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HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
On Oct 17, 2:35�am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 16, 12:10?pm, "Watchin & Waitin'" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 9, 1:41?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , "~ RHF" wrote: FM HD-Radio and the HD-2 Channels are about Expanding the FM Radio Business and the minor technical issues are simply the cost of doing more business. The broadcasters being interfered with don't consider such interference a "minor technical issue". Can you state a broadcaster that is being interfered with in their protected contours? Again, if this is so prevailent, why isn't there a pile of listeners complaints at the FCC? Bob Savage WYSL for one. #1...he is not a listener. #2....why is he the only example that gets brought up when someone asks about the so-called intereference. #3.....WYSL is a badly designed facility that is attempting to service a market from 25 miles out of town with, what, 500 watts? but dont let the truth get in the way.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Midwest Television, licensee of KFMB(AM), a Class B in San Diego, has submitted a second interference complaint to the commission about Kiertron, licensee of KBRT(AM), a Class D in More cut/paste nonsense that no one is going to read.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You certainly seem worrired about all of those cut-and-pastes - perhaps, the truth is coming out about this HD Radio scam. There needs to be a Federal Investigation into the iBiquity/FCC relationship. I've already gotten 10 hits from the Department of Justice and the FCC, each. |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
On Oct 17, 2:33�am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
I am more up-to date than you could imagine. There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area. No, I'M much more up-to-date than YOU could ever imagine: There are still people in this newsgroup that bemoan stereo.!! Let's ask the 25,000 visitors that I have gotten from around the world. The visitors don't all agree with you. �Most of them are bots. Oh, really - here's my Google Analytics since June 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yfyheqe You should have seen last year's Analytics - LOL! |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
On Oct 17, 2:40�am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"Watchin & Waitin'" wrote in ... "HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal would be protected. That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being protected nationwide are over. Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just move on to something else. The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research. There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no indication that people "move onto something else". I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid 60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve coverage, and mostly automated. The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's "good enough" and the public isn't complaining. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no longer listen too due to HD radio. "Dave Barnett" wrote in message ... Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They just move on to something else. I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. Dave B.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - �WOR clobbers WLW, WLW clobbers WOR, WBZ clobbers WHO, WCBS clobbers WWL, WBBM clobbers WABC, etc... but you left out the important element....where! if this is dx...then please realioze that the fcc and owner/operators does not care about dx-ers and hobbyists. you are trying to hang onto the past. I notice he didn't respond.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Listener complaints http://stopiboc.com/documents/iboccomments.pdf |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
On Oct 17, 2:29�am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 16, 1:52?pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 10/16/09 12:08 , SMS wrote: Dave Barnett wrote: Is there some big up-front payment you have to make to iBiquity, because the equipment certainly doesn't cost anything close to $100K? ? ?Yeah, actually, it does. The digital system is virtually a separate system, requiring separate transmitters and towers. ? ?Followed by the ongoing licensing fee to iBiquity for the right to use the encoding algorithms, which are proprietary. "I-Bust or H-Doomed" "In these trying times, it should be Another cut/paste by the HD nut. "Another cut/paste by the HD nut." At least, I don't obsessively cut-and-paste the same thing over and over - LOL! |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
