"A Brown" wrote in message
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If you live near a major city (and 85% of America lives within the top
15
markets) you have plenty of HD choices.

No, 50% of Americans live in a top 50 market.

I have an Arbitron graph chart in my office that says it's 85/15.

The 12+ population of the USA is 240 million, roughly.

The top 15 markets are 93 million, roughly. That's about 38%, not 85%.


1 CM BH S New York, NY 15,345,000
2 CM BH S Los Angeles, CA 10,902,400
3 CM BH S Chicago, IL 7,784,400
4 CM BH S San Francisco, CA 5,969,400
5 CM BH S Dallas-Ft. Worth, TX 4,973,000
6 PPM BH S Houston-Galveston, TX 4,639,000
7 PPM BH S Philadelphia, PA 4,350,000
8 CM BH S Atlanta, GA 4,267,500
9 CM BH S Washington, DC 4,210,000
10 CM BH S Boston, MA 3,874,600
11 CM B S Detroit, MI 3,866,500
12 CM BH S Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood, FL 3,538,400
13 CM QD Puerto Rico 3,328,500
14 CM BH S Seattle-Tacoma, WA 3,328,100
15 CM H S Phoenix, AZ 3,173,200
16 CM B S Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN 2,683,000
17 CM BH S San Diego, CA 2,515,100
18 CM BH * Nassau-Suffolk (Long Island), NY 2,359,300
19 CM BH S Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2,350,000
20 CM B S St. Louis, MO 2,308,400
21 CM B S Baltimore, MD 2,255,100
22 CM BH S Denver-Boulder, CO 2,244,300
23 CM H S Portland, OR 2,049,600
24 CM B S Pittsburgh, PA 1,986,600
25 CM BH S Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC 1,886,100
26 CM BH * Riverside-San Bernardino, CA 1,829,200
27 CM BH S Sacramento, CA 1,805,200
28 CM B S Cleveland, OH 1,782,400
29 CM B S Cincinnati, OH 1,751,400
30 CM BH S San Antonio, TX 1,626,500
31 CM H S Salt Lake City-Ogden-Provo, UT 1,621,900
32 CM BH S Kansas City, MO-KS 1,592,800
33 CM BH S Las Vegas, NV 1,541,900
34 CM BH S Orlando, FL 1,479,900
35 CM H * San Jose, CA 1,465,400
36 CM BH S Milwaukee-Racine, WI 1,431,300
37 CM B S Columbus, OH 1,427,000
38 CM BH NA Middlesex-Somerset-Union, NJ 1,378,800
39 CM H S Providence-Warwick-Pawtucket, RI 1,376,500
40 CM B S Indianapolis, IN 1,350,900
41 CM B S Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA 1,327,700
42 CM BH S Austin, TX 1,309,500
43 CM BH S Raleigh-Durham, NC 1,230,300
44 CM B S Nashville, TN 1,182,900
45 CM BH S Greensboro-Winston-Salem-High Point, NC 1,154,400
46 CM BH S West Palm Beach-Boca Raton, FL 1,116,400
47 CM B S Jacksonville, FL 1,106,400
48 CM BH S Oklahoma City, OK 1,091,300
49 CM B S Memphis, TN 1,072,800
50 CM BH S Hartford-New Britain-Middletown, CT 1,048,200

A Brown wrote:
Now weren't you the one speaking of the myriad of alternative
formats, innovative formats, and off-mainstream formats? Now you're
pooh-poohing innovation?

Nope. 21 extra streams of music in a market is fine for me.

Not when half of them are repackaged formats with the same playlists as
the baseband formats, no.

I don't see any with the "same playlist as the baseband formats".

Asking again.....an example? Or is this more parroting?



Why don't you try turning on a radio and see for yourself.

The top 15 markets are 93 million, roughly. That's about 38%, not 85%.

You know I've seen that chart from Arbitron too....

Could it be 85% or radio listening is done in Top 15 markets.

There was an arbitron poster that the pd had in their office.....

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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A Brown wrote:
Now weren't you the one speaking of the myriad of alternative
formats, innovative formats, and off-mainstream formats? Now you're
pooh-poohing innovation?

Nope. 21 extra streams of music in a market is fine for me.

Not when half of them are repackaged formats with the same playlists
as the baseband formats, no.

I don't see any with the "same playlist as the baseband formats".

Asking again.....an example? Or is this more parroting?



Why don't you try turning on a radio and see for yourself.

so this is all just baseless acusations because you don't like HD radio....

RP wrote:

so this is all just baseless acusations because you don't like HD radio....



