * A culture of highly cultivated ignorance.. |
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On May 26, 11:05*am, Telamon
wrote: In article , *D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: SNIP - I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF SNIP OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be good. *. Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling. Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't backup in any way. PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit© I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car. Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna had Good overall Reception. Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception. Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and both have Radio Reception problems driving down the Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other' two Cars do not. waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF *. * *Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs were created to resolve a reception issue. * *The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the length of the whip. Both problems solved. * *But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage.. And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes.. The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost of some fringe performance. * *One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system. * *Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over for years. * *But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DPM, To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single {Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception. IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna. ~ RHF *. * *In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio. I bought the highest upgrade sound system the manufacturer offered. There were no radio specifications to look over in any event just the audio specifications so I took my chances and it turned out OK. * *Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance. Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value appearance over performance, in very nearly every application. - My choices are to read RHF advocating CAT LITTER - in the ground system here Telamon - It has it's technical merits. "Great Ground with Kitten Litter -by- Guy Atkins -source- HCDX List, August 10, 2000 http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...bentonite.html Bentonite -aka- Cat/Kitty Litter -he notes- There was a IEEE paper written some years ago about Bentonite grounds. - or read the nincompoops in amateur antenna group - talk about electrons sloshing back and forth in the - coax due to VSWR. Telamon - I might call them Hams of just plan boring to Listen to... -but- The word 'nincompoops' does not come to my mind when I think of Amateur Radio Operators. -plus- If you are really interested in the technical aspects of Amateur Radio Antennas with a fair measure of practical know how the Rec Radio "Amateur Antenna" Group is a good place to go for an Answer and do some learning. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...ateur.antenna/ To Be Honest Telamon - I think that the Good {Knowledgeable} Members of the Rec Radio "Amateur Antenna" Newsgroup have handed you your Hat too many times and you simply can not hang-with-them. -ps- I know that I can't. Telamon- I quess I will have to add 'nincompoops' to the List of Names that you enjoy calling 'other' Posters : Retard, Moron, Idiot, and now Nincompoops. Honestly how did calling them 'nincompoops' elevate your status here or your own personal wellbeing ?? It takes real effort to be that far off base. * *If radio reception performance was an issue to the public, every home would have an external antenna, no HOA CC&R would contain an antenna restriction, and IBOC wouldn't have been permitted to get past the first few paragraphs of the initial proposal abstract. Sadly, this isn't the case. There are those who still insist that a well designed TV wouldn't need an antenna, that indoor antennae can be made to be as effective as externals, that radio antennae are unnecessary aberrations on the Divine Scheme, and that real men drive Priuses. And eat Quiche while they are driving the Prius. TV's could work perfectly fine with an internal antenna I just don't think people would want to live in an environment that RF saturated or be forced to live within a mile or two of the transmitter. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
PONG : Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . aboutWindow Car Antennas . . .
RHF wrote:
On May 26, 5:04 am, D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon wrote: In article , RHF wrote: On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , RHF wrote: SNIP - I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF SNIP OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be good. . Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling. Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't backup in any way. PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit© I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car. Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna had Good overall Reception. Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception. Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and both have Radio Reception problems driving down the Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other' two Cars do not. waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF . Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs were created to resolve a reception issue. The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the length of the whip. Both problems solved. But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage. And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes. The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost of some fringe performance. One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system. Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over for years. But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DPM, To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single {Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception. IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna. ~ RHF . In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio. Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance.. Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value appearance over performance, in very nearly every application. If radio reception performance was an issue to the public, every home would have an external antenna, no HOA CC&R would contain an antenna restriction, and IBOC wouldn't have been permitted to get past the first few paragraphs of the initial proposal abstract. Sadly, this isn't the case. There are those who still insist that a well designed TV wouldn't need an antenna, that indoor antennae can be made to be as effective as externals, that radio antennae are unnecessary aberrations on the Divine Scheme, and that real men drive Priuses.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DPM - You should copyright this line ~ RHF "Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance." * We live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance. * * A culture of highly cultivated ignorance.. . It's not the sort of thing anyone of us should be proud of. |
RHF gets it wrong yet again. No big surprise.
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, RHF wrote: On May 26, 11:05*am, Telamon wrote: In article , *D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: SNIP - I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF SNIP OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be good. *. Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling. Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't backup in any way. PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit© I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car. Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna had Good overall Reception. Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception. Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and both have Radio Reception problems driving down the Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other' two Cars do not. waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF *. * *Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs were created to resolve a reception issue. * *The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the length of the whip. Both problems solved. * *But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage. And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes. The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost of some fringe performance. * *One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system. * *Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over for years. * *But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DPM, To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single {Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception. IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna. ~ RHF *. * *In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio. I bought the highest upgrade sound system the manufacturer offered. There were no radio specifications to look over in any event just the audio specifications so I took my chances and it turned out OK. * *Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance. Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value appearance over performance, in very nearly every application. - My choices are to read RHF advocating CAT LITTER - in the ground system here Telamon - It has it's technical merits. "Great Ground with Kitten Litter -by- Guy Atkins -source- HCDX List, August 10, 2000 http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx...bentonite.html Bentonite -aka- Cat/Kitty Litter -he notes- There was a IEEE paper written some years ago about Bentonite grounds. - or read the nincompoops in amateur antenna group - talk about electrons sloshing back and forth in the - coax due to VSWR. Telamon - I might call them Hams of just plan boring to Listen to... -but- The word 'nincompoops' does not come to my mind when I think of Amateur Radio Operators. -plus- If you are really interested in the technical aspects of Amateur Radio Antennas with a fair measure of practical know how the Rec Radio "Amateur Antenna" Group is a good place to go for an Answer and do some learning. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...ateur.antenna/ To Be Honest Telamon - I think that the Good {Knowledgeable} Members of the Rec Radio "Amateur Antenna" Newsgroup have handed you your Hat too many times and you simply can not hang-with-them. -ps- I know that I can't. There is a difference between knowing facts and understanding. Some people in that news group have the former but none have the later. I never had "my hat handed" to me. Telamon- I quess I will have to add 'nincompoops' to the List of Names that you enjoy calling 'other' Posters : Retard, Moron, Idiot, and now Nincompoops. No I don't enjoy it. Maybe you do. Honestly how did calling them 'nincompoops' elevate your status here or your own personal wellbeing ?? There are several nincompoops no better than you that post there nearly everyday. My status? What the hell do you mean by that? Whatever screwed up idea you have going there has nothing to do with me. You still don't get it do you. There are news groups. You post news and information as a public resource. If you are not doing that then get lost. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
PONG : Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . about Window Car Antennas . . .
