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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
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On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....

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I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can
no
longer listen too due to HD radio.


I live sometimes in the San Francisco Bay Area and sometimes in Pioneer,
CA (in the Sierras) In my case the interference happened on these
frequencies:

107.5 KPIG - used to be receivable throughout the South Bay until 107.7 in
San Francisco turned on HD

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat...atus=L&hours=U

95.9 KRSH - we used to listen to them at home before 95.7 turned on HD,
generally too weak to hear in a car.

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat...atus=L&hours=U

91.5 KKUP - used to be receivable way up the peninsula and into Oakland
before 91.7 turned on HD

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat...atus=L&hours=U

89.5 KVMR - used to be receivable throughout Sacramento until 89.3 turned
on HD

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat...atus=L&hours=U


Most radio stations do not make any money from DX listeners. Stations are
not interested in servicing areas outside of their assigned license.

People listening in the metro area of a signals are going to be deprived so
a few people on the outskirts are able to pick up an out of town signal?

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On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.

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On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't
in mono. Also without any support.

I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper
recording calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit.
Neither do I. On a road trip, I may hear 15 radio stations a day. I
don't record the calls. And they may be 40 miles from where I'm
rolling at the time. The only reason I noticed the stations I
noticed is because the pilot wasn't lit. But I certainly didn't
spend any effort to find out who, or where, they were.

I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial.
See if you don't find a couple, yourself.

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone
asks you the following week.:)

For the curious--Receiver in use: Drake SW-8 under dash, with
Hirschmann active on roof. And yes, with full stereo audio into the
vehicle speaker system. Where available.

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out
of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every
week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

Do you dispute that there most stations are in stereo?

I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit.

Then do a little research.

I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

I don't know the last time I picked up a station that was in mono on FM
(unless it was a pirate.)

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone asks
you the following week.:)

If I DID hear one in mono...I'd certainly remember it.

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John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

Will they listen online when they are in the care? Or while they're joggin?

3G works for both.

And your N95 will have even less of a chance of being able to access the
AT&T W-CDMA network than it does now. Please don't encourage people to
use 3G bandwidth like that. Hopefully the wireless carriers will start
to limit usage on the iPhone and other 3G phones by switching to tiered
pricing.

I just bought an HD capable stereo from Crutchfield for one of my
vehicles (not because of the HD, the HD is standard on most new mobile
audio systems, but for the Bluetooth, iPod connectivity, and USB storage
devices support). I haven't installed it yet, but from what I've seen
there actually is some good content on the HD channels.

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John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
dave wrote:

Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

IBOC destroys coverage (of other stations) even more.

People don't complain as much as they just find other things to listen
to. Digital sidebands increase analog channel noise. That is a fact.
Now if they were to quit trying to do stereo in the analog channel, that
might work.

Analog is still the bread and butter of all stations. Crippling it for
the sake of promoting iBiquity's financial health is done at every
station's peril.


iBiquity just wants to make its system the digital radio standard so the
company has value when they sell it. As analog radio goes the way of
analog television they want to be like Qualcomm is with 3G. They aren't
making any money now.

There are revenue opportunities in HD for the broadcasters that go
beyond simple advertising spots. Stations that don't take advantage of
these opportunities aren't too bright.

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On 10/13/09 14:30 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out
of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every
week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

Do you dispute that there most stations are in stereo?


That was never in dispute.



I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit.

Then do a little research.

You'd be more likely to believe the results if you looked it
up than if I told you about them. But you're not likely to find
whether or not the pilot is lit in any of the databases. It's not
something that's listed.



I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

I don't know the last time I picked up a station that was in mono on FM
(unless it was a pirate.)

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone asks
you the following week.:)

If I DID hear one in mono...I'd certainly remember it.


I remember it, too. I just don't remember which station of
the 9 or so I heard in that region. Keep in mind you're talking
about a drive that was 700+ miles long, with stations 40 miles and
more from where I was at the moment. That's a band 700 miles long,
and at least 80 miles wide.

Lots of stations in there to look up.

But if you'd like the route, it was from Collinsville,
Oklahoma to Chicago, mostly on 44 in Missouri, and 55 in Illinois.

All of which may or may not be of interest beyond the academic.

The point is that there are still FM stations in mono, and
some of them are doing quite well.

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 14:30 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all
out
of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations
every
week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern
Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

Do you dispute that there most stations are in stereo?


