"Dave" wrote in message
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Pete KE9OA wrote:

Linux is still my favorite operating platform, but unfortunately, it is
incompatible with the electrical engineering programs that I use. When it
eventually grows up, I thing Linux will be the way to go.

Adolescence? Prepubescence?

http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/electronics/

Probably is. A simple google search for "linux electrical engineering" gets
lots of hits.

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Billy Smith wrote:

How do you explain this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Top500_OS.png

What it says to me is that your corporate and university level people
working with supercomputers are going to Linux versus Unix or in the case
of Microsoft they aren't going to use it. Thats doesn't mean that
Microsoft makes a bad product for the general consumer market. Linux does
have its use and one of its uses is that it tends to be rather fast for an
operating system. However, if you consider speed anything you should use
Linux. Yet when you use a wide variety of PC appplications, you will find
that they aren't usable in Linux format. You can partition your drive to
use both Microsoft based stuff and Linux or you can stick with what you
know.
For most people, they are not going to use Linux because A: There is no
need for using it and B: They don't have the capability to babysit Linux
based systems. The average computer science grad or expert in the computer
field very well might get some usage out of it. For most people, they are
content in using Microsoft Office or whatever works for plug and play
applications.

Theyr'e not going to waste their time formatting their hard drive to run a
program and system that while being faster doesn't have the applicable
uses that a Microsoft system has. The Microsoft systems have that
advantage because you can put in any XP or Vista or 98 based software of
which I have at least one in each operating system. You can put in any
program that is made for that system and use it. That cannot be said for
converting your system to Linux no matter how much faster it may be. Its
not really worth the time for most people

If you want to put Linux and make it customizable to your system that
works for those applications then go for it.. For the general computer
user that exists in the general public, then most people go for Microsoft.
They're not going to use Linux and I would venture than Microsoft is much
more recognizable than what Linux has been or probably will ever be.

Linux is still at the infancy state of the computer realm. Its not going
to catch on all that much for the hundreds of millions of computer users.

Thats why Mac will never be a viable competitor to Microsoft. They're
still stuck in the proprietary and infant stage. Just like the Iphone. I
would have actually been interested in getting an Iphone but when I have
to use ATT for service, they can forget it. I used to have Cingular and it
was a joke for phone service but also their customer service section was
incompetent at best. I can actually pay my bill through Verizon and know
what I actually owe. Nice concept isnt it.

Macs will never become more than fancy overpriced boxes for graphics
users, game players, etc. You never see that many Macs ever used for
servers, internet commerce, etc. Thats why you can go to the Apple store
here in Louisville and find out that a Mac will cost you 1500 to 2000
dollars when a basic Vista/XP computer will net you half those amounts.
When Apple learns to market their computers and systems correctly and
produce something worth really having, then they will take off. Until
then, they don't have a prayer competition wise.

If you mean is Linux finished growing up and fully mature? Heck no, it has
only begun. I suspect it will be evolving well past my lifetime.

Linux is vastly superior to Vista in most ways, you bet. I place it just on
the heals of XP right now but ahead of Vista. I will grant, XP is quite
mature, but stagnant. Where as Linux is still, and will always perpetually
evolve.

The Linux maturity is going to be evolutionary and not the dump everything
change now you see with Microsoft products. Where as Microsoft has a
grand-batch mentality. The later can't get continuous improvement, can't
evolve. Take Vista, is now in maintenance mode. Its active development has
ceased! Understand that. They all moved on to Win 7 for the next
disruption.

Mind you, Vista is a bad batch of soup, the best place is the garborator.

Canuck57 wrote:

I place it just on the heals of XP right now


The heals? In knew it was wounded!





mike

Billy Smith wrote:

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For most people, they are not going to use Linux because A: There is no
need for using it and B: They don't have the capability to babysit Linux
based systems. The average computer science grad or expert in the
computer field very well might get some usage out of it. For most
people, they are content in using Microsoft Office or whatever works for
plug and play applications.

That's ridiculous. Unless you are gaming you don't need Windows. If
you're not editing video you don't need a Mac. For what most people do
on a computer (surf, mail, spreadsheets, word processing, photo editing,
media recording and playback, etc.) Linux does it faster, better and
100% cheaper.