On Oct 17, 2:27*am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , SMS wrote: D. Peter Maus wrote: * First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from some pre-existing program source. It's coming from listeners that would otherwise be listening to their iPod, CDs, or digital media (in the car or not in the car) because there's nothing on analog AM or FM that they want to listen to. HD radio is much more likely to be stealing customers from satellite radio than from analog FM. If "killer programming" is going to be available on HD, why not put it on analog FM now? As someone who used to work in Classical radio, you realize that those formats are dropping like flies. Classical could find a nice home on HD-2 channels....and some NPR outlets are doing news/talk on their HD1....and doing classical on their HD2. The formats available on HD2 (and 3) are going to be niche programming. Enough listeners to sustain it, but not enough to warrant an $70 million dollar signal. One of the biggest problems classical formats have had is balancing the listeners who like choral & opera....with those who don't! This one of the great uses of secondary streams. *HD2 can be all choral & opera. COuntry formats that feature 90's and todays music...can put 60's/70's on the decondary HD2 channel.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Struble: HD Addresses The ’Long Tail’" "Bob Struble, President/CEO of HD Radio developer iBiquity Digital, says in his latest column on the iBiquity website that HD technology can help radio address the Long Tail of consumer interest... Analog radio cannot effectively serve the Long Tail, Struble writes... But HD Radio, he says, gives radio broadcasters an economically viable way to address the Long Tail with niche formats on HD2 and HD3 subchannels... I got a bunch of thought provoking comments on The Long Tail column, and the usual suspects questioning my sanity and family background." http://www.hdradio.com/the_buzz.php?thebuzz=315 "Harvard Business Review: Should You Invest in the Long Tail?" "Chris Anderson, editor of Wired magazine, argues that the sudden availability of niche offerings more closely tailored to their tastes will lure consumers away from homogenized hits. The 'tail' of the sales distribution curve, he says, will become longer, fatter, and more profitable. Elberse, a professor at Harvard Business School, set out to investigate whether Anderson's long-tail theory is actually playing out in today's markets. She focused on the music and home- video industries -- two markets that Anderson and others frequently hold up as examples of the long tail in action -- reviewing sales data from Nielsen SoundScan, Nielsen VideoScan, the online music service Rhapsody, and the Australian DVD-by-mail service Quickflix. What she found may surprise you: Blockbusters are capturing even more of the market than they used to, and consumers in the tail don't really like niche products much." http://www.citeulike.org/user/mmkurth/article/2984768 There is no viable business-model for niche formats on the HD channels - Struble should have known that, since he is a Harvard MBA Baker Scholar. Perhaps, he doesn't read the Harvard Busines Review, or more likely, is just lying, as we all know. "CC Radio’s Format Lab gone?" "So bottom line, the Format Lab is no longer available on the web and has cut some of its formats down to the most successful/desirable. The www.iHeartMusic.com website seems to only list the main audio streams of CC stations--not multicast HD formats--but does offer a few off to the side: erockster; Pride; Verizon New Music; Smooth Jazz; Real Oldies; Slow Jams and New Country. There used to be something close to 100 formats listed on the site." http://www.rbr.com/radio/11252.html "Bonneville pulls iChannel Music" "Bonneville has pulled the plug on its iChannel Music HD Network and streaming. For the most part, it has replaced the HD multicast with WorldBand Media content (brokered ethnic programming). iChannel allowed indie bands to upload their music online for consideration... We commend Bonneville for giving it a shot—it allowed radio to expose a lot of new, unsigned indie bands from around the world. CC Radio's eRockster HD2 format is still around at a good handful of stations and still outstanding. If that gets shuttered, a good bunch of us just might be done with HD Radio listening altoghether." http://www.rbr.com/radio/12113.html Yup, these niche formats have been a failure! LOL! |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
On Oct 16, 11:27*pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , SMS wrote: D. Peter Maus wrote: * First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from some pre-existing program source. It's coming from listeners that would otherwise be listening to their iPod, CDs, or digital media (in the car or not in the car) because there's nothing on analog AM or FM that they want to listen to. HD radio is much more likely to be stealing customers from satellite radio than from analog FM. If "killer programming" is going to be available on HD, why not put it on analog FM now? As someone who used to work in Classical radio, you realize that those formats are dropping like flies. Classical could find a nice home on HD-2 channels....and some NPR outlets are doing news/talk on their HD1....and doing classical on their HD2. The formats available on HD2 (and 3) are going to be niche programming. Enough listeners to sustain it, but not enough to warrant an $70 million dollar signal. One of the biggest problems classical formats have had is balancing the listeners who like choral & opera....with those who don't! This one of the great uses of secondary streams. *HD2 can be all choral & opera. COuntry formats that feature 90's and todays music...can put 60's/70's on the decondary HD2 channel. Classical and Country are just two formats missing in many metro areas : =IF= People are Listening to the HD-2 Channels the Advertisers will Follow and the Income will Flow . . . ~ RHF |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
