IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
 

RHF wrote:
- - RHF wrote:
- - HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income
- - Stream for FM Radio Stations.

- Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel.
- Just name one.

John said "making a dime" - that means, revenue from the HD-2/3 channels
is 10 cents greater than the additional power bill, amortized costs of
upgrade, Ibiquity royalties, etc. Are you sure?

Oh - and...

SF-Bay Area {San Jose} - KEZR FM via HD-2

I don't know where that data came from, but 106.5 (KEZR) isn't
transmitting HD.

Dave B.

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John Higdon wrote:
In article
,
RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one.

HD Radio has been around for seven years. Seven years! Where's the
revolution?

As I said, the public has spoken.

Not really. Few consumers were willing to pay extra for the HD equipment
but now HD radio is becoming more and more common as a standard
feature on factory audio systems and even on low-end after-market
systems. Once the installed base reaches critical mass then more
stations will add HD.

I just got a replacement receiver for my SUV. It has HD built in (as
well as iPod controls and Bluetooth built in) and there was no version
without HD available, and was very inexpensive. There are still many
receivers where HD is "optional" but more and more it's just being
thrown in as a standard feature because the added cost is trivial (and
because the equipment manufacturers are giving up on their original
model of requiring a relatively expensive add-on kit because almost no
one bought it because there was so little content available).

FM radio was around for more than 30 years before automobile
manufactures switched from AM radios to AM/FM radios as the standard
factory audio system (IIRC it was in the mid 1970's). It was actually
pretty good because with such a limited installed base there was a lot
less advertising on FM.

HD is the only digital radio system approved by the FCC. We'd be better
off with DAB which has no licensing fees, but HD was approved by the FCC
in 2002, during the dark years of GWB when the FCC was run as a business
designed to reward corporate broadcasters, wireless carriers, and
companies like iBiquity. The decision is unlikely to be reversed. Get
used to it.

It's as easy to hate iBiquity as it is to hate Qualcomm, but that won't
change things. You need to advise your customers to bring up HD as
quickly as possible so they're ready for revenue service when the
installed base reaches critical mass.

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"John Higdon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dave Barnett wrote:

But I still can't see how it'll take off with
limited programming, compromised audio quality, and a myriad of
competing program delivery systems, all of which are much less costly
and far superior. It just doesn't make sense. The public today is
pretty well educated, and even my friends who are gadget freaks and
"first adopters" are not interested in HD Radio.

That last sentence contains the reason HD Radio will die: no consumer
interest.

The same thing could've been said for the beginings of FM. No consumer
interest.

However, as the programming content improved, people got more interested.

As the technology for transmitter/receiving FM got better, people got more
interested.

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"John Higdon" wrote in message
...
In article
,
RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one.

CBS is running infomercials on some of their HD-3 streams....making not a
lot of money...but some.

There are HD-2's in NY that are leased to foreign language broadcasters.

Many small constituancy groups would lease an HD-2 channel if they could.

Most stations ahve chosen NOT to have comemrcials on their HD2 stream.

I know a local group that would raise funds to lease an HD2 channel so they
can put EWTN on it (This I don't understand!)

But there are people a few dimes off their HD2 channels.

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/15/09 24:10 , Watchin & Waitin' wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/14/09 14:54 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

And those that were purists and held to that
belief....are all out of business.


Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo
stations every week when I'm on the road.



Did you notice that? You said ALL. Not most. Not virtually. You
said,
and quoting, he "ALL. That no Mono FMs have survived.

And that's not true.

Please go back and check the original post.



Sweetheart, that was a direct quote. Your words.

maus thinks he's arguing with telemon!

give it up maus...unless you want to list all the ownderful monaural
radio
stations that are out there + esp the prosporous ones!

LOL



Your eloquence is inspiring, to be sure.



We're still waiting for all those monaural FM stations that are proseprous.

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/15/09 24:13 , Watchin & Waitin' wrote:

- A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are
extinguishing
- the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and it does
save a
- small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the fringes.



it appears maus and other spout out claims like the one above and cannot
name one fm sportts/talker that has exstinguished their stereo pilot.

people like maus like to throw out comments that they cant back up



Pot-Kettle-Black, Bubba.

Insanity, meet Maus.....Maus meet insanity.

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On 10/15/09 12:02 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/15/09 24:13 , Watchin& Waitin' wrote:

- A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are
extinguishing
- the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and it does
save a
- small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the fringes.



it appears maus and other spout out claims like the one above and cannot
name one fm sportts/talker that has exstinguished their stereo pilot.

people like maus like to throw out comments that they cant back up



Pot-Kettle-Black, Bubba.

Insanity, meet Maus.....Maus meet insanity.




