A Brave New America
 

On Nov 18, 9:57*am, David Hartung wrote:

If you will look around you, you will realize that your claim is
completely without merit.

Since when did Liberal Fascist Neo-Commie propaganda have any merit?

(OT) : You Can ID the Historically Illiterate by The Way TheyDefine Nazi
 

Mike wrote:

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As I originally wrote: We must stand up against people (like you!)
that re-write history for their own purposes. Mussolini was opposed by
US liberals during the '30s, while he was supported by US
conservatives. That's a historical fact that you can't escape, "donki
dix"!

Since you mention Mussolini, this is as good a place as any to mention my
shock and bewilderment at the McCain campaign's use early in the general
election period after the conventions, of a pose of the candidate, in
television spots, that looked to me exactly like the famous photos of
Il Duce. Didn't anyone in that campaign have a clue?

BTW, why is this thread cost posted so promiscuously (reading it in R.R.S)

Michael

A Brave New America
 

On Nov 19, 5:41 am, Dave wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
now this is funny, bush has completely destroyed the constitution,
greed is rampant, bush singlehandedly destroyed the u.s. economy, and
you're scared of the demcorats?

you should be scared of the dumbass nazi neocon republican scum

save america, kill a neocon today

If you will look around you, you will realize that your claim is
completely without merit.

Bush has destroyed nothing.

Nothing you love. But some of us are fond of the Constitution and the
moral high ground.

The Constitution says what five judges say it says. When those five
judges say what you want to hear; you love it. When they don't you
hate it.

(OT) : You Can ID the Historically Illiterate by The Way TheyDefine Nazi
 

On Nov 18, 10:13*pm, Mike wrote:
On Nov 18, 5:31 pm, RHF wrote:







NAZI = "The-N-Word" of any Political Discussion.

NAZI = SOCIALIST = MARXIST = COMMUNIST = BAD PEOPLE

NAZI = FASCIST = SKINHEAD = NEOCON = BAD PEOPLE

Looks like "Neocon" has become the new name
calling word for 'nazi' in the 21st Century.

Plus calling some one a "Neocon" has those
subtle Anti-Jewish undertones -and- "Neocon"
has a decided Anti-Israel-Zionist Overtone.

just say no to 'nazi' type name calling ~ RHF
.

Roy,

Real Nazis represent one of the most evil forces in history. You are
right that anyone that anyone that suggests that a Neocon is the same
as a Nazi is clearly exaggerating. Here's the way it really is:

Neocons embrace conservatism. Nazis also embraced conservatism, but in
a very extreme form of statist nationalism. Think neocon on steroids.
While most neocons are not racists, many of their positions on
national patriotism, national security, and the importance of security
over individual freedoms, are definitely pointed in the same fascist
direction that the Nazis started with.

Liberals are not the same as Marxists or Socialists. But, just as the
neocons are moving in the same direction as Nazis, the liberals are
more like Marxist or Commies than Nazis. A Marxist is like a liberal
on nasty steroids. Nazis are the opposite of Marxists or Socialists.
One of Hitler's first steps toward World War was to burn down the
Reichstag and blame it on the Commies and Socialists. The Nazi
Fascists fought against the Soviet Marxists in WW2. It is estimated
that 25 million Marxists died fighting the invading Fascist Nazis.
Anyone that calls a Commie Marxist a Nazi or a Fascist is attempting
to re-write history.

So, neocons are not fascists and liberal are not Marxists. Both
extremes are undesirable. Unless real American stand up to these
foolish exaggerations, the people that distort history for their own
political ends will prevent the people of this nation from uniting and
really dealing with our societal problems.

Obama is not a Marxist and I don't think most neocons (with the
possible exception of Dick "Shotgun" Cheney) are Nazis. Let's stop
this foolishness and realize that such hyperbole is a clear indication
of a crackpot.

I'm willing to bet that I'm the only one in this thread that has
actual college degrees in Government and Public Affairs.

Mike- Hide quoted text -

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Well. the Nazis fighting the Communists isn't evidence of them being
a great deal different. When Ribbentrop went to Moscow to deal with
Molotov, and agree to both invade Poland with their forces and split
it between them, he returned to Berlin and reported, "We can deal with
these guys, they are just like us". They also aggreed to split up
Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and Romania into Nazi and
Soviet spheres of influence for take over by the two dictatorships.
The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (also known as the Hitler - Stalin Pact
and other titles) remained in effect until Nazi Germany invaded the
Soviet Union on June 22, 1941 in Operation Barbarossa.

The only thing stopping the Nazi Germany from working together with
the Soviet Union in the end was Hitler's megalomania. Otherwise, WW
II could have turned out very differently. Perhaps in a way none of us
would like to imagine. Stalin was in a state of shock that Hitler
broke their pact, and attacked. It took him some days to recover his
composure and start to act.
Even Communist countries can fight against each other. It's the
"Party" of one country against the "Party" in the other,.
To the little man in the street, one dictatorship is little
different from the other.

