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The Separation of Church and State in America Today.,
Kurt_Lochner wrote:
David Hartung wrote: wrote: David Hartung deleted and then bleated: wrote: - - - - Sorry Hartung, but you get told over and over by several who answer you----that either you're one of the most ill-infomed idiots on the usnet, or you're pretending to be. NO ONE sits by the 700 club channel recording Robertson take credit for keeping hurricanes from hitting the SE seaboard coast----but the PUBLIC RECORD has recorded it, reported it, and laughed about it THere isn't a week that goes by that Roberston doesn't attribute the deviance from HIS interpretation of dispensationalism to be the cause of "gods wrath" and THAT gets reported and aired in the media He attributed the Twin Towers on "gays" and god doing it because we're not following HIS interpretation of Scripture Falwell sends out weekly news letters (now his son does of course) railing against the god-less Americans and how THEY'RE bringing the misery and woe onto America If YOU'RE going to be informed, YOU need to find out what they're saying and use YOUR powers of intellect (or lack thereof) to ferret out the bull**** that you automatically spout as IF it were truth Dobson is famous for his attribution of fundamentalist religious nuttery into political ideology----even forcing Neut Gingrich to include his "3-pt agenda" into the budgets just prior to the Government shutdown by republicans "I" shouldn't have to "cite that, you idiot Any INFORMED American knows it. The claim was that Robertson, Falwell and Dobson have claimed that Republicans have the corner on Christianity. You are again dishonestly trying to reframe what was said.. From earlier in the thread: Soumay Nonay wrote: I've been told the Republican Party has exclusive franchise on Christianity; it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a non-Republican to enter the Kingdom of God. You have yet to provide a single quote to support that claim. ANd I pointed you to the three top christofascists operating massive media outlets and you claim you've never heard of their views. I am not aware that any of the better known "televangelists" are "fascists" of any brand. You must live in a very sheltered environment, David.. Your blind political ignorance is showing again. You have three fingers again pointed back at yourself.. The other person stated earlier that he had some of Dobson's semi-private correspondence. To be certain, these types of religious charlatans have *NO* business becoming involved in political matters. Crossing that 'line' isn't 'biblical' in any sense of the word, and the last time a 'religion' got involved in political affairs, it didn't turn out well.. There have been many times throughout history, where the Christian Church has gotten in bed with government. What specifically are you referring to? Some of this involvement was very good for the Church, in a secular sense. Spiritually, such involvement was always a disaster. |
The Separation of Church and Statein America Today..
Kurt_Lochner wrote:
David Hartung wrote: wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:04:32 -0600, David Hartung wrote: I don't pay any attention to the gentlemen in question. I have grave doubts that what they teach is truly the Word of God. See, that's the point, Hartung Millions do----and they send tens of millions in contributions to the *******s who in turn funnel it into PACs to inject religious belief into law Dobson has/had enough control over the GOP platform committee to have had the power to summon Neut Gingrich and the entire GOP leadership before him and threaten them with retaliation unless his "agenda" was included in legislation pending before government. When, specifically did this happen? March 18th, 1998.. US News, May 4, 1998 http://www.usnews.com A Righteous Indignation James Dobson--psychologist, radio host, family-values crusader - - is set to topple the political establishment BY MICHAEL J. GERSON On March 18, in the basement of the Capitol, 25 House Republicans met with psychologist James Dobson for some emotional venting. But this was not personal therapy; it concerned the fate of their party. Dobson, long on loyal radio listeners and short on patience, was threatening, in effect, to bring down the GOP unless it made conservative social issues, including abortion, a higher legislative priority. "If I go," he has said, "I will do everything I can to take as many people with me as possible." In the audience sat some of Dobson's closest ideological allies. Rep. Steve Largent of Oklahoma, a former star football player, was a volunteer speaker for Dobson's organization, Focus on the Family, from 1990 to 1993. He credits this with "sparking my interest in public policy." Rep. James Talent of Missouri, years before, had pulled off the highway and prayed along with Dobson on the radio to become a Christian. "He is the instrument through which I committed my life to Christ. It is the single most important thing that has ever or will ever happen to me." But for over two hours, until nearly midnight, House conservatives confronted Dobson about his indiscriminate attacks on the Republican Party, asking credit for achievements he had ignored. At one point the wife of a congressman, in tears, explained how Dobson's broadside had hurt their family, inviting harsh questions from friends. An emotional Dobson, according to one witness, responded, "I'm so sorry I hurt you." Sobered, Dobson canceled planned meetings with the New York Times and the Washington Post, where he would have laid out his threat to leave. But in the next two weeks, he sent lengthy, public letters renewing the threat, which hangs in the air like distant thunder at the Republican picnic. This conflict dramatizes a growing gap between grass-roots conservatism and governing conservatism, between the raised expectations of activists and the