That was never in dispute.



I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit.

Then do a little research.

You'd be more likely to believe the results if you looked it up than
if I told you about them. But you're not likely to find whether or not the
pilot is lit in any of the databases. It's not something that's listed.



I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

I don't know the last time I picked up a station that was in mono on FM
(unless it was a pirate.)

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone
asks
you the following week.:)

If I DID hear one in mono...I'd certainly remember it.


I remember it, too. I just don't remember which station of the 9 or
so I heard in that region. Keep in mind you're talking about a drive that
was 700+ miles long, with stations 40 miles and more from where I was at
the moment. That's a band 700 miles long, and at least 80 miles wide.

Lots of stations in there to look up.

But if you'd like the route, it was from Collinsville, Oklahoma to
Chicago, mostly on 44 in Missouri, and 55 in Illinois.

All of which may or may not be of interest beyond the academic.

The point is that there are still FM stations in mono, and some of
them are doing quite well.


Please name me a few!

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On 10/13/09 15:07 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 14:30 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...



Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all
out
of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations
every
week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern
Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

Do you dispute that there most stations are in stereo?


That was never in dispute.



I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit.

Then do a little research.

You'd be more likely to believe the results if you looked it up than
if I told you about them. But you're not likely to find whether or not the
pilot is lit in any of the databases. It's not something that's listed.



I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

I don't know the last time I picked up a station that was in mono on FM
(unless it was a pirate.)

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone
asks
you the following week.:)

If I DID hear one in mono...I'd certainly remember it.


I remember it, too. I just don't remember which station of the 9 or
so I heard in that region. Keep in mind you're talking about a drive that
was 700+ miles long, with stations 40 miles and more from where I was at
the moment. That's a band 700 miles long, and at least 80 miles wide.

Lots of stations in there to look up.

But if you'd like the route, it was from Collinsville, Oklahoma to
Chicago, mostly on 44 in Missouri, and 55 in Illinois.

All of which may or may not be of interest beyond the academic.

The point is that there are still FM stations in mono, and some of
them are doing quite well.


Please name me a few!


And we return to the beginning.

Enjoy the ride.

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"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:4ad5e8ed.2721187@chupacabra...
SMS wrote:
the HD is standard on most new mobile
audio systems,

When I hear some saying HD is dead and no one is buying it,
why would it be so ubiquitous in new gear?


It's really not. Many new car sound systems come "HD Ready". This has
always been a lie. Just like "HDTV Ready" was. All it means is you have a
connector in the back to plug a converter or tuner into, which costs a bunch
of extra money, and I don't know a single person outside of a couple in this
group that have ever bought one.

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Bob Dobbs wrote:
SMS wrote:
the HD is standard on most new mobile
audio systems,

When I hear some saying HD is dead and no one is buying it,
why would it be so ubiquitous in new gear?


Isn't Ford an ibiquity partner? Car radios are a dying phenomenon.
Kids hate them, because the programming sucks.

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Brenda Ann wrote:
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...

Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.
And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out
of
business.


Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every
week
when
I'm on the road.

Please name them and their location.



I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri
and
southern Illinois.
I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....


No different than your assertion, my man.

You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.


Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit. Neither do I. On a
road trip, I may hear 15 radio stations a day. I don't record the calls.
And they may be 40 miles from where I'm rolling at the time. The only
reason I noticed the stations I noticed is because the pilot wasn't lit.
But I certainly didn't spend any effort to find out who, or where, they
were.

I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone asks
you the following week.:)


A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are extinguishing
the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and it does save a
small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the fringes.


How would it save energy? FM just turns carrier into sidebands; the
current never changes.

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

(radiolocator links deleted to save a little bandwidth)

You actually proved my point. The blue area (while we all know that's
only predicted) is just about exactly where I used to receive the
signals on my stock 1996 Chevy pickup FM radio in the pre-HD days. KVMR
was a little better because their transmitter is so high off the valley
floor.

Most radio stations do not make any money from DX listeners. Stations are
not interested in servicing areas outside of their assigned license.

KPIG used to have ads for Streetlight Records in San Jose, as well as
some of the Stevens Creek car dealers. KVMR was very interested in
their ability to cover Sacramento. So much so that they had a
translator there for a while. While your statement is probably correct
for the conglomerates, there certainly are exceptions.

