On Feb 8, 8:59*pm, wrote:
On Feb 8, 7:35*pm, traveler wrote:





On Feb 8, 3:42*pm, wrote:

Democratic plans to revive government censorship of the radio and TV
airways will strike hardest at religious broadcasters who stand in the
way of a liberal social revolution.

Such nonsense! *I live in an area where we get nothing BUT rightwing
talk radio every day, ALL DAY LONG. *I've complained to the single
talk radio station's owner several times and he always hands me a load
of bull about how these shows are the only ones he can get. *We hear
G. Gordon Liddy, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Lars Larson. *Each
of these guys are always on about the slightest progressive notion
being tantamount to high treason. *As a result, the people in my area
are almost exclusively highschool educated retired machinists and ex-
military without a clue. *They think it's perfectly alright to poison
the hell out of their homes and yards because they don't understand
the slightest thing about the environment and don't want to know.
They think only stupid people go to college or would want to go to
college. *This is what these morons have done to this country,
propagandizing an already mentally challenged populace into believing
that being dumb and ignorant is a quality rather than a major drawback
to proper citizenship. * And you actually think making a first attempt
at correcting this appalling situation is a problem? *Nobody cares
about the religious stations. *What we care about is social and
political discussion where only the far rightwing perspective is
presented as absolute truth. *Enough! *These stations are supposed to
be run in the public interest, not in the Republican interest. *They
must obtain licenses to broadcast. *It is NOT strictly free enterprise
at stake here but the public's right to know what is going on in the
world both inside and outside the local community.

JA! - HEIL HITLER!

Your hero?

On Feb 8, 9:32*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,





*traveler wrote:
On Feb 8, 3:42*pm, wrote:
Democratic plans to revive government censorship of the radio and TV
airways will strike hardest at religious broadcasters who stand in the
way of a liberal social revolution.

Such nonsense! *I live in an area where we get nothing BUT rightwing
talk radio every day, ALL DAY LONG. *I've complained to the single
talk radio station's owner several times and he always hands me a load
of bull about how these shows are the only ones he can get. *We hear
G. Gordon Liddy, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Lars Larson. *Each
of these guys are always on about the slightest progressive notion
being tantamount to high treason. *As a result, the people in my area
are almost exclusively highschool educated retired machinists and ex-
military without a clue. *They think it's perfectly alright to poison
the hell out of their homes and yards because they don't understand
the slightest thing about the environment and don't want to know.
They think only stupid people go to college or would want to go to
college. *This is what these morons have done to this country,
propagandizing an already mentally challenged populace into believing
that being dumb and ignorant is a quality rather than a major drawback
to proper citizenship. * And you actually think making a first attempt
at correcting this appalling situation is a problem? *Nobody cares
about the religious stations. *What we care about is social and
political discussion where only the far rightwing perspective is
presented as absolute truth. *Enough! *These stations are supposed to
be run in the public interest, not in the Republican interest. *They
must obtain licenses to broadcast. *It is NOT strictly free enterprise
at stake here but the public's right to know what is going on in the
world both inside and outside the local community.

Excellent propaganda. I think there is a future position on the FCC
commission for you.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Thanks, but I'm not holding my breath. And it's not propaganda. It's
the truth. Living in liberal Southern California, you don't
understand what goes down in isolated parts of Arizona.

On Feb 9, 4:07*pm, Berkeley Bolshevik
wrote:
Comrade *traveler * wrote:





On Feb 8, 3:42*pm, wrote:
Democratic plans to revive government censorship of the radio and TV
airways will strike hardest at religious broadcasters who stand in the
way of a liberal social revolution.

Such nonsense! *I live in an area where we get nothing BUT rightwing
talk radio every day, ALL DAY LONG. *I've complained to the single
talk radio station's owner several times and he always hands me a load
of bull about how these shows are the only ones he can get. *We hear
G. Gordon Liddy, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Lars Larson. *Each
of these guys are always on about the slightest progressive notion
being tantamount to high treason. *As a result, the people in my area
are almost exclusively highschool educated retired machinists and ex-
military without a clue. *They think it's perfectly alright to poison
the hell out of their homes and yards because they don't understand
the slightest thing about the environment and don't want to know.
They think only stupid people go to college or would want to go to
college. *This is what these morons have done to this country,
propagandizing an already mentally challenged populace into believing
that being dumb and ignorant is a quality rather than a major drawback
to proper citizenship. * And you actually think making a first attempt
at correcting this appalling situation is a problem? *Nobody cares
about the religious stations. *What we care about is social and
political discussion where only the far rightwing perspective is
presented as absolute truth. *Enough! *These stations are supposed to
be run in the public interest, not in the Republican interest. *They
must obtain licenses to broadcast. *It is NOT strictly free enterprise
at stake here but the public's right to know what is going on in the
world both inside and outside the local community.

