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Eduardo - Serious Question For You
Eduardo - Serious question.
Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? The unavailability radios, the low number of stations converting, the dwindling dollars available, zero consumer interest and ethical problems at the FCC - Not much to report. 2009 looks bleak also. Where do you think it's headed? IBiquity could spin the facts in previous years but it's going to be tough this year. Even if low power radios become available in 2009 (and they don't require huge external antennas to work) the window is closing fast. What would be the incentive for stations to convert or continue to pay fees to iBiquity in 2009? |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
wrote in message ... Eduardo - Serious question. Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? The unavailability radios, the low number of stations converting, the dwindling dollars available, zero consumer interest and ethical problems at the FCC - Not much to report. 2009 looks bleak also. Where do you think it's headed? IBiquity could spin the facts in previous years but it's going to be tough this year. Even if low power radios become available in 2009 (and they don't require huge external antennas to work) the window is closing fast. What would be the incentive for stations to convert or continue to pay fees to iBiquity in 2009? Most of the early adopter stations pay no fees or a very, very tiny fee. So that's not an issue. Getting more stations is not an issue, either... 90% of the US population is already covered. This is pretty much a major market issue. The only issue is getting receivers out. That is a marketing issue, and one that depends on cheap, portable chipsets. In a recession, I don't see that happening fast. But I don't see WiMax happening fast, either, so there is a wider window. As to AM, the band is dying. The major format, news / talk is moving to FM and what will be left will be drek. HD on AM at that point becomes irrelevant. |
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... As to AM, the band is dying. The major format, news / talk is moving to FM and what will be left will be drek. HD on AM at that point becomes irrelevant. Yep. In my local market, all of the big AM news/talk stations have already gone FM. I wonder how long the AM simulcast will survive? |
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On Dec 20, 11:35 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... Eduardo - Serious question. Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? The unavailability radios, the low number of stations converting, the dwindling dollars available, zero consumer interest and ethical problems at the FCC - Not much to report. 2009 looks bleak also. Where do you think it's headed? IBiquity could spin the facts in previous years but it's going to be tough this year. Even if low power radios become available in 2009 (and they don't require huge external antennas to work) the window is closing fast. What would be the incentive for stations to convert or continue to pay fees to iBiquity in 2009? Most of the early adopter stations pay no fees or a very, very tiny fee. So that's not an issue. Getting more stations is not an issue, either... 90% of the US population is already covered. This is pretty much a major market issue. The only issue is getting receivers out. That is a marketing issue, and one that depends on cheap, portable chipsets. In a recession, I don't see that happening fast. But I don't see WiMax happening fast, either, so there is a wider window. As to AM, the band is dying. The major format, news / talk is moving to FM and what will be left will be drek. HD on AM at that point becomes irrelevant. Thanks but - If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the HD radio "deployment" is on track? Do you think iBiquity investors will ever want to see a return on their investment? Are broadcasters pleased with consumer response to HD radio? Is HD radio making any money or is it still sustained by investor dollars? Doesn't it all come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait on consumers and receiver technology to catch up? There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line concerning its relationship to iBiquity. To me - these are legitimate questions and I'm not convinced you fully answered the question. |
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On Dec 20, 12:27 pm, dxAce wrote:
wrote: On Dec 20, 11:35 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message ... Eduardo - Serious question. Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? The unavailability radios, the low number of stations converting, the dwindling dollars available, zero consumer interest and ethical problems at the FCC - Not much to report. 2009 looks bleak also. Where do you think it's headed? IBiquity could spin the facts in previous years but it's going to be tough this year. Even if low power radios become available in 2009 (and they don't require huge external antennas to work) the window is closing fast. What would be the incentive for stations to convert or continue to pay fees to iBiquity in 2009? Most of the early adopter stations pay no fees or a very, very tiny fee. So that's not an issue. Getting more stations is not an issue, either... 90% of the US population is already covered. This is pretty much a major market issue. The only issue is getting receivers out. That is a marketing issue, and one that depends on cheap, portable chipsets. In a recession, I don't see that happening fast. But I don't see WiMax happening fast, either, so there is a wider window. As to AM, the band is dying. The major format, news / talk is moving to FM and what will be left will be drek. HD on AM at that point becomes irrelevant. Thanks but - If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the HD radio "deployment" is on track? Do you think iBiquity investors will ever want to see a return on their investment? Are broadcasters pleased with consumer response to HD radio? Is HD radio making any money or is it still sustained by investor dollars? Doesn't it all come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait on consumers and receiver technology to catch up? There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line concerning its relationship to iBiquity. To me - these are legitimate questions and I'm not convinced you fully answered the question. Do you think he fed you a line of BS? What do you think? |
