Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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On Dec 20, 7:51�pm, Dave wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.

While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.

Eduardo is poo-pooing AM radio, because he knows that IBOC has been a
disaster, and that AM contains the successful news/talk/sports
formats.

Then why are they moving to FM? It's because their revenues are crashing on
AM because the salable age groups, under 55, don't listen to AM much. AM is
dead for those under 50.

Large AM stations, such as WLW, serve many states - something
FMs can't claim.

Anything outside the local metro is not salable, and thus, irrelevant. WLW's
day signal covers the metro and some distance beyond, but the revenue only
comes from the metro.

Yea, the AM dial is more than full of AM stations.
The FM dial is full, and only so many AMs can be moved/simulcast on FM.

The moves are being done by buying and reprogramming an FM, or reprogramming
one already owned. It's quite simple.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 2:59*pm, PocketRadio wrote:
On Dec 20, 5:33*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:



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If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the
HD radio "deployment" is on track?

No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be
anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all
that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD.

Do you think iBiquity investors

will ever want to see a return on their investment?

It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons
broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the
biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals.

Are broadcasters

pleased with consumer response to HD radio?

There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips
arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to
get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of
that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory.

Is HD radio making any

money or is it still sustained by investor dollars?

It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD.

*Doesn't it all

come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait
on consumers and receiver technology to catch up?

Sure. Not much cost.

There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not
to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line
concerning its relationship to iBiquity.

The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic
not facts on their side.

"It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a
bunch
of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for
narrowcasting,
like a national Hindi network on HD. "

"Radio: HD Radio's holiday horror"

- "We already have too many radio stations on terrestrial AM and FM...
- If every man, woman and child in this great country of ours had
- complete and total access to HD Radio – it would obliterate the
radio
- industry. You’d have listeners spread out on to too many radio
- stations for any one station to show effective reach and frequency.
Do
- the math. This blue sky world for HD Radio would put all radio out
of
- business. No one station would have enough listeners to justify
- advertising."

OK so an Over-Populated Market would become
de-populated and the Local Business Advertising
Model would 'adjust' to a potentially more profitable
enterprise.

sounds like progress in the right direction ~ RHF


http://tinyurl.moc/6omhpv

"Radio: The U.K.'s Digital death notice"

"Ferrara came out of hiding this week to fallaciously proclaim that HD
radio-only stations – those that you can hear only on an HD Radio
receiver - are writing business and making money... Reality check: HD
Radio isn’t going to bill anything – period."

http://tinyurl.moc/33mtuo

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 9:37�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

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On Dec 20, 7:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a
lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin."

"NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008
."

http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk

Oh, really?

You really expect an opinion in favor of HD by a direct competitor of
terrestrial radio? The link you have posted goes to a site run by a
proponent of cellular programming delivery. They hate radio.

The HD Radio farce is up, Eduardo - 75+ countries have visited my
blog, including iBiquity investors, automakers, retailers,
manufacturers, the FCC, DOJ, US Courts, Congress, Congressional
Quarterly, consumer groups, radio groups, Government Agencies, radio
consultants, and of course CCU out of Austin. Here's the link to my
Google Analytics summary:

http://tinyurl.com/9365ho

I could only include 500, out of the 2,500 network locations:

http://tinyurl.com/a6mmdn

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 9:41�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

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On Dec 20, 7:51 pm, Dave wrote:





David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.

While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.

Eduardo is poo-pooing AM radio, because he knows that IBOC has been a
disaster, and that AM contains the successful news/talk/sports
formats.

Then why are they moving to FM? It's because their revenues are crashing on
AM because the salable age groups, under 55, don't listen to AM much. AM is
dead for those under 50.

Large AM stations, such as WLW, serve many states - something
FMs can't claim.

Anything outside the local metro is not salable, and thus, irrelevant. WLW's
day signal covers the metro and some distance beyond, but the revenue only
comes from the metro.

Yea, the AM dial is more than full of AM stations.
The FM dial is full, and only so many AMs can be moved/simulcast on FM.

The moves are being done by buying and reprogramming an FM, or reprogramming
one already owned. It's quite simple.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh - Arbitron has visited 4 times...

