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http://www.insideradio.com/Article.a...462&spid=32060

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Sports rights holders are keen on expanding their footprint with their own
dedicated media platform, an issue that's becoming more prevalent when
negotiating a new deal with broadcast partners. For the Dallas Cowboys and
the Pittsburgh Penguins, that has lead to their own branded 24/7 HD
channels.

KRLD-HD3 bowed in April, drawing from the Cowboys' massive programming vault
of coaches' interviews, pre-and post-game shows and classic games. After a
soft launch September 13, last year's Stanley Cup champions drop the puck on
Pittsburgh Penguins Radio Thursday at 105.9 HD2, side channel to Clear
Channel alternative WXDX. "The programming will be anything but
traditional," Penguins media director Mark Turley says. A six-hour block
of programming will air daily from 9 a.m.-3 p.m, consisting of "Daily
Players' Playlist," a "Penguins Live" talk show, Sirius XM's "NHL Live" and
an hour of Penguins and NHL content. The block will be repeated throughout
the day.

Turley says the Penguins hope to distribute local shows to their roughly
three-dozen affiliate stations and become a syndicator themselves. According
to the Sports Business Journal, the Penguins have signed a half-dozen
advertisers to the channel, including Geico and Qdoba.

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On Oct 5, 1:41�pm, "TelaturdWatch" wrote:
http://www.insideradio.com/Article.a...462&spid=32060

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Sports rights holders are keen on expanding their footprint with their own
dedicated media platform, an issue that's becoming more prevalent when
negotiating a new deal with broadcast partners. �For the Dallas Cowboys and
the Pittsburgh Penguins, that has lead to their own branded 24/7 HD
channels.

KRLD-HD3 bowed in April, drawing from the Cowboys' massive programming vault
of coaches' interviews, pre-and post-game shows and classic games. �After a
soft launch September 13, last year's Stanley Cup champions drop the puck on
Pittsburgh Penguins Radio Thursday at 105.9 HD2, side channel to Clear
Channel alternative WXDX. "The programming will be anything but
�traditional," Penguins media director Mark Turley says. �A six-hour block
of programming will air daily from 9 a.m.-3 p.m, consisting of "Daily
Players' Playlist," a "Penguins Live" talk show, Sirius XM's "NHL Live" and
an hour of Penguins and NHL content. �The block will be repeated throughout
the day.

Turley says the Penguins hope to distribute local shows to their roughly
three-dozen affiliate stations and become a syndicator themselves. According
to the Sports Business Journal, the Penguins have signed a half-dozen
advertisers to the channel, including Geico and Qdoba.

Waht a ****ing joke - folks will jsut listen online.

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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message
...
On Oct 5, 1:41?pm, "TelaturdWatch" wrote:
http://www.insideradio.com/Article.a...462&spid=32060

Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s.

Sports rights holders are keen on expanding their footprint with their own
dedicated media platform, an issue that's becoming more prevalent when
negotiating a new deal with broadcast partners. ?For the Dallas Cowboys
and
the Pittsburgh Penguins, that has lead to their own branded 24/7 HD
channels.

KRLD-HD3 bowed in April, drawing from the Cowboys' massive programming
vault
of coaches' interviews, pre-and post-game shows and classic games. ?After
a
soft launch September 13, last year's Stanley Cup champions drop the puck
on
Pittsburgh Penguins Radio Thursday at 105.9 HD2, side channel to Clear
Channel alternative WXDX. "The programming will be anything but
?traditional," Penguins media director Mark Turley says. ?A six-hour block
of programming will air daily from 9 a.m.-3 p.m, consisting of "Daily
Players' Playlist," a "Penguins Live" talk show, Sirius XM's "NHL Live"
and
an hour of Penguins and NHL content. ?The block will be repeated
throughout
the day.

Turley says the Penguins hope to distribute local shows to their roughly
three-dozen affiliate stations and become a syndicator themselves.
According
to the Sports Business Journal, the Penguins have signed a half-dozen
advertisers to the channel, including Geico and Qdoba.

