In article
,
Mike wrote:

On May 13, 2:29*pm, bvallely wrote:
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So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

Hey, that's great Mike. I can still fund health care for non-producing
scum and then pay again for my own care. You make it sound it so good
but maybe, just maybe people should be responsible for funding their own
health care after all.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article
,
Mike wrote:

On May 13, 2:58?pm, dxAce wrote:
Mike wrote:
On May 13, 2:29 pm, bvallely wrote:
.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

Silly is some dumbass dufus, such as yourself, once claiming to have a PhD!

You don't know jack, boy.- Hide quoted text -

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Hey, Steve, show us all the "jack" you know! Explain how universal
health coverage would result in less people receiving medical care
than now.

I got a better idea. You explain to me why I'm responsible for someone
else's health care. I looked in the constitution and I could not find an
answer there. Maybe you could point it out to me.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On May 13, 2:27*pm, dave wrote:
MNMikeW wrote:
"Mike" wrote in message
...

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment.
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- - And of these 40 million, how many do you
- - suppose are uninsured INTENTIONALLY?

? Intentionally ?
1 - Due to Low Wages and Claim that They
Can't Afford Health Insurance ~ 30% -and-
Don't Know About Public Programs for the
Low Income Workers and their Families.
2 - Earn Good Wages Contract Commissions
and Claim that They Are Healthy and Don't
Need Health Insurance ~ 22%
3 - Just Plain Choose Not to Buy Health Insurance ~ 11%

Clearly 2 out of 3 Intentionally Choose Not to
Have Health Care Insurance.

- Health insurance should be mandatory,

yes, Yes. YES !

- like auto insurance.

But Many People Do Not "Buy" Auto Insurance
-aka- Un-Insured Drivers such as Un-Licensed
Drivers; Suspended Drivers and Illegal Alien Drivers.

- It saves taxpayer money in the long run.

Yes because ultimately the Taxpayers pay
for the Un-Insured that receive Health Care
Treatment.

On May 13, 4:50*pm, SeaWoe wrote:
On May 13, 3:15*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:



On May 13, 1:03*pm, "MNMikeW" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message

....

- More will have coverage than do now.
- Remember right now, the estimate is that
- 40 million have no coverage at all.
- That's the ultimate denial of treatment.

MN Mike,

No the Un-Covered go to any Hospital Emergency
Room and Get Treatment at the Taxpayers Expense.

Somebody {You and I} Else Pays For The Un-Covered
Because They Do Not Pay Their Fair Share.

One of the Key {Cost Containment} Features of
any National "Universal" Health Care System is
Prevention and Early Treatment in Public Clinics
and Doctor's Offices -versus- Costly Late Treatment
in a Hospital's Emergency Room and Hospitalization.

Health Care Costs are about 15% of the US GDP
and a Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and
Contract Tax* would be Required to Pay for a any
National "Universal" Health Care System.
THAT'S THE REALITY !

* Note - That is 15% Above and Beyond the Federal
and State Income Taxes you are already Paying.
*.
Universal Health Care It's As Simple As 1-2-3http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dde71b44cb7f7488
National 'Universal' Health Care System
{Remember It's Socialism}
*.
Getting More Doctors and Nurses for a True
"Universal" Health Care Systemhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/956227cb65e0d445
"IF" Health Care Is A Human Right : Then
Health Care Must Be Universal For All :
Therefore Health Care Must Be Socialized
and All Health Care Workers Public Employees.
*.
universal health care it's as simple as 1-2-3 ~ RHF
*.
*.

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And of these 40 million, how many do you suppose are uninsured
INTENTIONALLY?
You remove the 10 million "non-citizens" and 17 million who chose to go
without it's quite a bit smaller.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/prin...3509.aspx-Hide quoted text -

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- For a large part of my life I used employer-paid
- health care. That meant that our product / service
- was undercut by one from a nation that had an NHS.

1 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays for the Employer
Provided Health Care that that Cost is Factored into
the Cost of that Employer's Products and Services.

2 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays Taxes for the
Government Provided Health Care that that Cost is
Factored into the Cost of that Employer's Products
and Services.

