On May 15, 2:22*am, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 14, 11:11*pm, SeaWoe wrote:





On May 13, 11:37*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 13, 4:50*pm, SeaWoe wrote:

On May 13, 3:15*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 13, 1:03*pm, "MNMikeW" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message

...

- More will have coverage than do now.
- Remember right now, the estimate is that
- 40 million have no coverage at all.
- That's the ultimate denial of treatment.

MN Mike,

No the Un-Covered go to any Hospital Emergency
Room and Get Treatment at the Taxpayers Expense.

Somebody {You and I} Else Pays For The Un-Covered
Because They Do Not Pay Their Fair Share.

One of the Key {Cost Containment} Features of
any National "Universal" Health Care System is
Prevention and Early Treatment in Public Clinics
and Doctor's Offices -versus- Costly Late Treatment
in a Hospital's Emergency Room and Hospitalization.

Health Care Costs are about 15% of the US GDP
and a Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and
Contract Tax* would be Required to Pay for a any
National "Universal" Health Care System.
THAT'S THE REALITY !

* Note - That is 15% Above and Beyond the Federal
and State Income Taxes you are already Paying.
*.
Universal Health Care It's As Simple As 1-2-3http://groups.google..com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dde71b44cb7f7488
National 'Universal' Health Care System
{Remember It's Socialism}
*.
Getting More Doctors and Nurses for a True
"Universal" Health Care Systemhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/956227cb65e0d445
"IF" Health Care Is A Human Right : Then
Health Care Must Be Universal For All :
Therefore Health Care Must Be Socialized
and All Health Care Workers Public Employees.
*.
universal health care it's as simple as 1-2-3 ~ RHF
*.
*.

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And of these 40 million, how many do you suppose are uninsured
INTENTIONALLY?
You remove the 10 million "non-citizens" and 17 million who chose to go
without it's quite a bit smaller.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/prin....aspx-Hide...-

- Show quoted text -

- For a large part of my life I used employer-paid
- health care. That meant that our product / service
- was undercut by one from a nation that had an NHS.

1 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays for the Employer
Provided Health Care that that Cost is Factored into
the Cost of that Employer's Products and Services.

2 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays Taxes for the
Government Provided Health Care that that Cost is
Factored into the Cost of that Employer's Products
and Services.

One and two are about Equal in Increasing the Cost
of Production and the End Cost of the Goods and
Services.

Plus One and Two Make Domestic Goods and
Services Cost More than those Imported Goods
Not Subject to those Domestic Costs.

A National Sales Tax on All Goods and Services
that is Imposed on Both Domestic and Imported
Goods Levels the Playing Field {Equalizes} for
All Goods and Services and does not Penalize
Domestic Goods and Services.

A National Sales Tax System over the Long
Term helps to Increase Domestic Employment
and Reduce Imports over an Employer Wage
Based Income Tax System.

90% of US Citizens and Residents both Legal
and Illegal should be Paying their State and
Federal Taxes via Consumer Sales Taxes :
Instead of Wage Income Taxes. *The 'Other' 10%
should in addition be Paying a Flat Wage Income
Tax Equal to the Sales Tax on Incomes that
are greater than 5 Times the National Income
Average {$50K} -say- $250K.

The Simple Facts is that the USA is no longer
an International Producer -aka- Exporting Nation
The USA is now an International Consumer
-aka- Importing Nation -and- Consumer Nations
Benefit Most from aSales Tax System versus a
Wage Income Tax System.

~ RHF
*.

I was in the Navy and earner a pensin and medical care TFL.

I lived in GB for years, using their NHS.

Back in the states, I was on TFL for a couple of years before they
shifted me over to whatever SS calls their plan.

Were I running the world, we would all have something like the British
NHS or TFL. (I understand that the French NHS is even better)

NO insurance companies involved means doing away with a whole arm of
financial paperwork and being able to devote the saved cash to
medicines, instead.
The saved space from the bean=counters would mean being able to hold
more beds, too, I guess.

My late wife was a medical secretary, so she would be needed, but the
accointants - most of them - could take a hike!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- I agree with a National Sales Tax or VAT,
- or whatever term is selected.
- I didn't mind paying it as I knew it was going
- to help me in one way or another.
-*via the pool it entered.