On Oct 17, 6:15*am, "Brenda Ann"
wrote: "David Kaye" wrote in message ... John Higdon wrote: I'm wondering about something. *SCA is not considered broadcasting, and therefore SCA programming was not subject to the same FCC content rules as main channel programming. *Likewise XM and Sirius. So, the question is, could some station put Pirate Cat on its HD channel or would the station be subject to FCC obscenity fines? *Is it broadcasting or narrowcasting? *When is HD broadcasting and Sirius not? SCA is not only not broadcasting, it is a subscription service and reception of SCA by unauthorized users is technically illegal. With IBOC it is not the same. Anyone who buys an IBOC receiver is de facto authorized to receive any signal broadcast by any IBOC equipped station. It is, therefor, for the time being, a free radio service that anyone can listen to, and so covered by FCC rules dealing with content. I'm not sure how that would work for the ability of the stations to sell time to freelancers (e.g. pirates). Someone would have to be responsible for paying royalties, etc., as well. Satellite is a different case. It's like SCA in some ways. In particular, it is a subscription service that is not available to everyone for free, and is therefor restricted access. This is why normal FCC content rules do not apply. Encrypted HD-2 Channels available by $ub$ciption. |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
On Oct 17, 2:08*pm, RHF wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:43*am, HD Radio Farce wrote: On Oct 17, 2:27*am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , SMS wrote: D. Peter Maus wrote: * First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from some pre-existing program source. It's coming from listeners that would otherwise be listening to their iPod, CDs, or digital media (in the car or not in the car) because there's nothing on analog AM or FM that they want to listen to. HD radio is much more likely to be stealing customers from satellite radio than from analog FM. If "killer programming" is going to be available on HD, why not put it on analog FM now? As someone who used to work in Classical radio, you realize that those formats are dropping like flies. Classical could find a nice home on HD-2 channels....and some NPR outlets are doing news/talk on their HD1....and doing classical on their HD2. The formats available on HD2 (and 3) are going to be niche programming. Enough listeners to sustain it, but not enough to warrant an $70 million dollar signal. One of the biggest problems classical formats have had is balancing the listeners who like choral & opera....with those who don't! This one of the great uses of secondary streams. *HD2 can be all choral & opera. COuntry formats that feature 90's and todays music...can put 60's/70's on the decondary HD2 channel.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Struble: HD Addresses The ’Long Tail’" "Bob Struble, President/CEO of HD Radio developer iBiquity Digital, says in his latest column on the iBiquity website that HD technology can help radio address the Long Tail of consumer interest... Analog radio cannot effectively serve the Long Tail, Struble writes... But HD Radio, he says, gives radio broadcasters an economically viable way to address the Long Tail with niche formats on HD2 and HD3 subchannels... I got a bunch of thought provoking comments on The Long Tail column, and the usual suspects questioning my sanity and family background." http://www.hdradio.com/the_buzz.php?thebuzz=315 "Harvard Business Review: Should You Invest in the Long Tail?" "Chris Anderson, editor of Wired magazine, argues that the sudden availability of niche offerings more closely tailored to their tastes will lure consumers away from homogenized hits. The 'tail' of the sales distribution curve, he says, will become longer, fatter, and more profitable. Elberse, a professor at Harvard Business School, set out to investigate whether Anderson's long-tail theory is actually playing out in today's markets. She focused on the music and home- video industries -- two markets that Anderson and others frequently hold up as examples of the long tail in action -- reviewing sales data from Nielsen SoundScan, Nielsen VideoScan, the online music service Rhapsody, and the Australian DVD-by-mail service Quickflix. What she found may surprise you: Blockbusters are capturing even