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Eduardo - Serious Question For You
David Eduardo wrote: "PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Dec 21, 12:00�am, wrote: On Dec 20, 11:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message Sorry I wasn't there. You must be a radio insider. �What is it that you do?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, he just blogs all day long, even from work. You must not work, or you would know that people have breaks, lunch hours and even time while on conference calls to do other things. Since I work about 70 hours a week, often in 18 hour days, my breaks are used to "clear the mind" by things like web surfing, reading, etc. BS'ing, fabricating, etc. |
More and More AM Radio Stations Moving To The FM Radio Band
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Dec 21, 12:51�am, RHF wrote: On Dec 20, 2:41�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: �. All News KCBS-AM on 740 kHz goes to . . . FM 106.9 MHz in the SF Bay Areahttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/487324639bfd2f89 �.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Simulcasting doesn't mean that they are turning off the AMs. It means they have read the tea leaves and are preparing for the time when nearly all salable listenership will be on FM. Many have taken the big format from AM to FM, like KTAR, KIRO, WTOP, etc. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
"Bob Campbell" wrote in message ... "PocketRadio" wrote in message ... For some reason Eduardo just hates AM radio - AM radio, with its successful programming is here to stay. I don't think David "hates AM radio". He is merely stating that, as a *business*, AM radio is dying. Sure there are still plenty of AM stations on the air, but they are also moving to FM simulcasts as fast as they can. How long do you think it will be before the AM part gets shut down? In my local market here, we had a new AM sports talk station come on about 2 years ago. Frankly, I was amazed. They were *heavily* advertising that it would be a 50,000 watt station, to cover the entire (large) metro area with a good signal. However, 2 years later they no longer advertise 50,000 watts, they are *not* 50,000 watts (I can still barely hear it) but they *do* have a new, powerful FM simulcast that sounds fantastic. AM radio, with its successful programming, is moving to FM. Existing music FM stations are the ones in trouble, because no one listens to them any longer. MP3 players rule the music market now. FM, where music dominates by something like 25 to 1, has not had the issues that AM has had. In fact, most of the erosion of listening is caused by AM. Were FM only numbers to be produced, listening levels would be considerably higher... another reason why AM is dying. FM music stations that are at the top of their markets in ratings do very well. None are in imminent danger of dying. It's the stations that can't find a niche or are badly managed that are in trouble. Anecdotally, I have a story of a station that failed with four or five music formats in LA. Everything was blamed by the management itself. It was sold, and form an average over 10 years of a 1 to 1.2 share, it immediately went into the 6 share range. As I said in another post, the FMs at the bottom of the ratings are there because they are doing a bad job (or are rimshots or A's in a big market), not because of lack of listeners to FM. This also explains the low interest in HD. If we accept that AM is dying, then there is obviously no need for AM HD. If FM is becoming the new AM - mostly news/talk/sports - then again there is no need for HD since analog FM is more than good enough for that content. Talk shows sound so much better in HD... I never use the analog option any more. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
"David Eduardo" wrote in message
... Talk shows sound so much better in HD... I never use the analog option any more. Talk shows sound so much better on FM. I never use the AM option any more. Seriously, no one is going to buy FMHD radios to listen to talk. That's like buying a 46" LCD 1080 HD TV to watch 1930s B/W movies. Sure, you *can*, but it is not the reason you bought the TV. |
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"Bob Campbell" wrote in message m... "David Eduardo" wrote in message ... Talk shows sound so much better in HD... I never use the analog option any more. Talk shows sound so much better on FM. I never use the AM option any more. Seriously, no one is going to buy FMHD radios to listen to talk. That's like buying a 46" LCD 1080 HD TV to watch 1930s B/W movies. Sure, you *can*, but it is not the reason you bought the TV. I agree with that.... but share-wise, talk, news talk and all news is 10% of radio listening at most and more like around 5% outside some major markets. For music, there is a nice difference and the HD2 channels are an added bonus. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
David Eduardo wrote:
The "successful programming" is fast moving to FM. You have driven the choice audience away with your lame programming. People have been leaving since the mobile CD player came on the scene. Numerically driven music programming is what drove people like me to AM and made Rush Limbaugh "relevant". Now that the only people that are left listening to music on FM are morons or public radio types, who never listen to AM on principle, why the **** not put the chaos on the FM as well? It's only a matter of time before somebody makes a 3G car radio that'll pick-up 10,000 stations. Like I do at home. Hell, 32 kb/s sounds better than most FM stations, the way you guys mangle it. |
