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My Ionic Breeze thangy that I bought for five dollars at the Goodwill
store, it started making a scratching noise, like that mouse trying to
get out of that plastic Mouse Cube mouse trap I bought at the Wal Mart
Gestapo store.I cleaned the Ionic Breeze three metal bars thingy and I
used my electric blower and I blew the dust out of the Ionic Breeze.Then
I put the three bars thingy back in and I turned it on.It started making
that scratching noise again and I saw thin looking flames arching around
in there between the wires and the bars.I turned the damn thing off and
I unplugged it.That gadget is Dangerous!
cuhulin

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"John Higdon" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

in the scheme of things...hd radio is very inexpensive

Obviously, you have never done an HD conversion. It amounts to basically
building a new transmitter plant from scratch. And that's just the
transmitter end. Oh, and don't forget the ongoing iBiquity fees based
upon the station's gross revenues, with additional royalties on each
HD-X channel.

most stations hav echosen not to air any commericals...so as to be able
to
"sell it" to the public as commercial free.

Where does the revenue come from when it is "commercial free"?

Most have agreed to forgo advertising in order to highlight the HD as an
alternative, another choice.

Some have leased time to ethnic groups for cash, some have leased time to
infomercials, some to religious outlets.....for cash.

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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message
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On Oct 16, 2:12 pm, John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

in the scheme of things...hd radio is very inexpensive

Obviously, you have never done an HD conversion. It amounts to basically
building a new transmitter plant from scratch. And that's just the
transmitter end. Oh, and don't forget the ongoing iBiquity fees based
upon the station's gross revenues, with additional royalties on each
HD-X channel.

most stations hav echosen not to air any commericals...so as to be able
to
"sell it" to the public as commercial free.

Where does the revenue come from when it is "commercial free"?

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

"Upping HD Radio signal strengths"

"The short math given what we know today is that it will cost roughly


Wow...another cut/paste job by another HD nutcake.

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yet every time I try an HD-2 channel for a while it's just boring.

Well, that's a problem that's easily corrected...put better programming on.
;-)

Maybe some broadcaster ought to try to hook up with some of the better
webcasters. The programming is already there, and I wouldn't think they'd
charge too much to put it on the radio.

They have. Usually they are the webcasters as well.

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"John Higdon" wrote in message
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In article ,
SMS wrote:

D. Peter Maus wrote:

First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not
printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from
some pre-existing program source.

It's coming from
listeners that would otherwise be listening to their iPod, CDs, or
digital media (in the car or not in the car) because there's nothing on
analog AM or FM that they want to listen to. HD radio is much more
likely to be stealing customers from satellite radio than from analog FM.

If "killer programming" is going to be available on HD, why not put it
on analog FM now?

As someone who used to work in Classical radio, you realize that those
formats are dropping like flies.

Classical could find a nice home on HD-2 channels....and some NPR outlets
are doing news/talk on their HD1....and doing classical on their HD2.

The formats available on HD2 (and 3) are going to be niche programming.
Enough listeners to sustain it, but not enough to warrant an $70 million
dollar signal.

One of the biggest problems classical formats have had is balancing the
listeners who like choral & opera....with those who don't!

This one of the great uses of secondary streams. HD2 can be all choral &
opera.

COuntry formats that feature 90's and todays music...can put 60's/70's on
the decondary HD2 channel.

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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message
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On Oct 16, 5:05 pm, SMS wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote:
Reality paints a much different picture than the public perceives.

Your reality isn't reality at all.

First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not
printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from
some pre-existing program source.

Nope. According to the NAB chairman, Apple will be adding an HD FM tuner
to an upcoming iPod Nano. Microsoft has already added it to the Zune
(though that may only bring in one or two new listeners!). The
additional market is not coming just from listeners that would otherwise
be listening to analog FM on their car radios. It's coming from
listeners that would otherwise be listening to their iPod, CDs, or
digital media (in the car or not in the car) because there's nothing on
analog AM or FM that they want to listen to. HD radio is much more
likely to be stealing customers from satellite radio than from analog FM.

Any new programming outlet steals it's
listeners from the existing 100 share. So, literally, stations are
hoping to steal their own listeners to put them on the HD streams.

Not true at all.

What's that, you say? They stay in the family? Really? Well, while a
listener shift from the baseband channel to the HD2 stream DOES keep
that listener within the company, it takes that listener from the
programs of high advertising rates, and puts them on the programs of LOW
advertising rates.

Versus putting them on the programs of another station.

So, what HD is really doing is robbing the analog channels of it's
revenues while putting the ratings points on HD streams that can't begin
to replace the lost revenue from the baseband.