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 4:23*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

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What about iBiquity? *Are they not deeply in dept? *It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment.

You have to separate iBiquity from the stations. iBiquity has relatively
little debt, and is financed with burn capital like most startups.

The radio stations are willing to continue HD programming, as they did for 3
decades with FM, in the hope the system will be more valuable.

It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. *With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

The low power chipsets are shipping, so 2009 should see both more varied
programming and new radios.

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. *There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. *Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. *I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of
HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin. And much of the startup money came from
radio itself... and technologt vc firms.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. *Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the
offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do
sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of
reasons to be happy with HD.

OK,

Convince the Saudis to Finance a Islamic 24/7 Koran
Reading and Preaching Nation-Wide HD-2 FM Radio
Network and you will have a HD-Radio Gold Mine : With
every Mosque promoting HD-Radio to the True Believers.

allah is good and even better on hd2-radio ~ RHF

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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75+ countries have visited my
blog, including iBiquity investors, automakers, retailers,
manufacturers, the FCC, DOJ, US Courts, Congress, Congressional
Quarterly, consumer groups, radio groups, Government Agencies, radio
consultants, and of course CCU out of Austin. Here's the link to my
Google Analytics summary:

I can visit Hugo Chavez' presidential website, but that does not mean I even
remotely like what Chavez says.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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Oh - Arbitron has visited 4 times...

So? Arbitron has nothing to do with whether HD succeeds, is liked or
disliked.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"RHF" wrote in message
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Convince the Saudis to Finance a Islamic 24/7 Koran
Reading and Preaching Nation-Wide HD-2 FM Radio
Network and you will have a HD-Radio Gold Mine : With
every Mosque promoting HD-Radio to the True Believers.

Except for the Saudi part, that is not a bad idea. Using the multiple
potential channels of HD (HD 2, HD3, etc) for such smaller constituencies is
an excellent idea. There are Koran reading stations all over the Arab world,
and it would be much used by US Muslims. Obviously, it could not be
commercial but could be listener financed.

In a way, the Hindi channel on HD-2's in many cities is comparable. And both
represent the potential and real use of HD

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 9:32 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
On Dec 20, 7:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:



wrote in message

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What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment.

You have to separate iBiquity from the stations. iBiquity has relatively
little debt, and is financed with burn capital like most startups.

The radio stations are willing to continue HD programming, as they did for 3
decades with FM, in the hope the system will be more valuable.

It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

The low power chipsets are shipping, so 2009 should see both more varied
programming and new radios.

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of
HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin. And much of the startup money came from
radio itself... and technologt vc firms.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the
offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do
sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of
reasons to be happy with HD.

"New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a
lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin."

"NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008

"There was continued top-down advocacy of HD Radio from David Rehr,
but little support from attendees, and even small signs of revolt on
the subject. It was good to see the clear disconnect on this issue, as
it is forcing radio’s leaders to look more diligently toward viable
solutions that fit the demands of today’s consumer, rather than
depending on a delegated entity to secure radio’s longevity."

http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk

Oh, really?

I heard that at the last NAB convention HD radio had little support
also - just a few very vocal nuisances. Most attendees just put up
with them.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

wrote in message
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I heard that at the last NAB convention HD radio had little support
also - just a few very vocal nuisances. Most attendees just put up
with them.

Obviously, you were not there. The Austin NAB (not the Vegas one, which is
now nearly all TV) had more HD sessions and better attendance than any I
have seen. As always, the early technical sessions were well attended, too.
The only sessions with greater attendance were the PPM ones by Colman and a
couple of other guest presenters.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 6:37*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

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On Dec 20, 7:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a
lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin."

"NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008
."

http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk

Oh, really?

- You really expect an opinion in favor of HD
- by a direct competitor of terrestrial radio?
-
- The link you have posted goes to a site run
- by a proponent of cellular programming delivery.
- They hate radio.

$39+ USD per Month for a Cellfone
plus Extra $$$ for 'content' Ain't Free [.]

i-pod-u-not ~ RHF

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

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On Dec 20, 11:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Dec 20, 11:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

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I heard that at the last NAB convention HD radio had little support
also - just a few very vocal nuisances. Most attendees just put up
with them.