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On Dec 20, 11:35�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... Eduardo - Serious question. Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? The unavailability radios, the low number of stations converting, the dwindling dollars available, zero consumer interest and ethical problems at the FCC - Not much to report. �2009 looks bleak also. Where do you think it's headed? IBiquity could spin the facts in previous years but it's going to be tough this year. �Even if low power radios become available in 2009 (and they don't require huge external antennas to work) the window is closing fast. What would be the incentive for stations to convert or continue to pay fees to iBiquity in 2009? Most of the early adopter stations pay no fees or a very, very tiny fee. So that's not an issue. Getting more stations is not an issue, either... 90% of the US population is already covered. This is pretty much a major market issue. The only issue is getting receivers out. That is a marketing issue, and one that depends on cheap, portable chipsets. In a recession, I don't see that happening fast. �But I don't see WiMax happening fast, either, so there is a wider window. As to AM, the band is dying. The major format, news / talk is moving to FM and what will be left will be drek. HD on AM at that point becomes irrelevant.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going anywhere. The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original point of HD, to get all stations to convert. I don't see WiMax as a huge issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the Internet. My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet is real fast. The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services nation-wide. Obama's administation is going after the FCC, and it is only a matter of time when the HD Radio scandal gets investigated. |
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- Show quoted text - Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going anywhere. The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original point of HD, to get all stations to convert. I don't see WiMax as a huge issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the Internet. My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet is real fast. The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services nation-wide. Obama's administation is going after the FCC, and it is only a matter of time when the HD Radio scandal gets investigated. KNX sounds terrible. Before, when they faded a little bit, you hardly noticed. Now, the Flubbermobile comes bubbling up every few seconds all night long. Most annoying. |
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On Dec 20, 3:27 pm, elaich wrote:
wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a- : Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd. Is WTIC an AM station? |
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On Dec 20, 3:47*pm, wrote:
On Dec 20, 3:27 pm, elaich wrote: wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a- : Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd. Is WTIC an AM station? Yes... This is probably justt the tip of the iceburg: "CC Radio’s Format Lab gone?" November 2008 "So bottom line, the Format Lab is no longer available on the web and has cut some of its formats down to the most successful/desirable. The www.iHeartMusic.com website seems to only list the main audio streams of CC stations--not multicast HD formats--but does offer a few off to the side: erockster; Pride; Verizon New Music; Smooth Jazz; Real Oldies; Slow Jams and New Country. There used to be something close to 100 formats listed on the site... Really, the next round of budget cuts--out of necessity--is likely going to be HD Radio equipment and licensing renewals. It has cost broadcasters money that so far has not generated ROI. This CC Radio news above, along with the rumors that Citadel has told Engineering not to fix any broken HD transmitters on AM, may be the tip of the iceberg." http://www.rbr.com/radio/11252.html I believe that WGY and WBBM have also turned it off - of course, all of the Citadel AM stations have it off, at least at nighttime. |
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On Dec 20, 3:47*pm, wrote:
On Dec 20, 3:27 pm, elaich wrote: wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a- : Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd. Is WTIC an AM station? Well, the FCC has been told not to consider any more actions, so the forced inclusion of HD Radio into SIRI receivers, and the proposed 10db power increase for FM-HD is on hold: "Lawmakers order FCC to stand down; put actions on hold" "Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) and Representative Henry Waxman (D-CA) today called on FCC Chairman Kevin Martin to put the agency's actions on hold unless they are urgent or required by law. Rockefeller's and Waxman's committees both have jurisdiction over the FCC... If the FCC indeed must stand down (an FCC spokesperson said they are reviewing the order right now), then the WCS-SDARS issue - and even the HD Radio mandate - would likely be put on hold until the new administration moves in." http://tinyurl.com/63b9wz "Kevin Martin's FCC Dysfunctional" "The Committee staff report details some of the most egregious abuses of power, suppression of information and manipulation of data under Chairman Martin’s leadership. It is my hope that this report will serve as a roadmap for a fair, open and efficient FCC under new leadership in the next administration.” http://tinyurl.com/59kvkq "Media: Bush's broken Boy Toy" "You’re Boy Kevin Martin and you’ll be forever known by your new acronym for the FCC – Federal Communications Crook. You wear it well. You’re Boy Kevin Martin and you turned the FCC into your own personal hackapalooza. Under-the-table deals were your specialty. You’re Boy Kevin Martin and you offered your own personal directory of preferred lobbyists to anyone wanting to buy in." http://tinyurl.com/6bfu9o I, among others, have been in touch with Obama's FCC transition team, and my guess is that HD Radio will eventually get investigated. Doubtful, that many FMs will rebuild transmitter sites for the 10db power increase, and if there is enough of them, lawsuits will fly: "Comments of Simmons Media Group, LLC" "Large-market and large-group stations with more resources will be the most likely to increase digital operating power, leaving small-market, rural, and family-owned analog broadcasters to lose revenues from interference while undertaking large attorney and engineering fees to fight digital interference at the FCC." http://tinyurl.com/6fmcx4 Struble sure has done the industry a great service, by dividing and pitting broadcasters against one another. |
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On Dec 20, 3:47�pm, wrote:
On Dec 20, 3:27 pm, elaich wrote: wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a- : Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd. Is WTIC an AM station? Here's the updated list of AM-HD stations: http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html |
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Dave wrote:
BoobleStubble wrote: - Show quoted text - Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going anywhere. The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original point of HD, to get all stations to convert. I don't see WiMax as a huge issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the Internet. My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet is real fast. The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services nation-wide. Obama's administation is going after the FCC, and it is only a matter of time when the HD Radio scandal gets investigated. KNX sounds terrible. Before, when they faded a little bit, you hardly noticed. Now, the Flubbermobile comes bubbling up every few seconds all night long. Most annoying. And yes, I live in the alleged service area. I'm maybe 40 miles North of Redondo Beach. |
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wrote in message ... If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the HD radio "deployment" is on track? No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD. Do you think iBiquity investors will ever want to see a return on their investment? It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals. Are broadcasters pleased with consumer response to HD radio? There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory. Is HD radio making any money or is it still sustained by investor dollars? It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting, like a national Hindi network on HD. Doesn't it all come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait on consumers and receiver technology to catch up? Sure. Not much cost. There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line concerning its relationship to iBiquity. The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic not facts on their side. |
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"BoobleStubble" wrote in message ... Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going anywhere. There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are. The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original pointof HD, to get all stations to convert. No, that was not. The objective was to get the viable FMs and AMs in the top 100 markets on, and with few, few exceptions, they are. I don't see WiMax as a huge issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the Internet. WiMax allows for high speed mobile internet. It will allow for the possible success of internet only stations, local and national. My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet is real fast. No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static location for good reception. The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services nation-wide. That is opposite of the truth, as the Clearwire - Sprint deal proved (although the two could not come to final terms) |
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"elaich" wrote in message ... wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a- : Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd. AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM. |
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wrote in message ... On Dec 20, 3:27 pm, elaich wrote: wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a- : Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd. Is WTIC an AM station? 1-B clear in Hartford. |
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On Dec 20, 5:33*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the HD radio "deployment" is on track? No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD. Do you think iBiquity investors will ever want to see a return on their investment? It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals. Are broadcasters pleased with consumer response to HD radio? There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory. Is HD radio making any money or is it still sustained by investor dollars? It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting, like a national Hindi network on HD. *Doesn't it all come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait on consumers and receiver technology to catch up? Sure. Not much cost. There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line concerning its relationship to iBiquity. The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic not facts on their side. "It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting, like a national Hindi network on HD. " "Radio: HD Radio's holiday horror" "We already have too many radio stations on terrestrial AM and FM... If every man, woman and child in this great country of ours had complete and total access to HD Radio – it would obliterate the radio industry. You’d have listeners spread out on to too many radio stations for any one station to show effective reach and frequency. Do the math. This blue sky world for HD Radio would put all radio out of business. No one station would have enough listeners to justify advertising." http://tinyurl.com/6omhpv "Radio: The U.K.'s Digital death notice" "Ferrara came out of hiding this week to fallaciously proclaim that HD radio-only stations – those that you can hear only on an HD Radio receiver - are writing business and making money... Reality check: HD Radio isn’t going to bill anything – period." http://tinyurl.com/33mtuo |
