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A question for Obama supporters....
On May 13, 11:54*am, Mike wrote:
On May 13, 2:29*pm, bvallely wrote: . So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have to offer is your Marxist rants? More will have coverage than do now. .. No, everyone has coverage in America today. It's illegal for an emergency room to turn away anyone. Remember right now, the estimate is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because they can afford to pay cash. .. Not if we go for Single Payer, which is what liberals want. .. The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if private heath care will be abolished. .. Yes, it will. |
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A question for Obama supporters....
bvallely wrote: On May 13, 11:54 am, Mike wrote: On May 13, 2:29 pm, bvallely wrote: . So, when healthcare is rationed, and treatment is denied, all you have to offer is your Marxist rants? More will have coverage than do now. . No, everyone has coverage in America today. It's illegal for an emergency room to turn away anyone. Remember right now, the estimate is that 40 million have no coverage at all. That's the ultimate denial of treatment. You can still pay for extra coverage if you are afraid of rationing. The rich won't have to worry about rationing because they can afford to pay cash. . Not if we go for Single Payer, which is what liberals want. . The rationing would only apply to people receiving experimental surgeries and who will rely on the gov't program. It's not as if private heath care will be abolished. . Yes, it will. One must remember that Bryant is full of BS (Bryant Sierra). He's a dufus academic who at one time claimed to have a PhD. Bryant is like Obama, believe him and follow him at your peril, and your country's peril. dxAce Michigan USA |
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A question for Obama supporters....
Dodge makes the Best vehicles in the World, Period!
I saw on local tv news Wilson Dodge is having a big liquidation sale. www.wilsondodge.net/index.htm If you are in the market for a new vehicle, come on down to Wilson Dodge in Flowood.Flowood is a suburb City, East side of Jackson, just across the mighty Pearl River. cuhulin .................................................. ....... Weee got married in a fevahhhh,,,, hotter than brussels sprouts,,,,,, we are goin to Jackson,,,, look outttt Jackson townnnn,,,,, Well, go on downnnn to Jacksonnnn,,, go ahead and make a fool of yourself,,, We are goinnnn to Jacksonnnnn,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,, |
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A question for Obama supporters....
The USURPER B HO's birth certificate: A PURE FRAUD!
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=264269 cuhulin |
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A question for Obama supporters....
The Great State of Texas seeks Justice for her Citizens! (another
INDICTMENT against Obama) http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=264259 cuhulin |
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A question for Obama supporters....
In article ,
Billy Burpelson wrote: Telamon wrote: ...but maybe, just maybe people should be responsible for funding their own health care after all. Hey, that's really a great idea! I'm sure they -could- fund their own health care -- if only it wasn't for that pesky economy that has tens of millions out of work and thus not able to "fund their own health care". I guess if they can't find a job, we will just have to set your "unproductive scum" out on the curb to die when they get sick. Oh, and one other thing...as a "good and compassionate Christian", I hope you are fervently praying that YOUR job doesn't go away. You just don't get it Mr. Clueless because you are just unable to understand a concept. How you have managed to get this far in life being like that is nearly incomprehensible to me. You must have a lot of God's grace going for you is the only way I can see it. You are the RRS news group's very own Scarecrow wishing you had a brain. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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A question for Obama supporters....
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dave wrote: Telamon wrote: I got a better idea. You explain to me why I'm responsible for someone else's health care. I looked in the constitution and I could not find an answer there. Maybe you could point it out to me. Why am I responsible for your roads? Why should I have to pay for your military? We all use the roads and we all benefit from the common defense of the country. The constitution provides for that. What it does not provide for is the taking of one man's wealth and giving it to another. This is the only country where our rights come from God not government or man. Government, a man as ruler, or men as a committee do not have the right to redistribute wealth as they deem fit for any reason that can be thought of OR we are not free and are under the tyranny of said government, a ruler, or group of men. If you can't see this then go live in any other country on the world and have it their way. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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A question for Obama supporters....
