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On Tue, 20 May 2008 22:20:39 -0400, BDK wrote:

In article MCJYj.4003$KB3.2026@edtnps91, says...
On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:38:10 -0700, David wrote:

Save Windows XP! The clock is ticking



Microsoft will end OEM and shrink-wrapped sales of Windows XP on June
30, 2008,

So what!, you can use XP as long as you want to. You don't HAVE to get
Vista. It's a myth that we have to keep up with the latest hardware and
software. If your system is producing satsfactory results, why change???
You could be using 98SE and the same thing applies.
So your choice is simple, keep XP or get a real operating system !!

The whole point is that people who build PCs don't want XP to go away.


Bob

The manual said to install Windows Vista or better...
So I installed Debian.

To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Window$
box, you just need to work on it.


I have a few friends who went to Linux a while back when they built new
PC's. They all went back to XP after a while. Too many hassles to do
stuff they wanted to do. I've dealt with a few clients at work running
Linux, and sometimes the simplest thing is a pain in the ass to
accomplish. Finding a solution IS slightly easier than using Microsoft's
so called help, so that's a plus for it.

Yeah. I tried Linux a few years back. Very clunky to install (and the version I
had was sold as easy installation). In the end I had to ignore the installation
instructions completely and manually install it. Once going it showed potential,
but as you say, things that should have been simple to do were just too much of
a pain in the arse.

Using Vista now and after the initial "Why do I have to do it your way?" and
"How do I change this back to the way I like it?" it seems to be ok.

Shill #2
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The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they
start making vacuum cleaners.
Ernst Jan Plugge


I had a major Vista mystery at work yesterday, when trying to set up
someone's PC to use a dialup connection as a back up, in case the LAN
and WIFI wasn't available while they traveled. What a mess, it came up
with some oddball error messages saying that "Error 2- a device
connected to the remote computer was disconnected". This was nonsense,
the number they were dialing into worked fine. For some reason,
recreating the connection a second time, after a shutdown and reboot,
solves it. That was my third case of this in two weeks. Googling the
error came up with the same error using different connection methods
with some pretty complicated cures.

I really don't get why MS moved and changed the names of things, and
getting rid of identities in Outlook Express has to be one of the all
time biggest bonehead moves ever.

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Shill #1

On May 20, 10:14 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in ...

enigma wrote:
You DO know there are better alternatives, don't you?

Nothing beats Windows for GAMING.

Apparently. Appropriate for a play O/S.

I have nothing personally against Linux builds... but they're totally
useless to me. There is no software for my webstation that will run on it,
nor are there versions of much of the other software I have and use
constantly. Aside from that, as was brought up before, the simplest thing
to do in XP is a major PITA in Linux, unless you are practically a
command-level user: Installing new software. I have tried at least 8
different iterations of Linux, and each of them has been a major headache,
telling me things like "you need this file in order to install this other
file" or simple networking that refuses to see anything else on our LAN
(though it does pop right up onto the web... )

The issue of having to load various programs to get a tarball to
compile is very true. A good program will have documentation
indicating what should be loaded for a successful compilation. But
this isn't the end of the world.

Suse linux is pretty bullet proof.

David wrote:
On May 20, 8:48 pm, Radioguy wrote:
On May 20, 2:38 pm, David wrote:



Save Windows XP! The clock is ticking
Microsoft will end OEM and shrink-wrapped sales of Windows XP on June
30, 2008,
forcing users to shift to Vista.
Don't let that happen!
please go to the link below
and sigh the petition to Save Windows XP.
http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/
After you've done all this, please consider sending this message to
all your
friends; everywhere
Thanks;
About 200,000 ( Two Hundred Thousand) other people who've already
signed the petition to Save Windows XP.
http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/
PS:
Here's a little video for your enjoyment, entitled " Vista Sucks"
http://blimptv.blogspot.com/2007/11/vista-sucks.html
and some statistics on old, reliable Windows XP Being FASTER than
Vista.
http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2007/11...vista-w2gb-ram...
- so Please help save Windows XP
Thanks
I do not understand. If Microsoft ends OEM and shrinkwrapped sales of
Windows XP, how does that force users to switch to Vista. Users of XP
already have the software - why would they want another set.