more of the market than they used to, and consumers in the tail don't really like niche products much." http://www.citeulike.org/user/mmkurth/article/2984768 There is no viable business-model for niche formats on the HD channels - Struble should have known that, since he is a Harvard MBA Baker Scholar. Perhaps, he doesn't read the Harvard Busines Review, or more likely, is just lying, as we all know. "CC Radio’s Format Lab gone?" "So bottom line, the Format Lab is no longer available on the web and has cut some of its formats down to the most successful/desirable. Thewww.iHeartMusic.comwebsiteseems to only list the main audio streams of CC stations--not multicast HD formats--but does offer a few off to the side: erockster; Pride; Verizon New Music; Smooth Jazz; Real Oldies; Slow Jams and New Country. There used to be something close to 100 formats listed on the site." http://www.rbr.com/radio/11252.html "Bonneville pulls iChannel Music" "Bonneville has pulled the plug on its iChannel Music HD Network and streaming. - For the most part, it has replaced the HD multicast - with WorldBand Media content (brokered ethnic - programming). HDRF - As you point out "World Band Media" content (brokered ethnic programming) is a Profitable {Successful} use of HD-2 Channels for FM Radio Stations. ~ RHF iChannel allowed indie bands to upload their music online for consideration... We commend Bonneville for giving it a shot—it allowed radio to expose a lot of new, unsigned indie bands from around the world. CC Radio's eRockster HD2 format is still around at a good handful of stations and still outstanding. If that gets shuttered, a good bunch of us just might be done with HD Radio listening altoghether." http://www.rbr.com/radio/12113.html Yup, these niche formats have been a failure! LOL!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Prove it! More farce from the HD Radio broadcasters and iNiquity. |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
On Oct 16, 2:25*pm, HD Radio Farce wrote:
On Oct 16, 3:22 pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 10/16/09 14:07 , John Higdon wrote: Oh, and don't forget the studio, the new digital STL, monitoring equipment, and the fact that HD equipment currently in the field is notoriously unreliable. Fortunately, most stations don't care that much because their three HD listeners don't phone in to complain. You know what's really interesting about that whole HD Listener thing,...is that people see this as an opportunity for a station to garner new revenues by attracting new listeners. Reality paints a much different picture than the public perceives. First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from some pre-existing program source. Any new programming outlet steals it's listeners from the existing 100 share. So, literally, stations are hoping to steal their own listeners to put them on the HD streams. What's that, you say? They stay in the family? Really? Well, while a listener shift from the baseband channel to the HD2 stream DOES keep that listener within the company, it takes that listener from the programs of high advertising rates, and puts them on the programs of LOW advertising rates. Enough listeners make that shift, and the baseband channel's advertising rates fall. Meanwhile the HD stream's rates are abysmally low mostly because there is virtually no listenership. Most advertising on HD at the moment is value added to the baseband's sales packages. That which isn't, is low rated. And the advertising revenues per spot are dramatically less than the revenues per spot on the baseband. So, what HD is really doing is robbing the analog channels of it's revenues while putting the ratings points on HD streams that can't begin to replace the lost revenue from the baseband. How the hell the bean counters at these stations let that go is beyond me. Hell, when I was at CBS, we reused the toner in the copy machine, for cryin' out loud. Drop $100,000 + on HD and then let it siphon off the ad rates? C'mon. - Exactly, as there is something called ION! ? ION ? |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
On Oct 16, 11:19*pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , "Watchin & Waitin'" wrote: in the scheme of things...hd radio is very inexpensive Obviously, you have never done an HD conversion. It amounts to basically building a new transmitter plant from scratch. And that's just the transmitter end. Oh, and don't forget the ongoing iBiquity fees based upon the station's gross revenues, with additional royalties on each HD-X channel. most stations hav echosen not to air any commericals...so as to be able to "sell it" to the public as commercial free. Where does the revenue come from when it is "commercial free"? Most have agreed to forgo advertising in order to highlight the HD as an alternative, another choice. - Some have leased time to ethnic groups for cash, - some have leased time to infomercials, - some to religious outlets.....for cash. For Christian Religious Broadcasters HD-2 Channels that Broadcast 24/7 may be a more 'cost effective' alternative to running their own 24/7 FM Radio Station. For the Saudi Arabian Government who pays for 2/3s of the Imams in American Mosques having a 100+ FM HD-Radio Stations across the USA broadcasting an HD-2 "Muslim" Channel in Arabic and English would fit into their scheme to bring Allah to America. |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