Want to know what is going on in the world both inside and outside the
local community? Don't be a cheapskate and buy a newspaper.

Thanks but I'm well read and don't need your advice. The folks who
live around me certainly do, however, and they are not well-served by
the media, the local paper, or dip****s who sound like you.


The radio
hosts you mentioned aren't news reporters, they're commentators.

You don't say. Golly gee, I didn't know that.


So
you won't get the latest breaking news from them. Want unbiased news?
Try (tic) *NPR or PBS.

You think NPR is "unbiased?" Ha ha ha.

If have this need for radio, get satellite
radio.

I don't have a "need for radio," dip, but when I turn it on, I'd like
to have some choice of what to hear rather than all the same bull****
all day and all night long.



Your choices are endless. You're online, discover all the web
sites available. You are only limited by yourself.

Jesus, talk about a condescending asshole who thoroughly misses the
point. Thanks for the advice, Jr. I'll be certain to "explore the
web" just cuz you said so. Try reading a few books, pard. That's
what I do.




You have so many choices where to get your news, your bitching and
moaning is rather comical.

Far less comical than your pathetically condescending load of
bull****, but I'm sure you mean well.

Brenda Ann wrote:
wrote in message
...
Ownership limits need to come way down. No company should be allowed to
own more than 24 stations. Bill Clinton really ****ed-up when he
deregged broadcasting.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

24! So many? Why not just 1,2, or 3? Why let anyone "own" a
broadcast station? Broadcast stations should all be government owned
and operated.
Heck, why not just farm out the entire "Progressive" brainwashing
propaganda lieing machine to Beijing, Tehran, Moscow and London? The
highest bidder! They'll be happy to run it entirely under their own
budget and we get "Progressive" G-A-R-B-A-G-E 24 x 7 for free.

Crazy eccentric millionaires should each own a handful of stations, like
it used to be.

Being a small L libertarian, I like to hear from all points of view. I
believe the Liberal side of things deserves as much exposure as the
Conservative, so I can have the info needed to intelligently decide
where I stand. The Right Wing Noise Machine philosophy of Citadel and
Clear Channel is to aggresively promote the politics that best pad their
coffers and to give minimal exposure to populist and/or progressive
ideas. Democracy suffers.

traveler wrote:


You think NPR is "unbiased?" Ha ha ha.


"...facts have a Liberal bias."

In article ,
dave wrote:

traveler wrote:


You think NPR is "unbiased?" Ha ha ha.


"...facts have a Liberal bias."

It's because of the principle of entropy where unless intelligence and
energy is applied to organizing matter it descends into the chaos of the
liberal mindset.

I'm impressed that David has picked up on that principle.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

2/9/2009 The obominator spoke thusly to the amusement of all "Only government can save the economy"

http://ezinearticles.com/?Pious-Conv...end&id=1600315

Pastors and Preachers who use the radio to reach the masses are a special
breed of human being. Piously convicted and yet very often, marginally
informed, they use the airwaves to invade the mind and draw others unto
mostly themselves. Radio preaching, or shall we just say, preaching is one
of the only places where a normal human being can loose his mind, act out
and both speak and reason in ways that would get him or her kicked out of
every other work environment in the world.

The radio preacher is on his own. He can say and do and express himself in
just about any way he chooses and we are all conditioned to tolerate the
sincere, no doubt we can hope, foolishness that assaults our senses and at
times, tickles our funny bones.

Recently a radio preacher informed his audience the reason Bathsheba, who
seduced horney King David, was named thus was because she was taking a
"Bath." Argh, Argh and Half and Argh! I wrote and asked if she had been
taking a shower, would we then call her "ShowerSheba." No response.

Also recently, I listened to a very astute, yep probably one of the most
scientifically ignorant men on the radio, make a sincere effort to convince
the audience that the story of Jonah surviving three days and three nights
in the great fish, while he got to consider whether he wanted to obey God
and become fish vomit, or disobey and become fish poop, was literally true.
It's not literally true. My sense of being swallowed by a large ocean going
predator would end in being suffocated or drown relatively soon after and
digested beyond repair rather soon after that. Pinocchio sitting on a three
legged stool at a small fire in the belly of the whale waiting for a
solution to the dilemma just seems contrived, yet also seems to have
captured the imaginations of preachers.