There is no reason to get excited about OS phaseouts. They are
inevitable, but you do have the luxury of waiting - unless of course
you are one of those who waits in line at Best Buy each time software
makers release a new version.

If you want an OS that doesn't run as much software then go with Apple
or Linux. Otherwise just hang in there with your XP.

Yuo better back up you r Hard Drive, or get a new one & back it up to
That;
;Hard drives do die;

So? If that happens just change it and reinstall the OS that came with
the machine. It's hardly the biggest disaster in the world.

You should do backups anyway of course!

Brenda Ann wrote:
I have nothing personally against Linux builds... but they're totally
useless to me. There is no software for my webstation that will run on it,
nor are there versions of much of the other software I have and use
constantly. Aside from that, as was brought up before, the simplest thing
to do in XP is a major PITA in Linux, unless you are practically a
command-level user: Installing new software. I have tried at least 8
different iterations of Linux, and each of them has been a major headache,
telling me things like "you need this file in order to install this other
file" or simple networking that refuses to see anything else on our LAN
(though it does pop right up onto the web... )

One of many possibilities to ease that pain is Gentoo.

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Bob Hyam wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:38:10 -0700, David wrote:
Microsoft will end OEM and shrink-wrapped sales of Windows XP on June
30, 2008,

So what!, you can use XP as long as you want to. You don't HAVE to get
Vista.

That is, unless you buy a computer that's infested with Vista after June
30, 2008 and try to get XP to make the computer usable.

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D Peter Maus wrote:
harvey wrote:
On May 20, 8:00 pm, Bob Hya
To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Window$
box, you just need to work on it.

- why does Linux install with RECOVER MODE


He didn't say it doesn't happen. He only said that it's more
difficult than Windows, which collapses with very little provocation.

I didn't get harvey's article, but has anyone verified that such a thing
("RECOVER MODE") actually exists? I never heard of it.

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"dave" wrote in message
...
Brenda Ann wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
enigma wrote:
You DO know there are better alternatives, don't you?


Nothing beats Windows for GAMING.


Apparently. Appropriate for a play O/S.



I have nothing personally against Linux builds... but they're totally
useless to me. There is no software for my webstation that will run on
it, nor are there versions of much of the other software I have and use
constantly. Aside from that, as was brought up before, the simplest
thing to do in XP is a major PITA in Linux, unless you are practically a
command-level user: Installing new software. I have tried at least 8
different iterations of Linux, and each of them has been a major
headache, telling me things like "you need this file in order to install
this other file" or simple networking that refuses to see anything else
on our LAN (though it does pop right up onto the web... )



That's strange. A lot of people use Linux for streaming:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icecast

You need a distro that supports Synaptic; it finds and loads all
dependencies needed to effortlessly install an application.

www.ubuntu.com

While it is true that many do use Linux builds for streaming, it is not true
that they use Linux builds to stream to Live365 (which, ATM, AFAIK, is the
only LEGAL streamer), because their system doesn't support Linux
applications (yet). I use a $600+ professional automation application which
has no peers for Linux or Mac. If it did, and they wouldn't charge me again
for the thing, I might consider going Linux. However, the stability of my XP
box (a Toughbook CF-29 laptop) has been nothing short of astounding. I don't
think I've rebooted the thing in nearly a year, and it's sitting there
happily running the automation software and creating two streams (one low
bitrate for dialups, one high bitrate for broadband) all this time, while
using only about 70% of it's available resources, and this mostly for the
audio processing software.

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BDK wrote:
In article MCJYj.4003$KB3.2026@edtnps91, says...
On Tue, 20 May 2008 11:38:10 -0700, David wrote:

Save Windows XP! The clock is ticking



Microsoft will end OEM and shrink-wrapped sales of Windows XP on June
30, 2008,

So what!, you can use XP as long as you want to. You don't HAVE to get
Vista. It's a myth that we have to keep up with the latest hardware and
software. If your system is producing satsfactory results, why change???
You could be using 98SE and the same thing applies.
So your choice is simple, keep XP or get a real operating system !!

