"Dave" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

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KCRW is primarily a music station w/ NPR News and self-produced public
affairs. They run Morning Edition, a local Public Affairs show at Noon.
News features until 4. ATC until 7. More PA until 8. The rest is music.

From the program schedule, they are only music 9AM to noon and 8 to
midnight, with various NPR and other news / talk / business shows the rest
of the time. That is hardly a music station.

They serve the local community quite well, and the fact that you never
listen is painfully obvious.

I don't listen because a) I have stations I work with to listen to, b) I
don't like the liberal / holier than thou attitude of Morning Edition, and
c) I listen to news that actually includes things of interest to me, in my
principal language (Morning Edition can go weeks without any Latin American
news, for example).

They are at various dial positions, depending on where you are. The main
signal from the K-JOY tower is on 89.9 MHz.

They are actually on the KYSR tower on Mulholland Drive, with a relatively
low power. It has not been "The K-Joi" site for several decades.

"Dave" wrote in message
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Telamon wrote:
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message
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Salty,

Shoo troll, find another bridge - we're celebrating the slow, but
sure, death of MW IBOC!

What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and
listening levels are declining faster than ever.

I haven't noticed that happening around here.

It's a lack of imagination. Every Clear Channel AM News Talker sounds
like any other,

No, they don't. Take Portland... do you honestly think KEX sounds like KPOJ,
do you?

Or KFI like KTLK?

Or KOA like WLW?

sounds like any other Citadel AM News Talker,

So how does KABC sound like KGO?

sounds
like any other Emmis AM News Talker,

Emmis has only one AM news/talk station, so "any" does not apply.

sounds like every CBS News Talker
(we have 2 here KNX and KFWB fon't ask me why).

KNX and KFWB are not news talk stations, they are all-news stations.

KFI, KRLA, KABC, KTLK are the principal news / talk stations in LA.

There is no variety to
speak of. The only new thing on the AM is Progressive Talk and that gets
a decent audience in towns where they have a competitive signal and don't
share the time with Hockey or Women's Basketball.

That means Portland, OR and, to some extent, Seattle. In places like Miami
and LA, where the format has been on 50 kw good signal stations, it has done
nothing.

"Dave" wrote in message
m...
AM used to sound good, before digital tuners and 4 kHz ceramic filters,
and finally IBOC. You used to be able to transmit music and make it sound
good. Now the corporations are clueless, as usual.


You also have to remember that the music that *was* broadcast on AM was
recorded and mixed on equipment that perfectly matched the sound of AM.
Not much bass, virtually no treble but lots of midrange. Listen to records
from the 20s thru the mid 50s and you will know what I mean. Then FM (and
better recording equipment/tape) came along and people started caring about
Hi Fidelity.

Today's recorded music sounds terrible on AM because it is recorded/mixed
with digital, full fidelity playback in mind, and *maybe* FM. AM is not
even considered these days.

Believe me, I have tried. I have several different AM transmitters here,
and *many* good, wideband AM tube radios. OTR and music sounds fabulous,
but modern recordings sound like crap. AM simply does not have the
bandwidth or dynamic range that modern recordings demand.

"Bob Campbell" wrote in message
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Believe me, I have tried. I have several different AM transmitters here,
and *many* good, wideband AM tube radios. OTR and music sounds fabulous,
but modern recordings sound like crap. AM simply does not have the
bandwidth or dynamic range that modern recordings demand.

Most modern recordings, at least of popular (i.e. rock, rap, hiphop) don't
have any dynamic range. They're punched up to be uniformly loud (as are most
radio stations).

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message
...
Salty,

Shoo troll, find another bridge - we're celebrating the slow, but
sure, death of MW IBOC!

What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and
listening
levels are declining faster than ever.

I haven't noticed that happening around here.

AM listening in the Ventura market is now down to 5.4% of listening, off 20%
in the last two years alone. There is nothing there to even think about
moving to FM, as none of them are successful.