One and two are about Equal in Increasing the Cost
of Production and the End Cost of the Goods and
Services.

Plus One and Two Make Domestic Goods and
Services Cost More than those Imported Goods
Not Subject to those Domestic Costs.

A National Sales Tax on All Goods and Services
that is Imposed on Both Domestic and Imported
Goods Levels the Playing Field {Equalizes} for
All Goods and Services and does not Penalize
Domestic Goods and Services.

A National Sales Tax System over the Long
Term helps to Increase Domestic Employment
and Reduce Imports over an Employer Wage
Based Income Tax System.

90% of US Citizens and Residents both Legal
and Illegal should be Paying their State and
Federal Taxes via Consumer Sales Taxes :
Instead of Wage Income Taxes. The 'Other' 10%
should in addition be Paying a Flat Wage Income
Tax Equal to the Sales Tax on Incomes that
are greater than 5 Times the National Income
Average {$50K} -say- $250K.

The Simple Facts is that the USA is no longer
an International Producer -aka- Exporting Nation
The USA is now an International Consumer
-aka- Importing Nation -and- Consumer Nations
Benefit Most from aSales Tax System versus a
Wage Income Tax System.

~ RHF

On May 13, 8:44*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,



*Mike wrote:
On May 13, 2:29*pm, bvallely wrote:
.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

Hey, that's great Mike. I can still fund health care for non-producing
scum and then pay again for my own care. You make it sound it so good
but maybe, just maybe people should be responsible for funding their own
health care after all.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Yeah Telamon,

Along the way you could make Car Payments
for them; and a Rent a House for them; and
Pay for a Vacation for them; and; and; and . . .

hey it free lunch time everyone - except for
those who have to work to pay for everyone ~ RHF
-ps- more like double taxation and very
little representation if any at all . . .

In article
,
"~ RHF" wrote:

On May 13, 8:44*pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article
,



*Mike wrote:
On May 13, 2:29*pm, bvallely wrote:
.
So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have
to offer is your Marxist rants?

More will have coverage than do now. Remember right now, the estimate
is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial
of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid
of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because
they can afford to pay cash.

The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental
surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if
private heath care will be abolished.

How silly.

Hey, that's great Mike. I can still fund health care for non-producing
scum and then pay again for my own care. You make it sound it so good
but maybe, just maybe people should be responsible for funding their own
health care after all.


Yeah Telamon,

Along the way you could make Car Payments
for them; and a Rent a House for them; and
Pay for a Vacation for them; and; and; and . . .

hey it free lunch time everyone - except for
those who have to work to pay for everyone ~ RHF
-ps- more like double taxation and very
little representation if any at all . . .

Yes, exactly.

Life is so much simpler for the oboma'tards. The Obomination may have
promised to pay the oboma'tards way but it will be the people that work
and pay taxes that provide for them.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:


I got a better idea. You explain to me why I'm responsible for someone
else's health care. I looked in the constitution and I could not find an
answer there. Maybe you could point it out to me.


Why am I responsible for your roads? Why should I have to pay for your
military?

Telamon wrote:

...but maybe, just maybe people should be responsible for funding
their own health care after all.

Hey, that's really a great idea!

I'm sure they -could- fund their own health care -- if only it wasn't
for that pesky economy that has tens of millions out of work and thus
not able to "fund their own health care".

I guess if they can't find a job, we will just have to set your
"unproductive scum" out on the curb to die when they get sick.

Oh, and one other thing...as a "good and compassionate Christian", I
hope you are fervently praying that YOUR job doesn't go away.

Five Of Muslim B HO's Muslim Thugs Convicted Of Plot To Blow Up Sears
Tower.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=264187

I fixed the title of that article too.
cuhulin

"dave" wrote in message
m...
MNMikeW wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
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MNMikeW wrote:

than now.

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The supply of Doctors is not infinite.


That is absurd.

That is the truth.

The supply of anything (with the possible exception of stupidity) is not
infinite. While you do not lie, you speak no truth.

You're in denial.