More and More AM Radio Stations Moving To The FM Radio Band
David Eduardo wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Dec 21, 12:51�am, RHF wrote: On Dec 20, 2:41�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: �. All News KCBS-AM on 740 kHz goes to . . . FM 106.9 MHz in the SF Bay Areahttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/487324639bfd2f89 �.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Simulcasting doesn't mean that they are turning off the AMs. It means they have read the tea leaves and are preparing for the time when nearly all salable listenership will be on FM. Many have taken the big format from AM to FM, like KTAR, KIRO, WTOP, etc. But KFYI beats KTAR-FM. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
"David Eduardo" wrote in message
... I agree with that.... but share-wise, talk, news talk and all news is 10% of radio listening at most and more like around 5% outside some major markets. For music, there is a nice difference and the HD2 channels are an added bonus. But if more and more FMs are becoming news/talk/sports (and they clearly are), then that share is going to increase, and these new FMs will not be driving HD. If anything, they will be thinking "yeah we tried HD on AM and it went nowhere. Therefore we are not interested in it for our FM station". The existing music FMs can/are making use of HD (particularly the 2nd channels). I'm talking about the future. Here is my anecdote. I was seriously thinking of getting an HD radio this year. But nearly everything I listen to these days is internet radio. What I did instead was get some low power AM and FM transmitters. I currently have 4 transmitters going here (580, 630 and 800 AM, and 107.9 FM). 3 are running internet streams, and the other is just an MP3 player on random play. If nothing is on the commercial stations that interests me, I now have other choices. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
Bob Campbell wrote:
Here is my anecdote. I was seriously thinking of getting an HD radio this year. But nearly everything I listen to these days is internet radio. What I did instead was get some low power AM and FM transmitters. I currently have 4 transmitters going here (580, 630 and 800 AM, and 107.9 FM). 3 are running internet streams, and the other is just an MP3 player on random play. If nothing is on the commercial stations that interests me, I now have other choices. I have a Clarion Sirius transmitter on 88.1 MHz, (BBC World Service News 24/7). I have a Whole House Gold on 107.9 for the web radio. "Nova M Radio" Cynthia Black. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: The "successful programming" is fast moving to FM. You have driven the choice audience away with your lame programming. People have been leaving since the mobile CD player came on the scene. Numerically driven music programming is what drove people like me to AM and made Rush Limbaugh "relevant". Now that the only people that are left listening to music on FM are morons or public radio types, who never listen to AM on principle, why the **** not put the chaos on the FM as well? It's only a matter of time before somebody makes a 3G car radio that'll pick-up 10,000 stations. Like I do at home. Hell, 32 kb/s sounds better than most FM stations, the way you guys mangle it. The problem is that there is no business model for this, no ratings system that can accommodate it. Like the current issues with YouTube (look at the split with Warner and Warner-Chappell), no matter how popular a website or service may be, if there is not a viable and practical business model, it will fail or become a hobby. |
More and More AM Radio Stations Moving To The FM Radio Band
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Dec 21, 12:51�am, RHF wrote: On Dec 20, 2:41�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: �. All News KCBS-AM on 740 kHz goes to . . . FM 106.9 MHz in the SF Bay Areahttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/487324639bfd2f89 �.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Simulcasting doesn't mean that they are turning off the AMs. It means they have read the tea leaves and are preparing for the time when nearly all salable listenership will be on FM. Many have taken the big format from AM to FM, like KTAR, KIRO, WTOP, etc. But KFYI beats KTAR-FM. Not where it matters. KTAR-FM is way, way ahead of KFYI in the ages advertisers buy. And that is why they made the move... |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
"Bob Campbell" wrote in message m... "David Eduardo" wrote in message ... I agree with that.... but share-wise, talk, news talk and all news is 10% of radio listening at most and more like around 5% outside some major markets. For music, there is a nice difference and the HD2 channels are an added bonus. But if more and more FMs are becoming news/talk/sports (and they clearly are), then that share is going to increase, and these new FMs will not be driving HD. If anything, they will be thinking "yeah we tried HD on AM and it went nowhere. Therefore we are not interested in it for our FM station". All but, I believe, one (KGO) of the major (meaning "they have ratings") AMs, of which there are between 0 and 3 in most of the top 100 markets are owned by groups that have one or two AMs and up to 5 FMs locally. They will understand HD, and, if they move a talker to FM, they will see the value in the HD-2 channel, even if it is used to rent to a content provider. Since only a couple of FMs will be able to sustain talk (it's really exp0ensive), still 80% to 90% of FMs will be music and entertainment based. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
"none" ""dave\"@(none)" wrote in message