On Oct 17, 9:19*am, HD Radio Farce wrote:
On Oct 17, 2:35 am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 16, 12:10?pm, "Watchin & Waitin'" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 9, 1:41?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , "~ RHF" wrote: FM HD-Radio and the HD-2 Channels are about Expanding the FM Radio Business and the minor technical issues are simply the cost of doing more business. The broadcasters being interfered with don't consider such interference a "minor technical issue". Can you state a broadcaster that is being interfered with in their protected contours? Again, if this is so prevailent, why isn't there a pile of listeners complaints at the FCC? Bob Savage WYSL for one. #1...he is not a listener. #2....why is he the only example that gets brought up when someone asks about the so-called intereference. #3.....WYSL is a badly designed facility that is attempting to service a market from 25 miles out of town with, what, 500 watts? but dont let the truth get in the way.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Midwest Television, licensee of KFMB(AM), a Class B in San Diego, has submitted a second interference complaint to the commission about Kiertron, licensee of KBRT(AM), a Class D in More cut/paste nonsense that no one is going to read.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You certainly seem worrired about all of those cut-and-pastes - perhaps, the truth is coming out about this HD Radio scam. - There needs to be a Federal Investigation into - the iBiquity/FCC relationship. - I've already gotten 10 hits from the Department - of Justice and the FCC, each. HDRF - Maybe they are looking at you for a 'reason' {Complaints}. ~ RHF |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 17, 2:29?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 16, 1:52?pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 10/16/09 12:08 , SMS wrote: Dave Barnett wrote: Is there some big up-front payment you have to make to iBiquity, because the equipment certainly doesn't cost anything close to $100K? ? ?Yeah, actually, it does. The digital system is virtually a separate system, requiring separate transmitters and towers. ? ?Followed by the ongoing licensing fee to iBiquity for the right to use the encoding algorithms, which are proprietary. "I-Bust or H-Doomed" "In these trying times, it should be Another cut/paste by the HD nut. "Another cut/paste by the HD nut." At least, I don't obsessively cut-and-paste the same thing over and over - LOL! Yes, you do...same articles over and over. No independent thought or ability to engage. |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 17, 2:27 am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , SMS wrote: D. Peter Maus wrote: First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from some pre-existing program source. It's coming from listeners that would otherwise be listening to their iPod, CDs, or digital media (in the car or not in the car) because there's nothing on analog AM or FM that they want to listen to. HD radio is much more likely to be stealing customers from satellite radio than from analog FM. If "killer programming" is going to be available on HD, why not put it on analog FM now? As someone who used to work in Classical radio, you realize that those formats are dropping like flies. Classical could find a nice home on HD-2 channels....and some NPR outlets are doing news/talk on their HD1....and doing classical on their HD2. The formats available on HD2 (and 3) are going to be niche programming. Enough listeners to sustain it, but not enough to warrant an $70 million dollar signal. One of the biggest problems classical formats have had is balancing the listeners who like choral & opera....with those who don't! This one of the great uses of secondary streams. HD2 can be all choral & opera. COuntry formats that feature 90's and todays music...can put 60's/70's on the decondary HD2 channel.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Struble: HD Addresses The ’Long Tail’" "Bob Struble, President/CEO of HD Radio developer iBiquity Digital, says in his latest column on the iBiquity website ANother cut/paste! |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 17, 2:08 pm, RHF wrote: On Oct 17, 9:43 am, HD Radio Farce wrote: On Oct 17, 2:27 am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , SMS wrote: D. Peter Maus wrote: First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from some pre-existing program source. It's coming from listeners that would otherwise be listening to their iPod, CDs, or digital media (in the car or not in the car) because there's nothing on analog AM or FM that they want to listen to. HD radio is much more likely to be stealing customers from satellite