You have no idea.

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On 10/15/09 12:01 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/15/09 24:10 , Watchin& Waitin' wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/14/09 14:54 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

And those that were purists and held to that
belief....are all out of business.


Not so much. I encounter one or two non-stereo
stations every week when I'm on the road.



Did you notice that? You said ALL. Not most. Not virtually. You
said,
and quoting, he "ALL. That no Mono FMs have survived.

And that's not true.

Please go back and check the original post.



Sweetheart, that was a direct quote. Your words.

maus thinks he's arguing with telemon!

give it up maus...unless you want to list all the ownderful monaural
radio
stations that are out there + esp the prosporous ones!

LOL



Your eloquence is inspiring, to be sure.



We're still waiting for all those monaural FM stations that are proseprous.



No need to wait. Drive the country. They'll become obvious.

Next time I've got a road shoot, I'll hit at least two.

You probably will, too.


Besides, it's a great country to see from the backroads.

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
On 10/15/09 12:02 , Jo Jo Gunn wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message
...
On 10/15/09 24:13 , Watchin& Waitin' wrote:

- A large number of recent FM conversions (sports/talkers) are
extinguishing
- the stereo lamp. No need for stereo on these stations, and it does
save a
- small amount on energy bills and increases the SNR on the fringes.



it appears maus and other spout out claims like the one above and
cannot
name one fm sportts/talker that has exstinguished their stereo pilot.

people like maus like to throw out comments that they cant back up



Pot-Kettle-Black, Bubba.

Insanity, meet Maus.....Maus meet insanity.




You have no idea.



We're getting a clue with every post of yours...

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In article ,
SMS wrote:

It's as easy to hate iBiquity as it is to hate Qualcomm, but that won't
change things. You need to advise your customers to bring up HD as
quickly as possible so they're ready for revenue service when the
installed base reaches critical mass.

They already know that there is currently NO benefit to spending six
figures per station to ruin the quality of their current signal. I
couldn't talk them into it now if I wanted to.

In the unlikely event that HD every reaches "critical mass", HD could be
implemented overnight (well, in a week anyway). Until then, why bother?
Let the big boys throw their money in the street now.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

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"SMS" wrote in message
...
John Higdon wrote:
In article
,
RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one. HD
Radio has been around for seven years. Seven years! Where's the
revolution?

As I said, the public has spoken.

Not really. Few consumers were willing to pay extra for the HD equipment
but now HD radio is becoming more and more common as a standard feature on
factory audio systems and even on low-end after-market systems. Once the
installed base reaches critical mass then more stations will add HD.

I just got a replacement receiver for my SUV. It has HD built in (as well
as iPod controls and Bluetooth built in) and there was no version without
HD available, and was very inexpensive. There are still many receivers
where HD is "optional" but more and more it's just being thrown in as a
standard feature because the added cost is trivial (and because the
equipment manufacturers are giving up on their original model of requiring
a relatively expensive add-on kit because almost no one bought it because
there was so little content available).


Ford is SUPPOSED to be an iBiquity partner. Our brand new 2009 Ford Flex has
optional Sirius, no HD. And again, this is a brand new car.

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In article ,
"Brenda Ann" wrote:

Ford is SUPPOSED to be an iBiquity partner. Our brand new 2009 Ford Flex has
optional Sirius, no HD. And again, this is a brand new car.

In the past year, I have purchased two new Fords, neither of which came
with an "HD Radio". Both have Sirius, CD changer, and "Sync". I let the
Sirius lapse in both (who cares?), and HD Radio would never be listened
to, since there isn't a single station I listen to that is doing.

Maybe Ford woke up.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

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On Oct 8, 7:23�pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On Oct 8, 10:33�am, John Higdon wrote:





In article ,
�"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

HD is just another option/choice.

Choices are a good thing.

Not when they cause interference on the band and harm reception on other
stations.

I suggest you get up to speed on some of the tests that have been done
and are currently in progress.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

FM HD-Radio and the HD-2 Channels are
about Expanding the FM Radio Business
and the minor technical issues are simply
the cost of doing more business. ~ RHF
�.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, it's about jamming and putting the smaller broadcasters out of
business.

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On Oct 9, 1:41�am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"John Higdon" wrote in message

...

In article
,
"~ RHF" wrote:

FM HD-Radio and the HD-2 Channels are
about Expanding the FM Radio Business
and the minor technical issues are simply
the cost of doing more business.

The broadcasters being interfered with don't consider such interference
a "minor technical issue".

Can you state a broadcaster that is being interfered with in their protected
contours?

Again, if this is so prevailent, why isn't there a pile of listeners
complaints at the FCC?

Bob Savage WYSL for one.