m... I have a Clarion Sirius transmitter on 88.1 MHz, (BBC World Service News 24/7). I have a Whole House Gold on 107.9 for the web radio. "Nova M Radio" Cynthia Black. Yeah, the Whole House Gold is a great little unit. I get about 1/4 mile range with mine. The trick is to not follow the instructions regarding the antenna. They say to mount it vertically. Doing it that way I couldn't get good reception even in the same room. String the antenna wire horizontally on a wall. Mine is on the 2nd floor of my house and sends out a great signal. |
IBOC : FM HD2-Radio Networks - HD-Radio's Bridge To The Future
"David Eduardo" wrote in message ... The format director goes to large churches, after previously talking with the pastor, and explains HD. Discount capons and literature are given out, and we know of thousands of radios sold this way. Really? Cheap chickens help sell radios?? Is this their version of a chicken in every pot? :) |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: The "successful programming" is fast moving to FM. You have driven the choice audience away with your lame programming. People have been leaving since the mobile CD player came on the scene. Numerically driven music programming is what drove people like me to AM and made Rush Limbaugh "relevant". Now that the only people that are left listening to music on FM are morons or public radio types, who never listen to AM on principle, why the **** not put the chaos on the FM as well? It's only a matter of time before somebody makes a 3G car radio that'll pick-up 10,000 stations. Like I do at home. Hell, 32 kb/s sounds better than most FM stations, the way you guys mangle it. The problem is that there is no business model for this, no ratings system that can accommodate it. Like the current issues with YouTube (look at the split with Warner and Warner-Chappell), no matter how popular a website or service may be, if there is not a viable and practical business model, it will fail or become a hobby. Labor of love is the term. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
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dxAce wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , Dave wrote: PocketRadio wrote: On Dec 20, 7:51?pm, Dave wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "BoobleStubble" wrote in message ... Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going anywhere. There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are. While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk to FM. Eduardo is poo-pooing AM radio, because he knows that IBOC has been a disaster, and that AM contains the successful news/talk/sports formats. Large AM stations, such as WLW, serve many states - something FMs can't claim. Yea, the AM dial is more than full of AM stations. The FM dial is full, and only so many AMs can be moved/simulcast on FM. The FMs around here are blocked by mountains. KNX and KFI "Keep Fascists Informed" have no issues with mountains. They also keep the conservatives and reactionaries in Ventura informed. This is very important as we are the opinion formers, opinion makers, and voters. I have a QSL (verie, for the fabricator in Glendale) from KFI. They used to be a semi-regular in here until a local decided to fire up on the freq. If you ever get serious about AMBCB you could get a loop antenna and null that local out. Then maybe you could get KFI again. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
wrote in message ... On Dec 21, 1:04 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Dec 21, 12:00 am, wrote: On Dec 20, 11:52 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message Sorry I wasn't there. You must be a radio insider. What is it that you do?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, he just blogs all day long, even from work. You must not work, or you would know that people have breaks, lunch hours and even time while on conference calls to do other things. Since I work about 70 hours a week, often in 18 hour days, my breaks are used to "clear the mind" by things like web surfing, reading, etc. Eduardo - If you were really as smart as you think you are you wouldn't be spending so much time in Google Groups conversing with the little people. Think about it........ I spend most of my time at work "conversing with the little people" and that is what I am paid to do. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
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"Bob Campbell" wrote: wrote in message ... Eduardo - If you were really as smart as you think you are you wouldn't be spending so much time in Google Groups conversing with the little people. Think about it........ If you were as smart as *you* think you are, you would realize that this is not "Google Groups". I would like to just kill file anyone posting from google but unfortunately in this news group a few good people post from there. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
IBOC : FM HD2-Radio Networks - HD-Radio's Bridge To The Future
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Dec 21, 3:36 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: Univision Radio already has a contemporary Christian format on HD2 channels in a large variety of markets. Eduardo - Who's listening? If there are only 1 Million radios sold, which is a very optimistic number by the way, how many people could possibly be listening? How could it be self-supporting? The format director goes to large churches, after previously talking with the pastor, and explains HD. Discount capons and literature are given out, and we know of thousands of radios sold this way. The same has happened with our Tejano network on HD2 in Texas... it's up to the station to promote the product on the air and the sale of receivers. If we move, let's say, 50,000 receivers in the LA market in the next year, and each person listens an average amount of time for comparable formats, the HD 2 channel will show in the ratings... low, but it will show. The figure on receiver sales is over a million, by the way. That would be interesting. Let as know when a HD2 channel shows up in the ratings. This lends a different dimension on the thought that HD is only promoted by believers. Ha, ha. Best wishes to Hector promoting his HD2 channel. In NY and Philadelphia, they have shown. Almost all are encoded, too.. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