radio than from analog FM. If "killer programming" is going to be available on HD, why not put it on analog FM now? As someone who used to work in Classical radio, you realize that those formats are dropping like flies. Classical could find a nice home on HD-2 channels....and some NPR outlets are doing news/talk on their HD1....and doing classical on their HD2. The formats available on HD2 (and 3) are going to be niche programming. Enough listeners to sustain it, but not enough to warrant an $70 million dollar signal. One of the biggest problems classical formats have had is balancing the listeners who like choral & opera....with those who don't! This one of the great uses of secondary streams. HD2 can be all choral & opera. COuntry formats that feature 90's and todays music...can put 60's/70's on the decondary HD2 channel.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Struble: HD Addresses The ’Long Tail’" "Bob Struble, President/CEO of HD Radio developer iBiquity Digital, says in his latest column on the iBiquity website that HD technology can help radio address the Long Tail of consumer interest... Analog radio cannot effectively serve the Long Tail, Struble writes... But HD Radio, he says, gives radio broadcasters an economically viable way to address the Long Tail with niche formats on HD2 and HD3 subchannels... I got a bunch of thought provoking comments on The Long Tail column, and the usual suspects questioning my sanity and family background." http://www.hdradio.com/the_buzz.php?thebuzz=315 "Harvard Business Review: Should You Invest in the Long Tail?" "Chris Anderson, editor of Wired magazine, argues that the sudden availability of niche offerings more closely tailored to their tastes will lure consumers away from homogenized hits. The 'tail' of the sales distribution curve, he says, will become longer, fatter, and more profitable. Elberse, a professor at Harvard Business School, set out to investigate whether Anderson's long-tail theory is actually playing out in today's markets. She focused on the music and home- video industries -- two markets that Anderson and others frequently hold up as examples of the long tail in action -- reviewing sales data from Nielsen SoundScan, Nielsen VideoScan, the online music service Rhapsody, and the Australian DVD-by-mail service Quickflix. What she found may surprise you: Blockbusters are capturing even more of the market than they used to, and consumers in the tail don't really like niche products much." http://www.citeulike.org/user/mmkurth/article/2984768 There is no viable business-model for niche formats on the HD channels - Struble should have known that, since he is a Harvard MBA Baker Scholar. Perhaps, he doesn't read the Harvard Busines Review, or more likely, is just lying, as we all know. "CC Radio’s Format Lab gone?" "So bottom line, the Format Lab is no longer available on the web and has cut some of its formats down to the most successful/desirable. Thewww.iHeartMusic.comwebsiteseems to only list the main audio streams of CC stations--not multicast HD formats--but does offer a few off to the side: erockster; Pride; Verizon New Music; Smooth Jazz; Real Oldies; Slow Jams and New Country. There used to be something close to 100 formats listed on the site." http://www.rbr.com/radio/11252.html "Bonneville pulls iChannel Music" "Bonneville has pulled the plug on its iChannel Music HD Network and streaming. - For the most part, it has replaced the HD multicast - with WorldBand Media content (brokered ethnic - programming). HDRF - As you point out "World Band Media" content (brokered ethnic programming) is a Profitable {Successful} use of HD-2 Channels for FM Radio Stations. ~ RHF iChannel allowed indie bands to upload their music online for consideration... We commend Bonneville for giving it a shot—it allowed radio to expose a lot of new, unsigned indie bands from around the world. CC Radio's eRockster HD2 format is still around at a good handful of stations and still outstanding. If that gets shuttered, a good bunch of us just might be done with HD Radio listening altoghether." http://www.rbr.com/radio/12113.html Yup, these niche formats have been a failure! LOL!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ? Prove it! More farce from the HD Radio broadcasters and iNiquity. More inabilty to see reality from the HD Radio Nutcase and Enihborhood Mental HEalth Patient. |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 17, 2:24?pm, RHF wrote: On Oct 16, 2:25?pm, HD Radio Farce wrote: On Oct 16, 3:22 pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 10/16/09 14:07 , John Higdon wrote: Oh, and don't forget the studio, the new digital STL, monitoring equipment, and the fact that HD equipment currently in the field is notoriously unreliable. Fortunately, most stations don't care that much because their three HD listeners don't phone in to complain. You know what's really interesting about that whole HD Listener thing,...is that people see this as an opportunity for a station to garner new revenues by attracting new listeners. Reality paints a much different picture than