You're not looking at the big picture.

How the hell the bean counters at these stations let that go is beyond
me.

It's because they have more information than you have.

"Nope. According to the NAB chairman, Apple will be adding an HD FM
tuner
to an upcoming iPod Nano."

HD's Killer App Goes Poof!"

"You’ve probably heard that Apple’s new iPod Nano \

Another cut/paste by the HD nut.

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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message
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On Oct 16, 5:05?pm, SMS wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote:
? Reality paints a much different picture than the public perceives.

Your reality isn't reality at all.

? First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not
printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from
some pre-existing program source.

Nope. According to the NAB chairman, Apple will be adding an HD FM tuner
to an upcoming iPod Nano. Microsoft has already added it to the Zune
(though that may only bring in one or two new listeners!). The
additional market is not coming just from listeners that would otherwise
be listening to analog FM on their car radios. It's coming from
listeners that would otherwise be listening to their iPod, CDs, or
digital media (in the car or not in the car) because there's nothing on
analog AM or FM that they want to listen to. HD radio is much more
likely to be stealing customers from satellite radio than from analog FM.

Any new programming outlet steals it's
listeners from the existing 100 share. So, literally, stations are
hoping to steal their own listeners to put them on the HD streams.

Not true at all.

? What's that, you say? They stay in the family? Really? Well, while a
listener shift from the baseband channel to the HD2 stream DOES keep
that listener within the company, it takes that listener from the
programs of high advertising rates, and puts them on the programs of LOW
advertising rates.

Versus putting them on the programs of another station.

? So, what HD is really doing is robbing the analog channels of it's
revenues while putting the ratings points on HD streams that can't begin
to replace the lost revenue from the baseband.

You're not looking at the big picture.

? How the hell the bean counters at these stations let that go is beyond
me.

It's because they have more information than you have.

"HD radio is much more likely to be stealing customers from satellite
radio than from analog FM. "

"Tech Q? Whither HD Radio"

"New York Times technology columnist David

Another cut/paste by the HD nut.

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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message
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On Oct 16, 3:07 pm, John Higdon wrote:
In article ,

dave wrote:
There's no need for a separate tower. Depending on the linearity and
headroom of the transmitter plant you could conceivably get by with just
a new exciter and new monitor.

That's a misconception. All pre-IBOC analog transmitters are non-linear
by design for efficiency reasons. They cannot pass an IBOC digital
signal, which consists of multiple carriers. A specially-designed linear
transmitter must be used.

I can see from reading these threads that many people are under the
impression that IBOC is nothing more than some sort of subcarrier
superimposed on the main channel. Unless the station is using a combo
analog/IBOC transmitter, the outputs of both analog and IBOC transmitter
must be combined by a device that discards 90% of the IBOC signal and
10% of the analog signal. All of that stuff costs money, as does the
increased air conditioning requirement, and power (particularly that
which is burned off as heat). In many installations (and I've seen
dozens...I wonder how many of our pontificators have even seen one), the
IBOC and analog transmitter sit side by side...and they're about the
same physical size.

My point is, adding IBOC to a station is far more complex and costly
than putting some 4-unit device in the rack and hooking it up. A "new
exciter" doesn't do it.

Oh, and don't forget the studio, the new digital STL, monitoring
equipment, and the fact that HD equipment currently in the field is
notoriously unreliable. Fortunately, most stations don't care that much
because their three HD listeners don't phone in to complain.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

"Road-Testing the FMeXtra"

"In summary, FMeXtra is

http://www.rwonlidne.com/article/276

"FMeXtra: Another On-Channel Solution"

"Eventually DRE asked the NRSC to reactivate \\\


Another cut/paste by the HD nut.

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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message
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On Oct 16, 1:52?pm, "D. Peter Maus"
wrote:
On 10/16/09 12:08 , SMS wrote:

Dave Barnett wrote:
Is there some big up-front payment you have
to make to iBiquity, because the equipment certainly doesn't cost
anything close to $100K?

? ?Yeah, actually, it does. The digital system is virtually a
separate system, requiring separate transmitters and towers.

? ?Followed by the ongoing licensing fee to iBiquity for the right
to use the encoding algorithms, which are proprietary.

"I-Bust or H-Doomed"

"In these trying times, it should be


Another cut/paste by the HD nut.

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I am more up-to date than you could imagine.

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and
virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.

No, I'M much more up-to-date than YOU could ever imagine:

There are still people in this newsgroup that bemoan stereo.!!

Let's ask the 25,000 visitors that I have gotten from around the
world.

The visitors don't all agree with you. Most of them are bots.