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Dave Barnett October 15th 09 04:29 PM

IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
 
RHF wrote:
- - RHF wrote:
- - HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income
- - Stream for FM Radio Stations.

- Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel.
- Just name one.

John said "making a dime" - that means, revenue from the HD-2/3 channels
is 10 cents greater than the additional power bill, amortized costs of
upgrade, Ibiquity royalties, etc. Are you sure?

Oh - and...

SF-Bay Area {San Jose} - KEZR FM via HD-2


I don't know where that data came from, but 106.5 (KEZR) isn't
transmitting HD.

Dave B.

SMS October 15th 09 05:45 PM

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 
John Higdon wrote:
In article
,
RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.


Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one.

HD Radio has been around for seven years. Seven years! Where's the
revolution?

As I said, the public has spoken.


Not really. Few consumers were willing to pay extra for the HD equipment
but now HD radio is becoming more and more common as a standard
feature on factory audio systems and even on low-end after-market
systems. Once the installed base reaches critical mass then more
stations will add HD.

I just got a replacement receiver for my SUV. It has HD built in (as
well as iPod controls and Bluetooth built in) and there was no version
without HD available, and was very inexpensive. There are still many
receivers where HD is "optional" but more and more it's just being
thrown in as a standard feature because the added cost is trivial (and
because the equipment manufacturers are giving up on their original
model of requiring a relatively expensive add-on kit because almost no
one bought it because there was so little content available).

FM radio was around for more than 30 years before automobile
manufactures switched from AM radios to AM/FM radios as the standard
factory audio system (IIRC it was in the mid 1970's). It was actually
pretty good because with such a limited installed base there was a lot
less advertising on FM.

HD is the only digital radio system approved by the FCC. We'd be better
off with DAB which has no licensing fees, but HD was approved by the FCC
in 2002, during the dark years of GWB when the FCC was run as a business
designed to reward corporate broadcasters, wireless carriers, and
companies like iBiquity. The decision is unlikely to be reversed. Get
used to it.

It's as easy to hate iBiquity as it is to hate Qualcomm, but that won't
change things. You need to advise your customers to bring up HD as
quickly as possible so they're ready for revenue service when the
installed base reaches critical mass.

Jo Jo Gunn[_2_] October 15th 09 05:57 PM

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 

"John Higdon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dave Barnett wrote:

But I still can't see how it'll take off with
limited programming, compromised audio quality, and a myriad of
competing program delivery systems, all of which are much less costly
and far superior. It just doesn't make sense. The public today is
pretty well educated, and even my friends who are gadget freaks and
"first adopters" are not interested in HD Radio.


That last sentence contains the reason HD Radio will die: no consumer
interest.


The same thing could've been said for the beginings of FM. No consumer
interest.

However, as the programming content improved, people got more interested.

As the technology for transmitter/receiving FM got better, people got more
interested.



Jo Jo Gunn[_2_] October 15th 09 06:00 PM

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 

"John Higdon" wrote in message
...
In article
,
RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.


Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one.


CBS is running infomercials on some of their HD-3 streams....making not a
lot of money...but some.

There are HD-2's in NY that are leased to foreign language broadcasters.

Many small constituancy groups would lease an HD-2 channel if they could.

Most stations ahve chosen NOT to have comemrcials on their HD2 stream.

I know a local group that would raise funds to lease an HD2 channel so they
can put EWTN on it (This I don't understand!)

But there are people a few dimes off their HD2 channels.



Jo Jo Gunn[_2_] October 15th 09 06:01 PM

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/15/09 24:10 , Watchin & Waitin' wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/14/09 14:54 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

And those that were purists and held to that
belief....are all out of business.


Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo
stations every week when I'm on the road.



Did you notice that? You said ALL. Not most. Not virtually. You
said,
and quoting, he "ALL. That no Mono FMs have survived.

And that's not true.

Please go back and check the original post.



Sweetheart, that was a direct quote. Your words.


maus thinks he's arguing with telemon!

give it up maus...unless you want to list all the ownderful monaural
radio
stations that are out there + esp the prosporous ones!

LOL



Your eloquence is inspiring, to be sure.




We're still waiting for all those monaural FM stations that are proseprous.




Jo Jo Gunn[_2_] October 15th 09 06:02 PM

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/15/09 24:13 , Watchin & Waitin' wrote:

- A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are
extinguishing
- the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and it does
save a
- small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the fringes.



it appears maus and other spout out claims like the one above and cannot
name one fm sportts/talker that has exstinguished their stereo pilot.

people like maus like to throw out comments that they cant back up



Pot-Kettle-Black, Bubba.


Insanity, meet Maus.....Maus meet insanity.




D. Peter Maus October 15th 09 07:12 PM

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 
On 10/15/09 12:02 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/15/09 24:13 , Watchin& Waitin' wrote:

- A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are
extinguishing
- the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and it does
save a
- small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the fringes.



it appears maus and other spout out claims like the one above and cannot
name one fm sportts/talker that has exstinguished their stereo pilot.

people like maus like to throw out comments that they cant back up



Pot-Kettle-Black, Bubba.


Insanity, meet Maus.....Maus meet insanity.




You have no idea.



D. Peter Maus October 15th 09 07:15 PM

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 
On 10/15/09 12:01 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/15/09 24:10 , Watchin& Waitin' wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/14/09 14:54 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

And those that were purists and held to that
belief....are all out of business.


Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo
stations every week when I'm on the road.



Did you notice that? You said ALL. Not most. Not virtually. You
said,
and quoting, he "ALL. That no Mono FMs have survived.

And that's not true.

Please go back and check the original post.



Sweetheart, that was a direct quote. Your words.

maus thinks he's arguing with telemon!

give it up maus...unless you want to list all the ownderful monaural
radio
stations that are out there + esp the prosporous ones!

LOL



Your eloquence is inspiring, to be sure.




We're still waiting for all those monaural FM stations that are proseprous.



No need to wait. Drive the country. They'll become obvious.

Next time I've got a road shoot, I'll hit at least two.

You probably will, too.


Besides, it's a great country to see from the backroads.




Jo Jo Gunn[_2_] October 15th 09 07:33 PM

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/15/09 12:02 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/15/09 24:13 , Watchin& Waitin' wrote:

- A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are
extinguishing
- the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and it does
save a
- small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the fringes.



it appears maus and other spout out claims like the one above and
cannot
name one fm sportts/talker that has exstinguished their stereo pilot.

people like maus like to throw out comments that they cant back up



Pot-Kettle-Black, Bubba.


Insanity, meet Maus.....Maus meet insanity.




You have no idea.




We're getting a clue with every post of yours...




John Higdon[_2_] October 15th 09 08:16 PM

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 
In article ,
SMS wrote:

It's as easy to hate iBiquity as it is to hate Qualcomm, but that won't
change things. You need to advise your customers to bring up HD as
quickly as possible so they're ready for revenue service when the
installed base reaches critical mass.


They already know that there is currently NO benefit to spending six
figures per station to ruin the quality of their current signal. I
couldn't talk them into it now if I wanted to.

In the unlikely event that HD every reaches "critical mass", HD could be
implemented overnight (well, in a week anyway). Until then, why bother?
Let the big boys throw their money in the street now.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
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