The whole point is that people who build PCs don't want XP to go away.

Bob

The manual said to install Windows Vista or better...
So I installed Debian.

To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Window$
box, you just need to work on it.


I have a few friends who went to Linux a while back when they built new
PC's. They all went back to XP after a while. Too many hassles to do
stuff they wanted to do. I've dealt with a few clients at work running
Linux, and sometimes the simplest thing is a pain in the ass to
accomplish. Finding a solution IS slightly easier than using Microsoft's
so called help, so that's a plus for it.

What flavor of Linux? Some distros are pure torture; others are more
intuitive than Macintosh.


Oh god, don't get me started on MACs. Does Apple make more than one
computer with exactly the same OS? It's mind boggling how they have the
supposed same OS version, and things are just differently placed enough
to make setting up a network connection a hassle while on the phone with
a clueless user. Two MAC addicts at work have identical model laptops,
with the same OS version, and they aren't the same, even though the
serial numbers are very close. Network settings are in different places,
and even they don't understand it.

And when MACs screw up, they screw up BIG. I would rather deal with the
usually easy to fix PC issues than a screwed up MAC. Sadly, I have to
deal with both at work. I never knew how much I have come to like XP,
until Vista came out.

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David wrote:
On May 21, 4:19 pm, clifto wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:


- why does Linux install with RECOVER MODE
I didn't get harvey's article, but has anyone verified that such a thing
("RECOVER MODE") actually exists? I never heard of it.

--

D Peter Maus wrote:
harvey wrote:
On May 20, 8:00 pm, Bob Hya
To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Window$
box, you just need to work on it.

- why does Linux install with RECOVER MODE

He didn't say it doesn't happen. He only said that it's more
difficult than Windows, which collapses with very little provocation.

I didn't get harvey's article, but has anyone verified that such a
thing
("RECOVER MODE") actually exists? I never heard of it.

"Recovery Mode" in Linux


When you boot up in a "Dual Boot" Linux ( flavor) / XP machine

the first line is the Linux (Ex: Ubuntu Kernel...)

the second line,one line down is

( Linux "Flavor" ) Recovery Mode

Recovery Mode is for when you do something trivial that trashes the
User friendly Linux shell

Linux Is really Not For Computer Novices !

You are now in Kernighan and Richie / Linus Tovarich territory.

Unless you are familiar with Linux / UNIX / Terminal Windows

You now have a fancy paper Weight, unless you learn Linux Internals-
- which most folks don't have time for.


Windows XP is Used as Infrastructure by Millions AND MILLIONS of
businesses around the world,

Vista is so badly flawed you cannot reliably post to Yahoo With it.


Microsoft Forcing Vista on us who buy a new PC is like installing a
new super highway with huge potholes

every 100 feet.



Please.

Petition Microsoft Just to allow us simple folks

the choice of

buying a new machine with a stable Operating System ( Windows XP ) on
it


please go to the link below

and sign the petition to Save Windows XP.

http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/



Thank you

What a load of hooey. **** Microsoft. They are assholes and don't
deserve my money.

Posted by: tuxinator at February 17, 2008 05:56 AM

I've used all windows variants from 2.0, and with only a few
exceptions haven't had major issues with any

of them. And I've NEVER written anything about software good or bad
anywhere until now. This is my first

ever post anywhere on the 'Net. Neither have I used Vista, but have
fixed about 8 PCs with Vista installed

ex-shop. All have complained about slowness - bootup, software loading
and general use:


even on one high-end Core Duo 2.0gHz machine.

I'm planning to stay with XP until it falls over from old age. Mine's
a P4 2.8, 1.5gb RAM, 180GB

SATA HDD, etc etc. Was latest tech when I bought it about 2.5 years
ago, so I think it'll last for a

while yet. (Proviso being part availability.)

If there's not something less of a HOG than Vista around at the time
I'll seriously look at an

Open Source alternative, even though I haven't got a clue on
installing and configuring

it at the moment. HOG used to mean "Harley Owners' Group", but now
seems to have been overshadowed

by Vista.

Why oh why did Microsoft release such a load of rubbish -