Waht a ****ing joke - folks will jsut listen online.

Will they listen online when they are in the care? Or while they're joggin?

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In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

Will they listen online when they are in the care? Or while they're joggin?

3G works for both.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

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John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

Will they listen online when they are in the care? Or while they're joggin?

3G works for both.


3G costs $2 a day.

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"dave" wrote in message
...
John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

Will they listen online when they are in the care? Or while they're
joggin?

3G works for both.


3G costs $2 a day.

$60 a month! $730 a year!

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In article ,
dave wrote:

3G costs $2 a day.

You need to shop. My plan is much cheaper than that.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

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John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

3G costs $2 a day.

You need to shop. My plan is much cheaper than that.


I have "unlimited" (which is really 5 GB/month.)

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In article ,
dave wrote:

John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

3G costs $2 a day.

You need to shop. My plan is much cheaper than that.


I have "unlimited" (which is really 5 GB/month.)

So do I. I don't pay $60/month for it. I don't pay much more than that
for the entire phone bill, including taxes, fees, surcharges, etc., etc.

Did you know that carriers will bargain?

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

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On Oct 6, 12:49�pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

...

John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
�"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

Will they listen online when they are in the care? �Or while they're
joggin?

3G works for both.

3G costs $2 a day.

$60 a month! �$730 a year!

Nope - $20/month for Internet access

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HD Radio Farce wrote:
On Oct 6, 12:49�pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

...

John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
�"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:
Will they listen online when they are in the care? �Or while they're
joggin?
3G works for both.
3G costs $2 a day.
$60 a month! �$730 a year!

Nope - $20/month for Internet access

Wireless?

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"dave" wrote in message
...
HD Radio Farce wrote:
On Oct 6, 12:49?pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

...

John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
?"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:
Will they listen online when they are in the care? ?Or while they're
joggin?
3G works for both.
3G costs $2 a day.
$60 a month! ?$730 a year!

Nope - $20/month for Internet access

Wireless?

Mine's $34 a month for 2 GB of bandwidth, and as yet I've not used even 25%
of that, even with streaming audio. Since it's cell based, it works
anywhere in the country with very few drops, and those only when we're in a
moving vehicle at 130 KpH. It's a lot more reliable than our hardwire
internet connections..

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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message
...
On Oct 6, 12:49?pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

...

John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
?"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

Will they listen online when they are in the care? ?Or while they're
joggin?

3G works for both.

3G costs $2 a day.

$60 a month! ?$730 a year!

Nope - $20/month for Internet access

So, you're gonna listen to your cell phone in the car?

What about when you go thru areas with no cell-phone reception?

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On Oct 5, 4:29*pm, HD Radio Farce wrote:
On Oct 5, 1:41 pm, "TelaturdWatch" wrote:



http://www.insideradio.com/Article.a...462&spid=32060

Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s.

Sports rights holders are keen on expanding their footprint with their own
dedicated media platform, an issue that's becoming more prevalent when
negotiating a new deal with broadcast partners. For the Dallas Cowboys and
the Pittsburgh Penguins, that has lead to their own branded 24/7 HD
channels.

KRLD-HD3 bowed in April, drawing from the Cowboys' massive programming vault
of coaches' interviews, pre-and post-game shows and classic games. After a
soft launch September 13, last year's Stanley Cup champions drop the puck on
Pittsburgh Penguins Radio Thursday at 105.9 HD2, side channel to Clear
Channel alternative WXDX. "The programming will be anything but
traditional," Penguins media director Mark Turley says. A six-hour block
of programming will air daily from 9 a.m.-3 p.m, consisting of "Daily
Players' Playlist," a "Penguins Live" talk show, Sirius XM's "NHL Live" and
an hour of Penguins and NHL content. The block will be repeated throughout
the day.