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On Oct 9, 4:28�pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"~ RHF" wrote in message

...
On Oct 7, 9:59 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:



On Oct 7, 9:45 pm, John Higdon wrote: In article
,
"~ RHF" wrote:

As i have said before FM HD-2 Radio Broadcasts
are the only clear business reason for HD Radio
because it takes the same local FM Radio
'Franchise' {Radio License} and creates a
Second Income Stream from it at a low cost
multiple. � � � $ $ $ ~ RHF
.

- Where is the "income" if there are no spots? What advertiser would
waste
- a dime on the pathetically low penetration of all HD-2 combined?
-
- --
- John Higdon
- +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
- AT&T-Free At Last

- NFL Team Branded HD-2 is a 24/7 InfoMercial
- for every NFL Team in it's 'Local' Market Media
- Area - b r i l l i a n t ! ~ RHF
- .

Local Advertisers who wish to be 'identified'
with the Team and reach the Team's Fans
will be lining-up to support the Team Channel.
more money + More Money + MORE MONEY !


There are people like Higdon that live in the past and can't see the new
models of making money and reaching the target.

�.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"We Might Want to Keep an Eye on ION"

"If the commission embraces the notion that secondary digital streams
really do constitute separate licenses that can be separately
assigned, one could easily argue that radio stations that have opted
to transmit digital streams (i.e., 'HD Radio') should also be
permitted to sell those streams as separately licensed stations... For
one, the number of radio stations could theoretically double or triple
overnight. This might not have the cataclysmic effect of, say, the
injection of nearly 700 new FM allotments through the notorious Docket
No. 80-90 a quarter century ago, but you never know. At a minimum, if
the law of supply and demand were to hold true, the overnight doubling/
tripling of stations would likely depress each station's value. And
such a rapid increase in the number of stations would logically lead
to a similarly rapid increase in competition for audiences and
revenues. Are we all ready for that?"

http://www.rwonline.com/article.aspx...6922&mnu_id=14

You mean like this? iBiquity's business-model is based on replacing/
destroying community radio stations by replacing their signals with
the HDs/HD3 signals of lthe larger broadcasters who are all iBiquity
investors. I alerted Paragon Media Strategies to this, and they wanted
to know who I was - they are huge iBiquity shills. My blog has alerted
most of the Government agencies, including the DOJ, Congress, the FCC,
US Courts, and many others. You have no clue whom you are dealing
with, here.

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On Oct 13, 1:35�am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. �It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour.

No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal
would be protected.

That's the established standard. �The days of clear-channels being protected
nationwide are over.

Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they
think it's weak signal. �Nobody thinks to complain about interference.
They just move on to something else.

The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research.
There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no
indication that people "move onto something else".

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed.

THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid
60's. �Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve
coverage, and mostly automated.

The audio quality is nothing to write home about either.

The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. �And like the
qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's
"good enough" and the public isn't complaining.

But HD radio has caused us to adapt. �My wife & I listen to web radio more
than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial.

I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no
longer listen too due to HD radio.

"Dave Barnett" wrote in message

...



Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. �It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour. �Plus, to the
average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's
weak signal. �Nobody thinks to complain about interference. �They just
move on to something else.

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed. �The audio quality is nothing to write home
about either. �But HD radio has caused us to adapt. �My wife & I listen to
web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices
on the dial.

Dave B.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you work for iBiquity, the NAB, or the HD Radio Alliance? You sound
just as foolish as Bob "The Scammer Booble" Struble. Struble is
nothing but a glorified con-artist.

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On Oct 13, 1:35�am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. �It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour.

No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal
would be protected.

That's the established standard. �The days of clear-channels being protected
nationwide are over.

Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they
think it's weak signal. �Nobody thinks to complain about interference.
They just move on to something else.

The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research.
There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no
indication that people "move onto something else".

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed.

THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid
60's. �Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve
coverage, and mostly automated.

The audio quality is nothing to write home about either.

The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. �And like the
qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's
"good enough" and the public isn't complaining.

But HD radio has caused us to adapt. �My wife & I listen to web radio more
than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial.

I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no
longer listen too due to HD radio.

"Dave Barnett" wrote in message

...



Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. �It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour. �Plus, to the
average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's
weak signal. �Nobody thinks to complain about interference. �They just
move on to something else.

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed. �The audio quality is nothing to write home
about either. �But HD radio has caused us to adapt. �My wife & I listen to
web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices
on the dial.

Dave B.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

WOR clobbers WLW, WLW clobbers WOR, WBZ clobbers WHO, WCBS clobbers
WWL, WBBM clobbers WABC, etc...