Naziism/Fascism vs. Communism. They are both "Total
Government" .... Totalitarianism. Kissing cousins.
Both of them step on the freedom of the citizens. Destructive of
Liberty.

(OT) : You Can ID the Historically Illiterate by The Way They Define Nazi
 

"Cato" wrote in message
...

Naziism/Fascism vs. Communism. They are both "Total
Government" .... Totalitarianism. Kissing cousins.
Both of them step on the freedom of the citizens. Destructive of
Liberty.

Said it before, will say it again. Any, ANY form of government can be
abused. Fascism may well appear to the man on the street to be no different
from Communism, but they are politcally diametrically opposite. The end
result to the citizen may be the same, but the players have different sets
of 'morals'. Fascism is, in part, Capitalism taken to it's extreme. Our
own Democratic Republic (USA, but isn't it funny how so many Communist
countries use those words in their proper names?) can be abused to the point
where it would, to practical intents and purposes, be no different than
either a Communist or Fascist dictatorship. Already, corporations have far
too much power and control over our government. I'm all for "Joe the
Plumber" blue collar types being able to earn whatever living they choose to
work for. I have a BIG problem with corporations taking advantage of the
hard work of others to garner obscene profits (Exxon-Mobil, for one).

(OT) : You Can ID the Historically Illiterate by The Way TheyDefine Nazi
 

On Nov 20, 2:28*am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Cato" wrote in message

...

* * Naziism/Fascism *vs. Communism. * * They are both "Total
Government" .... *Totalitarianism. * Kissing cousins.
*Both of them step on the freedom of the citizens. Destructive of
Liberty.

Said it before, will say it again. *Any, ANY form of government can be
abused. Fascism may well appear to the man on the street to be no different
from Communism, but they are politcally diametrically opposite. The end
result to the citizen may be the same, but the players have different sets
of 'morals'. *Fascism is, in part, Capitalism taken to it's extreme. *Our
own Democratic Republic (USA, but isn't it funny how so many Communist
countries use those words in their proper names?) can be abused to the point
where it would, to practical intents and purposes, be no different than
either a Communist or Fascist dictatorship. Already, corporations have far
too much power and control over our government. *I'm all for "Joe the
Plumber" blue collar types being able to earn whatever living they choose to
work for. *I have a BIG problem with corporations taking advantage of the
hard work of others to garner obscene profits (Exxon-Mobil, for one).

You are correct on some accounts, but notice in Nazi Germany with
the big industries, although the original owners where still owners on
paper, and retained their titles, they now had to produce what they
were told to produce, they were told how much to produce, how much
they would get paid, and how much to pay the workers. You were
expected to meet government imposed quotas, just as in Communist
countries.
In Nazi Germany, you owned your company on paper, but you and your
company and your workers were totally controlled by the government.

If instead, you have the companys controlling the government, as
you say you are getting in the U.S., you have it turned around
backwards.

That was not the case in either Nazi Germany, or Communist Soviet
Union. There, the Government, (The Party) headed up by their Great
Leaders, had control.

Not much different then how business was run in the Soviet Union.
There, you had your factory committees and party comrades running the
factory. Totally controlled by the government again.
Again, totally controlled by the government. Everyone's lives
under total regulation.
To regular people, dictatorship is dictatorship. With their "Re-
education" Camps and Gulags and Concentration Camps.
What does it matter if it is black fascism, red communism, or
green or purple "ism" ? ?
No diff to me. All evil, and destructive to Liberty.

(OT) : You Can ID the Historically Illiterate by The Way TheyDefine Nazi
 

Oh, yes, it's funny how many communist countries call themselves
"Democratic" and a "Republic". Such as "The People's Democratic
Republic of Yemen, or Lao People's Democratic Republic, or the
People's Republic of China, or the Democratic People's Republic of
Korea ruled by "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-Il
LOL Such titles would never win them awards for honesty.

(OT) : You Can ID the Historically Illiterate by The Way They DefineNazi
 

Brenda Ann wrote:

"Cato" wrote in message
...

Naziism/Fascism vs. Communism. They are both "Total
Government" .... Totalitarianism. Kissing cousins.
Both of them step on the freedom of the citizens. Destructive of
Liberty.