Turley says the Penguins hope to distribute local shows to their roughly
three-dozen affiliate stations and become a syndicator themselves. According
to the Sports Business Journal, the Penguins have signed a half-dozen
advertisers to the channel, including Geico and Qdoba.

Waht a ****ing joke - folks will jsut listen online.

Free Over-the-Air Radio is 24/7 be it Analog
or [HD] Digital and NFL Team Branded HD-2
Radio broadcasts sell, Sell. SELL ! the the
NFL Team Fans {Fanatics} - go radio ~ RHF

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On Oct 6, 9:49*am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

...

John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
*"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

Will they listen online when they are in the care? *Or while they're
joggin?

- - -3G works for both.

- - 3G costs $2 a day.

- $60 a month! *$730 a year!

while . . . Free Over-the-Air Radio is FREE 24/7
and available just about anywhere be it Analog
or [HD] Digital - go free over-the-air radio ~ RHF

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In article
,
"~ RHF" wrote:

- $60 a month! *$730 a year!

while . . . Free Over-the-Air Radio is FREE 24/7
and available just about anywhere be it Analog
or [HD] Digital - go free over-the-air radio ~ RHF
.

I pay one third of that. In any event, I have it for other reasons.
Streaming audio is just a side benefit, so for me (and many others) it
is effectively free. It sounds better. There is a vastly better
selection of programming. Why would I care about HD?

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

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In article
,
"~ RHF" wrote:

As i have said before FM HD-2 Radio Broadcasts
are the only clear business reason for HD Radio
because it takes the same local FM Radio
'Franchise' {Radio License} and creates a
Second Income Stream from it at a low cost
multiple. ¢ ¢ ¢ $ $ $ ~ RHF
.

Where is the "income" if there are no spots? What advertiser would waste
a dime on the pathetically low penetration of all HD-2 combined?

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

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On Oct 7, 9:45*pm, John Higdon wrote:
In article
,
*"~ RHF" wrote:

As i have said before FM HD-2 Radio Broadcasts
are the only clear business reason for HD Radio
because it takes the same local FM Radio
'Franchise' {Radio License} and creates a
Second Income Stream from it at a low cost
multiple. ¢ ¢ ¢ $ $ $ ~ RHF
*.

- Where is the "income" if there are no spots? What advertiser would
waste
- a dime on the pathetically low penetration of all HD-2 combined?
-
- --
- John Higdon
- +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
- AT&T-Free At Last

NFL Team Branded HD-2 is a 24/7 InfoMercial
for every NFL Team in it's 'Local' Market Media
Area - b r i l l i a n t ! ~ RHF

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- $60 a month! $730 a year!

while . . . Free Over-the-Air Radio is FREE 24/7
and available just about anywhere be it Analog
or [HD] Digital - go free over-the-air radio ~ RHF
.

I pay one third of that. In any event, I have it for other reasons.
Streaming audio is just a side benefit, so for me (and many others) it
is effectively free. It sounds better. There is a vastly better
selection of programming. Why would I care about HD?

Convenience.

HD is just another option/choice.

Choices are a good thing.

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In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

HD is just another option/choice.

Choices are a good thing.

Not when they cause interference on the band and harm reception on other
stations.

I suggest you get up to speed on some of the tests that have been done
and are currently in progress.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

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"John Higdon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

HD is just another option/choice.

Choices are a good thing.

Not when they cause interference on the band and harm reception on other
stations.

I suggest you get up to speed on some of the tests that have been done
and are currently in progress.

I am more up-to date than you could imagine.

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and
virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.

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"dave" wrote in message
...
~ RHF wrote:
On Oct 7, 10:23 pm, John Higdon wrote:
In article
,
"~ RHF" wrote:

NFL Team Branded HD-2 is a 24/7 InfoMercial
for every NFL Team in it's 'Local' Market Media
Area - b r i l l i a n t ! ~ RHF

- Yawn.
-
- --
- John Higdon
- +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
- AT&T-Free At Last

D'Oh a Rabid NFL Fan {Fanatic} would say HOORAY !
while listening to the 24/7 "Team Spirit" HD-2 Radio
Station.
.