Obviously, you were not there. The Austin NAB (not the Vegas one,
which
is
now nearly all TV) had more HD sessions and better attendance than any
I
have seen. As always, the early technical sessions were well attended,
too.
The only sessions with greater attendance were the PPM ones by Colman
and
a
couple of other guest presenters.

Were you there?

Yes, but I was not a speaker this year.

Sorry I wasn't there. You must be a radio insider. What is it that
you do?

www.davidgleason.com

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

wrote in message
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On Dec 21, 12:00 am, wrote:
On Dec 20, 11:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:



wrote in message

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On Dec 20, 11:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

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I heard that at the last NAB convention HD radio had little support
also - just a few very vocal nuisances. Most attendees just put up
with them.

Obviously, you were not there. The Austin NAB (not the Vegas one,
which
is
now nearly all TV) had more HD sessions and better attendance than
any I
have seen. As always, the early technical sessions were well
attended,
too.
The only sessions with greater attendance were the PPM ones by
Colman and
a
couple of other guest presenters.

Were you there?

Yes, but I was not a speaker this year.

Sorry I wasn't there. You must be a radio insider. What is it that
you do?

And what is it that you spoke on?

I said I did not speak this year. I had been on a research panel at NAB
Europe last fall, and they try to get variety in speakers and panelists.

I've been on NAB, RAB, NARBA, PRBA, AMA, AIR, R&R, Billboard and other
panels probably about 20 or so times, mostly on programming or management
subjects.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

wrote in message
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On Dec 21, 12:00 am, wrote:
On Dec 20, 11:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:



wrote in message

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On Dec 20, 11:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

...
I heard that at the last NAB convention HD radio had little support
also - just a few very vocal nuisances. Most attendees just put up
with them.

Obviously, you were not there. The Austin NAB (not the Vegas one,
which
is
now nearly all TV) had more HD sessions and better attendance than
any I
have seen. As always, the early technical sessions were well
attended,
too.
The only sessions with greater attendance were the PPM ones by
Colman and
a
couple of other guest presenters.

Were you there?

Yes, but I was not a speaker this year.

Sorry I wasn't there. You must be a radio insider. What is it that
you do?

And what is it that you spoke on?

An example... http://www.davidgleason.com/2004_NAB.htm

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 9:51*am, BoobleStubble wrote:
On Dec 20, 11:35 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:



wrote in message

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Eduardo - Serious question.

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

The unavailability radios, the low number of stations converting, the
dwindling dollars available, zero consumer interest and ethical
problems at the FCC - Not much to report. 2009 looks bleak also.
Where do you think it's headed?

IBiquity could spin the facts in previous years but it's going to be
tough this year. Even if low power radios become available in 2009
(and they don't require huge external antennas to work) the window is
closing fast.

What would be the incentive for stations to convert or continue to pay
fees to iBiquity in 2009?

Most of the early adopter stations pay no fees or a very, very tiny fee.. So
that's not an issue. Getting more stations is not an issue, either... 90% of
the US population is already covered. This is pretty much a major market
issue.

The only issue is getting receivers out. That is a marketing issue, and one
that depends on cheap, portable chipsets. In a recession, I don't see that
happening fast. But I don't see WiMax happening fast, either, so there is a
wider window.

As to AM, the band is dying. The major format, news / talk is moving to FM
and what will be left will be drek. HD on AM at that point becomes
irrelevant.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere. *

- The HD conversion has stalled

- that was the original point
of HD, to get all stations to convert. I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet. My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast. The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide. Obama's administation is going after the FCC, and it is
only a matter of time when the HD Radio scandal gets investigated.

"BS" - Hello the Whole US Economy is S-T-A-L-L-E-D

The present Number of US American Radio Stations that are
Authorized to Transmit IBOC "HD" Digital Radio Signals :

* AM = 271 out of a Total of 4778 ~ 5.7% [1 in 17]
-fwiw- Ten Years Ago the Total AM Radio Stations
was 4727 {Decade Growth of 1.1%}

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"David Eduardo" wrote in news:aye3l.11113$c45.6040
@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com:

AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM.