Canada & The EU & Japan : Do the National
Sales Tax Thingee To There Benefit
-IF- The USA is to have a Level Global Playing
Field for US Products : Then the USA also
must have a National Sales Tax System to
be on an Equal Tax Footing with the 'other'
Producing Nations.
*.
The End-Result is that the US Government still
Collects the Same Amount of Total Taxes
-but- From More People Cause Everyone Pays
Equally Their Fair Share and American Products
are Priced More Competitively -wrt- Imported
Products within the USA and have an Equalized
Pricing in the Global Marketplace. Thus Creating
More Jobs for American Workers.
*.
However beyond 5-Times the National Average
Wage-Income {$50K} at about $250K Higher
Wage-Income Earners and Receivers Do Not
Pay Their "Fair-Share" of Taxes -so- There is
a PLUS to any National Sales Tax System a
Flat Wage Income Tax Equal to the Sales Tax.
*.
Getting More Doctors and Nurses for a True
"Universal" Health Care Systemhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/956227cb65e0d445
"IF" Health Care Is A Human Right : Then
Health Care Must Be Universal For All :
Therefore Health Care Must Be Socialized
and All Health Care Workers Public Employees.
*.
Universal Health Care -means- Universal Health
Care Insurance -aka- Everybody Payshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/56b0e08cc98891d9
*.
Paying For A National "Universal" Health Care System
-via- A Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and
Contract Tax {Everybody Pays}http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...76440217d9f07f
*.
Universal Health Care It's As Simple As 1-2-3http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dde71b44cb7f7488
National 'Universal' Health Care System
{Remember It's Socialism}
*.
universal health care it's as simple as 1-2-3 ~ RHF
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There is somethig screwey withy your shift key.
Please retype

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:

There is no such thing as God. It is childish to believe otherwise.
Reality is just the opposite. There is a God and there is a spiritual
side to you.


It is childish to think that in this world you will be left alone.
Defense is something no person can ignore and continue to live.

I have faith, you obviously don't.

Gandhi, MLK, Malcom X, and Nelson Mandella are my idols. Not a
fictitious cloud being.

I'll put my faith in the being that made us all rather than men.


You are ignoring the real world while embracing a fake one.

On May 15, 6:04*am, dave wrote:
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
*dave wrote:

MNMikeW wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
. com...
MNMikeW wrote:

than now.

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The supply of Doctors is not infinite.

That is absurd.
That is the truth.

The supply of anything (with the possible exception of stupidity) is not
infinite. *While you do not lie, you speak no truth.

Stupidity is the entropy of the mind.

- I know way more about stupidity than you do.

Dave -proclaims- I Know Way More About Stupidity Than You Do.

Dave from reading your Post here on this Newsgroup
I {Many of Us} would have to agree ~ RHF

On May 15, 6:33*pm, dave wrote:
Telamon wrote:

There is no such thing as God. *It is childish to believe otherwise.

Reality is just the opposite. There is a God and there is a spiritual
side to you.

It is childish to think that in this world you will be left alone.
Defense is something no person can ignore and continue to live.

- I have faith, you obviously don't.
-
- Gandhi, MLK, Malcom X, and Nelson Mandella are my idols.

So Dave You Worship {Human} Idols

-ps- You forgot to add the New and Improved
"Massiah" the Savior of the Socialist Masses
Barack 'The Almight' Obama to you List of Human Idols.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RGcb7alSk0
Our Obama Is An Awesome President of All
He Reigns From The White House High Above

On May 15, 11:49*pm, SeaWoe wrote:
On May 15, 2:22*am, "~ RHF" wrote:



On May 14, 11:11*pm, SeaWoe wrote:

On May 13, 11:37*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 13, 4:50*pm, SeaWoe wrote:

On May 13, 3:15*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 13, 1:03*pm, "MNMikeW" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message

...

- More will have coverage than do now.
- Remember right now, the estimate is that
- 40 million have no coverage at all.
- That's the ultimate denial of treatment.

MN Mike,

No the Un-Covered go to any Hospital Emergency
Room and Get Treatment at the Taxpayers Expense.

Somebody {You and I} Else Pays For The Un-Covered
Because They Do Not Pay Their Fair Share.

One of the Key {Cost Containment} Features of
any National "Universal" Health Care System is
Prevention and Early Treatment in Public Clinics
and Doctor's Offices -versus- Costly Late Treatment
in a Hospital's Emergency Room and Hospitalization.