weary realism of legislators. It reveals a party that may be crumbling, not at its periphery but at its center, among its most loyal supporters. And it may be signaling a major shift in the attitudes of Christian conservatives toward politics." Dobson went to the Capitol building, Dobson went to the Republicans. That is a far cry from "summoning" the leaders of the GOP. Tii bad the divorce never became final.. Your loss, I suppose.. Recently, the religious reich component of the GOP demographic began to push Sarah Pallin to prominence and she WILL be backed by that rightwing faction----which is needed by any republican to win the nomination. But the real point is that YOU are ignorant of what they do. Actually, your posting indicates that it is you who is ignorant No, David.. That would not be truthful at all.. Then you come around here and babble your ignorant beliefs and demand everyone clue you in to make up for your lack of knowledge. When did a polite request become a demand? When did your evasive questions become a 'polite request'? --And, when did you first rely upon that, instead of honest answers.. |
The Separation of Church and State in America Today.,
Kurt_Lochner wrote:
David Hartung wrote: Kurt_Lochner wrote: David Hartung wrote: wrote: David Hartung deleted and then bleated: wrote: - - - - - - Sorry Hartung, but you get told over and over by several who answer you----that either you're one of the most ill-infomed idiots on the usnet, or you're pretending to be. NO ONE sits by the 700 club channel recording Robertson take credit for keeping hurricanes from hitting the SE seaboard coast----but the PUBLIC RECORD has recorded it, reported it, and laughed about it THere isn't a week that goes by that Roberston doesn't attribute the deviance from HIS interpretation of dispensationalism to be the cause of "gods wrath" and THAT gets reported and aired in the media He attributed the Twin Towers on "gays" and god doing it because we're not following HIS interpretation of Scripture Falwell sends out weekly news letters (now his son does of course) railing against the god-less Americans and how THEY'RE bringing the misery and woe onto America If YOU'RE going to be informed, YOU need to find out what they're saying and use YOUR powers of intellect (or lack thereof) to ferret out the bull**** that you automatically spout as IF it were truth Dobson is famous for his attribution of fundamentalist religious nuttery into political ideology----even forcing Neut Gingrich to include his "3-pt agenda" into the budgets just prior to the Government shutdown by republicans "I" shouldn't have to "cite that, you idiot Any INFORMED American knows it. The claim was that Robertson, Falwell and Dobson have claimed that Republicans have the corner on Christianity. You are again dishonestly trying to reframe what was said.. From earlier in the thread: Soumay Nonay wrote: "I've been told the Republican Party has exclusive franchise on Christianity; it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a non-Republican to enter the Kingdom of God." So you don't agree with the observation that Robertson, Falwell and Dobson's alleged "churches" are predominantly involved in politics, particularly the Republican party? May I once again suggest that yo learn to read? your understanding of the quote I provided is completely wrong. |
The Separation of Church and State in America Today.,
David Hartung wrote:
Kurt_Lochner wrote: David Hartung wrote: Kurt_Lochner wrote: David Hartung wrote: wrote: David Hartung deleted and then bleated: wrote: - - - - - - - - Sorry Hartung, but you get told over and over by several who answer you----that either you're one of the most ill-infomed idiots on the usnet, or you're pretending to be. NO ONE sits by the 700 club channel recording Robertson take credit for keeping hurricanes from hitting the SE seaboard coast----but the PUBLIC RECORD has recorded it, reported it, and laughed about it THere isn't a week that goes by that Roberston doesn't attribute the deviance from HIS interpretation of dispensationalism to be the cause of "gods wrath" and THAT gets reported and aired in the media He attributed the Twin Towers on "gays" and god doing it because we're not following HIS interpretation of Scripture Falwell sends out weekly news letters (now his son does of course) railing against the god-less Americans and how THEY'RE bringing the misery and woe onto America If YOU'RE going to be informed, YOU need to find out what they're saying and use YOUR powers of intellect (or lack thereof) to ferret out the bull**** that you automatically spout as IF it were truth Dobson is famous for his attribution of fundamentalist religious nuttery into political ideology----even forcing Neut Gingrich to include his "3-pt agenda" into the budgets just prior to the Government shutdown by republicans "I" shouldn't have to "cite that, you idiot Any INFORMED American knows it. The claim was that Robertson, Falwell and Dobson have claimed that Republicans have the corner on Christianity. You are again dishonestly trying to reframe what was said.. From earlier in the thread: Soumay Nonay wrote: "I've been told the Republican Party has exclusive franchise on Christianity; it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a non-Republican to enter the Kingdom of God." So you don't agree with the observation that Robertson, Falwell and Dobson's alleged "churches" are predominantly involved in politics, particularly the Republican party? How quaint.. May I once again suggest that yo learn to read? No.. May I again suggest that "yo" learn to proof-read? your understanding of the quote I provided is completely wrong. Nope, the context which you're trying to misrepresent that quote with is lacking a few details that I find amusing.. --And typical of a right-wing zealot.. |
The Separation of Church and State in America Today.,
Kurt_Lochner wrote:
David Hartung wrote: Kurt_Lochner wrote: David Hartung wrote: Kurt_Lochner wrote: David Hartung wrote: wrote: David Hartung deleted and then bleated: wrote: - - - - - - - - Sorry Hartung, but you get told over and over by several who answer you----that either you're one of the most ill-infomed idiots on the usnet, or you're pretending to be. NO ONE sits by the 700 club channel recording Robertson take credit for keeping hurricanes from hitting the SE seaboard coast----but the PUBLIC RECORD has recorded it, reported it, and laughed about it THere isn't a week that goes by that Roberston doesn't attribute the deviance from HIS interpretation of dispensationalism to be the cause of "gods wrath" and THAT gets reported and aired in the media He attributed the Twin Towers on "gays" and god doing it because we're not following HIS interpretation of Scripture Falwell sends out weekly news letters (now his son does of course) railing against the god-less Americans and how THEY'RE bringing the misery and woe onto America If YOU'RE going to be informed, YOU need to find out what they're saying and use YOUR powers of intellect (or lack thereof) to ferret out the bull**** that you automatically spout as IF it were truth Dobson is famous for his attribution of fundamentalist religious nuttery into political ideology----even forcing Neut Gingrich to include his "3-pt agenda" into the budgets just prior to the Government shutdown by republicans "I" shouldn't have to "cite that, you idiot Any INFORMED American knows it. The claim was that Robertson, Falwell and Dobson have claimed that Republicans have the corner on Christianity. You are again dishonestly trying to reframe what was said.. From earlier in the thread: Soumay Nonay wrote: "I've been told the Republican Party has exclusive franchise on Christianity; it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a non-Republican to enter the Kingdom of God." So you don't agree with the observation that Robertson, Falwell and Dobson's alleged "churches" are predominantly involved in politics, particularly the Republican party? How quaint.. May I once again suggest that yo learn to read? No.. May I again suggest that "yo" learn to proof-read? Point taken. your understanding of the quote I provided is completely wrong. Nope, the context which you're trying to misrepresent that quote with is lacking a few details that I find amusing.. --And typical of a right-wing zealot.. From what I see, you are making excuses. Typical. |
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The Separation of Church and State in America Today.,
David Hartung wrote:
Kurt_Lochner wrote: David Hartung wrote: Kurt_Lochner wrote: David Hartung wrote: Kurt_Lochner wrote: David Hartung wrote: wrote: David Hartung deleted and then bleated: wrote: - - - - - - - - - - Sorry Hartung, but you get told over and over by several who answer you----that either you're one of the most ill-infomed idiots on the usnet, or you're pretending to be. NO ONE sits by the 700 club channel recording Robertson take credit for keeping hurricanes from hitting the SE seaboard coast----but the PUBLIC RECORD has recorded it, reported it, and laughed about it THere isn't a week that goes by that Roberston doesn't attribute the deviance from HIS interpretation of dispensationalism to be the cause of "gods wrath" and THAT gets reported and aired in the media He attributed the Twin Towers on "gays" and god doing it because we're not following HIS interpretation of Scripture Falwell sends out weekly news letters (now his son does of course) railing against the god-less Americans and how THEY'RE bringing the misery and woe onto America If YOU'RE going to be informed, YOU need to find out what they're saying and use YOUR powers of intellect (or lack thereof) to ferret out the bull**** that you automatically spout as IF it were truth Dobson is famous for his attribution of fundamentalist religious nuttery into political ideology----even forcing Neut Gingrich to include his "3-pt agenda" into the budgets just prior to the Government shutdown by republicans "I" shouldn't have to "cite that, you idiot Any INFORMED American knows it. The claim was that Robertson, Falwell and Dobson have claimed that Republicans have the corner on Christianity. You are again dishonestly trying to reframe what was said.. From earlier in the thread: Soumay Nonay wrote: "I've been told the Republican Party has exclusive franchise on Christianity; it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a non-Republican to enter the Kingdom of God." So you don't agree with the observation that Robertson, Falwell and Dobson's alleged "churches" are predominantly involved in politics, particularly the Republican party? How quaint.. May I once again suggest that yo learn to read? No.. May I again suggest that "yo" learn to proof-read? Point taken. Good.. You've made several typos which I could almost qualify as Freudian Slips in the past 72 hours.. your understanding of the quote I provided is completely wrong. Nope, the context which you're trying to misrepresent that quote with is lacking a few details that I find amusing.. --And typical of a right-wing zealot.. From what I see, you are making excuses. No, you're the one making excuses, David. You've again deliberately tried to 'reframe' this discussion to suit your opinion, rather than openly discussing how the churches led by Dobson, Falwell and Robertson (eg "Moral Majority", "religious right") have violated the separation of church and state.. You're even blindly assuming that these 'religious' figures haven't been trying to build themselves 'empires' that have attempted to force the Republican party candidates to accept some of Dobson, Robertson, et al's religious agenda.. If you're going to quibble those facts, then you're not only being dishonest with me, you're being dishonest with yourself.. --Which, again, is typical for a right-wing zealot.. |
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