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On Oct 13, 3:50�pm, SMS wrote:
John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
�dave wrote:

Stereo destroys FM coverage. �Those engineers were right.

IBOC destroys coverage (of other stations) even more.

People don't complain as much as they just find other things to listen
to. �Digital sidebands increase analog channel noise. �That is a fact.
Now if they were to quit trying to do stereo in the analog channel, that
might work.

Analog is still the bread and butter of all stations. Crippling it for
the sake of promoting iBiquity's financial health is done at every
station's peril.

iBiquity just wants to make its system the digital radio standard so the
company has value when they sell it. As analog radio goes the way of
analog television they want to be like Qualcomm is with 3G. They aren't
making any money now.

There are revenue opportunities in HD for the broadcasters that go
beyond simple advertising spots. Stations that don't take advantage of
these opportunities aren't too bright.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There are virtually no radios in listeners' hands, after five years -
no radios, no listeners, no revenue. IBOC is a malignant tumor eating
away at stations' revenues.

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On Oct 13, 4:54�pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
SMS wrote:
the HD is standard on most new mobile
audio systems,

When I hear some saying HD is dead and no one is buying it,
why would it be so ubiquitous in new gear?

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

It's not even included:

"HD Radio: Still low in priority at stores"

"I visited a Best Buy the other day, and while I was there I stopped
in the auto sound department. He took me to the display wall and
showed me the one unit that had HD Radio built in. It was a model from
JVC. He said that others were HD Radio ready, but they all required an
expensive interface to add HD Radio."

http://tinyurl.com/chb3rg

Almost all are just HD Radio Ready.

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On Oct 13, 6:37�pm, dave wrote:
Bob Dobbs wrote:
SMS wrote:
the HD is standard on most new mobile
audio systems,

When I hear some saying HD is dead and no one is buying it,
why would it be so ubiquitous in new gear?

Isn't Ford an ibiquity partner? �Car radios are a dying phenomenon.

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On Oct 14, 11:12�pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
John Higdon wrote:

The public is not interested. The big push several years ago was to
"educate the public" about HD Radio. Well, the public is not only
educated now, but has post-graduate degrees. The public is willfully
ignoring HD Radio.

Maybe they're waiting for the prices to drop,
that's what got me to buy one, and now that I have it,
for the most part I like it. If HD goes away I'll still have a nice
table radio that can be controlled with a remote.
As much couldn't be said about the AM stereo RCVR
I had back in the day, and have long since gotten rid of.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

"Are you waiting in line for your HD radio?"

"If you lower the price enough, folks will buy the radio. That's the
belief about HD radio that is being stoked in our industry. And, of
course, it's wrong."

http://www.hear2.com/2006/11/are_you_waiting.html

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On Oct 15, 1:00*pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"John Higdon" wrote in message

...

In article
,
RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one.

CBS is running infomercials on some of their HD-3 streams....making not a
lot of money...but some.

There are HD-2's in NY that are leased to foreign language broadcasters.

Many small constituancy groups would lease an HD-2 channel if they could.

Most stations ahve chosen NOT to have comemrcials on their HD2 stream.

I know a local group that would raise funds to lease an HD2 channel so they
can put EWTN on it (This I don't understand!)

But there are people a few dimes off their HD2 channels.

"REGENT COMMUNICATIONS, INC."

"We are currently broadcasting 24 FM stations and two AM stations in
digital, or high definition radio (HD Radio)... The economic benefit,
if any, to our stations that have converted to HD Radio currently
cannot be measured. Any future economic benefit to our stations as a
result of digital conversion is not known at this time."

http://tinyurl.com/nw9ts6

"Saga Communications, Inc."

"We also continue the rollout of HD Radio™... It is unclear what
impact HD Radio will have on the industry and our revenue as the
availability of HD receivers, particularly in automobiles, is not
widely available."

http://tinyurl.com/m5cs7l

"EMMIS COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION"

"We currently utilize HD Radio® digital technology on most of our FM
stations. It is unclear what impact HD Radio® will have on the markets
in which we operate."

http://tinyurl.com/kkgd7j

IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
 

On Oct 15, 6:02*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Oct 15, 2:14 am, John Higdon wrote:
In article
,

- - RHF wrote:
- - HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income
- - Stream for FM Radio Stations.

- Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel.
- Just name one.

HumDesi : South Asian Radio {WorldBand Media}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HumDesi
New York Metro - WRKS FM via HD-2
Los Angeles Metro - KPWR FM via HD-3
Chicago Metro - WLUP FM via HD-3
SF-Bay Area {San Jose} - KEZR FM via HD-2
Washington DC Metro - WTOP FM via HD-2

Oops - That's More Than One and Someone
must be Paying these FM HD-Radio Stations
to run this HD-2/3 Programming.