Health Care Costs are about 15% of the US GDP
and a Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and
Contract Tax* would be Required to Pay for a any
National "Universal" Health Care System.
THAT'S THE REALITY !

* Note - That is 15% Above and Beyond the Federal
and State Income Taxes you are already Paying.
*.
Universal Health Care It's As Simple As 1-2-3http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dde71b44cb7f7488
National 'Universal' Health Care System
{Remember It's Socialism}
*.
Getting More Doctors and Nurses for a True
"Universal" Health Care Systemhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/956227cb65e0d445
"IF" Health Care Is A Human Right : Then
Health Care Must Be Universal For All :
Therefore Health Care Must Be Socialized
and All Health Care Workers Public Employees.
*.
universal health care it's as simple as 1-2-3 ~ RHF
*.
*.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------***----
And of these 40 million, how many do you suppose are uninsured
INTENTIONALLY?
You remove the 10 million "non-citizens" and 17 million who chose to go
without it's quite a bit smaller.

http://www.businessandmedia.org/prin...3509.aspx-Hide...

- Show quoted text -

- For a large part of my life I used employer-paid
- health care. That meant that our product / service
- was undercut by one from a nation that had an NHS.

1 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays for the Employer
Provided Health Care that that Cost is Factored into
the Cost of that Employer's Products and Services.

2 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays Taxes for the
Government Provided Health Care that that Cost is
Factored into the Cost of that Employer's Products
and Services.

One and two are about Equal in Increasing the Cost
of Production and the End Cost of the Goods and
Services.

Plus One and Two Make Domestic Goods and
Services Cost More than those Imported Goods
Not Subject to those Domestic Costs.

A National Sales Tax on All Goods and Services
that is Imposed on Both Domestic and Imported
Goods Levels the Playing Field {Equalizes} for
All Goods and Services and does not Penalize
Domestic Goods and Services.

A National Sales Tax System over the Long
Term helps to Increase Domestic Employment
and Reduce Imports over an Employer Wage
Based Income Tax System.

90% of US Citizens and Residents both Legal
and Illegal should be Paying their State and
Federal Taxes via Consumer Sales Taxes :
Instead of Wage Income Taxes. *The 'Other' 10%
should in addition be Paying a Flat Wage Income
Tax Equal to the Sales Tax on Incomes that
are greater than 5 Times the National Income
Average {$50K} -say- $250K.

The Simple Facts is that the USA is no longer
an International Producer -aka- Exporting Nation
The USA is now an International Consumer
-aka- Importing Nation -and- Consumer Nations
Benefit Most from aSales Tax System versus a
Wage Income Tax System.

~ RHF
*.

I was in the Navy and earner a pensin and medical care TFL.

I lived in GB for years, using their NHS.

Back in the states, I was on TFL for a couple of years before they
shifted me over to whatever SS calls their plan.

Were I running the world, we would all have something like the British
NHS or TFL. (I understand that the French NHS is even better)

NO insurance companies involved means doing away with a whole arm of
financial paperwork and being able to devote the saved cash to
medicines, instead.
The saved space from the bean=counters would mean being able to hold
more beds, too, I guess.

My late wife was a medical secretary, so she would be needed, but the
accointants - most of them - could take a hike!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- I agree with a National Sales Tax or VAT,
- or whatever term is selected.
- I didn't mind paying it as I knew it was going
- to help me in one way or another.
-*via the pool it entered.

Canada & The EU & Japan : Do the National
Sales Tax Thingee To There Benefit
-IF- The USA is to have a Level Global Playing
Field for US Products : Then the USA also
must have a National Sales Tax System to
be on an Equal Tax Footing with the 'other'
Producing Nations.
*.
The End-Result is that the US Government still
Collects the Same Amount of Total Taxes
-but- From More People Cause Everyone Pays
Equally Their Fair Share and American Products
are Priced More Competitively -wrt- Imported
Products within the USA and have an Equalized
Pricing in the Global Marketplace. Thus Creating
More Jobs for American Workers.
*.
However beyond 5-Times the National Average
Wage-Income {$50K} at about $250K Higher
Wage-Income Earners and Receivers Do Not
Pay Their "Fair-Share" of Taxes -so- There is
a PLUS to any National Sales Tax System a
Flat Wage Income Tax Equal to the Sales Tax.
*.
Getting More Doctors and Nurses for a True
"Universal" Health Care Systemhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/956227cb65e0d445
"IF" Health Care Is A Human Right : Then
Health Care Must Be Universal For All :
Therefore Health Care Must Be Socialized
and All Health Care Workers Public Employees.
*.
Universal Health Care -means- Universal Health
Care Insurance -aka- Everybody Payshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/56b0e08cc98891d9
*.
Paying For A National "Universal" Health Care System
-via- A Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and
Contract Tax {Everybody Pays}http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...76440217d9f07f
*.
Universal Health Care It's As Simple As 1-2-3http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dde71b44cb7f7488
National 'Universal' Health Care System
{Remember It's Socialism}
*.
universal health care it's as simple as 1-2-3 ~ RHF
*.
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- There is somethig screwey withy your shift key.
- Please retype

