On May 15, 8:59*am, "They call me Trinity"
wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

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wrote:
The late, great Milton Friedmanhttp://www.ideachannel.tv/
in his classic book prophetically revealed how 0baMa0's reckless
monetary policies will cause hyperinflation and destroy our nation
https://www.newsmaxstore.com/nm_mag/...MO_CODE=7FD4-1

Milton Friedman? *Give me a break. *The man should be in Hell with
Chairman Mao.

There's a Haitian saying: "He who lays down with dogs gets up with fleas"
and a Dutch saying "Mix with the slops and you'll be fed to the hogs" IMO
these sum
up the end result of globalization nicely (as I perceive it). *First world
countries will be dragged down to the
level of the third world.

correct, you cannot ignore the destruction of wages because you are
competing with slave and sweatshop labor, on top of all of the
environmental destruction. sooner or later the wage destruction will
come home to roost and demand plunges.
how the market fundamentalists can still have a feverish grip on the
world is beyond me, they have been complete failures, and have driven
just about every country into bankruptcy.
free trade is dead, its dying as we speak, yet, the g-20 just meet,
got down on their hands and knee's, and are still barking and braying
about the wonders of the free market, and pledging themselves openly
to adhere to the religion, simply amazing.

On May 15, 7:27*am, wrote:

*free trade is dead, its dying as we speak, yet, the g-20 just meet,
got down on their hands and knee's, and are still barking and braying
about the wonders of the free market, and pledging themselves openly
to adhere to the religion, simply amazing.

After all that has happened I still believe we are best served by free
trade in fair markets. Our economic and military safety is best
served
by shared interests of the masses and control of the power elite in
every nation.

In my younger years I underestimated the impacts of cultural norms
and the time it takes to change them. I wonder how many really hear
Obama's UofA speech, especially the parts about standards of success.
I wonder how many around the world dream of one day becoming the
oppressor rather than the opressed, not thinking about the alternative
where none are oppressed.

I still think that when China come fully on line things will start
getting
better even if there are other holdouts. The problem is to find a way
to bring them on line without destroying the habitat for humans.

On May 15, 9:58*am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 15, 7:27*am, wrote:

*free trade is dead, its dying as we speak, yet, the g-20 just meet,
got down on their hands and knee's, and are still barking and braying
about the wonders of the free market, and pledging themselves openly
to adhere to the religion, simply amazing.

After all that has happened I still believe we are best served by free
trade in fair markets. *Our economic and military safety is best
served
by shared interests of the masses and control of the power elite in
every nation.



a complete fairy tale. the exact opposite has happened.


In my younger years I underestimated the impacts of cultural norms
and the time it takes to change them. *I wonder how many really hear
Obama's UofA speech, especially the parts about standards of success.
I wonder how many around the world dream of one day becoming the
oppressor rather than the opressed, not thinking about the alternative
where none are oppressed.


in a free market, you are free to do as you please, and that is just
what happened to us. we are living the nightmare of freedom for the
few.


I still think that when China come fully on line things will start
getting
better even if there are other holdouts. *The problem is to find a way
to bring them on line without destroying the habitat for humans.

holdouts, just about every country in the world is back peddling from
free trade as fast as they can to save what little wealth they have
left.

On May 15, 7:58*am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 15, 7:27*am, wrote:

*free trade is dead, its dying as we speak, yet, the g-20 just meet,
got down on their hands and knee's, and are still barking and braying
about the wonders of the free market, and pledging themselves openly
to adhere to the religion, simply amazing.

- After all that has happened I still believe
- we are best served by free trade in fair markets.

? Fair Markets ?

Is China a 'Fair Market ?
And do we the USA Free and Open Access
to to Sell into the Chinese Market ?

-*Our economic and military safety is best served
- by shared interests of the masses and control of
- the power elite in every nation.

? control of the power elite ?

Control -by- The Power Elite ?

Control -of- The Power Elite ?

- In my younger years I underestimated the
- impacts of cultural norms and the time it
- takes to change them.

? Cultural Norms ? & "Change"

Without Revolutionary Change about Three
Generations which is roughly 60 Years or
more for a Society to significantly 'change'
Its' Cultural Norms. .

*I wonder how many really hear
Obama's UofA speech, especially the parts about standards of success.
I wonder how many around the world dream of one day becoming the
oppressor rather than the opressed, not thinking about the alternative
where none are oppressed.

The Leadership of the Power Elite
-=versus=-
The Dictatorship of the Masses

- I still think that when China come fully on line
- things will start getting better even if there are
- other holdouts.

? China comes Fully On-Line ?

The Internet ? -or- Globally ?

-*The problem is to find a way to bring them on
- line without destroying the habitat for humans.

Chine will do it better than the USA because the
Chinese will have built many more Newer & Cleaner
Coal Fired Electric Power Plants the The USA
which will build Zero because of the Environmental
Road Block in the USA..

On May 15, 10:06*am, wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 07:27:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
correct, you cannot ignore the destruction of wages because you are
competing with slave and sweatshop labor, on top of all of the
environmental destruction. sooner or later the wage destruction will
come home to roost and demand plunges.

Unless you do tariffs.

correct. and i think they are coming, even if the powers that be,
kick and scream and get on their knees and beg forgiveness to their
gods. sooner or later, its going to happen, otherwise we fail, and the
nation breaks up.

On May 15, 8:06*am, wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 07:27:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
- - correct, you cannot ignore the destruction of wages because you
are
- - competing with slave and sweatshop labor, on top of all of the
- - environmental destruction. sooner or later the wage destruction
will
- - come home to roost and demand plunges.

- Unless you do tariffs.

Import Tariffs are the quickest way to a Global Depression.

~ RHF wrote:
On May 15, 8:06 am, wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2009 07:27:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
- - correct, you cannot ignore the destruction of wages because you
are
- - competing with slave and sweatshop labor, on top of all of the
- - environmental destruction. sooner or later the wage destruction
will
- - come home to roost and demand plunges.

- Unless you do tariffs.

Import Tariffs are the quickest way to a Global Depression.
.

We're already there.

On May 15, 9:02*am, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 15, 8:06*am, wrote: On Fri, 15 May 2009 07:27:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

- - correct, you cannot ignore the destruction of wages because you
are
- - competing with slave and sweatshop labor, on top of all of the
- - environmental destruction. sooner or later the wage destruction
will
- - come home to roost and demand plunges.

- Unless you do tariffs.

Import Tariffs are the quickest way to a Global Depression.
*.

I have no problem with tariffs used to make trade fair. In order
to make sure they are used in that way the tariffs need to be
used to mitigate the reason for their application in the nation
agaisnt which they are applied.