People listening in the metro area of a signals are going to be deprived so
a few people on the outskirts are able to pick up an out of town signal?

Given the penetration of HD receivers, you could also say "a few people
in the metro area of a signal are going to be deprived" so that other
people in the metro can pick up a weaker signal. I check the HD-2
broadcasts of our local channels probably twice a week just to see if
they decided to do anything interesting. Sometimes I hear silence,
sometimes the same song over & over, sometimes the PAD doesn't match the
program, and sometimes the errors go unnoticed for days. That probably
means nobody is listening.

There's no way of knowing for sure, but I suspect that the number of
listeners that KKUP lost in the Bay Area far exceeds the number of
people listening to KALW in HD. Likewise, the number of listeners that
KVMR lost in Sacramento probably exceeds the number of people listening
to KQEI in HD. Also - why is it that the interference area extends so
far beyond where an HD radio will lock? Is the system really that bad?

Dave B.

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"dave" wrote in message
...
A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are
extinguishing the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and
it does save a small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the
fringes.


How would it save energy? FM just turns carrier into sidebands; the
current never changes.

All equipment draws power, that includes the stereo multiplex generator. If
they can switch that off, they save a few dollars a month on electricity.

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"Brenda Ann" writes:

"dave" wrote in message
...
A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are
extinguishing the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and
it does save a small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the
fringes.


How would it save energy? FM just turns carrier into sidebands; the
current never changes.

All equipment draws power, that includes the stereo multiplex generator. If
they can switch that off, they save a few dollars a month on electricity.

Well .. .now we know we're dealing with Chuckie ... When faced with a
trivial technical error, rather than say "Oops, that's right, I wasn't
thinking clearly" we get some cock-and-bull story ... I would be willing
to bet a steak dinner that the energy cost difference between MPX and
non-MPX would be less than the cost of said-same steak dinner.

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"Dave Barnett" wrote in message
...
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

(radiolocator links deleted to save a little bandwidth)

You actually proved my point. The blue area (while we all know that's
only predicted) is just about exactly where I used to receive the signals
on my stock 1996 Chevy pickup FM radio in the pre-HD days. KVMR was a
little better because their transmitter is so high off the valley floor.

i think you made his point...that you are a fringe listener.

Most radio stations do not make any money from DX listeners. Stations
are not interested in servicing areas outside of their assigned license.

KPIG used to have ads for Streetlight Records in San Jose, as well as some
of the Stevens Creek car dealers. KVMR was very interested in their
ability to cover Sacramento. So much so that they had a translator there
for a while. While your statement is probably correct for the
conglomerates, there certainly are exceptions.

having one record store or a car dealer advertising is not an indicator that
much money was pulled from that area. it could have been part of a multi
station buy, rep firm, or a dealer looking to take advantage of a hole in
the market.

People listening in the metro area of a signals are going to be deprived
so a few people on the outskirts are able to pick up an out of town
signal?

Given the penetration of HD receivers, you could also say "a few people in
the metro area of a signal are going to be deprived" so that other people
in the metro can pick up a weaker signal. I check the HD-2 broadcasts of
our local channels probably twice a week just to see if they decided to do
anything interesting. Sometimes I hear silence, sometimes the same song
over & over, sometimes the PAD doesn't match the program, and sometimes
the errors go unnoticed for days. That probably means nobody is
listening.

like jo jo said....like FM in the early days. I remember hearing automation
fail on the early FM's...and i was always interested in how long it would be
before someone at the station noticed. multiple sources audio dead air
an element repeating over and over.

doesnt mean no one was listening.

;-)


There's no way of knowing for sure, but I suspect that the number of
listeners that KKUP lost in the Bay Area far exceeds the number of people
listening to KALW in HD. Likewise, the number of listeners that KVMR lost
in Sacramento probably exceeds the number of people listening to KQEI in
HD.

thats right...you'll never know...so you can only speculate. however, the
people with the money at risk, the investors and mangers who see the
research have a better understanding of where the listeners are and wherre
the money is. i trust their understanding of this is better than yours

Also - why is it that the interference area extends so far beyond where an
HD radio will lock? Is the system really that bad?

dx-ers have to put up with all sorts of stuff....it's the nature of the
game. stations dont care about dx-ers.....fcc doesn't care about
dxers....it's table scraps u take what you can get

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
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On 10/13/09 15:07 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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On 10/13/09 14:30 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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"D. Peter wrote in message
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"D. Peter wrote in
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Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all
out
of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations
every
week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to
catalog
them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern
Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in
mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't
in
mono. Also without any support.

