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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
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On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
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Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....

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I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can
no
longer listen too due to HD radio.


I live sometimes in the San Francisco Bay Area and sometimes in Pioneer,
CA (in the Sierras) In my case the interference happened on these
frequencies:

107.5 KPIG - used to be receivable throughout the South Bay until 107.7 in
San Francisco turned on HD

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat...atus=L&hours=U

95.9 KRSH - we used to listen to them at home before 95.7 turned on HD,
generally too weak to hear in a car.

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat...atus=L&hours=U

91.5 KKUP - used to be receivable way up the peninsula and into Oakland
before 91.7 turned on HD

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat...atus=L&hours=U

89.5 KVMR - used to be receivable throughout Sacramento until 89.3 turned
on HD

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat...atus=L&hours=U


Most radio stations do not make any money from DX listeners. Stations are
not interested in servicing areas outside of their assigned license.

People listening in the metro area of a signals are going to be deprived so
a few people on the outskirts are able to pick up an out of town signal?

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On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.

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On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't
in mono. Also without any support.

I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper
recording calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit.
Neither do I. On a road trip, I may hear 15 radio stations a day. I
don't record the calls. And they may be 40 miles from where I'm
rolling at the time. The only reason I noticed the stations I
noticed is because the pilot wasn't lit. But I certainly didn't
spend any effort to find out who, or where, they were.

I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial.
See if you don't find a couple, yourself.

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone
asks you the following week.:)

For the curious--Receiver in use: Drake SW-8 under dash, with
Hirschmann active on roof. And yes, with full stereo audio into the
vehicle speaker system. Where available.

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out
of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every
week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

Do you dispute that there most stations are in stereo?

I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit.

Then do a little research.

I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

I don't know the last time I picked up a station that was in mono on FM
(unless it was a pirate.)

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone asks
you the following week.:)

If I DID hear one in mono...I'd certainly remember it.

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John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

Will they listen online when they are in the care? Or while they're joggin?

3G works for both.

And your N95 will have even less of a chance of being able to access the
AT&T W-CDMA network than it does now. Please don't encourage people to
use 3G bandwidth like that. Hopefully the wireless carriers will start
to limit usage on the iPhone and other 3G phones by switching to tiered
pricing.

I just bought an HD capable stereo from Crutchfield for one of my
vehicles (not because of the HD, the HD is standard on most new mobile
audio systems, but for the Bluetooth, iPod connectivity, and USB storage
devices support). I haven't installed it yet, but from what I've seen
there actually is some good content on the HD channels.

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John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

IBOC destroys coverage (of other stations) even more.

People don't complain as much as they just find other things to listen
to. Digital sidebands increase analog channel noise. That is a fact.
Now if they were to quit trying to do stereo in the analog channel, that
might work.

Analog is still the bread and butter of all stations. Crippling it for
the sake of promoting iBiquity's financial health is done at every
station's peril.


iBiquity just wants to make its system the digital radio standard so the
company has value when they sell it. As analog radio goes the way of
analog television they want to be like Qualcomm is with 3G. They aren't
making any money now.

There are revenue opportunities in HD for the broadcasters that go
beyond simple advertising spots. Stations that don't take advantage of
these opportunities aren't too bright.

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On 10/13/09 14:30 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out
of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every
week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

Do you dispute that there most stations are in stereo?


That was never in dispute.



I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit.

Then do a little research.

You'd be more likely to believe the results if you looked it
up than if I told you about them. But you're not likely to find
whether or not the pilot is lit in any of the databases. It's not
something that's listed.



I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

I don't know the last time I picked up a station that was in mono on FM
(unless it was a pirate.)

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone asks
you the following week.:)

If I DID hear one in mono...I'd certainly remember it.


I remember it, too. I just don't remember which station of
the 9 or so I heard in that region. Keep in mind you're talking
about a drive that was 700+ miles long, with stations 40 miles and
more from where I was at the moment. That's a band 700 miles long,
and at least 80 miles wide.

Lots of stations in there to look up.

But if you'd like the route, it was from Collinsville,
Oklahoma to Chicago, mostly on 44 in Missouri, and 55 in Illinois.

All of which may or may not be of interest beyond the academic.

The point is that there are still FM stations in mono, and
some of them are doing quite well.

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 14:30 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all
out
of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations
every
week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern
Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

Do you dispute that there most stations are in stereo?


That was never in dispute.



I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit.

Then do a little research.

You'd be more likely to believe the results if you looked it up than
if I told you about them. But you're not likely to find whether or not the
pilot is lit in any of the databases. It's not something that's listed.



I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

I don't know the last time I picked up a station that was in mono on FM
(unless it was a pirate.)

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone
asks
you the following week.:)

If I DID hear one in mono...I'd certainly remember it.


I remember it, too. I just don't remember which station of the 9 or
so I heard in that region. Keep in mind you're talking about a drive that
was 700+ miles long, with stations 40 miles and more from where I was at
the moment. That's a band 700 miles long, and at least 80 miles wide.

Lots of stations in there to look up.

But if you'd like the route, it was from Collinsville, Oklahoma to
Chicago, mostly on 44 in Missouri, and 55 in Illinois.

All of which may or may not be of interest beyond the academic.

The point is that there are still FM stations in mono, and some of
them are doing quite well.


Please name me a few!