Gives us BCB DXers a sporting chance.

Also, you are full of ****.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 21, 12:26 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Dec 20, 11:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Dec 20, 11:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

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I heard that at the last NAB convention HD radio had little support
also - just a few very vocal nuisances. Most attendees just put up
with them.

Obviously, you were not there. The Austin NAB (not the Vegas one,
which
is
now nearly all TV) had more HD sessions and better attendance than any
I
have seen. As always, the early technical sessions were well attended,
too.
The only sessions with greater attendance were the PPM ones by Colman
and
a
couple of other guest presenters.

Were you there?

Yes, but I was not a speaker this year.

Sorry I wasn't there. You must be a radio insider. What is it that
you do?

www.davidgleason.com

OH - I see.........

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"David Eduardo" wrote in
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The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither
logic not facts on their side.

By 2012, cars will have Internet radio stations available.

It's dying, and so are you.

More and More AM Radio Stations Moving To The FM Radio Band
 

On Dec 20, 2:41*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"BoobleStubble" wrote in message

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Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that
are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear
channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM....
other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New
Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others
just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are.

*The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original pointof HD, to get
all stations to convert.

No, that was not. The objective was to get the viable FMs and AMs in the top
100 markets on, and with few, few exceptions, they are.

I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet.

WiMax allows for high speed mobile internet. It will allow for the possible
success of internet only stations, local and national.

My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast.

No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static location for
good reception.

The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide.

That is opposite of the truth, as the Clearwire - Sprint deal proved
(although the two could not come to final terms)

KCBS is now simulcasting on FM in the SF Bay Area and
KGO is watching as well as KSFO and others with so
many under-performing FM Radio Stations in SF Bay Area
and elsewhere : Will 'others' follow suit and take the first
step {Simulcast} to eventually becoming FM Only News &
Talk-Radio Stations ? ? ?

"AM" Radio : The "All Might" Radio Band !
 

On Dec 20, 4:42*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:

AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM.

Plenty of 50kw AMs left:

Not one is #1 in sales demos, and the programming is moving to FM, leaving
far less appealing fare on the AM, which will eventually, like the band,
die.

If AMBCB goes dead as you say,
there'll be plenty of pirates to fill that audience rich void.
All those receivers aren't going to just disappear.
Oh, and what's the timetable for the extinction of commercial AMBCBers,
seems my dial is full of them any night of the week?

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

AM BCB will 'DIE' when there can be a an Orderly
Divestiture {Write-Off} of the Properties by the owning
Corporations. Give them to Churches and Write Them
"Off" as a Charitable Donation.

"AM" Radio : The "All Might" Radio Band ! ~ RHF

(OT) : PONG PocketRadio - 'we' as in "WE" : So You Are A SHILL forSatellite Radio
 

On Dec 20, 3:50*pm, PocketRadio wrote:
On Dec 20, 5:43 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"elaich" wrote in ...
wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a-
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Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd..

AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM.

"News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed...
Right now -- while FMs are losing the music
audience to new media --

- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports
- programming than we can fit on AM radio..."
- http://ftp.media.radcity.ten/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm

(OT) : PONG PocketRadio - 'we' as in "WE" :
So You Are A SHILL for Satellite Radio

well that explains all the 'anti' am & fm radio posts ~ RHF

IBOC : FM HD2-Radio Networks - HD-Radio's Bridge To The Future
 

"RHF" wrote in message
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Non-Catholic Hispanic Religious Groups could use a
non-english "All Spanish" FM HD2-Radio Network to
get their unique religious message out to their community.

Univision Radio already has a contemporary Christian format on HD2 channels
in a large variety of markets.

In most cases, though, the teaching and preaching stations in Spanish are on
AM... nearly every significant Hispanic market has one now.

IBOC : FM HD2-Radio Networks - HD-Radio's Bridge To The Future
 

On Dec 21, 3:36 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Univision Radio already has a contemporary Christian format on HD2 channels
in a large variety of markets.

Eduardo - Who's listening? If there are only 1 Million radios sold,
which is a very optimistic number by the way, how many people could
possibly be listening? How could it be self-supporting?

