On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:29:13 -0700, Chas. Chan wrote:

On Jun 18, 2:54Â*am, (Doug Bashford) wrote:
Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*hal said about:
Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Who Is "Fascist"?

On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:40:15 -0700 (PDT), 0baMa0 Tse Dung
wrote:

Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.
this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
terms.

And millions of American eager to swallow.

Like they made liberal a bad word. Â*Marx was right. Â*It all comes
down to class warfare. Â*Either we let the ultra wealthy conservatives
hide behind their corporations and run the government for their own
personal benefit, or we let the people run the government for the
benefit of all. Â*Fascism is the ultra wealthy controlling the
government. Â*Liberalism has attempted to take that control back and
put it in the hands of The People. Â*Such was the purpose of The US
Constitution. Â*A very liberal document by the way.

Yup.

Synopsis from World Book 1958:
Â* Â* Â* Fascism's parts:
Â* Â* Â*1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation of
Â* Â* Â*ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, Â*5) militarism.

cultivation of ignorance?

Karl Rove answers:
Â* Â*"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
Â* Â* Â*-- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
Â* Â* which Â*proves there can be too much of a good thing."
Â* Â* Â* Â* --Karl Rove, February 19, 2001

Â* Â* Â*"We stand for the maintenance of private
Â* property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
Â* Â* Â*most expedient, or rather the sole possible
Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* economic order."
Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Adolph Hitler

Â* " Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it
Â* is a merger of State and
Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* corporate power."
Â*Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of
Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Italy

Â* Â*" The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the
Â*people tolerate the growth of Government power to the
Â* Â* Â*point where it becomes stronger than The
Â* Â* People. That in its essence is
Â* Â* Â*Socialism - ownership of everything by Government. "
Â* Â*President Franklin Delano Roosevelt - on the
Â* Â* Â*threat to democracy by corporate power

The insane twist the facts to fit their world view. The rational change
their world view to fit the facts.


Fascist Benito Mussolini and socialist Roosevelt held each other in high
regard.
Roosevelt was a Big fan of Mussilini fascism because he recognized that
fascism was the only means to true Socialism.

I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
The Governement run the private sector.

Read "The Road to Sefdom".

You seem to have answered your own question: Mussolini was a fascist.

Your ridiculous unsupported claims that Roosevelt was a "socialist" and
that "he recognized that fascism was the only means to true Socialism"
are your own demented creations.

The reality is that socialism is a political manifestation in which the
government _OWNS_ the means of production. Fascism is ab-use of
government by the wealthy and powerful in league with the church to
maintain and enhance the power of the owner class. These two political
contrivances are entirely different.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

Mussolini wound up DEAD! hangin by his feetsies UPSIDE down from a Lamp
Post in Milano,Eeeetaly.

www.devilfinder.com
Mussolini hanging from a lamp post in Italy

Heh, there is a parody song abouts that too.Heh Heh Heh.

Leetle Adolph Hitler wound up DEAD! down there in that there concrete
bunker in Berlin,Germany.He commenced to commit SUICIDE! that was the
Best thing he ever did while he was still alive.
cuhulin

David Letterman is fascist.
cuhulin

in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On Sun, 21 Jun, dave said about:
Who Is "Fascist"?


Chas. Chan wrote:


Fascist Benito Mussolini and socialist Roosevelt held each other in
high regard.
Roosevelt was a Big fan of Mussilini fascism because he recognized
that fascism was the only means to true Socialism.

I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
The Governement run the private sector.


War is pure fascist socialism.

To bad you are so brainwashed, cuz you have some
interesting ideas. But you'll never find truth.
It's pure fascisism, nothing socialistic
about it. But that concept is taboo in America.
Judging from your lingo, you've
been brainwashed by the RW libertarians,
probably the LP Libertarians.
What a waste.

Wanna test that concept?
Most people would not, they shift into self
defense mode at the very idea, and close down.

In our specific context; Here's how they do it:
They have re-defined "socialism" in your
mind. Try a dictionary.
Here's 20 of them: www.onelook.com/

Caution: they are similar enough to your implanted
version, you will need extreme critical thinking.

more general info on that:

http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...hors=&safe=off


Synopsis from World Book 1958:
Fascism's parts:
1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation
of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, 5) militarism.


The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.

The nationalists subsidize the defense
industry with no-bid contracts, while fomenting conflict abroad.

Yes. But it's more than the nationalists.
It's any politician under the defense industry's thumb.
defense industry = defense industry's loby.
....Looks like this:

"...merger of State and corporate power."

" Fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and
corporate power."
--Benito Mussolini

A
revolving door is installed between the military and the defense
industry and retired generals become lobbyists, consultants, and BOD
directors.