tHERE iS sOMETHING sCREWEY wITH
yOUR sHIFT kEY. pLEASE rETYPE

ah now that is much better
and i 'feel' so good ~ RHF

On May 16, 3:14*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 15, 6:33*pm, dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:

There is no such thing as God. *It is childish to believe otherwise.

Reality is just the opposite. There is a God and there is a spiritual
side to you.

It is childish to think that in this world you will be left alone.
Defense is something no person can ignore and continue to live.

- I have faith, you obviously don't.
-
- Gandhi, MLK, Malcom X, and Nelson Mandella are my idols.

So Dave You Worship {Human} Idols

-ps- You forgot to add the New and Improved
"Massiah" the Savior of the Socialist Masses
Barack 'The Almight' Obama to you List of Human Idols.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RGcb7alSk0
Our Obama Is An Awesome President of All
He Reigns From The White House High Above
*.
. . . and the Obama-Praiser© All Chant :
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Obama is Good
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Change is Good
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Socialism is Change
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Obama is Change
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Obama's Word is Law
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Obama's Promised Higher Taxes
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Obama's Delivered Higher Taxes
We Love Our Prez Obama
© © © © © © © © ©
*.
-*Not a fictitious cloud being.

Dave ? fictitious cloud being ?
God Is All -&- God Is One ~ RHFhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfZOUVD46TI
*.

I was told that he "literally" doesn't crap (meaning Obama), can you
believe that? The gentleman who said that (black guy) literally said
that and didn't flinch, like he believed it, no hint in body language
or facial features while he said it. I did nothing but listen and
shake his hand and say "take care" and walked away and rolled my eyes.
I wonder what medication he was on? Obamanax maybe?

In article
,
Bushcraftgregg wrote:

On May 16, 3:14*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 15, 6:33*pm, dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:

There is no such thing as God. *It is childish to believe otherwise.

Reality is just the opposite. There is a God and there is a spiritual
side to you.

It is childish to think that in this world you will be left alone.
Defense is something no person can ignore and continue to live.

- I have faith, you obviously don't.
-
- Gandhi, MLK, Malcom X, and Nelson Mandella are my idols.

So Dave You Worship {Human} Idols

-ps- You forgot to add the New and Improved
"Massiah" the Savior of the Socialist Masses
Barack 'The Almight' Obama to you List of Human
Idols.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RGcb7alSk0
Our Obama Is An Awesome President of All
He Reigns From The White House High Above
*.
. . . and the Obama-Praiser© All Chant :
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Obama is Good
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Change is Good
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Socialism is Change
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Obama is Change
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Obama's Word is Law
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Obama's Promised Higher Taxes
We Worship Our Prez Obama
Obama's Delivered Higher Taxes
We Love Our Prez Obama
© © © © © © © © ©
*.
-*Not a fictitious cloud being.

Dave ? fictitious cloud being ?
God Is All -&- God Is One ~ RHFhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfZOUVD46TI
*.

I was told that he "literally" doesn't crap (meaning Obama), can you
believe that? The gentleman who said that (black guy) literally said
that and didn't flinch, like he believed it, no hint in body language
or facial features while he said it. I did nothing but listen and
shake his hand and say "take care" and walked away and rolled my eyes.
I wonder what medication he was on? Obamanax maybe?

The Obomination takes a crap every time he opens his mouth. Be a good
listener now.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Battle of the blondes to Revive US Right.
www.rense.com

,,,,,,,,,she said with steely clarity.

What a CROCK of BULLLLLLLLLLSH.TTTTTTTTTTT!!!!
cuhulin