-ps- hope these fm stations are making more
than a 'dime' for the air-time ;;--}} ~ RHF

-that-something-extra-
Dallas Cowboys Radio -via- The Fan [KRLD-FM]
with HD-2 and HD-3 Sports Channels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRLD-FM
*.

- HD Radio has been around for seven years.
- Seven years!
- Where's the revolution?

Mostly Radio has been evolutionary in both
Programming and Technology.

- As I said, the public has spoken.

You Said What ? and who is listening . . .

Around 2015 the American Public will have "Spoken"
as to whether Radio Listeners have Adapted to FM
HD-Radio and it's HD-2 Channels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio
+ 1 Couple with the Fact that the FCC is United
behind the move to FM HD-Radio = Tax $$$
+ 2 Couple with the Fact that the Broadcast
Industry {Corporate Media} is also United
behind the move to FM HD-Radio = Income $$$

- --
- John Higdon
- +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
- AT&T-Free At Last

jh - remember it's 'radio' so just listen and enjoy ~ RHF
*.

- I've made a lot of money selling SCAs to ethnic groups.
-*Great penetration in Circle K markets.

SCA = Subsidiary Communications Authorization
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/subcarriers/
http://www.radiosca.com/sca-radio.html
http://www.blackcatsystems.com/radio/sca.html

Every HD-Radio is Second Audio Channel [HD-2]
'capable' for each and every FM HD-Radio Station
-and- Each and Every FM HD-Radio Station is
a 'potential' Second Audio Channel [HD-2] Broadcaster.
-plus- Each and Every Second Audio Channel
[HD-2] is a potential Second Income Stream for
FM HD-Radio Stations.

=IF= SCA was a good idea : Then HD-2 is a Better Idea.

idtars ~ RHF

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On Oct 15, 5:42*am, dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote:

D'Oh ! Dave "Local Communities" do not apply
for Commercial Radio Station Licenses :
Individuals and Corporations do.
*.

- You're about to get a wakeup call.

Obama-Media-Circles© will be telling us
what can be broadcast and
what we can listen-to ~ RHF

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 

On Oct 15, 9:45*am, SMS wrote:
John Higdon wrote:
In article
,
*RHF wrote:

HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income Stream
for FM Radio Stations.

Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel. Just name one.

HD Radio has been around for seven years. Seven years! Where's the
revolution?

As I said, the public has spoken.

Not really. Few consumers were willing to pay extra for the HD equipment
* but now HD radio is becoming more and more common as a standard
feature on factory audio systems and even on low-end after-market
systems.

- Once the installed base reaches critical mass
- then more stations will add HD.

That would be somewhere around 2015 . . .
IBOC : FM HD-Radio :
The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...08ec3b49d272f2

Yeah once Audio Content Consumers
-aka- Radio Listeners
Find an FM HD-2 Channel or two on their Car/Truck
HD-Radio they will start looking for an HD-Radio
for their Home and Office.

There are many 'paths' to the Public's Acceptance
of, and Adaption to, FM HD-Radio as their everyday
Audio {Radio} "Fix". ~ RHF


I just got a replacement receiver for my SUV. It has HD built in (as
well as iPod controls and Bluetooth built in) and there was no version
without HD available, and was very inexpensive. There are still many
receivers where HD is "optional" but more and more it's just being
thrown in as a standard feature because the added cost is trivial (and
because the equipment manufacturers are giving up on their original
model of requiring a relatively expensive add-on kit because almost no
one bought it because there was so little content available).

FM radio was around for more than 30 years before automobile
manufactures switched from AM radios to AM/FM radios as the standard
factory audio system (IIRC it was in the mid 1970's). It was actually
pretty good because with such a limited installed base there was a lot
less advertising on FM.

HD is the only digital radio system approved by the FCC. We'd be better
off with DAB which has no licensing fees, but HD was approved by the FCC
in 2002, during the dark years of GWB when the FCC was run as a business
designed to reward corporate broadcasters, wireless carriers, and
companies like iBiquity. The decision is unlikely to be reversed. Get
used to it.

It's as easy to hate iBiquity as it is to hate Qualcomm, but that won't
change things. You need to advise your customers to bring up HD as
quickly as possible so they're ready for revenue service when the
installed base reaches critical mass.

IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
 

On Oct 15, 8:29*am, Dave Barnett
wrote:
RHF wrote:
- - RHF wrote:
- - HD-2 FM Radio Channels and a 2nd Income
- - Stream for FM Radio Stations.

- Name a station making a dime off the HD-2 channel.
- Just name one.

John said "making a dime" - that means, revenue from the HD-2/3 channels
is 10 cents greater than the additional power bill, amortized costs of
upgrade, Ibiquity royalties, etc. *Are you sure?