So this is just a baseless accusation because you do....

"RP" wrote in message
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The top 15 markets are 93 million, roughly. That's about 38%, not 85%.

You know I've seen that chart from Arbitron too....

Could it be 85% or radio listening is done in Top 15 markets.

That's not true, either. If the top 15 have 38% of the population, about 38%
of radio listening is done in those markets.

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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"RP" wrote in message
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The top 15 markets are 93 million, roughly. That's about 38%, not 85%.

You know I've seen that chart from Arbitron too....

Could it be 85% or radio listening is done in Top 15 markets.

That's not true, either. If the top 15 have 38% of the population, about
38% of radio listening is done in those markets.

I'm still trying to reconcile my memory with that fact/figure.... ;-)

Could it be that 85% of America lives in one of the top 15 market "ADI's"?

(Or TV markets?)

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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RP wrote:

so this is all just baseless acusations because you don't like HD
radio....



So this is just a baseless accusation because you do....

Far from baseless.....I think every one of your false points has been
answered...point by point!

A Brown wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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RP wrote:

so this is all just baseless acusations because you don't like HD
radio....


So this is just a baseless accusation because you do....

Far from baseless.....I think every one of your false points has been
answered...point by point!



LOL!

On Jul 15, 11:14�pm, "A Brown" wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in ...

A Brown wrote:
� Which is precisely the point. So far, only the technology has been
promoted. And the diverse 'out of the box' programming offerings have
not materialized as promised.
Sure they have, there's Jazz, 70's Folk, Chorale, Ethnic, Dance...There
are lots of formats available that are not available on the regular
broadcast band.

� And not widely available on HD.

There are ALL available where I am.

� �Not whare I am. Nor where I've been so far this year..

You don't get out much.... � BTW...You shouldn't make absolute judgements
only based on your own limited experiences.

Most HD channels I've heard, are dupes of the baseband audio,

That's the HD-1 channel. �The HD-2 and HD-3, etc...channels can be
anything they want.

� Can. Doesn't mean they are.

I just showed you they are. �If you live near a Top 15 Moraket and 85% of
America does.

If you live near a major city (and 85% of America lives within the top 15
markets) you have plenty of HD choices.

� I live in Chicago. Big enough for you?

Take a look!

(I don't see many "AM rebroadcasts"..some even have HD3 channels!)

WMBI:FM 90.1 Religion=HD1 / HD2=Praise Music / HD3=Kids!

WPWX: FM 92.3 Urban=HD1 / HD2=Classic Hip Hop;

WXRT: FM 93.1 Rock=HD1 / HD2=New Music

WLIT:FM 93.9 Adult contemporary=HD1 �/ HD2=Disco

WNUA:FM 95.5 Smooth Jazz=HD1 / HD2=Traditional Jazz

WERV:FM 95.9 Oldies=HD1 �/ HD2=Rapids (Whatever that is...)

WBBM:FM 96.3 Top 40=HD1 / HD2=Dance

WDRV:FM 97.1 Classic rock=HD1 / HD2=Deep Tracks

WLUP: FM 97.9 Rock=HD1 / HD2=Loop Loud

WUSN: FM 99.5 Country=HD1 / HD2=Future Country / HD-3 99.5-3 FM (Trucker!)

WILV: FM 100.3 Rhymic Oldies=HD1 / HD2=Love Songs

WKQX: FM 101.1 Alternative=HD1 / HD2=Alternative

WTMX: FM 101.9 Adult Contemporary=HD1 / HD2=80's;

WVAZ: FM 102.7 Urban=HD1 / HD2=Gospel;

WKSC: FM 103.5 Top 40=HD1 / HD2=Pride

WJMK: FM 104.3 Variety=HD1 �/ HD2=60's, 70's

WSRB: FM 106.3 R&B=HD1 / HD2=Soul;

WGCI: FM 107.5 Hip Hop R&B=HD1 /HD2=Old School Hip Hop

Maybe you should buy anHD radioand discover what's out there..instead of
parroting whatever negative information you may have heard.

Most of these formats are just clever reqorks off the main analog
channels:

"HD Hypocrisy"

"Here's a few more reasons why only iBiquity and a few clueless radio
group heads could make a big thing out of HD radio tagging... The very
damn radio stations that broadcast in HD offer no programming worth
listening to. HD Radio is a virtual sewer of formats owners don't want
on their terrestrial frequencies and other assorted garbage that no
one sane would listen to -- let alone spend money for new radios --
tagging or not."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com...hypocrisy.html

HD Radio is a farce!