ibiquity AM hybrid digital radio provides little consumer benefits
 

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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Problem was, people didn't like stereo enough to buy another radio. And
it's not as if the radios were real expensive. They wouldn't buy four AM
stereo standards. They wouldn't buy even one.

By the time in the early 80's when a standard, CQuam, arrose, AM was no
longer a music medium and had less than 40% of all listening.

There are still stations playing music on AM.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

ibiquity AM hybrid digital radio provides little consumer benefits
 

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"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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Problem was, people didn't like stereo enough to buy another radio.
And
it's not as if the radios were real expensive. They wouldn't buy four
AM
stereo standards. They wouldn't buy even one.

By the time in the early 80's when a standard, CQuam, arrose, AM was no
longer a music medium and had less than 40% of all listening.

There are still stations playing music on AM.

Keyword: still. Most AMs are talk based, and all the decently rated ones
are. A few exceptions, on analysis, make the rule; those with music in rated
markets are either ethnic (like the Farsi, Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese
language stations in the LA metro.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

ibiquity AM hybrid digital radio provides little consumer benefits
 

It's used on almost all analog broadcasting. Very little on Iboc.

Wrong. HD signals are processed (the right term) for consistency and a
stable dynamic range.


Sorry to correct you Eduardo....most of the stations I have dealing with are
currently not (or barely) processing their IBOC signals.

ibiquity AM hybrid digital radio provides little consumer benefits
 

Actually, people didn't care much about FM stereo, either. FM stereo
didn't
reach mass market appeal until it was almost a give-away with the radio.

That's what will happen with HD. Until it starts being included in the
next radio people will purchase, or in the next car they buy.

That $50 licensing fee for each chipset will keep a lot of people from
EVER buying an IBOC receiver.

They will get them included in a car radio they will buy in the near future.
They won't have to decide to buy one.

ibiquity AM hybrid digital radio provides little consumer benefits
 

"A Browne" wrote in message
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It's used on almost all analog broadcasting. Very little on Iboc.

Wrong. HD signals are processed (the right term) for consistency and a
stable dynamic range.


Sorry to correct you Eduardo....most of the stations I have dealing with
are currently not (or barely) processing their IBOC signals.

And all that I have seen have either the Omnia or Optimod digital versions.

First, the differing levels of different source materials demands that a
degree of leveling be applied just for consistency. Then, we have to
recognize that the listening environment, particularly in vehicles, is noisy
and the dynamic range has to be brought up to avoid lower level passages
becoming masked in ambient noise. While clipping and severe peak limiting
are not needed, avoidance of occasional high excursions also improves the
listening experience.

I'd love to know of any HD-1 signals that are not processed. Most of us know
that in-car listening is subject to dropouts beyond about the 64 dbu
contour, and having the analog and digital signals similarly processed is
important. Plus, lots of content was originally analog, and needs a degree
of control.

ibiquity AM hybrid digital radio provides little consumer benefits
 

"A Browne" wrote in message
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Actually, people didn't care much about FM stereo, either. FM stereo
didn't
reach mass market appeal until it was almost a give-away with the
radio.

That's what will happen with HD. Until it starts being included in the
next radio people will purchase, or in the next car they buy.

That $50 licensing fee for each chipset will keep a lot of people from
EVER buying an IBOC receiver.

They will get them included in a car radio they will buy in the near
future. They won't have to decide to buy one.


As they say in Spain, "when frogs dance flamenco."

Mass market car manufacturers will not include HD until there is a huge
demand, which is not present today. Otherwise, car manufacturers look for a
payback, such as commissions or a cut of fees, like the satellite folks give
them. Since HD is a free radio product, there is no fee to share and there
will be, for the moment, no HD radios in Fords and Chevys and Camrys.

ibiquity AM hybrid digital radio provides little consumer benefits
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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Problem was, people didn't like stereo enough to buy another
radio. And it's not as if the radios were real expensive. They
wouldn't buy four AM stereo standards. They wouldn't buy even
one.

By the time in the early 80's when a standard, CQuam, arrose, AM
was no longer a music medium and had less than 40% of all
listening.

There are still stations playing music on AM.

Keyword: still. Most AMs are talk based, and all the decently rated
ones are. A few exceptions, on analysis, make the rule; those with
music in rated markets are either ethnic (like the Farsi, Korean,
Chinese and Vietnamese language stations in the LA metro.

And like any other topic we disagree on I just happen to have one of
those exceptions about 5 miles away from myself, in english, playing
rock and roll music. Since this is the case for myself I could
extrapolate this to the majority of towns in this country. That would
add up to many more music station then you allow for.

I'll bet if I took the trouble to spin the dial looking for more I
could get maybe a handful buy you would come back and say I could not
hear them.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

ibiquity AM hybrid digital radio provides little consumer benefits
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

Keyword: still. Most AMs are talk based, and all the decently rated
ones are. A few exceptions, on analysis, make the rule; those with
music in rated markets are either ethnic (like the Farsi, Korean,
Chinese and Vietnamese language stations in the LA metro.

And like any other topic we disagree on I just happen to have one of
those exceptions about 5 miles away from myself, in english, playing
rock and roll music. Since this is the case for myself I could
extrapolate this to the majority of towns in this country. That would
add up to many more music station then you allow for.