Oh - and...

- - SF-Bay Area {San Jose} - KEZR FM via HD-2

- I don't know where that data came from,
- but 106.5 (KEZR) isn't transmitting HD.
-
- Dave B.

Care to dispute any of the 'others' too . . .
HumDesi : South Asian Radio {WorldBand Media}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HumDesi
New York Metro - WRKS FM via HD-2
Los Angeles Metro - KPWR FM via HD-3
Chicago Metro - WLUP FM via HD-3
Washington DC Metro - WTOP FM via HD-2

Local Radio (Was: Team-branded HD2s !!)
 

RHF wrote:
On Oct 15, 5:42 am, dave wrote:
~ RHF wrote:

D'Oh ! Dave "Local Communities" do not apply
for Commercial Radio Station Licenses :
Individuals and Corporations do.
.

- You're about to get a wakeup call.

Obama-Media-Circles© will be telling us
what can be broadcast and
what we can listen-to ~ RHF
.

Broadcasters should serve their local communities. This is the way it
used to be when radio didn't suck.

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 

RHF wrote:


looking forward to 2015 and fm hd-radio's future ~ RHF
.

It doesn't work in the mountains.

HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
 

"RHF" wrote in message
...
On Oct 16, 12:54 am, HD Radio Farce wrote:
On Oct 9, 4:28 pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:



"~ RHF" wrote in message

...
On Oct 7, 9:59 pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On Oct 7, 9:45 pm, John Higdon wrote: In article
,
"~ RHF" wrote:

As i have said before FM HD-2 Radio Broadcasts
are the only clear business reason for HD Radio
because it takes the same local FM Radio
'Franchise' {Radio License} and creates a
Second Income Stream from it at a low cost
multiple. $ $ $ ~ RHF
.

- Where is the "income" if there are no spots? What advertiser would
waste
- a dime on the pathetically low penetration of all HD-2 combined?
-
- --
- John Higdon
- +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
- AT&T-Free At Last

- NFL Team Branded HD-2 is a 24/7 InfoMercial
- for every NFL Team in it's 'Local' Market Media
- Area - b r i l l i a n t ! ~ RHF
- .

Local Advertisers who wish to be 'identified'
with the Team and reach the Team's Fans
will be lining-up to support the Team Channel.
more money + More Money + MORE MONEY !


There are people like Higdon that live in the past and can't see the new
models of making money and reaching the target.

.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"We Might Want to Keep an Eye on ION"

"If the commission embraces the notion that secondary digital streams
really do constitute separate licenses that can be separately
assigned, one could easily argue that radio stations that have opted
to transmit digital streams (i.e., 'HD Radio') should also be
permitted to sell those streams as separately licensed stations... For
one, the number of radio stations could theoretically double or triple
overnight. This might not have the cataclysmic effect of, say, the
injection of nearly 700 new FM allotments through the notorious Docket
No. 80-90 a quarter century ago, but you never know. At a minimum, if
the law of supply and demand were to hold true, the overnight doubling/
tripling of stations would likely depress each station's value. And
such a rapid increase in the number of stations would logically lead
to a similarly rapid increase in competition for audiences and
revenues. Are we all ready for that?"

http://www.rwonline.com/article.aspx...6922&mnu_id=14

You mean like this? iBiquity's business-model is based on replacing/
destroying community radio stations by replacing their signals with
the HDs/HD3 signals of lthe larger broadcasters who are all iBiquity
investors. I alerted Paragon Media Strategies to this, and they wanted
to know who I was - they are huge iBiquity shills. My blog has alerted
most of the Government agencies, including the DOJ, Congress, the FCC,
US Courts, and many others.

- You have no clue whom you are dealing with, here.

HDRF - i (we) bow before your greatness ~ rhf

lol!

i think we have a clue....HDRF is someone without a job who has time to keep
a blog, web sites, post to usenet newsgroups. (all anonymously?)

disgnosis: hd radio nutcake

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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message
...
On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their
contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour.

No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal
would be protected.

That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being
protected
nationwide are over.

Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise &
they
think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference.
They just move on to something else.

The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience
research.
There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no
indication that people "move onto something else".

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be,
but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed.

THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid
60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve
coverage, and mostly automated.

The audio quality is nothing to write home about either.

The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the
qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's
"good enough" and the public isn't complaining.

But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio
more
than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial.

I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no
longer listen too due to HD radio.

"Dave Barnett" wrote in message

...



Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their
contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the
average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's
weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They just
move on to something else.

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be,
but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write
home
about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen
to
web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices
on the dial.