"dxAce" wrote in message ... I have a QSL (verie, for the fabricator in Glendale) from KFI. They used to be a semi-regular in here until a local decided to fire up on the freq. I have three veries from KFI from Cleveland... one for 50 kw with an EKKO stamp, one for the 10 kw aux transmitter, and one for the 640 CONELRAD test done at night just for LA with powers in the 100 to 200 watt range. |
More and More AM Radio Stations Moving To The FM Radio Band
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:30:47 -0800 (PST), RHF
wrote: - Simulcasting doesn't mean that they are turning off the AMs. ....But nor does it mean the listenership is doubled, either. OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
More and More AM Radio Stations Moving To The FM Radio Band
"OM" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:30:47 -0800 (PST), RHF wrote: - Simulcasting doesn't mean that they are turning off the AMs. ...But nor does it mean the listenership is doubled, either. Generally speaking, the stations that have added an FM simulcast have seen the 25-54 salable demos increase by more than double. |
IBOC : FM HD2-Radio Networks - HD-Radio's Bridge To The Future
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... On Dec 21, 3:36 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: Univision Radio already has a contemporary Christian format on HD2 channels in a large variety of markets. Eduardo - Who's listening? If there are only 1 Million radios sold, which is a very optimistic number by the way, how many people could possibly be listening? How could it be self-supporting? The format director goes to large churches, after previously talking with the pastor, and explains HD. Discount capons and literature are given out, and we know of thousands of radios sold this way. The same has happened with our Tejano network on HD2 in Texas... it's up to the station to promote the product on the air and the sale of receivers. If we move, let's say, 50,000 receivers in the LA market in the next year, and each person listens an average amount of time for comparable formats, the HD 2 channel will show in the ratings... low, but it will show. The figure on receiver sales is over a million, by the way. That would be interesting. Let as know when a HD2 channel shows up in the ratings. This lends a different dimension on the thought that HD is only promoted by believers. Ha, ha. Best wishes to Hector promoting his HD2 channel. In NY and Philadelphia, they have shown. Almost all are encoded, too.. By NY do you mean the city or the state? What are the numbers? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
On Dec 21, 5:46 pm, "Bob Campbell" wrote:
wrote in message ... Eduardo - If you were really as smart as you think you are you wouldn't be spending so much time in Google Groups conversing with the little people. Think about it........ If you were as smart as *you* think you are, you would realize that this is not "Google Groups". That's funny. I'm not an expert on such things but it says "Google Groups" at the top of this page on my PC. Can you help me out here? |
IBOC : FM HD2-Radio Networks - HD-Radio's Bridge To The Future
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: In NY and Philadelphia, they have shown. Almost all are encoded, too.. By NY do you mean the city or the state? States are not rated, only metros. So that means NY the city. What are the numbers? 0.1 on several occasions for KYW's HD2 channel rebroadcast of it's AM programming. And in NY it was lite FM. A dozen or more internet streams of stations now show in their respective markets, too. |
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Eduardo - Serious Question For You
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... On Dec 21, 5:46 pm, "Bob Campbell" wrote: wrote in message ... Eduardo - If you were really as smart as you think you are you wouldn't be spending so much time in Google Groups conversing with the little people. Think about it........ If you were as smart as *you* think you are, you would realize that this is not "Google Groups". That's funny. I'm not an expert on such things Obviously. but it says "Google Groups" at the top of this page on my PC. Can you help me out here? No. If you are actually using "Google Groups" then you are beyond help. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
Telamon wrote:
They also keep the conservatives and reactionaries in Ventura informed. This is very important as we are the opinion formers, opinion makers, and voters. You enabled the biggest robbery in history and hopefully you will atone. http://www.americanrhetoric.com/Movi...hnetwork4.html |
More and More AM Radio Stations Moving To The FM Radio Band
David Eduardo wrote:
Generally speaking, the stations that have added an FM simulcast have seen the 25-54 salable demos increase by more than double. Generally speaking, then, you must be a "salable demo" bipedal entity in order to expect radio programs for people like yourselves? |
IBOC : FM HD2-Radio Networks - HD-Radio's Bridge To The Future