So what's going to happen? Are they going to start disappearing then?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message
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Salty,

Shoo troll, find another bridge - we're celebrating the slow, but
sure, death of MW IBOC!

What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and
listening
levels are declining faster than ever.

I haven't noticed that happening around here.

AM listening in the Ventura market is now down to 5.4% of listening, off
20%
in the last two years alone. There is nothing there to even think about
moving to FM, as none of them are successful.

So what's going to happen? Are they going to start disappearing then?


They will become more niche, paid religion, paid niche ethnic,
buy-an-hour-and-be-on-the-radio, etc. Eventually, many will be shut off,
particularly ones with valuable land or expensive to maintain
directionals... like 1520.

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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Most modern recordings, at least of popular (i.e. rock, rap, hiphop) don't
have any dynamic range. They're punched up to be uniformly loud (as are
most radio stations).

We clearly listen to different music.

David Eduardo wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
m...
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message
...

Salty,

Shoo troll, find another bridge - we're celebrating the slow, but
sure, death of MW IBOC!

What is dying is AM itself. The major format is moving to FM, and
listening levels are declining faster than ever.

I haven't noticed that happening around here.

It's a lack of imagination. Every Clear Channel AM News Talker sounds
like any other,

No, they don't. Take Portland... do you honestly think KEX sounds like
KPOJ, do you?

Or KFI like KTLK?

Or KOA like WLW?

sounds like any other Citadel AM News Talker,

So how does KABC sound like KGO?

sounds
like any other Emmis AM News Talker,

Emmis has only one AM news/talk station, so "any" does not apply.

sounds like every CBS News Talker
(we have 2 here KNX and KFWB fon't ask me why).

KNX and KFWB are not news talk stations, they are all-news stations.

KFI, KRLA, KABC, KTLK are the principal news / talk stations in LA.

There is no variety to
speak of. The only new thing on the AM is Progressive Talk and that
gets a decent audience in towns where they have a competitive signal
and don't share the time with Hockey or Women's Basketball.

That means Portland, OR and, to some extent, Seattle. In places like
Miami and LA, where the format has been on 50 kw good signal stations,
it has done nothing.

I don't know about Miami, but in Los Angeles they don't run the format
full-time. They run infomercials and live sports.

Bob Campbell wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
m...
AM used to sound good, before digital tuners and 4 kHz ceramic
filters, and finally IBOC. You used to be able to transmit music and
make it sound good. Now the corporations are clueless, as usual.


You also have to remember that the music that *was* broadcast on AM was
recorded and mixed on equipment that perfectly matched the sound of AM.
Not much bass, virtually no treble but lots of midrange. Listen to
records from the 20s thru the mid 50s and you will know what I mean.
Then FM (and better recording equipment/tape) came along and people
started caring about Hi Fidelity.

I totally disagree. AM radio sounded magnificent at one time. They
started crowding stations together about 30 years ago and cut down on
the bandwidth so they could fit more stations on the dial. Now they're
bitching because nobody can make any money. ****ing ridiculous.

On Dec 29, 12:16 pm, "Bob Campbell" wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message

m...

AM used to sound good, before digital tuners and 4 kHz ceramic filters,
and finally IBOC. You used to be able to transmit music and make it sound
good. Now the corporations are clueless, as usual.

You also have to remember that the music that *was* broadcast on AM was
recorded and mixed on equipment that perfectly matched the sound of AM.
Not much bass, virtually no treble but lots of midrange. Listen to records
from the 20s thru the mid 50s and you will know what I mean. Then FM (and
better recording equipment/tape) came along and people started caring about
Hi Fidelity.

Today's recorded music sounds terrible on AM because it is recorded/mixed
with digital, full fidelity playback in mind, and *maybe* FM. AM is not
even considered these days.

Believe me, I have tried. I have several different AM transmitters here,
and *many* good, wideband AM tube radios. OTR and music sounds fabulous,
but modern recordings sound like crap. AM simply does not have the
bandwidth or dynamic range that modern recordings demand.

That's absolutely crap