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, RHF wrote: On May 26, 5:04*am, D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 25, 4:29 pm, D Peter Maus wrote: RHF wrote: On May 24, 10:50 am, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On May 21, 8:29 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: SNIP - I have the antenna that is in the rear window.. Auto Rear Window Antenna . . . ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF SNIP OK news group retard. I missed the joke. Please explain what is so funny about rear window car antennas as many cars have them? This should be good. *. Teli-Tard© - Poluting another On-Topic Thread with Your Personal Attacks and Name Calling. Yeah, right news group retard. Spew your usual crap that you can't backup in any way. PONG : Telamon from Teli-Tard© to TelaMonkey© to Tela-Twit© I'm so I'm a a twit posting off topic? I asked you a straight forward on topic question news group retard. See if you can answer it. You can't answer it of course because you are retarded but give it a shot anyway. -- Telamon Ventura, California- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Telamon - Please Enlighten Me -if- You Can . . . To-Date : I have not found one In-the-Window Car Antenna that performs as well as a simple Whip Antenna on a Car. Must have been in 20~25 Cars over the years with the Tiny-Wire-in-the-Glass "Window" Antennas and most of them had poor to no reception where a Whip Antenna had Good overall Reception. Applies equally to both AM & FM Radio Reception. Presently have two Cars with Window Antennas and both have Radio Reception problems driving down the Freeway-of-Life {Highway-of-Happiness} where the 'other' two Cars do not. waiting for the great-one to speak ~ RHF *. * *Actually, Roy, the antenna-in-the-window was created to solve two problems, and one design cue issue. Although, two such antenna designs were created to resolve a reception issue. * *The antenna-in-the-window solves the problem of mechanical and wind noise associated with the airflow around a whip at highway speed. The whip, at speed, vibrates, which creates mechanical noise. It also whistles, which can be really annoying. Chrysler solved these problems by sleeving the whip. GM broke up the airflow with a spiral ridge up the length of the whip. Both problems solved. * *But it didn't solve the primary issue....vandalism. Inner city owners have been plagued with seasons of external antenna theft and breakage. And attendant body damage caused when the fender flexes under the strain off a whip being broken off. Similar damage occurs in some car washes. The window antenna eliminates all of these problems. Albeit at the cost of some fringe performance. * *One Japanese manufacturer, I think it was Honda, created a two element window antenna that was supposed to reduce multipath interference. This similar to a design in which Chrysler used a window antenna and a whip as a diversity reception system. * *Stylistically speaking, the window antenna cleans up the design of the vehicle. Something designers have been scratching their heads over for years. * *But the window antenna isn't a new concept. The first car antennae were loops hidden in a non metalic panel in the roof of the car. The whip was a cost effective alternative that was also easier to manufacture and install. It also permitted aftermarket addition of radios to cars built without them.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DPM, To my way of thinking an Antenna has a single {Primary} Function : Improved Radio Reception. IMHO - The In-the-Window Antenna's tiny-wires can't 'whip' the Whip Antenna. ~ RHF *. * *In most cases, true. But, like myself, your primary consideration is effective reception. We are of a small minority. Most car buyers take the radio for granted. Most don't recognize reception performance deficits. The radio is an appliance. They turn it on, if the lights light, it's working and all is well. Real performance evaluations rarely happen. More attention is paid to the thunder produced by the subwoofer than anything relating to radio reception. Cars are bought for their lines, their features, and their price. Not the radio. * Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance.. Radio antennas are barely understood by practitioners of radiocraft, let alone the general public. And cutural norms have been shaped to value appearance over performance, in very nearly every application. * *If radio reception performance was an issue to the public, every home would have an external antenna, no HOA CC&R would contain an antenna restriction, and IBOC wouldn't have been permitted to get past the first few paragraphs of the initial proposal abstract. Sadly, this isn't the case. There are those who still insist that a well designed TV wouldn't need an antenna, that indoor antennae can be made to be as effective as externals, that radio antennae are unnecessary aberrations on the Divine Scheme, and that real men drive Priuses.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - DPM - You should copyright this line ~ RHF "Keep in mind we live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance." * We live in a culture of highly cultivated ignorance. * * A culture of highly cultivated ignorance.. . Yeah, I give you permission to use RHF's picture next to it. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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