Do you dispute that there most stations are in stereo?


That was never in dispute.



I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper
recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit.

Then do a little research.

You'd be more likely to believe the results if you looked it up
than
if I told you about them. But you're not likely to find whether or not
the
pilot is lit in any of the databases. It's not something that's listed.



I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See
if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

I don't know the last time I picked up a station that was in mono on FM
(unless it was a pirate.)

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone
asks
you the following week.:)

If I DID hear one in mono...I'd certainly remember it.


I remember it, too. I just don't remember which station of the 9
or
so I heard in that region. Keep in mind you're talking about a drive
that
was 700+ miles long, with stations 40 miles and more from where I was at
the moment. That's a band 700 miles long, and at least 80 miles wide.

Lots of stations in there to look up.

But if you'd like the route, it was from Collinsville, Oklahoma
to
Chicago, mostly on 44 in Missouri, and 55 in Illinois.

All of which may or may not be of interest beyond the academic.

The point is that there are still FM stations in mono, and some
of
them are doing quite well.


Please name me a few!


And we return to the beginning.

Enjoy the ride.


you keep making statements that u cant back up maus.

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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
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On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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"D. Peter wrote in message
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Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out
of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every
week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit. Neither do I. On a
road trip, I may hear 15 radio stations a day. I don't record the calls.
And they may be 40 miles from where I'm rolling at the time. The only
reason I noticed the stations I noticed is because the pilot wasn't lit.
But I certainly didn't spend any effort to find out who, or where, they
were.

I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone asks
you the following week.:)


A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are extinguishing
the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and it does save a
small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the fringes.

once again, as jo jo asked....can you name one that has extinguished their
stereo pilot?

i think a lot of people use the stereo light for tuning so it might hurt
listenership even if its not needed.

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On 10/14/09 24:33 , Watchin & Waitin' wrote:
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"D. Peter wrote in message
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On 10/13/09 14:30 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in
message
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Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all
out
of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations
every
week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to
catalog
them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern
Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in
mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't
in
mono. Also without any support.

Do you dispute that there most stations are in stereo?


That was never in dispute.



I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper
recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit.

Then do a little research.

You'd be more likely to believe the results if you looked it up
than
if I told you about them. But you're not likely to find whether or not
the
pilot is lit in any of the databases. It's not something that's listed.



I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See
if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

I don't know the last time I picked up a station that was in mono on FM
(unless it was a pirate.)

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone
asks
you the following week.:)

If I DID hear one in mono...I'd certainly remember it.


I remember it, too. I just don't remember which station of the 9
or
so I heard in that region. Keep in mind you're talking about a drive
that
was 700+ miles long, with stations 40 miles and more from where I was at
the moment. That's a band 700 miles long, and at least 80 miles wide.

Lots of stations in there to look up.

But if you'd like the route, it was from Collinsville, Oklahoma
to
Chicago, mostly on 44 in Missouri, and 55 in Illinois.

All of which may or may not be of interest beyond the academic.

The point is that there are still FM stations in mono, and some
of
them are doing quite well.


Please name me a few!


And we return to the beginning.

Enjoy the ride.


you keep making statements that u cant back up maus.



Pot-Kettle-Black.

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On 10/14/09 24:33 , Watchin & Waitin' wrote:
"Brenda wrote in message
...

"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
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Stereo destroys FM coverage. Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out
of
business.



Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every
week
when
I'm on the road.


Please name them and their location.




I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....



No different than your assertion, my man.


You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.



Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit. Neither do I. On a
road trip, I may hear 15 radio stations a day. I don't record the calls.
And they may be 40 miles from where I'm rolling at the time. The only
reason I noticed the stations I noticed is because the pilot wasn't lit.
But I certainly didn't spend any effort to find out who, or where, they
were.

I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone asks
you the following week.:)


A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are extinguishing
the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and it does save a
small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the fringes.

once again, as jo jo asked....can you name one that has extinguished their
stereo pilot?

i think a lot of people use the stereo light for tuning so it might hurt
listenership even if its not needed.