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On Dec 20, 5:41�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"BoobleStubble" wrote in message ... Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going anywhere. There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM.... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are. �The HD conversion has stalled - that was the original pointof HD, to get all stations to convert. No, that was not. The objective was to get the viable FMs and AMs in the top 100 markets on, and with few, few exceptions, they are. I don't see WiMax as a huge issue either - Verizon and AT&T already provide fast service to the Internet. WiMax allows for high speed mobile internet. It will allow for the possible success of internet only stations, local and national. My boys just got the new Blackberry Storms and the Internet is real fast. No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static location for good reception. The FCC is dead-set on providing Internet services nation-wide. That is opposite of the truth, as the Clearwire - Sprint deal proved (although the two could not come to final terms) "No, it's not. And it requires being, pretty much, in a static location for good reception. " Oh really, funny that they use it in their cars. Same must apply to HD radios in moving vehicles. |
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On Dec 20, 5:43�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"elaich" wrote in ... wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a- : Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd. AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM. Plenty of 50kw AMs left: http://www.northpine.com/broadcast/50kwam.html According to Mark Ramsey, it is the music-oriented FMs that are slowly dying. Actuallt, radio is slowly dying, with ad revenues way down along with lower TSL. Your whole industry, along with SW, is slowing dying. Mobile Internet is your killer app. |
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On Dec 20, 5:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the HD radio "deployment" is on track? No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD. Do you think iBiquity investors will ever want to see a return on their investment? It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals. Are broadcasters pleased with consumer response to HD radio? There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory. Is HD radio making any money or is it still sustained by investor dollars? It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting, like a national Hindi network on HD. Doesn't it all come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait on consumers and receiver technology to catch up? Sure. Not much cost. There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line concerning its relationship to iBiquity. The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic not facts on their side. What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to receive a return on their huge investment. It's hard to believe that HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1 million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD radio as "Exciting"? Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That hardly seems likely to happen. Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources are very guarded on the subject. |
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On Dec 20, 6:15 pm, dxAce wrote:
wrote: On Dec 20, 5:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message .... If I understand, you seem to think this was a successful year and the HD radio "deployment" is on track? No station operator I have talked with thinks or ever though this would be anything but a slow transition. First, there had to be stations, and all that are needed to drive the market are already on with HD. Do you think iBiquity investors will ever want to see a return on their investment? It is going to take longer with a recession, but one of the reasons broadcasters financed part of the startup was to allow iBiquity, like the biomedical firms, plenty of time to achieve the industry goals. Are broadcasters pleased with consumer response to HD radio? There is no way to be pleased until we see low power consumption chips arrive. Remember the patience of radio: it took Arbitron over 12 years to get the People Meter deployed, and the reason for patience on both sides of that equation was the need for technology to catch up to the theory. Is HD radio making any money or is it still sustained by investor dollars? It does not cost very much to keep it going once it is on the air; a bunch of stations are making money selling HD2 or HD3 channels for narrowcasting, like a national Hindi network on HD. Doesn't it all come down to paying the bills? Will HD radio have enough time to wait on consumers and receiver technology to catch up? Sure. Not much cost. There still seems to be many serious issues about the whole thing. Not to mention the fact that the FCC might have crossed the line concerning its relationship to iBiquity. The argument for that is a reach by the HD opponents, who have neither logic not facts on their side. What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to receive a return on their huge investment. It's hard to believe that HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1 million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD radio as "Exciting"? Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That hardly seems likely to happen. Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources are very guarded on the subject. And you're trying to get the truth out of 'Eduardo'? LMFAO Unlikely, but possible. |