Dave B.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you work for iBiquity, the NAB, or the HD Radio Alliance? You sound
just as foolish as Bob "The Scammer Booble" Struble. Struble is
nothing but a glorified con-artist.

hdrf....are you a psch patient? you sound just as foolish as them.

please get professional help...and take your meds.

and please get a life!

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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message
...
On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their
contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour.

No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal
would be protected.

That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being
protected
nationwide are over.

Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise &
they
think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference.
They just move on to something else.

The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience
research.
There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no
indication that people "move onto something else".

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be,
but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed.

THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid
60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve
coverage, and mostly automated.

The audio quality is nothing to write home about either.

The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the
qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's
"good enough" and the public isn't complaining.

But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio
more
than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial.

I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no
longer listen too due to HD radio.

"Dave Barnett" wrote in message

...



Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

There has been no widespread interference complaints from the
public...and virtually all stations are protected within their
contours.

That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the
proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a
signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the
average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's
weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They just
move on to something else.

I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be,
but
all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the
reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write
home
about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen
to
web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices
on the dial.

Dave B.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

WOR clobbers WLW, WLW clobbers WOR, WBZ clobbers WHO, WCBS clobbers
WWL, WBBM clobbers WABC, etc...

but you left out the important element....where!

if this is dx...then please realioze that the fcc and owner/operators does
not care about dx-ers and hobbyists.

you are trying to hang onto the past.

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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message
...
On Oct 13, 3:50?pm, SMS wrote:
John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
?dave wrote:

Stereo destroys FM coverage. ?Those engineers were right.

IBOC destroys coverage (of other stations) even more.

People don't complain as much as they just find other things to listen
to. ?Digital sidebands increase analog channel noise. ?That is a fact.
Now if they were to quit trying to do stereo in the analog channel,
that
might work.

Analog is still the bread and butter of all stations. Crippling it for
the sake of promoting iBiquity's financial health is done at every
station's peril.

iBiquity just wants to make its system the digital radio standard so the
company has value when they sell it. As analog radio goes the way of
analog television they want to be like Qualcomm is with 3G. They aren't
making any money now.

There are revenue opportunities in HD for the broadcasters that go
beyond simple advertising spots. Stations that don't take advantage of
these opportunities aren't too bright.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There are virtually no radios in listeners' hands, after five years -
no radios, no listeners, no revenue. IBOC is a malignant tumor eating
away at stations' revenues.

there is revenue....if you would stop your cut/paste/post and actually
listen for awhile.

IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
 

"Dave Barnett" wrote in message
...
RHF wrote:

Care to dispute any of the 'others' too . . .
HumDesi : South Asian Radio {WorldBand Media}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HumDesi
New York Metro - WRKS FM via HD-2
Los Angeles Metro - KPWR FM via HD-3
Chicago Metro - WLUP FM via HD-3
Washington DC Metro - WTOP FM via HD-2
.

Well, my previous post stands - I'm sure they're not making any money when
the true costs of HD are added up.


in the scheme of things...hd radio is very inexpensive

most stations hav echosen not to air any commericals...so as to be able to
"sell it" to the public as commercial free.

IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
 

RHF wrote:
=IF= SCA was a good idea : Then HD-2 is a Better Idea.

idtars ~ RHF
.

There's 2 completely different cost models there for the broadcaster.
An SCA generator can be had for less than $1500. That can be
recuperated in one month in a large market. But it doesn't matter.
Even then, until there's something compelling to listen to it won't
happen. I think about radioparadise and fatmusicradio on the web and
how fine their presentation and music mixes are, yet every time I try an
HD-2 channel for a while it's just boring. Maybe some broadcaster ought
to try to hook up with some of the better webcasters. The programming
is already there, and I wouldn't think they'd charge too much to put it
on the radio.

Dave B.

IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
 

Dave Barnett wrote:

There's 2 completely different cost models there for the broadcaster. An
SCA generator can be had for less than $1500. That can be recuperated
in one month in a large market. But it doesn't matter. Even then, until
there's something compelling to listen to it won't happen. I think
about radioparadise and fatmusicradio on the web and how fine their
presentation and music mixes are, yet every time I try an HD-2 channel
for a while it's just boring. Maybe some broadcaster ought to try to
hook up with some of the better webcasters. The programming is already
there, and I wouldn't think they'd charge too much to put it on the radio.

That would be a good model. The broadcasters need to understand that the
incremental cost of adding HD is quite small, they can't expect that HD
is going to provide revenue in proportion to the number of listeners, at
least not yet. We're four years away from HD becoming a standard feature
on all new car radios, and even then it'll be years before most cars on
the road have HD receivers.