That used to be true. FM Mono Mute was commonplace in home
receivers. Until better designs permitted lower noise stereo
listening. Keep in mind that many stations killed the pilot during
mono programming. Some NPR stations still do. WBEZ, Chicago still
does this. So does WFMT. Though mono programming is rare, today.
Today, selectable FM stereo itself is comparatively rare in low and
midlevel receiver design, with most FM capable receivers simply
hardwired to stereo, allowing the 'Blend' circuit to handle low
signal noise avoidance by progressively combining the two channels
as a function of signal strength, until eventually deep fringe
reception is in mono. So FM Mono Mute is no longer a useful
function, and like selectable stereo, is not included in many
receiver designs. In fact, many car radios no longer even include a
stereo pilot indicator. GM Car radios haven't included a stereo
pilot indicator for a number of years, now, or even a selectable
Mono function. The blend circuit, instead, reduced stereo separation
to control low signal noise, so there is no loss of reception during
mono broadcasting. I've got two Walkman portables that do not have a
stereo indicator, nor selectable mono reception, relying on a blend
circuit for FM noise control.

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On Oct 13, 7:17*am, Dave Barnett
wrote:
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal
would be protected.

That's the established standard. *The days of clear-channels being protected
nationwide are over.

No argument there. *I'm just saying that stations have listeners outside
their protected contours. *I volunteer at a local non-comm and we have
many subscribers who listen well outside our protected contour. *Not
only do they listen, but they donate money. *That surely says something..

I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no
longer listen too due to HD radio.

I live sometimes in the San Francisco Bay Area and sometimes in Pioneer,
CA (in the Sierras) In my case the interference happened on these
frequencies:

107.5 KPIG - used to be receivable throughout the South Bay until 107.7
in San Francisco turned on HD
95.9 KRSH - we used to listen to them at home before 95.7 turned on HD,
generally too weak to hear in a car.
91.5 KKUP - used to be receivable way up the peninsula and into Oakland
before 91.7 turned on HD
89.5 KVMR - used to be receivable throughout Sacramento until 89.3
turned on HD

KKUP and KVMR actually receive interference inside their protected
contours, and inside their city of license, due to terrain shielding and
power/HAAT discrepancy issues.

- *Another instance where the FCC is
- completely blind to the real world.

Reality Check on the Real World of Commercial Radio :
The FCC's Public Duty {Obligation} is to Manage the
Public Air-Waves to 'enable' Local Advertising {Business
-aka- Tax Revenue} in the Local Media Market Area :
Creating the Added Benefit of providing News, Information
and Entertainment to the Local Community.
-translation- Advertising Pays the Way to provide
the Public Benefit of Free Over-the-Air Radio.
-ps- The FCC Knows That as every US Congressperson
reminds them of Promoting Business in their Districts.


Interestingly enough, a few years ago I had a fence built and some
extensive landscaping done. *The guys doing the work were complaining
that they couldn't get KPIG anymore no matter where they were on a job.
* They were using a better-than-average boom box, but nothing special.
One of them was fiddling with the antenna and got a hint of the
station's audio, buried in digital carriers. *He said - "nope, it
doesn't work here either" and they switched to the local classic rock
station. *I knew why, but of course they had no idea. *That's only an
example of one. *Maybe the only one. *But I find it interesting.

I firmly believe that this will shake out one way or the other. *Either
with an expanded radio band, better digital accesss, ipv6 multicast, UDP
with forward error correction, etc. *There are a lot of ways looming on
the horizon for creative people to be heard. *Meanwhile, we do what we can.

Dave B.

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On Oct 13, 3:03*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in ...



On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter *wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter * wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter * *wrote in message
...

Stereo destroys FM coverage. *Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out
of
business.

* * *Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every
week
when
I'm on the road.

Please name them and their location.

* * I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

* * The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....

* *No different than your assertion, my man.

You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono...I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.

* Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

* I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit. Neither do I. On a
road trip, I may hear 15 radio stations a day. I don't record the calls..
And they may be 40 miles from where I'm rolling at the time. The only
reason I noticed the stations I noticed is because the pilot wasn't lit..
But I certainly didn't spend any effort to find out who, or where, they
were.

* I might suggest this: The next time you travel, scan the dial. See if
you don't find a couple, yourself.

* And then see if you can recall the name and location when someone asks
you the following week.:)

- A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are
extinguishing
- the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and it does
save a
- small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the fringes.