Said it before, will say it again. Any, ANY form of government can be
abused. Fascism may well appear to the man on the street to be no different
from Communism, but they are politcally diametrically opposite. The end
result to the citizen may be the same, but the players have different sets
of 'morals'. Fascism is, in part, Capitalism taken to it's extreme. Our
own Democratic Republic (USA, but isn't it funny how so many Communist
countries use those words in their proper names?) can be abused to the point
where it would, to practical intents and purposes, be no different than
either a Communist or Fascist dictatorship. Already, corporations have far
too much power and control over our government. I'm all for "Joe the
Plumber" blue collar types being able to earn whatever living they choose to
work for. I have a BIG problem with corporations taking advantage of the
hard work of others to garner obscene profits (Exxon-Mobil, for one).

Obscene profit? You need to check into what their profit margins really are.
Yes, dollar wise, it might seem to be a lot, but you're disregarding the volume
of product sold. You're looking at dollar return rather the percentage earned on
each dollar spent.

It's my understanding that there is a much higher profit margin on let's say,
cosmetics, computer software and even bottled water.

Check MicroSoft, where I've heard their margin is over 20% vs 8-10% for an oil
company and say 14% or more for cosmetics.

(OT) : NAZI - Hate Speech is HATE SPEECH : NEOCON - Again Hate Speechis HATE SPEECH
 

On Nov 18, 7:13*pm, Mike wrote:
On Nov 18, 5:31 pm, RHF wrote:





NAZI = "The-N-Word" of any Political Discussion.

NAZI = SOCIALIST = MARXIST = COMMUNIST = BAD PEOPLE

NAZI = FASCIST = SKINHEAD = NEOCON = BAD PEOPLE

Looks like "Neocon" has become the new name
calling word for 'nazi' in the 21st Century.

Plus calling some one a "Neocon" has those
subtle Anti-Jewish undertones -and- "Neocon"
has a decided Anti-Israel-Zionist Overtone.

just say no to 'nazi' type name calling ~ RHF
.

Roy,

Real Nazis represent one of the most evil forces in history. You are
right that anyone that anyone that suggests that a Neocon is the same
as a Nazi is clearly exaggerating. Here's the way it really is:

Neocons embrace conservatism. Nazis also embraced conservatism, but in
a very extreme form of statist nationalism. Think neocon on steroids.
While most neocons are not racists, many of their positions on
national patriotism, national security, and the importance of security
over individual freedoms, are definitely pointed in the same fascist
direction that the Nazis started with.

Liberals are not the same as Marxists or Socialists. But, just as the
neocons are moving in the same direction as Nazis, the liberals are
more like Marxist or Commies than Nazis. A Marxist is like a liberal
on nasty steroids. Nazis are the opposite of Marxists or Socialists.
One of Hitler's first steps toward World War was to burn down the
Reichstag and blame it on the Commies and Socialists. The Nazi
Fascists fought against the Soviet Marxists in WW2. It is estimated
that 25 million Marxists died fighting the invading Fascist Nazis.
Anyone that calls a Commie Marxist a Nazi or a Fascist is attempting
to re-write history.

So, neocons are not fascists and liberal are not Marxists. Both
extremes are undesirable. Unless real American stand up to these
foolish exaggerations, the people that distort history for their own
political ends will prevent the people of this nation from uniting and
really dealing with our societal problems.

Obama is not a Marxist and I don't think most neocons (with the
possible exception of Dick "Shotgun" Cheney) are Nazis. Let's stop
this foolishness and realize that such hyperbole is a clear indication
of a crackpot.

I'm willing to bet that I'm the only one in this thread that has
actual college degrees in Government and Public Affairs.

Mike

Mike - You are Replying to an Off-Topic Post
and Your Posting itself id OFF-TOPIC :

1 - NAZI - Hate Speech is HATE SPEECH

Someone who says the word NAZI with Venom
in their Mouth and Murderous Hate in their
Heart for another is is as bad or badder
then the persons that they may be attacking
with their Hate Speech.

2 - NEOCON - Again Hate Speech is HATE SPEECH

Again someone who says the word NEOCON with
Venom in their Mouth and Murderous Hate in
their Heart for another is is as bad or badder
then the persons that they may be attacking
with their Hate Speech.

the message is simple : don't promote hate in
your speech and use words that are hateful in
and of themselves : true tolerance and
understanding starts with you; and is reflected
in your 'choice' of words : 'choose' your words
wisely - liberally speaking that is ~ RHF

(OT) : NAZI = "The-N-Word" of any Political Discussion has aReplacement 'Neocon'
 

On Nov 19, 5:51*am, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote:

Looks like "Neocon" has become the new name
calling word for 'nazi' in the 21st Century.

- - Plus calling some one a "Neocon" has those
- - subtle Anti-Jewish undertones -and- "Neocon"
- - has a decided Anti-Israel-Zionist Overtone.

- Neocons tend to align with the Zionists, actually.
-*You should really learn before shooting off your mouth.

Dave,

Which part of 'anti' don't you understand ?

omif ~ RHF