Have you ever tried to listen to HD-2 in a moving car?

Yes, every day. I enjoy it!

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On Oct 8, 10:33*am, John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
*"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

HD is just another option/choice.

Choices are a good thing.

Not when they cause interference on the band and harm reception on other
stations.

I suggest you get up to speed on some of the tests that have been done
and are currently in progress.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

FM HD-Radio and the HD-2 Channels are
about Expanding the FM Radio Business
and the minor technical issues are simply
the cost of doing more business. ~ RHF

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"John Higdon" wrote in message
...
In article
,
"~ RHF" wrote:

FM HD-Radio and the HD-2 Channels are
about Expanding the FM Radio Business
and the minor technical issues are simply
the cost of doing more business.

The broadcasters being interfered with don't consider such interference
a "minor technical issue".

Can you state a broadcaster that is being interfered with in their protected
contours?

Again, if this is so prevailent, why isn't there a pile of listeners
complaints at the FCC?

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"John Higdon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

HD is just another option/choice.

Choices are a good thing.
Not when they cause interference on the band and harm reception on other
stations.

I suggest you get up to speed on some of the tests that have been done
and are currently in progress.

I am more up-to date than you could imagine.

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and
virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

People don't complain as much as they just find other things to listen
to. Digital sidebands increase analog channel noise. That is a fact.
Now if they were to quit trying to do stereo in the analog channel, that
might work.

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

Station.
.
Have you ever tried to listen to HD-2 in a moving car?

Yes, every day. I enjoy it!



You must enjoy silence.

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~ RHF wrote:


FM HD-Radio and the HD-2 Channels are
about Expanding the FM Radio Business
and the minor technical issues are simply
the cost of doing more business. ~ RHF
.
**** the Radio Business. Bring back radio service.

Unlike you, Roy, we're not all a bunch of whores.

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:


Can you state a broadcaster that is being interfered with in their protected
contours?

Again, if this is so prevailent, why isn't there a pile of listeners
complaints at the FCC?

Protected Contours need to be rethought. Lots of people live in
suburbs, out of any protected contours. Are you saying they have no
right to listen to NPR, which they help finance?

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"dave" wrote in message
...
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"John Higdon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

HD is just another option/choice.

Choices are a good thing.
Not when they cause interference on the band and harm reception on other
stations.

I suggest you get up to speed on some of the tests that have been done
and are currently in progress.

I am more up-to date than you could imagine.

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.


Stereo multiplexing in and of itself does no damage to the coverage area.
Listening on a monaural receiver or in mono mode with a stereo receiver
gives the same coverage as a monaural transmitter would.

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"dave" wrote in message
...
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"John Higdon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

HD is just another option/choice.

Choices are a good thing.
Not when they cause interference on the band and harm reception on other
stations.

I suggest you get up to speed on some of the tests that have been done
and are currently in progress.

I am more up-to date than you could imagine.

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.

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"dave" wrote in message
.. .
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.


That doesn't change the physics.

Are we studying physics...or how to have a healthy prosperous industry.

I would dare to say, that those that held onto mono broadcasting on FM...are
not running prosperous stations now.

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"dave" wrote in message
...
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

Station.
.
Have you ever tried to listen to HD-2 in a moving car?

Yes, every day. I enjoy it!



You must enjoy silence.

i dont know about you...but i don't get silence on my hd car radio. sounds
great!

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On Oct 9, 2:38*pm, dave wrote:
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
m...
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.

Stereo destroys FM coverage. *Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.

That doesn't change the physics.

Dang Dave you are right : Physics is Physics :
People have Two Ears and generally prefer FM
"Stereo" Radio cause it sounds B E T T E R .

FM Stereo Radio
FM Stereo Headphone Radio {Walkman}
Stereo Cassette Player
Stereo CD Player
Stereo iPod Player
Yeah 'Stereo' Matches Up with Human Physics.

