On May 15, 3:19*pm, "
wrote:
On May 15, 9:02*am, Gary Forbis wrote:
Milton Freidman coined the phrase "there's no such thing as a free
lunch." I live by that phrase. Milton Friedman's other philosophies
screwed up several economies. *

* But, since it's mostly 19th Century media people who live by such
jingo philosophy, rather than modern computer and technology
* people, that's also why GPS, Digital Terrain Mapping,
Holographics, *MP3, MPEG, XML, Fiber Optics, Cell Phones,
* Optical Computers, Distributed Processing, On-Line Publishing,
* USB, Thermo-Electric Cooling, and Self-Replicating Machines where
built for the spoon benders who think there is no such thing as
* a free lunch

Even the people building these things know there's no such thing
as a free lunch. They use the term enthropy to identify the concept.
None the less we still have air conditioners and heat pumps. Some
silly people might only have a focus inside their air conditioned room
and think "Yup, there is too a free lunch. It's hot out there and
cool
in here and yet I can make it colder by turning this dial."

On May 15, 7:30*pm, Gary Forbis wrote:
On May 15, 3:19*pm, "
wrote:

On May 15, 9:02*am, Gary Forbis wrote:
Milton Freidman coined the phrase "there's no such thing as a free
lunch." *I live by that phrase. *Milton Friedman's other philosophies
screwed up several economies. *

* But, since it's mostly 19th Century media people who live by such
* jingo philosophy, rather than modern computer and technology
* people, that's also why *GPS, Digital Terrain Mapping,
* Holographics, *MP3, MPEG, XML, Fiber Optics, Cell Phones,
* Optical Computers, Distributed Processing, On-Line Publishing,
* USB, Thermo-Electric Cooling, and Self-Replicating Machines where
* built for the spoon benders who think there is no such thing as
* a free lunch

Even the people building these things know there's no such thing
as a free lunch. *They use the term enthropy to identify the concept.

But, since that crap from physics, and is 300 years old, it's
also why the their Chemists, and the the real engineers work on
Thermo-Electric Cooling,
Microwave Cooling, C++, Distributed Processing, post Wal-Mart
Batteries,
Optical Computers, Light Sticks, DVD-rom, CD-rw, USB, HDTV
debugging,
On-Line Banking, On-Line Shopping, On-Line Publishing, Holography,
Autonomous Vehicles, Digital-Terrain Mapping, and GPS for the
entropy cranks anyway.



None the less we still have air conditioners and heat pumps. *Some
silly people might only have a focus inside their air conditioned room
and think "Yup, there is too a free lunch. *It's hot out there and
cool
in here and yet I can make it colder by turning this dial."

wrote in message
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These new emerging findings are blowing common economic thought out of
the water. People are not rational and do not pursue their best
interests. They can be and are manipulated against their own economic
interests.

Case in point, poor people who vote Republican.

Jim

On May 15, 5:47*pm, "Clave"
wrote:
wrote in message

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These new emerging findings are blowing common economic thought out of
the water. People are not rational and do not pursue their best
interests. They can be and are manipulated against their own economic
interests.

Case in point, poor people who vote Republican.

I don't consider that a free lunch. The poor pay
heavily for their acts in voting Republican.

"Gary Forbis" wrote in message
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On May 15, 5:47 pm, "Clave"
wrote:
wrote in message

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...

These new emerging findings are blowing common economic thought out of
the water. People are not rational and do not pursue their best
interests. They can be and are manipulated against their own economic
interests.

Case in point, poor people who vote Republican.

I don't consider that a free lunch. The poor pay
heavily for their acts in voting Republican.
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His point was that it's the people paying attention to and manipulating the
predictably irrational who are in line for the free lunch.

Jim

Clave wrote:
"Gary Forbis" wrote in message
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On May 15, 5:47 pm, "Clave"
wrote:
wrote in message

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...

These new emerging findings are blowing common economic thought out of
the water. People are not rational and do not pursue their best
interests. They can be and are manipulated against their own economic
interests.
Case in point, poor people who vote Republican.