1 - Know Your Product {Technology}

2 - Know Your Customers {Buyers}

Use #1 to Get More of #2
that's better business ~ RHF

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On Oct 13, 3:39*pm, dave wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter *wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter * wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter * *wrote in message
...

Stereo destroys FM coverage. *Those engineers were right.
And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out
of
business.

* * *Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every
week
when
I'm on the road.

Please name them and their location.

* * I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

* * The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri
and
southern Illinois.
I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....

* *No different than your assertion, my man.

You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono....I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.

* Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

* I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit. Neither do I. On a
road trip, I may hear 15 radio stations a day. I don't record the calls.
And they may be 40 miles from where I'm rolling at the time. The only
reason I noticed the stations I noticed is because the pilot wasn't lit.

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~ RHF wrote:

Reality Check on the Real World of Commercial Radio :
The FCC's Public Duty {Obligation} is to Manage the
Public Air-Waves to 'enable' Local Advertising {Business
-aka- Tax Revenue} in the Local Media Market Area :
Creating the Added Benefit of providing News, Information
and Entertainment to the Local Community.
-translation- Advertising Pays the Way to provide
the Public Benefit of Free Over-the-Air Radio.
-ps- The FCC Knows That as every US Congressperson
reminds them of Promoting Business in their Districts.

You can't do real news without stepping on sponsors' feet sometimes. A
so-called All News station that relies on advertising is a fraud. They
just advance the corporate goals and **** everyone else.

Broadcast licenses are issued in the public interest, convenience and
necessity.

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~ RHF wrote:

Use #1 to Get More of #2
that's better business ~ RHF
.

There's an overabundance of #2 on the airwaves today.

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On Oct 13, 10:33*pm, "Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

...





"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 13:52 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter *wrote in message
...
On 10/13/09 12:47 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter * wrote in message
...
On 10/12/09 14:59 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter * *wrote in message
...

Stereo destroys FM coverage. *Those engineers were right.

And those that were purists and held to that belief....are all out
of
business.

* * *Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo stations every
week
when
I'm on the road.

Please name them and their location.

* * I hear them when I'm on the road. I don't have time to catalog
them.

* * The last two I heard this past week were in southeastern Missouri
and
southern Illinois.

I don't know Peter...it sounds more anecdotal than anything....

* *No different than your assertion, my man.

You made a generalization about how many stations are still in mono....I
asked you to back up that statement...and you couldn't.

* Just as you made a generalization about how many stations weren't in
mono. Also without any support.

* I'm sure you don't drive the backroads with a pad and paper recording
calls, city of license, and whether the pilot is lit. Neither do I. On a
road trip, I may hear 15 radio stations a day. I don't record the calls.
And they may be 40 miles from where I'm rolling at the time. The only
reason I noticed the stations I noticed is because the pilot wasn't lit.

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On Oct 14, 6:44*am, dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote:

Reality Check on the Real World of Commercial Radio :
The FCC's Public Duty {Obligation} is to Manage the
Public Air-Waves to 'enable' Local Advertising {Business
-aka- Tax Revenue} in the Local Media Market Area :
Creating the Added Benefit of providing News, Information
and Entertainment to the Local Community.
-translation- Advertising Pays the Way to provide
the Public Benefit of Free Over-the-Air Radio.
-ps- The FCC Knows That as every US Congressperson
reminds them of Promoting Business in their Districts.

You can't do real news without stepping on sponsors' feet sometimes. *A
so-called All News station that relies on advertising is a fraud. *They
just advance the corporate goals and **** everyone else.

- Broadcast licenses are issued in the public interest,
- convenience and necessity.

Dave the FCC and your 'local' US Congressperson
define "The Public Interest" as a Strong Local
Economy aided by a Local Media Market with a
diversity of Advertisers resulting in Enhanced Tax
Revenues to all levels of Government.

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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

Yes, and WLW isn't 500KW's anymore. Life goes on. ANd the clear-channels
don't have the entire frequency to themselves nationwide anymore.

Duh. I'm talking about something much stronger, more local, and more
reliable than skywave.

The answer is that with DX-ing, since the broadcasters don't care about it,
and the FCC doesn't care about it...it's table scraps.

What does DXing have to do with the design of an HD receiver? Please
re-read the post that you responded to.