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

David Eduardo wrote:

It's sort of KPFK vs. KIIS. The interest in what you crave is miniscule.

Most of the world has national radio, not a lot of local content...
because it's been seen that the FCC localism policy that goes back to
the 30's was based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what listeners
wanted.


KPFK has an anal blockage of some sort. They are a terrible radio
station. Pacifica in Houston is a much better example. Radio has a
responsibility to provide a balanced diet. KIIS is like eating audio
junk food.

Localism can be as simple as having a Music Director in-house, breaking
regional hits, getting input from dance clubs, etc., rather than relying
on bozo consultants.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

PocketRadio wrote:
On Dec 20, 7:51�pm, Dave wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
...
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.
There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage)
that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A
clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can
to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL
in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and
WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable
listeners are.
While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk
to FM.

Eduardo is poo-pooing AM radio, because he knows that IBOC has been a
disaster, and that AM contains the successful news/talk/sports
formats. Large AM stations, such as WLW, serve many states - something
FMs can't claim. Yea, the AM dial is more than full of AM stations.
The FM dial is full, and only so many AMs can be moved/simulcast on FM.

The FMs around here are blocked by mountains. KNX and KFI "Keep
Fascists Informed" have no issues with mountains.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

David Eduardo wrote:


Anything outside the local metro is not salable, and thus, irrelevant.

Are the people who rely on such stations also irrelevant, because they
live 50 miles out of town? Why don't we pile up the 50 KW stations like
we do on 1240 and 1400? Build one every 300 miles like TV channels?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

§ 73.21 Classes of AM broadcast channels and stations.

(a) Clear channel. A clear channel is one on which stations are assigned
to [SERVE] wide areas. These stations are protected from objectionable
interference within their primary [SERVICE] areas and, depending on the
class of station, their secondary [SERVICE] areas. Stations operating on
these channels are classified as follows:

(1) Class A station. A Class A station is an unlimited time station that
operates on a clear channel and is designed to render primary and
secondary [SERVICE] over an extended area and at relatively long
distances from its transmitter. Its primary [SERVICE] area is protected
from objectionable interference from other stations on the same and
adjacent channels, and its secondary [SERVICE] area is protected from
interference from other stations on the same channel. (See §73.182). The
operating power shall not be less than 10 kW nor more than 50 kW. (Also
see §73.25(a)).

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 11:26�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

...
I heard that at the last NAB convention HD radio had little support
also - just a few very vocal nuisances. �Most attendees just put up
with them.

Obviously, you were not there. The Austin NAB (not the Vegas one, which is
now nearly all TV) had more HD sessions and better attendance than any I
have seen. As always, the early technical sessions were well attended, too.
The only sessions with greater attendance were the PPM ones by Colman and a
couple of other guest presenters.

There is no support for HD outside of the HD Alliance-owned stations,
and support from them is waining - we got you!

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 20, 11:42*pm, wrote:
On Dec 20, 11:19 pm, wrote:





On Dec 20, 9:32 pm, PocketRadio wrote:

On Dec 20, 7:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message

...

What about iBiquity? *Are they not deeply in dept? *It's one thing for
stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national
Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to
receive a return on their huge investment.

You have to separate iBiquity from the stations. iBiquity has relatively
little debt, and is financed with burn capital like most startups.

The radio stations are willing to continue HD programming, as they did for 3
decades with FM, in the hope the system will be more valuable.

It's hard to believe that
HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. *With less than 1
million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the
horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD
radio as "Exciting"?

The low power chipsets are shipping, so 2009 should see both more varied
programming and new radios.

Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a
biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. *There’s lots of
discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because
I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing
altogether. *Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced
that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. *I believe Bob Struble
boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That
hardly seems likely to happen.

New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of
HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin. And much of the startup money came from
radio itself... and technologt vc firms.

Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is
difficult. *Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources
are very guarded on the subject.

Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the
offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do
sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of
reasons to be happy with HD.

"New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a
lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin."

"NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008

"There was continued top-down advocacy of HD Radio from David Rehr,
but little support from attendees, and even small signs of revolt on
the subject. It was good to see the clear disconnect on this issue, as
it is forcing radio’s leaders to look more diligently toward viable
solutions that fit the demands of today’s consumer, rather than
depending on a delegated entity to secure radio’s longevity."

http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk

Oh, really?

I heard that at the last NAB convention HD radio had little support
also - just a few very vocal nuisances. *Most attendees just put up
with them.

Eduardo,
Another thing I'm have trouble with is the statement that 90% of the
country is covered by HD radio. *Since most markets have 20 to 30 AM
and FM stations (at least) to choose from and if only a few (say 10%)
are transmitting HD how does that translate to 90% national
coverage? * Your position is bit misleading and almost sounds like a
typical iBiquity spin statement. *Unless you mean that if you can hear
ANY HD station, even if it transmits to Hindi Nationals, you have
access to HD radio and are therefore covered. *That's just plain
bogus.

90% coverage really doesn't mean much except to maybe distort
reality. *I, in fact, must live in the remaining 10% that isn't
covered by a local HD station and I only live 60 miles from
Pittsburgh.- Hide quoted text -

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"Who (whom?) do you trust?"

"Well… as I have stated before, Ibiquity’s numbers for total multi-
cast (HD-2) formats cannot be trusted. It’s not true. Those are
inflated false figures, that would disappoint and anger any consumer
investing in an HD radio. For Buffalo, NY… their website states that
there are 13 stations broadcasting in HD (one of those being AM), with
a total of 24 stations multi-casting in HD-2 (seperate format). It’s
not true. I wish they would read this! They are spreading lies. And I
as a concumer am not happy about it. Only 11 total FM stations in
Buffalo are really broadcasting in HD… and only 4 of those have a
separate multi-cast HD-2 format on the air. A few others have an HD-2
'feed' but… they are broadcasting the same format as their ‘main’
analog (i.e. HD-1) station format. A message to the President/CEO of
iBiquity: You want to gain the trust of the consumer, then update your
website so that it rings of truth and not lies."

http://hdradioblog.info/hd-radio-new...m-do-you-trust

iBiquity is lying about the numbers.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 21, 12:00�am, wrote:
On Dec 20, 11:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





wrote in message

....

On Dec 20, 11:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

...
I heard that at the last NAB convention HD radio had little support
also - just a few very vocal nuisances. �Most attendees just put up
with them.

Obviously, you were not there. The Austin NAB (not the Vegas one, which
is
now nearly all TV) had more HD sessions and better attendance than any I
have seen. As always, the early technical sessions were well attended,
too.
The only sessions with greater attendance were the PPM ones by Colman and
a
couple of other guest presenters.

Were you there?

Yes, but I was not a speaker this year.

Sorry I wasn't there. You must be a radio insider. �What is it that
you do?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, he just blogs all day long, even from work.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

On Dec 21, 12:48�am, elaich wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote in news:aye3l.11113$c45.6040
@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com:

AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM.

Gives us BCB DXers a sporting chance.

Also, you are full of ****.

For some reason Eduardo just hates AM radio - AM radio, with its
successful programming is here to stay.

More and More AM Radio Stations Moving To The FM Radio Band
 

On Dec 21, 12:51�am, RHF wrote:
On Dec 20, 2:41�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





"BoobleStubble" wrote in message

....
Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM
stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going
anywhere.

There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that
are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear
channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM...
other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New
Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others
just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are.

�The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original pointof HD, to get
all stations to convert.

No, that was not. The objective was to get the viable FMs and AMs in the top
100 markets on, and with few, few exceptions, they are.

I don't see WiMax as a huge
issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the
Internet.

WiMax allows for high speed mobile internet. It will allow for the possible
success of internet only stations, local and national.

My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet
is real fast.

No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static location for
good reception.

The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services
nation-wide.

That is opposite of the truth, as the Clearwire - Sprint deal proved
(although the two could not come to final terms)

KCBS is now simulcasting on FM in the SF Bay Area and
KGO is watching as well as KSFO and others with so
many under-performing FM Radio Stations in SF Bay Area
and elsewhere : Will 'others' follow suit and take the first
step {Simulcast} to eventually becoming FM Only News &
Talk-Radio Stations ? ? ?
�.
All News KCBS-AM on 740 kHz goes to . . .
FM 106.9 MHz in the SF Bay Areahttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/487324639bfd2f89
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Simulcasting doesn't mean that they are turning off the AMs.