I don't consider that a free lunch. The poor pay
heavily for their acts in voting Republican.
================================================== ================

Maybe they see long term, rather than your short term view that got us
here. Everyone gets a house, who cares who pays.... right.


His point was that it's the people paying attention to and manipulating the
predictably irrational who are in line for the free lunch.

Jim

"Beam Me Up Scotty" wrote in
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Clave wrote:
"Gary Forbis" wrote in message
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On May 15, 5:47 pm, "Clave"
wrote:
wrote in message

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...

These new emerging findings are blowing common economic thought out of
the water. People are not rational and do not pursue their best
interests. They can be and are manipulated against their own economic
interests.
Case in point, poor people who vote Republican.

I don't consider that a free lunch. The poor pay
heavily for their acts in voting Republican.
================================================== ================

Maybe they see long term, rather than your short term view that got us
here. Everyone gets a house, who cares who pays.... right.

What in the freaking hell are you bibbling about?

Jim

In article ,
"Clave" wrote:

"Gary Forbis" wrote in message
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On May 15, 5:47 pm, "Clave"
wrote:
wrote in message

...

...

These new emerging findings are blowing common economic thought out of
the water. People are not rational and do not pursue their best
interests. They can be and are manipulated against their own economic
interests.

Case in point, poor people who vote Republican.

I don't consider that a free lunch. The poor pay
heavily for their acts in voting Republican.
================================================== ================

His point was that it's the people paying attention to and manipulating the
predictably irrational who are in line for the free lunch.

That's the Democrap's you clowns with the promise of the free lunch
through the redistribution of wealth. The Obominator is your man on the
job.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On May 15, 9:12*pm, Telamon
wrote:
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*"Clave" wrote:
"Gary Forbis" wrote in message
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On May 15, 5:47 pm, "Clave"
wrote:
wrote in message

.. .

...

These new emerging findings are blowing common economic thought out of
the water. People are not rational and do not pursue their best
interests. They can be and are manipulated against their own economic
interests.

Case in point, poor people who vote Republican.

I don't consider that a free lunch. *The poor pay
heavily for their acts in voting Republican.
================================================== ================

His point was that it's the people paying attention to and manipulating the
predictably irrational who are in line for the free lunch.

That's the Democrap's you clowns with the promise of the free lunch
through the redistribution of wealth. The Obominator is your man on the
job.

Recovery of stollen goods is also "redistribution of wealth".
None the less his point wasn't about promises but actions.

There's no such thing as a free lunch. Just because you
didn't pay for it doesn't mean it was free. Milton's use of
the adage was different than mine. Milton's use was more
along the lines that if one is offered something for free one
should check the fine print. Mine is to observe shifted
costs.

I don't support the notion of a right to healthcare but I
think preventitive healthcare is cheaper than emergency
care that could have been prevented and if we are going
to pay for emergency care that could have been prevented
then we should reduce our costs by preventing the problem
in the first place.

"Gary Forbis" wrote in message
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On May 15, 9:12 pm, Telamon
wrote:
In article ,





"Clave" wrote:
"Gary Forbis" wrote in message
...
On May 15, 5:47 pm, "Clave"
wrote:
wrote in message

.. .

...

These new emerging findings are blowing common economic thought out
of
the water. People are not rational and do not pursue their best
interests. They can be and are manipulated against their own
economic
interests.

Case in point, poor people who vote Republican.

I don't consider that a free lunch. The poor pay
heavily for their acts in voting Republican.
================================================== ================

His point was that it's the people paying attention to and manipulating
the
predictably irrational who are in line for the free lunch.

That's the Democrap's you clowns with the promise of the free lunch
through the redistribution of wealth. The Obominator is your man on the
job.

Recovery of stollen goods is also "redistribution of wealth".
None the less his point wasn't about promises but actions.

There's no such thing as a free lunch. Just because you
didn't pay for it doesn't mean it was free. Milton's use of
the adage was different than mine. Milton's use was more
along the lines that if one is offered something for free one
should check the fine print. Mine is to observe shifted
costs.
================================================== ==================

Right -- words mean what you want them to mean, no more and no less.

I don't know which of the two of you is more incoherent.

Jim