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On Dec 20, 5:43�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"elaich" wrote in ... wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a- : Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd. AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM. "News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion" "Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM radio..." http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm |
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"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Dec 20, 5:43�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "elaich" wrote in ... wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a- : Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd. AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM. Plenty of 50kw AMs left: Not one is #1 in sales demos, and the programming is moving to FM, leaving far less appealing fare on the AM, which will eventually, like the band, die. |
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wrote in message ... What about iBiquity? Are they not deeply in dept? It's one thing for stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to receive a return on their huge investment. You have to separate iBiquity from the stations. iBiquity has relatively little debt, and is financed with burn capital like most startups. The radio stations are willing to continue HD programming, as they did for 3 decades with FM, in the hope the system will be more valuable. It's hard to believe that HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. With less than 1 million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD radio as "Exciting"? The low power chipsets are shipping, so 2009 should see both more varied programming and new radios. Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. There’s lots of discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing altogether. Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. I believe Bob Struble boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That hardly seems likely to happen. New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin. And much of the startup money came from radio itself... and technologt vc firms. Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is difficult. Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources are very guarded on the subject. Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of reasons to be happy with HD. |
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"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Dec 20, 5:43�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "elaich" wrote in ... wrote in news:18fe4501-a9ce-42ea-962a- : Not to put you on the spot but in your estimation how successful of a year was it for iBiquitys HD radio? More and more stations are turning it off. WTIC just joined the crowd. AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM. "News/Talk/Sports:Radio's Last Bastion" "Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM radio..." Somebody read the ratings backwards. Most of the loss of audience is on AM, not FM. And satellite is in such dire straits that new subscribers are fewer than the churn, and the concept has not made money yet... and likely won't. Who cares what they offer? |
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David Eduardo wrote:
"BoobleStubble" wrote in message ... Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going anywhere. There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are. While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk to FM. |
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On Dec 20, 5:43*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
AM is dead, the prime formats moving to FM. Dying perhaps, not dead, new stations still coming on the air. The mosquito lobby errr wetland lobby has been fighting the station.. WASILLA, Alaska -- A new radio station has hit the airwaves in the Mat- Su Valley, much to the chagrin of neighbors who live near the radio tower. The new, 1,000-watt station -- 1430 AM -- has been up and running since Wednesday afternoon. Spirit of Alaska broadcasting, which owns KMBQ-FM, has successfully installed a new AM radio tower near Cottonwood Creek. The broadcasting company received its FCC license Friday. It's the first-ever AM radio station based in Wasilla. But it didn't come easy. The station's owner, John Klapperich, said he almost missed the deadline to get the license because of a delay building the tower caused by his neighbors. In mid-October, Klapperich hit a road block when his neighbors built a barricade on the road to his property. Even though it's a Mat-Su Borough road, the road wasn't built where it was supposed to be and actually runs across private property. The neighbors say they oppose the tower because it sits on wetlands. "The bottom line is get your tower up, make your money, it doesn't matter what you do to the people around you," said neighbor Bonnye Matthews. And both Matthews and Barry Wise fear the health effects of the radio waves. Matthews says when she expressed that concern to Klapperich, he didn't seem to care. "His response to me was, ‘If I can't build my tower, then I'll sell it to somebody else who will build one with a stronger signal,'" she said. But Klapperich said research showed he was not harming anyone's health. So he went ahead with construction. Klapperich and six others worked nearly two weeks to install the tower. "The entire project was put in by hand, Flintstone technology, literally," Klapperich said. The crew manually piled a 750-pound piece of steel into the ground and used a pulley system to get the tower up. The neighbors say they will continue to fight Klapperich by contacting state and federal agencies. But because the FCC has approved his license, Klapperich says it's a done deal. "I'd like to think it was the best for the community, the neighbors, and Mother Earth, if I may," he said. Whether Valley residents like it or not, KMBQ-FM can now also be heard on the AM dial. "We're simulcasting KMBQ-FM until we design some new, local-originated programming," Klapperich said. |