He cited the amazing story of a sailor named James Bartley who was swallowed
by a sperm whale off the Falkland Islands. About thirty-six hours later his
fellow sailors found him, unconscious but alive, inside the belly of the
animal. The story is bogus. It never happened and ranks as one of America's
earliest urban legends. However, in the world of radio preaching, emotional
convictions, and men who refuse to do their homework first, this pastor once
again used it to convince others of a literalism in the Bible that was never
meant to be taken as such. Ministers in general, like the writers of the New
Testament, are adept at making a scripture mean what it never meant. What
would never work in a college term paper, works just fine in many religious
writings. They called it Midrash. A critical thinker would call it dishonest
and misleading.

At any rate, I sent the information on the urban legend nature of his story
to the pastor because I just knew he'd want to know. Wrong.... After a brief
comment about him noticing an Obama ad on the article which right there
seemed to give him an out, and that the material was obviously from the
"secular web", he simply said he'd check it out but didn't like my attitude.
I'm pretty sure he'll find the confirmation for his view on the "religious
web," but I had done my part.

Radio preachers LOVE the Book of Revelation! Well they all do actually. Now
there is a money maker for them if ever there was one. Full of Vials,
Plagues, Trumpets and Trombones, it can easily be updated to fit the times
that anyone lives in. It is easy to filter out the words "to show unto my
servants (2000 years ago) the things which must SHORTLY come to pass," along
with an ending that assures the reader, "behold I come QUICKLY."

Preachers, (or was it the writers of scripture?) learned long ago that fear,
guilt and shame sell and certainly motivate and control. You can grow a
church well in the manure of hard times and fear mongering. Our day and age
is the perfect time to start your own church or grow a complacent one.
However, pious conviction, as I said, coupled with marginal information and
spread with raw emotion and threats of eternal judgement is also a great way
to breed down the road disillusionment and anger.

We can over look the fact that the Book of Revelation is an already failed
early Jewish Christian rant against the great Beast of the Roman occupiers
of Jerusalem in the early first century. Perhaps between January and
September of 70 AD to be exact. We can ignore that the False prophet against
whom these rabid Jewish Christians were raging against may well have been
the New Testament's star performer, and ardent foe of Jewish Christians, the
Apostle Paul.

It is Paul that wretched the Jewish Jesus out of all their hands and twisted
him into a Cosmic, somewhat Pagan Christ. It was Paul, most likely that
Jesus was praising the Ephesian Church in the Revelation, for taking to
task, as an Apostle of Jesus and found him wanting. After all, Paul lamented
that "all in Asia had forsaken him," and Ephesus, a Church Paul said he was
an Apostle to, is in Asia. As with most Apostles, Priests and Kings, Paul
was able to blame them for the problem and not himself. It never seems to
dawn on some that when "everyone" forsakes you, it might not be the
"everyone else" that has the problem.

The Religion of the Occident by Larson sums up the failed nature of the Book
of Revelation about as well as anyone could.

"Revelation was the swan song of Militant Jewish Christianity. When
Jerusalem was destroyed, when Rome waxed greater and more powerful, when the
False Prophet (The Apostle Paul to Jewish Christians and the one found
wanting in the letter to Ephesian Church in Revelation) gained more and more
followers, when the book itself was proved totally false within two years ,
when it became evident that the Jewish messiah-Christ would not come, the
Hebrew Christians lost their virility and their cult faded under the
combined assault of orthodox Judaism and of Gentile Christianity." (Religion
of the Occident. Larson. Page 479.)

This information about the nature, origin and ultimate failure of the Book
of Revelation to come to pass as it was meant to, due to the unexpected and
utter destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in the Fall of 70 AD is too
hot to handle for those so inclined to read the book, to this day as a
newspaper. One will not hear that the Book of Revelation is a failed first
century Jewish Christian rant against the Apostle Paul and his Gentile and
pagan views of Jesus, the Cosmic Christ, , who he never personally met in
his life, ever quoted in his writings or spoke of any real life events of
any earthly Jesus that died just a few years earlier in his hometown.

With Paul being such an ardent persecutor, as Saul, of "that way," we can
hardly imagine this Pharisee of the Pharisees would pass up a shot at
confronting the real Jesus in his own city. However, the Gospels never heard
of any Saul the Pharisee evidently.

The Jesus of Revelation, not to be confused with the Jesus of the Gospels,
summed it up rather nicely in the Letter to the Ephesian Church found in
Revelation.

Paul to the Ephesians: "I am an apostle of Jesus"

The Ephesians to Paul: "No you're not."

Jesus to the Ephesians Church in Revelation: "Well done!"