Microsoft of course. If you don't mind losing your money, buy apple.
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Billy Smith wrote:

B I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web
browsing. I haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like
what older models did. XP included.

You can do that stuff way faster on a Linux box. And with a lot less
risk and hassle.

Linux is generally crap. I know because I installed it on a couple of
my machines. It caused more problems using that crap and utilizing
software than anything I have ever seen. Pure garbage. Just about like
that other computer operating system called the Mac. I wouldn't have a
Mac for toilet paper. Every Mac I saw ran like crap and you couldn't do
1/3 of what you can do on a Windows based Machine. That comes from a
lot of personal experience with Mac based stuff back in the 90s and
early part of this decade.

It might be great now but back in those days they should have called it
Crap versus Mac.

Linux and Apple have their place, and with your comments I doubt you
have ever owned an Apple.

The HUGE benefit of Linux over say Vista is Linux is not DRM invasive.

I never owned an apple but I used to have a lot of experience running the
Apple/Mac system. I wasn't impressed with anything that it could
allegedly do. Personally it was like an overhyped Ipod phone or Touch. A
lot of glitz but little real performance. Not user friendly, not even for
the novice. I probably spent at least a year on that sort of a system and
I was none too impressed. Thats why Mac will never catch up to Microsoft
in anything. The only people I personally knew that used Macs were kids
wanting to use it for graphics. For business operations, office work,
etc, it was never worth anything. I wouldn't even give a Mac system the
time of day for even audio listening or multimedia video and audio.

If Macs were so proficient and useful, then why in the hell doesn't
everyone in the world switch to Macs. Since there is a free market in
computers and a great deal of industriousness and ingenuity in the
computer industry, then Macs should be right up there. Not to mention the
facts are that a Microsoft based system can be had for 300 to 1000
dolllars and a good one at that.

What does a Crap cost? I was in the local Apple store recently here in
Louisville KY. It was laughable that they wanted twice as much as any
Microsoft PC and with less performance capabilities, less general
respect. You'll see who buried who in the computer systems operating
business environment. It sure wasn't Mac. Probably more people use Linux
than Mac and thats sad.

Apples market share is growing. Which stock would you rather own?


http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=A...urce=undefined

Wall Street sees the numbers.

Your argument is totally ridiculous. The primary reason for Microsoft's
popularity is simply because it is so flexible.
What do you want your computer to do? Microsoft's OS does it. Who uses
Microsoft's OS? Everyone. Corporations and businesses alike.
Can't you get that through your head?
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"Billy Smith" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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Billy Smith wrote:

How do you explain this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Top500_OS.png

What it says to me is that your corporate and university level people
working with supercomputers are going to Linux versus Unix or in the
case of Microsoft they aren't going to use it. Thats doesn't mean that
Microsoft makes a bad product for the general consumer market. Linux does
have its use and one of its uses is that it tends to be rather fast for
an operating system. However, if you consider speed anything you should
use Linux. Yet when you use a wide variety of PC appplications, you will
find that they aren't usable in Linux format. You can partition your
drive to use both Microsoft based stuff and Linux or you can stick with
what you know.
For most people, they are not going to use Linux because A: There is no
need for using it and B: They don't have the capability to babysit Linux
based systems. The average computer science grad or expert in the
computer field very well might get some usage out of it. For most people,
they are content in using Microsoft Office or whatever works for plug and
play applications.

Theyr'e not going to waste their time formatting their hard drive to run
a program and system that while being faster doesn't have the applicable
uses that a Microsoft system has. The Microsoft systems have that
advantage because you can put in any XP or Vista or 98 based software of
which I have at least one in each operating system. You can put in any
program that is made for that system and use it. That cannot be said for
converting your system to Linux no matter how much faster it may be. Its
not really worth the time for most people

If you want to put Linux and make it customizable to your system that
works for those applications then go for it.. For the general computer
user that exists in the general public, then most people go for
Microsoft. They're not going to use Linux and I would venture than
Microsoft is much more recognizable than what Linux has been or probably
will ever be.