(OT) : PONG PocketRadio - 'we' as in "WE" : So You Are A SHILLfor Satellite Radio
 

On Dec 21, 1:07�am, RHF wrote:
On Dec 20, 3:50�pm, PocketRadio wrote:





On Dec 20, 5:43 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"elaich" wrote in ...
wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a-
:

Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a
year was it for iBiquitys HD radio?

More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd.

AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM.

"News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed...
Right now -- while FMs are losing the music
audience to new media --

- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports
- programming than we can fit on AM radio..."
-http://ftp.media.radcity.ten/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm

(OT) : PONG PocketRadio - 'we' as in "WE" :
So You Are A SHILL for Satellite Radio

well that explains all the 'anti' am & fm radio posts ~ RHF
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We had standard Satrad in our new cars, but elected not to sign up. I
wouldn't waste my money on Satrad, anymore than buy into the HD Radio
scam.

IBOC : FM HD2-Radio Networks - HD-Radio's Bridge To The Future
 

On Dec 21, 8:17�am, wrote:
On Dec 21, 3:36 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Univision Radio already has a contemporary Christian format on HD2 channels
in a large variety of markets.

Eduardo - Who's listening? �If there are only 1 Million radios sold,
which is a very optimistic number by the way, how many people could
possibly be listening? �How could it be self-supporting?

"HD Radio spinners claim a breakthrough year: Pulling a fast one"

"According to a press release from the Alliance 330,000 HD receivers
were sold last year. This is a 725 per cent increase from the 40,000
sets purchased a year earlier and therefore 2007 was a 'breakthrough
year' for the technology. In 2008 they will sell a million of the
things."

http://tinyurl.com/4zgkaw

Try 100,000 - 200,000, after all of the returns, and multiple
purchases by those in the radio industry.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...

For some reason Eduardo just hates AM radio - AM radio, with its
successful programming is here to stay.

I don't think David "hates AM radio". He is merely stating that, as a
*business*, AM radio is dying. Sure there are still plenty of AM stations
on the air, but they are also moving to FM simulcasts as fast as they can.
How long do you think it will be before the AM part gets shut down?

In my local market here, we had a new AM sports talk station come on about 2
years ago. Frankly, I was amazed. They were *heavily* advertising that it
would be a 50,000 watt station, to cover the entire (large) metro area with
a good signal. However, 2 years later they no longer advertise 50,000
watts, they are *not* 50,000 watts (I can still barely hear it) but they
*do* have a new, powerful FM simulcast that sounds fantastic.

AM radio, with its successful programming, is moving to FM. Existing music
FM stations are the ones in trouble, because no one listens to them any
longer. MP3 players rule the music market now.

This also explains the low interest in HD. If we accept that AM is dying,
then there is obviously no need for AM HD. If FM is becoming the new AM -
mostly news/talk/sports - then again there is no need for HD since analog FM
is more than good enough for that content.

IBOC : FM HD2-Radio Networks - HD-Radio's Bridge To The Future
 

wrote in message
...
On Dec 21, 3:36 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Univision Radio already has a contemporary Christian format on HD2
channels
in a large variety of markets.

Eduardo - Who's listening? If there are only 1 Million radios sold,
which is a very optimistic number by the way, how many people could
possibly be listening? How could it be self-supporting?

The format director goes to large churches, after previously talking with
the pastor, and explains HD. Discount capons and literature are given out,
and we know of thousands of radios sold this way. The same has happened with
our Tejano network on HD2 in Texas... it's up to the station to promote the
product on the air and the sale of receivers.

If we move, let's say, 50,000 receivers in the LA market in the next year,
and each person listens an average amount of time for comparable formats,
the HD 2 channel will show in the ratings... low, but it will show.

The figure on receiver sales is over a million, by the way.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

It's sort of KPFK vs. KIIS. The interest in what you crave is miniscule.