In article ,
dave wrote: MNMikeW wrote: "dave" wrote in message ... MNMikeW wrote: than now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- The supply of Doctors is not infinite. That is absurd. That is the truth. The supply of anything (with the possible exception of stupidity) is not infinite. While you do not lie, you speak no truth. Stupidity is the entropy of the mind. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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(OT) : Paying For A National "Universal" Health Care System -via-A Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and Contract Tax {Everybody Pays}
On May 13, 11:37*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 13, 4:50*pm, SeaWoe wrote: On May 13, 3:15*pm, "~ RHF" wrote: On May 13, 1:03*pm, "MNMikeW" wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... - More will have coverage than do now. - Remember right now, the estimate is that - 40 million have no coverage at all. - That's the ultimate denial of treatment. MN Mike, No the Un-Covered go to any Hospital Emergency Room and Get Treatment at the Taxpayers Expense. Somebody {You and I} Else Pays For The Un-Covered Because They Do Not Pay Their Fair Share. One of the Key {Cost Containment} Features of any National "Universal" Health Care System is Prevention and Early Treatment in Public Clinics and Doctor's Offices -versus- Costly Late Treatment in a Hospital's Emergency Room and Hospitalization. Health Care Costs are about 15% of the US GDP and a Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and Contract Tax* would be Required to Pay for a any National "Universal" Health Care System. THAT'S THE REALITY ! * Note - That is 15% Above and Beyond the Federal and State Income Taxes you are already Paying. *. Universal Health Care It's As Simple As 1-2-3http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dde71b44cb7f7488 National 'Universal' Health Care System {Remember It's Socialism} *. Getting More Doctors and Nurses for a True "Universal" Health Care Systemhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/956227cb65e0d445 "IF" Health Care Is A Human Right : Then Health Care Must Be Universal For All : Therefore Health Care Must Be Socialized and All Health Care Workers Public Employees. *. universal health care it's as simple as 1-2-3 ~ RHF *. *. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------**---- And of these 40 million, how many do you suppose are uninsured INTENTIONALLY? You remove the 10 million "non-citizens" and 17 million who chose to go without it's quite a bit smaller. http://www.businessandmedia.org/prin...spx-Hidequoted text - - Show quoted text - - For a large part of my life I used employer-paid - health care. That meant that our product / service - was undercut by one from a nation that had an NHS. 1 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays for the Employer Provided Health Care that that Cost is Factored into the Cost of that Employer's Products and Services. 2 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays Taxes for the Government Provided Health Care that that Cost is Factored into the Cost of that Employer's Products and Services. One and two are about Equal in Increasing the Cost of Production and the End Cost of the Goods and Services. Plus One and Two Make Domestic Goods and Services Cost More than those Imported Goods Not Subject to those Domestic Costs. A National Sales Tax on All Goods and Services that is Imposed on Both Domestic and Imported Goods Levels the Playing Field {Equalizes} for All Goods and Services and does not Penalize Domestic Goods and Services. A National Sales Tax System over the Long Term helps to Increase Domestic Employment and Reduce Imports over an Employer Wage Based Income Tax System. 90% of US Citizens and Residents both Legal and Illegal should be Paying their State and Federal Taxes via Consumer Sales Taxes : Instead of Wage Income Taxes. *The 'Other' 10% should in addition be Paying a Flat Wage Income Tax Equal to the Sales Tax on Incomes that are greater than 5 Times the National Income Average {$50K} -say- $250K. The Simple Facts is that the USA is no longer an International Producer -aka- Exporting Nation The USA is now an International Consumer -aka- Importing Nation -and- Consumer Nations Benefit Most from aSales Tax System versus a Wage Income Tax System. ~ RHF *. I was in the Navy and earner a pensin and medical care TFL. I lived in GB for years, using their NHS. Back in the states, I was on TFL for a couple of years before they shifted me over to whatever SS calls their plan. Were I running the world, we would all have something like the British NHS or TFL. (I understand that the French NHS is even better) NO insurance companies involved means doing away with a whole arm of financial paperwork and being able to devote the saved cash to medicines, instead. The saved space from the bean=counters would mean being able to hold more beds, too, I guess. My late wife was a medical secretary, so she would be needed, but the accointants - most of them - could take a hike!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree with a National Sales Tax or VAT, or whatever term is selected. I didn't mind paying it as I knew it was going to help me in one way or another. via the pool it entered. |
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(OT) : Paying For A National "Universal" Health Care System -via-A Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and Contract Tax {Everybody Pays}
On May 14, 5:23*am, dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote: - - * Note - That is 15% Above and Beyond the Federal - - and State Income Taxes you are already Paying. - - . - That's not a bad deal. No -if- You Believe that Health Care is a Right and therefore a National Health Care System Must Be "Universal" and Cover Everyone : Then That's What Everyone Must Equally Pay. Better a National Sales Tax Where All Goods and Services Are Taxed Equally : Then a Wage-Income Tax Where American Made Domestic Goods are Taxed and Imported {Chinese Made} Goods go Tax Free : The Wage-Income Taxing method would Result in Pricing Domestic Goods 15% Higher than Imported Goods. That's Not Good For American Jobs and Workers. ~ RHF |
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