Add an HD signal generator and an exciter that combines HD Radio and
analog FM and then concentrate on the more difficult task of actual
content, but as you stated hooking up with webcasters would be good
model. John says it would cost "six figures" to add HD, and I wonder
where that number came from. Is there some big up-front payment you have
to make to iBiquity, because the equipment certainly doesn't cost
anything close to $100K?

You have the potential to add listeners with different formats on HD (or
not lose listeners when you change format by moving the old format to
HD). I.e. I'd love an oldies station, but the Bay Area market can't
support a regular FM oldies station the way other markets can, so if you
want that content you have to subscribe to satellite radio at rather
ridiculous prices.

Time for the broadcasters to realize that HD is here, and that fighting
it is rather hopeless. Closing your eyes and pretending it doesn't
exist, and hoping for a better digital radio standard to emerge is not
productive.

Now when will the SAP actually have some content on my TV?

IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
 

On 10/16/09 12:08 , SMS wrote:
Dave Barnett wrote:
Is there some big up-front payment you have
to make to iBiquity, because the equipment certainly doesn't cost
anything close to $100K?



Yeah, actually, it does. The digital system is virtually a
separate system, requiring separate transmitters and towers.

Followed by the ongoing licensing fee to iBiquity for the right
to use the encoding algorithms, which are proprietary.

IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
 

D. Peter Maus wrote:

Yeah, actually, it does. The digital system is virtually a separate
system, requiring separate transmitters and towers.

No, actually it doesn't. Or at least it usually doesn't require a new
transmitter.

As long as the existing transmitter has an extra 10% of power headroom
to overcome combiner losses, you can do high-level combining and you do
not need a new transmitter (or tower).

If you have to buy a new transmitter then of course the cost goes way up
but you still don't need a new tower.

They are not separate systems, either virtually or in reality. No
stations at all would be broadcasting HD if it required separate
transmitters and towers.

John can answer the question as to how many stations have transmitters
with that 10% of headroom, but apparently many do.

IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
 

In article ,
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote:

in the scheme of things...hd radio is very inexpensive

Obviously, you have never done an HD conversion. It amounts to basically
building a new transmitter plant from scratch. And that's just the
transmitter end. Oh, and don't forget the ongoing iBiquity fees based
upon the station's gross revenues, with additional royalties on each
HD-X channel.

most stations hav echosen not to air any commericals...so as to be able to
"sell it" to the public as commercial free.

Where does the revenue come from when it is "commercial free"?

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
 

D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 10/16/09 12:08 , SMS wrote:
Dave Barnett wrote:
Is there some big up-front payment you have
to make to iBiquity, because the equipment certainly doesn't cost
anything close to $100K?



Yeah, actually, it does. The digital system is virtually a separate
system, requiring separate transmitters and towers.

Followed by the ongoing licensing fee to iBiquity for the right to use
the encoding algorithms, which are proprietary.

There's no need for a separate tower. Depending on the linearity and
headroom of the transmitter plant you could conceivably get by with just
a new exciter and new monitor.

IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
 

On 10/16/09 13:03 , SMS wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote:

Yeah, actually, it does. The digital system is virtually a separate
system, requiring separate transmitters and towers.

No, actually it doesn't. Or at least it usually doesn't require a new
transmitter.

As long as the existing transmitter has an extra 10% of power headroom
to overcome combiner losses, you can do high-level combining and you do
not need a new transmitter (or tower).

If you have to buy a new transmitter then of course the cost goes way up
but you still don't need a new tower.


That assumes the existing array is broadband enough. That's an
issue in directionals and some older omni's. Some DA's can be
broadbanded to accomodate the two channel extra bandwidth.
Some...not so much. Even broadbanding an existing array can run into
money. At the station in Iowa, we tried for the entire time I was
there to broadband the antenna so we had fewer issues at night some
of which were severe, presenting highly irregular loads to the
transmitters. There were audio artifacts that became quite
objectionable. Spent bags of money on it. And never did get it where
we wanted it to be.

Eventually, everything was replaced with newly redesigned and
engineered hardware. Including north tower which was the center of
our broadbanding problems.

And that was a single channel's bandwidth. For IBOC, they'd
have to tear out everything from the program line terminal to the
toplights.





They are not separate systems, either virtually or in reality. No
stations at all would be broadcasting HD if it required separate
transmitters and towers.


Many of the stations around here installed them as separate systems.



John can answer the question as to how many stations have transmitters
with that 10% of headroom, but apparently many do.

The question is IF the existing transmitter has that kind of
headroom. Often, especially in the case of some lower margin
stations, this is not the case. Even in the cases of big markets,
new hardware is often installed. WGN put in new transmitters for the
implementation of IBOC.