Linux is still at the infancy state of the computer realm. Its not going
to catch on all that much for the hundreds of millions of computer users.

Thats why Mac will never be a viable competitor to Microsoft. They're
still stuck in the proprietary and infant stage. Just like the Iphone. I
would have actually been interested in getting an Iphone but when I have
to use ATT for service, they can forget it. I used to have Cingular and
it was a joke for phone service but also their customer service section
was incompetent at best. I can actually pay my bill through Verizon and
know what I actually owe. Nice concept isnt it.

Macs will never become more than fancy overpriced boxes for graphics
users, game players, etc. You never see that many Macs ever used for
servers, internet commerce, etc. Thats why you can go to the Apple store
here in Louisville and find out that a Mac will cost you 1500 to 2000
dollars when a basic Vista/XP computer will net you half those amounts.
When Apple learns to market their computers and systems correctly and
produce something worth really having, then they will take off. Until
then, they don't have a prayer competition wise.

If you mean is Linux finished growing up and fully mature? Heck no, it
has only begun. I suspect it will be evolving well past my lifetime.

Linux is vastly superior to Vista in most ways, you bet. I place it just
on the heals of XP right now but ahead of Vista. I will grant, XP is
quite mature, but stagnant. Where as Linux is still, and will always
perpetually evolve.

The Linux maturity is going to be evolutionary and not the dump everything
change now you see with Microsoft products. Where as Microsoft has a
grand-batch mentality. The later can't get continuous improvement, can't
evolve. Take Vista, is now in maintenance mode. Its active development
has ceased! Understand that. They all moved on to Win 7 for the next
disruption.

Mind you, Vista is a bad batch of soup, the best place is the garborator.

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Canuck57 wrote:

I place it just on the heals of XP right now


The heals? In knew it was wounded!

Typo. Heels then.

Point still remains, XP is seasoned, stable and Microsoft wants to
discontinue its most accepted product? Marketing should be shot. That is
like Coke saying no more Coke Classic. They tried that, once.

What they should do is have an XP SP4 with a load of new drivers in it to
keep it current and stable. Let user downgrade, Vistax64-XP64 included.
This is after all what the market is telling Microsoft.

XP can compete with Linux and do well, but Vista....nada. Vista is like the
Titanic after the water was leaking in. Vista drives people to Apple and
Linux. It will be slow at first, but will pick up as word spreads. See Eee
PC sales....suppliers can't keep the Linux varieties in stock.

"Dave" wrote in message
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Billy Smith wrote:

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For most people, they are not going to use Linux because A: There is no
need for using it and B: They don't have the capability to babysit Linux
based systems. The average computer science grad or expert in the
computer field very well might get some usage out of it. For most people,
they are content in using Microsoft Office or whatever works for plug and
play applications.

That's ridiculous. Unless you are gaming you don't need Windows. If
you're not editing video you don't need a Mac. For what most people do on
a computer (surf, mail, spreadsheets, word processing, photo editing,
media recording and playback, etc.) Linux does it faster, better and 100%
cheaper.

You are correct. In fact, Linux goes where no hand holding is required
because it is stable, low maintenance and low "handholding" requirements.
Cell phones, routers, firewalls, and a host of others.

http://linuxdevices.com

Unknown wrote:
Your argument is totally ridiculous. The primary reason for Microsoft's
popularity is simply because it is so flexible.
What do you want your computer to do? Microsoft's OS does it. Who uses
Microsoft's OS? Everyone. Corporations and businesses alike.
Can't you get that through your head?

Corporations AND businesses? What's Google use? Are they neither?

Until you break free from the uptight and paranoid world of crippled
shareware and continuous virus scans; from having to shell out a
hundred bucks every 3 or 4 years for a new OS (then hundreds more for
the horsepower to run them); from having to pay hundreds of dollars
extra for compatible word processors and media playthings; you'll never
understand.

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Microsoft of course. If you don't mind losing your money, buy apple.

Don't own either. But if I did, would be Apple.

Think, if you bought Apple (AAPL) a year ago, it is up over 60%.

Think, if you bought Microsoft (MSFT) a year ago, it is down 10% of so.

Even looks like Red hat has turned around this year.