Bingo. See above. - Mussolini
"corporate welfare" see above. - Mussolini

But this kind of corporate welfare and inbreeding permeates our entire
social structure.

Yup. see above. - Mussolini
See also:

Military Industrial Complex Eisenhower:
** "In the counsels of Government, we must guard
** against the acquisition of unwarranted influence,
** whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial
** Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
** misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must
** never let the weight of this combination endanger our
** liberties or democratic processes."
** - President Dwight Eisenhower, January 1961.

"...merger of State and corporate power."

"...ownership of government by an individual,
by a group or any controlling private powers."

Laws are written to ensure a growing need for prison
beds, now a largely for-profit enterprise. This is why pot will never
be legal; potheads meake great prisoners. They are non-violent and
good workers.

Yup. The merger of State and corporate power.

Our society is totally ****ed-up. I do hope it collapses completely, so
we can have a fresh start. Too bad we just can't identify more with the
Nazis; their lesson is a good one.


Synopsis from World Book 1958:
Fascism's parts:
1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation
of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, 5) militarism.

cultivation of ignorance?

Karl Rove answers:
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
-- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
--Karl Rove, February 19, 2001


"We stand for the maintenance of private
property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order."
Adolph Hitler


" Fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and
corporate power."
Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of
Italy


" The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the
people tolerate the growth of private power to the
point where it becomes stronger than the
democratic state itself. That in its essence is
fascism - ownership of government by an
individual, by a group or any controlling private
powers. "
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt - on the
threat to democracy by corporate power




Wisdom from 1938:

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people
tolerate the growth of private power to a point where
it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself.
That in it's essence is fascism: ownership of the
government by an individual, by a group or any
controlling private powers."
-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, message to congress,
proposing the "Standard Oil" Monopoly Investigation, 1938

* The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
* The rational change their world view to fit the facts.


- "Fascism should more properly be called
- corporatism, since it is the merger
- of state and corporate power."
-- - Benito Mussolini, father of fascism.

in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On 21 Jun 2009, Michael Coburn said
about:
Who Is "Fascist"?


On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:29:13 -0700, Chas. Chan wrote:

On Jun 18, 2:54Â*am, (Doug Bashford) wrote:

.................snip

I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
The Governement run the private sector.

Could be. But that's off topic.
That is a false, manufactured dichotomy.
....either a red herring or strawman,
I'm guessing from sloppy thinking due to
kneejerk grabbing at straws.

Can we stay on topic?


Read "The Road to Sefdom".

You seem to have answered your own question: Mussolini was a fascist.

Your ridiculous unsupported claims that Roosevelt was a "socialist" and
that "he recognized that fascism was the only means to true Socialism"
are your own demented creations.

Yep. See my above comment. ...Off topic.
However, I'm not up on the latest LP Libertarian
"talking points." The LP completly robs Libertarians
from the freedom to communicate with outsiders by
redefining key vocabulary terms (such as socialism,
taxes, government...google: Libertarian "Orwellian Linguistics")


http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...ch&sitesearch=


The reality is that socialism is a political manifestation in which the
government _OWNS_ the means of production. Fascism is ab-use of
government by the wealthy and powerful in league with the church to
maintain and enhance the power of the owner class. These two political
contrivances are entirely different.

Bingo. To further clarify, socialism is against Capitalism,
but Capitalism is part of Fascism.

** And above all Fascism denies that class-war can
** be the preponderant force in the transformation of
** society....
** --Benito Mussolini, (Fascist dictator), from The
** Internet Modern History Sourcebook

[[[[

"Fascism should more properly be called
corporatism, since it is the merger
of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

"We stand for the maintenance of private
property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order."
Adolph Hitler

"You don't need a totalitarian dictatorship like
Hitler's to get by with murder ... you can do it in a
democracy as long as the Congress and the people
Congress is supposed to represent don't give a
damn?"
William Shirer, author of
"The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", 1973



Wisdom from 1938:

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people
tolerate the growth of private power to a point where
it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself.
That in it's essence is fascism: ownership of the
government by an individual, by a group or any
controlling private powers."
-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, message to congress,
proposing the "Standard Oil" Monopoly Investigation, 1938

* The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
* The rational change their world view to fit the facts.


- "Fascism should more properly be called
- corporatism, since it is the merger
- of state and corporate power."
-- - Benito Mussolini, father of fascism.

B HO is fascist.

B HO has NEGATIVE approval index yet again.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=267451

Yet Again,,, Yet Again,,, Yet Again,,,,,,,,
cuhulin

STAY AWAY FROM ANY AND ALL V.A.MEDICAL CENTERS/HORSEPITALS!
DON'T GO THERE!
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=267424
cuhulin