I have another example too - the 98.9 and 99.1 pair here in the Bay
Area. Each one interferes with the other, and by your definition I live
in the "fringe" area of one, and barely within the coverage area of
another. Both run HD, neither one locks reliably, and neither one
provides static-free reception driving around. In the pre-HD days both
of them provided perfect reception. This is a bit unique, because these
two are simulcasted. They're killing themselves. But I strongly
suspect that the coverage map being used by the salespeople at KSOL/KSQL
doesn't exclude the zone of poor reception in between the 2
transmitters. They do quite well in the ratings, but I bet some
non-technical beancounter is wondering why their shares in Fremont and
Mountain View are so low.

I can appreciate the fact that people have poured lots of money into HD
radio and they're desperate to protect their investment, hence all of
the upstart attempts to convince the public to make the switch - like
"team branded HD2's". But I still can't see how it'll take off with
limited programming, compromised audio quality, and a myriad of
competing program delivery systems, all of which are much less costly
and far superior. It just doesn't make sense. The public today is
pretty well educated, and even my friends who are gadget freaks and
"first adopters" are not interested in HD Radio. Meanwhile, the noise
in the existing radio bands drives listeners like me - people who really
enjoy radio - to the web. I'm just hopeful this whole thing shakes out
soon.

Dave B.

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In article ,
Dave Barnett wrote:

But I still can't see how it'll take off with
limited programming, compromised audio quality, and a myriad of
competing program delivery systems, all of which are much less costly
and far superior. It just doesn't make sense. The public today is
pretty well educated, and even my friends who are gadget freaks and
"first adopters" are not interested in HD Radio.

That last sentence contains the reason HD Radio will die: no consumer
interest. The industry can engage in all the masturbatory exercises it
likes, but if the public is not interested, that's the end of the story.
The public is not interested. The big push several years ago was to
"educate the public" about HD Radio. Well, the public is not only
educated now, but has post-graduate degrees. The public is willfully
ignoring HD Radio.

Meanwhile, the noise
in the existing radio bands drives listeners like me - people who really
enjoy radio - to the web. I'm just hopeful this whole thing shakes out
soon.

That is the concern. HD Radio is done. There is no question about that
from anyone who is awake. Eventually, its enthusiasts will figure it
out. But by then, the damage to the core may be irreversible.

Even Radio World, the biggest shill HD Radio ever had is now saying to
broadcasters, "Don't expect HD Radio to bail you out."

Such insight!

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/14/09 14:54 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

And those that were purists and held to that
belief....are all out of business.


Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo
stations every week when I'm on the road.



Did you notice that? You said ALL. Not most. Not virtually. You said,
and quoting, he "ALL. That no Mono FMs have survived.

And that's not true.

Please go back and check the original post.



Sweetheart, that was a direct quote. Your words.

maus thinks he's arguing with telemon!

give it up maus...unless you want to list all the ownderful monaural radio
stations that are out there + esp the prosporous ones!

LOL

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- A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are
extinguishing
- the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and it does
save a
- small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the fringes.



it appears maus and other spout out claims like the one above and cannot
name one fm sportts/talker that has exstinguished their stereo pilot.

people like maus like to throw out comments that they cant back up

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On Oct 14, 7:29*pm, John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
*Dave Barnett wrote:

But I still can't see how it'll take off with
limited programming, compromised audio quality, and a myriad of
competing program delivery systems, all of which are much less costly
and far superior. *It just doesn't make sense. *The public today is
pretty well educated, and even my friends who are gadget freaks and
"first adopters" are not interested in HD Radio.

- That last sentence contains the reason
- HD Radio will die: no consumer interest.

Why FM HD-Radio will become a Consumer Reality :

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

it's 'commercial' radio so follow the money ~ RHF

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On Oct 14, 8:12*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
John Higdon wrote:

The public is not interested. The big push several years ago was to
"educate the public" about HD Radio. Well, the public is not only
educated now, but has post-graduate degrees. The public is willfully
ignoring HD Radio.