On Dec 22, 7:12 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... Eduardo - I find it amusing that you never reply to some of my HD Radio threads, especially the latest from Crawford that blasts iBiquity, and that indictes that HD radios can't be found in any of the major retailers. LOL! For starters, I don't work for iBiquity. When you engage in ad hominem insults of executives of iBiquity, that's a game I don't play... it's not my fight anyway. I believe FM HD is a very good idea. In the current economy, everything you wish for may actually come true, but not because HD is bad or stations don't want a path to digital... it's that nobody has money for capex items of any kind this year and next, so HD may "be postponed" and we saw what happened in the late 70s' when AM Stereo was "postponed" and, eventually, of no impact. AM has too many economic problems in this recession to be worried about HD or, in fact, to benefit from it. The recession is hastening the end to major AM players, while benefitting the lower cost FM stations. It appears form the muddled reports that Sirius XM will be off a half million subscribers this year, and things will get worse as families tighten their budgets. Consumer electronics is highly discretionary, and we will likely see declines in new computer sales, music player sales and tv and radio sales. But none of this has to do with the merits or lack of same of HD Radio... it's all about the economy. So, Eduardo, does that mean you think there's a possibility that HD radio might not be successful? If so I can't believe you would even entertain such a position. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
On Dec 22, 6:34*pm, flashdrive wrote:
Bob Campbell wrote: wrote in message .... On Dec 21, 5:46 pm, "Bob Campbell" wrote: wrote in message .... Eduardo - If you were really as smart as you think you are you wouldn't be spending so much time in Google Groups conversing with the little people. *Think about it........ If you were as smart as *you* think you are, you would realize that this is not "Google Groups". That's funny. I'm not an expert on such things Obviously. but it says "Google *Groups" at the top of this page on my PC. Can you help me out here? No. *If you are actually using "Google Groups" then you are beyond help. - Many ISP's have cut back on their newsgroup support. - Verizon drastically cut their Usenet list. They don't even - carry the 'alt' groups anymore. - - I have to use Google Groups now for some of the groups - that my ISP no longer supports. Pay Per Click is coming... a Penny a Kilo-Bite is All We Ask while free over-the-air radio is 'click' and 'bite' free just listen and enjoy ~ RHF |
IBOC : FM HD2-Radio Networks - HD-Radio's Bridge To The Future
wrote in message ... So, Eduardo, does that mean you think there's a possibility that HD radio might not be successful? If so I can't believe you would even entertain such a position. Yes, I think that the current economic environment will not only slow or stop HD, it will kill many radio companies and even lots of owner-operated small market stations. Whether it be the recession and the slow-down of advertising, the lack of credit, or a slowing of consumer buying of durables, HD will be among lots of things teetering on the edge due to the economy, not the technology. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
Telamon wrote:
In article , Dave wrote: Telamon wrote: They also keep the conservatives and reactionaries in Ventura informed. This is very important as we are the opinion formers, opinion makers, and voters. You enabled the biggest robbery in history and hopefully you will atone. http://www.americanrhetoric.com/Movi...hnetwork4.html I have not done such a thing but I do forgive you of using rhetoric against me since I never expect you to wake up from the dream you think is reality. You have defended the criminal administration when confronted with their crimes.. |
More and More AM Radio Stations Moving To The FM Radio Band
David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: Generally speaking, the stations that have added an FM simulcast have seen the 25-54 salable demos increase by more than double. Generally speaking, then, you must be a "salable demo" bipedal entity in order to expect radio programs for people like yourselves? Yes. There is no ad money for under 18 and over 55, save in small markets and some direct (read: "cheap") business in larger ones where buying is emotive rather than reasoned. You remind me of the Borg. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
flashdrive wrote:
Many ISP's have cut back on their newsgroup support. Verizon drastically cut their Usenet list. They don't even carry the 'alt' groups anymore. I have to use Google Groups now for some of the groups that my ISP no longer supports. Verizon sucks! |
More and More AM Radio Stations Moving To The FM Radio Band
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: Yes. There is no ad money for under 18 and over 55, save in small markets and some direct (read: "cheap") business in larger ones where buying is emotive rather than reasoned. You remind me of the Borg. Tell us again how you were abducted by them-. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
"Dave" wrote in message
... flashdrive wrote: Many ISP's have cut back on their newsgroup support. Verizon drastically cut their Usenet list. They don't even carry the 'alt' groups anymore. I have to use Google Groups now for some of the groups that my ISP no longer supports. Verizon sucks! Virtually all ISP-provided newsgroup access sucks. My ISP has newsgroups, but I don't use it. |
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