Most of the world has national radio, not a lot of local content...
because it's been seen that the FCC localism policy that goes back to the
30's was based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what listeners
wanted.


KPFK has an anal blockage of some sort. They are a terrible radio
station. Pacifica in Houston is a much better example. Radio has a
responsibility to provide a balanced diet. KIIS is like eating audio junk
food.

The Houston staiton does no better audience wise than the LA one.

KIIS, on the other hand, reaches a third of all LA residents each week. No
matter what you think, in its target of 12-34, it reaches nearly half of all
persons weekly. They must be doing something right to serve that group with
an entertaining product.

Localism can be as simple as having a Music Director in-house, breaking
regional hits, getting input from dance clubs, etc., rather than relying
on bozo consultants.

Music is already done the way you say you wish it were done. And club play
is relevant only to dance formats, of which there are none in LA:

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:


Anything outside the local metro is not salable, and thus, irrelevant.

Are the people who rely on such stations also irrelevant, because they
live 50 miles out of town? Why don't we pile up the 50 KW stations like
we do on 1240 and 1400? Build one every 300 miles like TV channels?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

§ 73.21 Classes of AM broadcast channels and stations.

(a) Clear channel. A clear channel is one on which stations are assigned
to [SERVE] wide areas. These stations are protected from objectionable
interference within their primary [SERVICE] areas and, depending on the
class of station, their secondary [SERVICE] areas. Stations operating on
these channels are classified as follows:

Your addition of the word "serve" is totally in contradiction with
everything the commission has done over the last 70 years. Stations, when
proof of "service" was required by community ascertainment lists, etc.,
determined the ijnterests and needs of the city of license and the
surrounding communities... not the outlying communities nor those reachable
by night skip, etc.

The purpose of the clear channels was to provide night service for the
networks back in the 30's when there were only a few hundred stations on the
air (in 1941 there were still less than 1000 of them) so the affiliate
serving Palm Springs was in LA. Radio nets don't care much about nights any
more, as that is TV's territory, and the nets that exist can pick up three
or four hundred affiliates for a show like Delialah or six hundred for Coast
to Coast, obviating the need for night skywave.

If you look at http://www.davidgleason.com/Radio_Annual_1941.htm in the
pages near the front there are maps and lists of the Mutual, CBS, Red and
Blue webs, and you can see why the networks wanted the clears and got them
assigned.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...
On Dec 20, 11:26�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

...
I heard that at the last NAB convention HD radio had little support
also - just a few very vocal nuisances. �Most attendees just put up
with them.

Obviously, you were not there. The Austin NAB (not the Vegas one, which is
now nearly all TV) had more HD sessions and better attendance than any I
have seen. As always, the early technical sessions were well attended,
too.
The only sessions with greater attendance were the PPM ones by Colman and
a
couple of other guest presenters.

There is no support for HD outside of the HD Alliance-owned stations,
and support from them is waining - we got you!

In another post, I mention multiple contemporary Christian stations in
Spanish and a Tejano network... both doing very well, and neither any part
of the Alliance.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...
On Dec 21, 12:00�am, wrote:
On Dec 20, 11:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





wrote in message



Sorry I wasn't there. You must be a radio insider. �What is it that
you do?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, he just blogs all day long, even from work.

You must not work, or you would know that people have breaks, lunch hours
and even time while on conference calls to do other things. Since I work
about 70 hours a week, often in 18 hour days, my breaks are used to "clear
the mind" by things like web surfing, reading, etc.

Eduardo - Serious Question For You
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...
On Dec 21, 12:48�am, elaich wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote in
news:aye3l.11113$c45.6040
@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com:

AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM.

Gives us BCB DXers a sporting chance.

Also, you are full of ****.

For some reason Eduardo just hates AM radio - AM radio, with its
successful programming is here to stay.

AM, per the ratings and reality, is on a decline and is thus dying. Most of
the audience is over 50 or 55, so revenues are declining and very fast. In
some markets, AM represents less than 5% of the listening by persons under
55. And, most AMs are technically unable to even cover their own market, day
and night. Less than one in ten today is a viable entity...

The "successful programming" is fast moving to FM.