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
.. .
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.
And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.

That doesn't change the physics.

Are we studying physics...or how to have a healthy prosperous industry.

I would dare to say, that those that held onto mono broadcasting on FM...are
not running prosperous stations now.


I preferred radio when it was run by eccentric individuals. Stations
made enough money to pay the bills, and did much better radio. The
6/6/6 rule worked real well.

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~ RHF wrote:
On Oct 9, 2:38 pm, dave wrote:
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
...
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo
pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area.
Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.
And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.
That doesn't change the physics.

Dang Dave you are right : Physics is Physics :
People have Two Ears and generally prefer FM
"Stereo" Radio cause it sounds B E T T E R .

FM Stereo Radio
FM Stereo Headphone Radio {Walkman}
Stereo Cassette Player
Stereo CD Player
Stereo iPod Player
Yeah 'Stereo' Matches Up with Human Physics.
.


It sounds better on headphones if you are within 30 miles of the
transmitter maybe. Stereo reduces the S to N by 23 dB.

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every week when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and
virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour. Plus, to the
average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's
weak signal. Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just
move on to something else.

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be,
but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed. The audio quality is nothing to write
home about either. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. My wife & I
listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are
fewer choices on the dial.

Dave B.

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour.

No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal
would be protected.

That's the established standard. The days of clear-channels being protected
nationwide are over.

Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they
think it's weak signal. Nobody thinks to complain about interference.
They just move on to something else.

The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research.
There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no
indication that people "move onto something else".

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed.

THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid
60's. Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve
coverage, and mostly automated.

The audio quality is nothing to write home about either.

The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. And like the
qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's
"good enough" and the public isn't complaining.

But HD radio has caused us to adapt. My wife & I listen to web radio more
than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial.

I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no
longer listen too due to HD radio.


"Dave Barnett" wrote in message
...
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour. Plus, to the
average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's
weak signal. Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just
move on to something else.

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed. The audio quality is nothing to write home
about either. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. My wife & I listen to
web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices
on the dial.

Dave B.

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On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every week when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri
and southern Illinois.

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal
would be protected.

That's the established standard. The days of clear-channels being protected
nationwide are over.

No argument there. I'm just saying that stations have listeners outside
their protected contours. I volunteer at a local non-comm and we have
many subscribers who listen well outside our protected contour. Not
only do they listen, but they donate money. That surely says something.

I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no
longer listen too due to HD radio.


I live sometimes in the San Francisco Bay Area and sometimes in Pioneer,
CA (in the Sierras) In my case the interference happened on these
frequencies:

107.5 KPIG - used to be receivable throughout the South Bay until 107.7
in San Francisco turned on HD
95.9 KRSH - we used to listen to them at home before 95.7 turned on HD,
generally too weak to hear in a car.
91.5 KKUP - used to be receivable way up the peninsula and into Oakland
before 91.7 turned on HD
89.5 KVMR - used to be receivable throughout Sacramento until 89.3
turned on HD

KKUP and KVMR actually receive interference inside their protected
contours, and inside their city of license, due to terrain shielding and
power/HAAT discrepancy issues. Another instance where the FCC is
completely blind to the real world.

Interestingly enough, a few years ago I had a fence built and some
extensive landscaping done. The guys doing the work were complaining
that they couldn't get KPIG anymore no matter where they were on a job.
They were using a better-than-average boom box, but nothing special.
One of them was fiddling with the antenna and got a hint of the
station's audio, buried in digital carriers. He said - "nope, it
doesn't work here either" and they switched to the local classic rock
station. I knew why, but of course they had no idea. That's only an
example of one. Maybe the only one. But I find it interesting.

I firmly believe that this will shake out one way or the other. Either
with an expanded radio band, better digital accesss, ipv6 multicast, UDP
with forward error correction, etc. There are a lot of ways looming on
the horizon for creative people to be heard. Meanwhile, we do what we can.

Dave B.