Today, whether through religion screamed, yelled, panted, wheezed or shouted
over the airwaves, or in the fundamentalist pulpits every week across the
planet, ignorance is promoted. Pious conviction with marginal information.
I'm speaking of those who feel they have the right to tell everyone how it
all is and yet have little background in the very book they claim to know so
well.

Many are mere Bible readers and able to tell the stories and proclaim their
truths very well. The how and why of Bible story origins escapes them or
does not fit into their own paradigm of what it is all about, however. This
ignorance hurts others in the long run. Actually it can hurt in the short
term as well!

Take Judaism, Islam and Christianity out of the news and world peace would
break out tomorrow. From the most silly and entertaining antics of ministers
and lone spiritual masters, to the most hideous and bizarre beliefs, demands
and practices of those who follow, religion is a long way from making human
beings better for it all. Christian soldiers just have to stop that
"marching as to war" stuff.

Religion is what others pour into your head and usually requires one to be
at certain places at certain times, hold a group belief, marginalize, attack
or kill those that don't hold that belief and, of course, give ten percent
of your income to the proper Deity. Spirituality however, is an inside job.
It requires no one yelling at your from either your radio or pulpit to bring
you inner contentment and peace. It has no demand that you show up somewhere
once or twice a week to show you are on track with the group, and it
certainly does not ask you for your money so the guy who gave you the
information can buy a big house, new car or Rolex, so he can do "the work of
God."

When assaulted by the fear, guilt and shame of radio preaching or even that
from the pulpit, always ask if this pious conviction, for which we can't
fault anyone, mixed with marginal information is true. Is it correct? Am I
being given proper information on which I am supposed to make lasting
decisions in my life? We have never lived in a time where checking out that
which is meant to motivate us to adopt the views of others can be so readily
checked out and other explanations considered. Frankly, the Internet is the
bane of most fundamentalist preachers and any 15 year old in the
congregation with a computer can give the Pastor hell over the views he
affirms are literally true and just how the Deity sees it all too. A local
fundamentalist college just down the stree here in Greenville, SC only
allows select Internet access on the college system. Looking outside the
Internet box will get you in big trouble. Sad isn't it?

Remember, if someone endeavors to convince you about the truth of Jonah by
being piously convicted that the story of Jonah just has to be literally
true, yet does it by promoting a false tale using marginal information, you
might have to ask what else in this story each week may be suspect.

Pious conviction with marginal information is not our friend.

On Feb 8, 9:18*pm, RHF wrote:
On Feb 8, 5:35*pm, traveler wrote:





On Feb 8, 3:42*pm, wrote:

Democratic plans to revive government censorship of the radio and TV
airways will strike hardest at religious broadcasters who stand in the
way of a liberal social revolution.

Such nonsense! *I live in an area where we get nothing BUT rightwing
talk radio every day, ALL DAY LONG. *I've complained to the single
talk radio station's owner several times and he always hands me a load
of bull about how these shows are the only ones he can get. *We hear
G. Gordon Liddy, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Lars Larson. *Each
of these guys are always on about the slightest progressive notion
being tantamount to high treason. *As a result, the people in my area
are almost exclusively highschool educated retired machinists and ex-
military without a clue. *They think it's perfectly alright to poison
the hell out of their homes and yards because they don't understand
the slightest thing about the environment and don't want to know.
They think only stupid people go to college or would want to go to
college. *This is what these morons have done to this country,
propagandizing an already mentally challenged populace into believing
that being dumb and ignorant is a quality rather than a major drawback
to proper citizenship. * And you actually think making a first attempt
at correcting this appalling situation is a problem? *Nobody cares
about the religious stations. *What we care about is social and
political discussion where only the far rightwing perspective is
presented as absolute truth. *Enough! *These stations are supposed to
be run in the public interest, not in the Republican interest. *They
must obtain licenses to broadcast. *It is NOT strictly free enterprise
at stake here but

- the public's right to know what is going on in the
- world both inside and outside the local community.

What About The 'Choice' Of The Public Not To Know :


Why doesn't this "God" you speak of do something about it? Or is he
no longer returning your calls because he never existed in the first
place.

On Feb 10, 2:09*am, traveler wrote:
*These stations are supposed to

be run in the public interest, not in the Republican interest. *They
must obtain licenses to broadcast. *It is NOT strictly free enterprise
at stake here but

- the public's right to know what is going on in the
- world both inside and outside the local community.

What About The 'Choice' Of The Public Not To Know :

- Simple. *Those who want to believe patent
- nonsense can listen to their favorite dip****
- programming.

Rush, Sean, Bill, etc are only on 500 Radio Stations

-*Those who wish to be informed will have the
- opportunity to listen to programming designed
- for people with good minds and a good education.