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David Eduardo wrote:
And satellite is in such dire straits that new subscribers are fewer than the churn, and the concept has not made money yet... and likely won't. Who cares what they offer? Like that 25 MHz of digital spectrum will go dark? Sirius will go bankrupt, wipe out the investors, then the creditors, and then you, in that order. The only way terrestrial radio can stay relevant is by being local. That means a news department. That means putting on live shows and generally interacting with the folks on a street level. You are incapable of doing it because you work for a bloated corporation who wants to make money. Radio should be a public service that hopefully turns a profit, not a sour milk cash cow. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
"Dave" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "BoobleStubble" wrote in message ... Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going anywhere. There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are. While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk to FM. Bonneville also moved 50 kw KIRO to FM and 50kw WTOP, too. |
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On Dec 20, 7:23*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... What about iBiquity? *Are they not deeply in dept? *It's one thing for stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to receive a return on their huge investment. You have to separate iBiquity from the stations. iBiquity has relatively little debt, and is financed with burn capital like most startups. The radio stations are willing to continue HD programming, as they did for 3 decades with FM, in the hope the system will be more valuable. It's hard to believe that HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. *With less than 1 million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD radio as "Exciting"? The low power chipsets are shipping, so 2009 should see both more varied programming and new radios. Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. *There’s lots of discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing altogether. *Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. *I believe Bob Struble boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That hardly seems likely to happen. New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin. And much of the startup money came from radio itself... and technologt vc firms. Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is difficult. *Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources are very guarded on the subject. Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of reasons to be happy with HD. "New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin." "NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008 "There was continued top-down advocacy of HD Radio from David Rehr, but little support from attendees, and even small signs of revolt on the subject. It was good to see the clear disconnect on this issue, as it is forcing radio’s leaders to look more diligently toward viable solutions that fit the demands of today’s consumer, rather than depending on a delegated entity to secure radio’s longevity." http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk Oh, really? |
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On Dec 20, 7:23*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... What about iBiquity? *Are they not deeply in dept? *It's one thing for stations to see a return (if that's really happening as a "national Hindi network" has very limited appeal) it's another for investors to receive a return on their huge investment. You have to separate iBiquity from the stations. iBiquity has relatively little debt, and is financed with burn capital like most startups. The radio stations are willing to continue HD programming, as they did for 3 decades with FM, in the hope the system will be more valuable. It's hard to believe that HD radio is holding on by anything but a thread. *With less than 1 million radios sold after 6 or 7 years, and nothing new on the horizon, how could anyone be persuaded by iBiquitys description of HD radio as "Exciting"? The low power chipsets are shipping, so 2009 should see both more varied programming and new radios. Realistically, to compare the iBiquity HD radio start-up to a biomedical firm start-up doesn't make sense either. *There’s lots of discretionary money available for biomedical start-ups (I know because I work for a pharmaceutical company) but broadcasting is another thing altogether. *Based on what I now about iBiquity they were convinced that HD radio would be ubiquitous by now. *I believe Bob Struble boldly said that by 2009 / 2010 HD radio would be the norm. That hardly seems likely to happen. New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin. And much of the startup money came from radio itself... and technologt vc firms. Trust me, I’m not trying to corner you but finding the truth is difficult. *Ibiquity is not a reliable source and most other sources are very guarded on the subject. Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of reasons to be happy with HD. Having seen a number of profitable HD channels, I think that as the offerings mature, radios gradually come out, and channels are split to do sub-let niche programming like the Hindi thing, there will be lots of reasons to be happy with HD. "Addressing The Long Tail: HD2s and HD3s for Fun and Profit" "Analog radio cannot effectively serve The Long Tail. Broadcasters have had huge success addressing the 80% with widely popular mass market content pushed through our loud speakers. But our economic structure won’t let us take advantage of the few consumers who like reggae or death metal or comedy or mommy talk. You simply cannot program niche formats on analog stations and make the numbers work – listenership and revenue potential are too low to cover capital and operating costs... So go ahead, grab that Long Tail. It will help your station, and help the industry." http://tinyurl.com/66jb9s "Harvard Business Review: Should You Invest in the Long Tail?" "Chris Anderson, editor of Wired magazine, argues that the sudden availability of niche offerings more closely tailored to their tastes will lure consumers away from homogenized hits. The 'tail' of the sales distribution curve, he says, will become longer, fatter, and more profitable. Elberse, a professor at Harvard Business School, set out to investigate whether Anderson's long-tail theory is actually playing out in today's markets. She focused on the music and home- video industries -- two markets that Anderson and others frequently hold up as examples of the long tail in action -- reviewing sales data from Nielsen SoundScan, Nielsen VideoScan, the online music service Rhapsody, and the Australian DVD-by-mail service Quickflix. What she found may surprise you: Blockbusters are capturing even more of the market than they used to, and consumers in the tail don't really like niche products much." http://www.citeulike.org/user/mmkurth/article/2984768 Oh, really? |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
"Dave" wrote in message ... You are incapable of doing it because you work for a bloated corporation who wants to make money. Radio should be a public service that hopefully turns a profit, not a sour milk cash cow. As was proven when the FCC mandated content percentages and such, listeners stayed away from any time period where such programming ran. When radio is run as a public service, there is little listening. The story of the BBC, Radio Luxembourg and the pirates shows that the BBC, a venerable public service, did not satisfy the needs of most Brits; the Bebe had to add new services and Britain had to allow commercial radio because even the politicians realized that the public was very unhappy. It's sort of KPFK vs. KIIS. The interest in what you crave is miniscule. Most of the world has national radio, not a lot of local content... because it's been seen that the FCC localism policy that goes back to the 30's was based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what listeners wanted. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
On Dec 20, 7:51�pm, Dave wrote:
David Eduardo wrote: "BoobleStubble" wrote in message .... Eduardo's hate for AM radio is obvious - many of the larger 50kw AM stations are ranked #1, or are in the top-5, and aren't going anywhere. There are nearly no big AMs (power is not the issue... it's coverage) that are in the top 5 in the sales demogaphics of 18 to 54. And, like 1A clear channel KSL in Salt Lake city, they are moving as fast as they can to FM... other 50 kw AMs that have done this are KIRO in Seattle and WWL in New Orleans and WIBC in Indianapolis... some simulcast, like KSL and WWL, others just abandon the format on AM as they go where the salable listeners are. While not a 1A, KSL's Phoenix sister KTAR has also moved their News/Talk to FM. Eduardo is poo-pooing AM radio, because he knows that IBOC has been a disaster, and that AM contains the successful news/talk/sports formats. Large AM stations, such as WLW, serve many states - something FMs can't claim. Yea, the AM dial is more than full of AM stations. The FM dial is full, and only so many AMs can be moved/simulcast on FM. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Dec 20, 7:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin." "NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008 .." http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk Oh, really? You really expect an opinion in favor of HD by a direct competitor of terrestrial radio? The link you have posted goes to a site run by a proponent of cellular programming delivery. They hate radio. |
Eduardo - Serious Question For You
On Dec 20, 9:37*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Dec 20, 7:23 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "New FMs are still going on with HD, showing the interest. There was a lot of HD enthusiasm at the NAB in Austin." "NAB Radio Show Report" September 22nd, 2008 ." http://tinyurl.com/4ynxyk Oh, really? You really expect an opinion in favor of HD by a direct competitor of terrestrial radio? The link you have posted goes to a site run by a proponent of cellular programming delivery. They hate radio. "Black Friday for HD Radio" "Nor was I surprised when Kurt veered left to discuss - and dismiss - HD Radio. What fascinated me was the reaction. Any room full of broadcasters is full of HD radio doubters, nowadays. But the vibe in this room was remarkable for the eye-rolling and audible snickering that greeted virtually any mention of HD." http://www.hear2.com/2008/03/this-weeks-desp.html "Will Small Markets Convert to HD Radio? Survey Suggests Not Soon" "Of the 100, he received 50 surveys back. Of those, only one station had converted to HD-R. Eighty-six percent of the remaining respondents indicated it would be highly unlikely or somewhat unlikely they would convert their stations over the next 12 months, according to his report. Six percent indicated it would be neither likely nor unlikely, and only 6% indicated it would be likely, he told me. Most respondents cited cost as the main factor prohibiting conversion; others felt the technology had been overhyped and that FM analog is good enough in the listeners’ minds, McIntyre says." http://www.rwonline.com/leslie_report/ |
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