On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:



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On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than
most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference
is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or
WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective
contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night.

To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave
useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA
have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them.
Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas
right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD
on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day
listening, the decision is relatively simple.

Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a
times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local
area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most
nights. Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me.
The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion
that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. This was a
decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/
operators not interference - of which there is plenty.

Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making
money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference,
consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or
anything else you can think of.

You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who
transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture"
plan. There is not. Its all about economics and the possibility of
making big $$. Greed and nothing else.

A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. But that we no longer
have.

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On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a
times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local
area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most
nights.

You are saying that WBZ is stronger (I assume you mean "at night") in
Allegheny, Beaver, Butler, Fayette, Washington and Westmoreland counties of
Pennsylvania than KDKA?

Those 6 counties are the only market area that KDKA is interested in.

Similarly, I doubt that KDKA interferes with WBZ in Essex, Middlesex,
Norfolk, Plymouth, Suffolk, Worcester and Hillsborough counties, the Boston
MSA or, as you say, "market area." Since WBZ is directional westward, it's
not likely they will have any interference of significance.

Heck, every AM gets occasional interference; I recall numerous times hearing
Venezuela on 1-A Clear Channel 1100 in early evenings over WKYC (now WTAM)
even though I was about 12 miles from the WTAM transmitter. That's one of
the reasons AM has so little appeal to the generations that grew up on FM...
interference, noise, static, lousy audio quality.

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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

And KKOH and KGO.

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David Eduardo wrote:

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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than
most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

And KKOH and KGO.

At night. KGO runs HD daytime, still, I believe

David Eduardo wrote:

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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

And KKOH and KGO. And KKOB last time I checked.

On Mar 13, 1:42�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most..

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped.

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On Mar 13, 1:42�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped.

The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using
separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount,
any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is much
more.

On Mar 13, 2:15*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:





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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped.

The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using
separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount,
any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is much
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"HD Radio: Where We’ve Been, Where We’re Going And How to Get There"

W.C. Alexander, CPBE, AMD Director of Engineering Crawford
Broadcasting Company

"Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of
necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range.
As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in
heat and more cooling is required. It can thus
cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a
nonlinearized transmitter with the same
TPO... Additional up-front costs are incurred for the injector and
reject load as well as the transmission
line parts to connect everything together.. year times 15 years.
Include the cost of additional cooling using the same
formula... Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal
are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they
take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and
more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to
operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized..."

http://www.crawfordbroadcasting.com/...io%20Paper.pdf

From Crawford Broadcasting - debunked again, Eduardo! Eduardo - is
your little research staff still laughing about HD Radio, Mr.
Chapter-11? LOL!

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On Mar 13, 2:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped.

The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using
separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount,
any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is
much
more.- Hide quoted text -

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"Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of
necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range.
As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in
heat and more cooling is required. It can thus
cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a
nonlinearized transmitter with the same
TPO... Additional up-front costs are incurred for the injector and
reject load as well as the transmission
line parts to connect everything together.. year times 15 years.
Include the cost of additional cooling using the same
formula... Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal
are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they
take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and
more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to
operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized..."

Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny
fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If
the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to compete
with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD. HD
is for significant players in significant markets.

On Mar 13, 1:42*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most..

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.


"Upping HD Radio signal strengths"

"The short math given what we know today is that it will cost roughly
double on the transmission end to increase HD Radio FM power tenfold.
There are likely to be additional costs for cooling and air handling
as well, in order to dissipate the excess energy required to get out
another 10 dB in HD Radio signal. And, for some higher powered
stations, existing HD Radio configurations may not be able to handle
the power load, which could add to the cost and complexity of
increasing HD Radio beyond its current power level... Also worth
considering is existing transmitter combiner technology and whether or
not it can support the added demands of increasing HD Radio broadcasts
another 10 dB. If not, then it’s very likely that stations at the
higher power levels will need to factor in a new antenna system that
can support HD Radio, rather than piggyback onto their existing FM
antenna system. At the higher powers, especially, an immediate 10 dB
increase in HD Radio signal may be cost prohibitive... This will
typically mean the addition of another similarly rated transmitter
(using a combining technique) or the purchase of a new transmitter of
roughly twice today’s power level."

http://tinyurl.com/cfbrtq