2400 NPR Radio Stations already exist.

-*Both types of programming will be available,

Both Types of Programming Are Already Available,

With Conservative Programming on 500 AM Talk
Radio Stations -and- Liberal Programming on
2400 FM Public Radio Stations.

- not just one, as is the case in many areas today.

Yeah 2400 to 500 is better than Four-to-One [4-to-1]
Which is really Weighted in Favor of the Liberals
and supported by my Tax Money.

i know what 'i' know and 'i' need know no more ~ RHF
- - - For I Have Faith and I Believe [.]

- If God had intended for you to be an
- ignorant moron, he wouldn't have given
- you a brain, let alone the free will to use it.

- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*.
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa

On Feb 10, 7:28*pm, "M Peraaho" wrote:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Pious-Conv...l-Information-...

Pastors and Preachers who use the radio to reach the masses are a special
breed of human being. Piously convicted and yet very often, marginally
informed, they use the airwaves to invade the mind and draw others unto
mostly themselves. Radio preaching, or shall we just say, preaching is one
of the only places where a normal human being can loose his mind, act out
and both speak and reason in ways that would get him or her kicked out of
every other work environment in the world.

The radio preacher is on his own. He can say and do and express himself in
just about any way he chooses and we are all conditioned to tolerate the
sincere, no doubt we can hope, foolishness that assaults our senses and at
times, tickles our funny bones.

Recently a radio preacher informed his audience the reason Bathsheba, who
seduced horney King David, was named thus was because she was taking a
"Bath." Argh, Argh and Half and Argh! I wrote and asked if she had been
taking a shower, would we then call her "ShowerSheba." No response.


-- I don't think showers had been invented yet. --


Also recently, I listened to a very astute, yep probably one of the most
scientifically ignorant men on the radio, make a sincere effort to convince
the audience that the story of Jonah surviving three days and three nights
in the great fish, while he got to consider whether he wanted to obey God
and become fish vomit, or disobey and become fish poop, was literally true.
It's not literally true. My sense of being swallowed by a large ocean going
predator would end in being suffocated or drown relatively soon after and
digested beyond repair rather soon after that. Pinocchio sitting on a three
legged stool at a small fire in the belly of the whale waiting for a
solution to the dilemma just seems contrived, yet also seems to have
captured the imaginations of preachers.


-- That's probably the most obvious example of how silly it is to take
the Bible literally. I also highly doubt that Moses was able to part
the Red Sea as Hollywood has shown it, but hey, I once got high and
watched the waves crash on the shore precisely to the rhythm of the
classical music to which I was listening. I pointed it out to my old
lady and she took one look and ran away. So there IS something going
on that from time to time may suspend the usually accepted physical
laws. On the other hand, I'm one heck of a guy (don't try this at
home). --



He cited the amazing story of a sailor named James Bartley who was swallowed
by a sperm whale off the Falkland Islands. About thirty-six hours later his
fellow sailors found him, unconscious but alive, inside the belly of the
animal. The story is bogus. It never happened and ranks as one of America's
earliest urban legends. However, in the world of radio preaching, emotional
convictions, and men who refuse to do their homework first, this pastor once
again used it to convince others of a literalism in the Bible that was never
meant to be taken as such. Ministers in general, like the writers of the New
Testament, are adept at making a scripture mean what it never meant. What
would never work in a college term paper, works just fine in many religious
writings. They called it Midrash. A critical thinker would call it dishonest
and misleading.


-- College term papers are notorious for shoveling half-assed crap.
Bad example. --

(Book of Revelation stuff exised for brevity)

... Take Judaism, Islam and Christianity out of the news and world peace would
break out tomorrow. From the most silly and entertaining antics of ministers
and lone spiritual masters, to the most hideous and bizarre beliefs, demands
and practices of those who follow, religion is a long way from making human
beings better for it all. Christian soldiers just have to stop that
"marching as to war" stuff.

Religion is what others pour into your head and usually requires one to be
at certain places at certain times, hold a group belief, marginalize, attack
or kill those that don't hold that belief and, of course, give ten percent
of your income to the proper Deity. Spirituality however, is an inside job.
It requires no one yelling at your from either your radio or pulpit to bring
you inner contentment and peace. It has no demand that you show up somewhere
once or twice a week to show you are on track with the group, and it
certainly does not ask you for your money so the guy who gave you the
information can buy a big house, new car or Rolex, so he can do "the work of
God."

Inner contentment and peace through "spirituality." Hmm, sounds like
more religion, pard. Keep on truckin'.