Try re-reading the paragraph above your ill-reasoned one. I said "decently
rated" quite clearly. KVEN is rated 39th in the market in 25-54 year old
listeners (what in the industry are called the "sales demos") and is 27th in
listeners of all ages (12+ being the term used for that.). It's billings
have fallen by more than half since the year 2000, and currently are about
10% of the level attained by the market's leading billers, KCAQ, KHAY and
KXLM.

In fact, most places in the US don't have much music on AM unless, as I
said, it is in Farsi or Russian or Polish, to name three... or the station
is one of several forms of Gospel that have mostly 55 and over listeners.

I'll bet if I took the trouble to spin the dial looking for more I
could get maybe a handful buy you would come back and say I could not
hear them.

No, I would say, as I always have, that what you may pick up on your $5000
radio does not have the signal strength, clarity and consistency the average
listener seeks. There are probably hundreds or relatively easy out of market
AM signals you can get, between daytime and night. Listeners only pick the
ones that have monster signals, as proven by decades of research.

ibiquity AM hybrid digital radio provides little consumer benefits
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
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And like any other topic we disagree on I just happen to have one of
those exceptions about 5 miles away from myself, in english, playing
rock and roll music. Since this is the case for myself I could
extrapolate this to the majority of towns in this country. That would
add up to many more music station then you allow for.



Portland, OR

1480 KBMS (Vancouver, WA) Urban Contemporary
1550 KKAD (Vancouver, WA) Nostalgia

Salem, OR

1490 KBZY Oldies


Eugene, OR

840 KKNX Oldies

Seaside, OR

840 KSWB Oldies

Waldport, OR

820 KORC Nostalgia

Longview, WA

1270 KBAM Country
1400 KEDO Oldies
1490 KLOG Classic Hits

Centralia, WA

1420 KITI Oldies

Seattle, WA

660 KAPS Country
880 KIXI Nostalgia
1420 KRIZ (Renton, WA) Rhythmic Oldies
1620 KYIZ (Renton, WA) Urban Contemporary

Yakima, WA

1460 KUTI Country

Grand Coulee, WA

1490 KEYG Country

Spokane, WA

630 KTRW Nostalgia
1050 KEYF Nostalgia

Coeur D Alene, ID

1080 KVNI Oldies


Wallace, ID

620 KWAL Country

Orofino, ID

1300 KLER Country

Lewiston, ID

1350 KRLC Country

Boise, ID

670 KBOI Jazz
1140 KGEM Nostalgia
1490 KCID (Caldwell, ID) Oldies

Pocatello, ID

790 KBRV (Soda Springs, ID) Country
1290 KOUU Country

ibiquity AM hybrid digital radio provides little consumer benefits
 

"A Browne" wrote in message
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AM HD is stereo.

AM had stereo first, way back in the past. It was so good, the FCC
approved
first one, then FOUR different methods for stereo modulation. Holy
cats!
The FCC actually thought there might be enough consumer demand to
support
four different AM stereo plans. The broadcasters and manufacturers all
jumped in, as well.

Broadcaster's weren't "on board" with the marketplace aspect of picking a
standard.

Yet there were different AM stereo standards being broadcast. If the
broadcasters believed that one system was superior to the others, than that
would have decided the issue for the FCC.


The "let the marketplace decide the stereo standard" was one mistake that
the FCC didn't make with HD. They named a standard, and all the
brodcasters
are on board with the same standard.

HD is ibiquity's copyrighted term. If we consider HD to mean IBOC, Kahn's
CAM-D system is supposed to be on the air right now.

http://www.kdylam.com/camd.htm

Don't ask me where to buy a CAM-D receiver, though. I'm sure they are even
less popular than HD receivers.


With no standard chosen, there was no impetus for the public to buy one
standard over another, nor impetus for manufacturers to start making one
standard over another....in any real sense.

The impetus would have been the desirability to upgrade to stereo. A person
would buy a radio to match the system broadcast by a favorite station or
stations.

Somebody with different favorites would have to buy different radios or a
multimode radio.

Such are the sacrifices we make for the things we really like.


Problem was, people didn't like stereo enough to buy another radio. And
it's not as if the radios were real expensive. They wouldn't buy four
AM
stereo standards. They wouldn't buy even one.

They WOULD buy one...IF they knew *which* of the four was the one to buy!
So they waited....and did nothing.

Didn't the stations say which AM stereo system they were using? Didn't they
tell people where to get radios? Didn't stores know which radios to sell?

There was some stupidity in this, but not that much.


Actually, people didn't care much about FM stereo, either. FM stereo
didn't
reach mass market appeal until it was almost a give-away with the radio.

That's what will happen with HD. Until it starts being included in the
next
radio people will purchase, or in the next car they buy.

Right. Do you think the C-Quam car radio thing had anything to do with
Motorola?


There might be a lesson there for HD radio. Give it away and maybe
people
will listen. But I really doubt ibiquity will give up licensing fees on
their patents and copyrights.

Well, Volvo is making all their 2009's include HD as standard equipment.

If ibiqity is smart, they'll try to get HD radios in Fords and Chevys and
Toyotas.

If the really want to sell radios, they will go for the $15.00 clock radio
market.


Other manufacturers are including it as an option, and I'm sure some
people
will buy their cars off the lot with it included without them having to
chose it specifically.

Lucky for Glenn, if he ever does start living in the past, he can look
back
at a lifetime as an accomplished DXer and radio broadcaster.

I'm sure his kids will be impressed.


I'm sure they are.

Frank Dresser