Maybe they're waiting for the prices to drop,
that's what got me to buy one, and now that I have it,
for the most part I like it. If HD goes away I'll still have a nice
table radio that can be controlled with a remote.
As much couldn't be said about the AM stereo RCVR
I had back in the day, and have long since gotten rid of.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

More likely an FM HD-Radio HD-2 Channel that
the Radio Listening Public WANTS to Listen-To
will be a Driving Force for most Audio Consumers
who 'chose' FM HD-Radio as one of their Audio
Produces.
http://www.hdradio.com/press_room.php?newscontent=44

The NFL Team Radio Channel is a Listener
Focused HD-2 FM Radio Audio Product that
should expand the Public Awareness of FM
HD-Radio in 32 Major Media Markets across
the USA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL
? Can MLB be far behind ?
? What about a World Soccer HD-2 Channel ?

Add this specialized HD-2 FM Radio Channels :
http://www.hdradioalliance.com/hd2hd3_channel_examples
* HumDesi : South Asian Radio {WorldBand Media}
http://www.hdradioalliance.com/content_providers
* Mormon Channel LDS Church
http://www.hdradioalliance.com/promo...local_audience
* "Pride" Radio [LGBT]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_Radio_%28HD%29

Unique HD-2 Channel FM Radio Programming
{Content} which Targets a Market Segment will
SELL {Compel} FM HD-Radio to those Audio
{Radio} Consumers.
http://www.edisonresearch.com/home/a...itive_plan.php

? Will there soon be an Al Jazeera HD-2 Channel
on an FM Radio Station in every Metro Area in
the USA ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_English
In both Arabic and English with the Call-to-Prayer
Five Times a Day ?

CPB, PBS & NPR are very 'into' HD-Radio and
making use of the HD-2 Channels.
http://www.npr.org/everywhere/digital/howto.html

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In article
,
RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one.

HD Radio has been around for seven years. Seven years! Where's the
revolution?

As I said, the public has spoken.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

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~ RHF wrote:


D'Oh ! Dave "Local Communities" do not apply
for Commercial Radio Station Licenses :
Individuals and Corporations do.
.

You're about to get a wakeup call.

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RHF wrote:


Why FM HD-Radio will become a Consumer Reality :

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

They need a primary revenue stream first! Radio cannot sustain
shareholders. Radio stations should provide jobs for a few,
entertainment and information for a few more. it should not be run as a
profit center for a giant bozo corporation.

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More likely an FM HD-Radio HD-2 Channel that
the Radio Listening Public WANTS to Listen-To
will be a Driving Force for most Audio Consumers
who 'chose' FM HD-Radio as one of their Audio
Produces.

Why bother?

Here are 30,000+ radio streams. All free for the taking. Many
non-commercial:

http://classic.shoutcast.com/

Here are some mo

http://dir.xiph.org/index.php

Except for cars and job sites broadcast radio is dead.

IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
 

RHF wrote:
On Oct 15, 2:14 am, John Higdon wrote:
In article
,

- - RHF wrote:
- - HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income
- - Stream for FM Radio Stations.

- Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel.
- Just name one.

HumDesi : South Asian Radio {WorldBand Media}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HumDesi
New York Metro - WRKS FM via HD-2
Los Angeles Metro - KPWR FM via HD-3
Chicago Metro - WLUP FM via HD-3
SF-Bay Area {San Jose} - KEZR FM via HD-2
Washington DC Metro - WTOP FM via HD-2

Oops - That's More Than One and Someone
must be Paying these FM HD-Radio Stations
to run this HD-2/3 Programming.

-ps- hope these fm stations are making more
than a 'dime' for the air-time ;;--}} ~ RHF

-that-something-extra-
Dallas Cowboys Radio -via- The Fan [KRLD-FM]
with HD-2 and HD-3 Sports Channels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRLD-FM
.

- HD Radio has been around for seven years.
- Seven years!
- Where's the revolution?

Mostly Radio has been evolutionary in both
Programming and Technology.

- As I said, the public has spoken.

You Said What ? and who is listening . . .

Around 2015 the American Public will have "Spoken"
as to whether Radio Listeners have Adapted to FM
HD-Radio and it's HD-2 Channels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio
+ 1 Couple with the Fact that the FCC is United
behind the move to FM HD-Radio = Tax $$$
+ 2 Couple with the Fact that the Broadcast
Industry {Corporate Media} is also United
behind the move to FM HD-Radio = Income $$$

- --
- John Higdon
- +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
- AT&T-Free At Last

jh - remember it's 'radio' so just listen and enjoy ~ RHF
.

I've made a lot of money selling SCAs to ethnic groups. Great
penetration in Circle K markets.