the public perceives. First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from some pre-existing program source. Any new programming outlet steals it's listeners from the existing 100 share. So, literally, stations are hoping to steal their own listeners to put them on the HD streams. What's that, you say? They stay in the family? Really? Well, while a listener shift from the baseband channel to the HD2 stream DOES keep that listener within the company, it takes that listener from the programs of high advertising rates, and puts them on the programs of LOW advertising rates. Enough listeners make that shift, and the baseband channel's advertising rates fall. Meanwhile the HD stream's rates are abysmally low mostly because there is virtually no listenership. Most advertising on HD at the moment is value added to the baseband's sales packages. That which isn't, is low rated. And the advertising revenues per spot are dramatically less than the revenues per spot on the baseband. So, what HD is really doing is robbing the analog channels of it's revenues while putting the ratings points on HD streams that can't begin to replace the lost revenue from the baseband. How the hell the bean counters at these stations let that go is beyond me. Hell, when I was at CBS, we reused the toner in the copy machine, for cryin' out loud. Drop $100,000 + on HD and then let it siphon off the ad rates? C'mon. - Exactly, as there is something called ION! ? ION ?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "We Might Want to Keep an Eye on ION" "If the commission embraces the notion that secondary digital streams really do constitute separate Wow! A REPEAT Cut/paste! |
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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 17, 2:39?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal would be protected. That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being protected nationwide are over. Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just move on to something else. The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research. There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no indication that people "move onto something else". I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid 60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve coverage, and mostly automated. The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's "good enough" and the public isn't complaining. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no longer listen too due to HD radio. "Dave Barnett" wrote in message ... Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They just move on to something else. I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. Dave B.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ?Do you work for iBiquity, the NAB, or the HD Radio Alliance? Is this directed at me? Nope. ?None of them. ?I have no allegiances. ?I just get a kick out of playing rope-a-dope with the HD haters like you. ?;-) Now a question for you: -Do you have a job? -Do you have a life? -Do you have a family...or a spouse...or are you simply obsessivbely compulsively living in the wake of iBiquity and Struble? ?;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I love all of this attention! Typical of IBOC boosters to launch a series of personal attacks, when they have no counter-arguments. I've heard it all - LOL! I love this denial of reality! Typical of HD radio nutcakes to ignore the arguments put forth and the realies presented and launch a series of cut/pastes when they can't engage in a discussion. Post a& run! Oh wait, you're tending to that "blog" that thousands of bots read each day! |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 17, 2:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 16, 12:10?pm, "Watchin & Waitin'" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 9, 1:41?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , "~ RHF" wrote: FM HD-Radio and the HD-2 Channels are about Expanding the FM Radio Business and the minor technical issues are simply the cost of doing more business. The broadcasters being interfered with don't consider such interference a "minor technical issue". Can you state a broadcaster that is being interfered with in their protected contours? Again, if this is so prevailent, why isn't there a pile of listeners complaints at the FCC? Bob Savage WYSL for one. #1...he is not a listener. #2....why is he the only example that gets brought up when someone asks about the so-called intereference. #3.....WYSL is a badly designed facility that is attempting to service a market from 25 miles out of town with, what, 500 watts? but dont let the truth get in the way.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Midwest Television, licensee of KFMB(AM), a Class B in San Diego, has submitted a second interference complaint to the commission about Kiertron, licensee of KBRT(AM), a Class D in More cut/paste nonsense that no one is going to read.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You certainly seem worrired about all of those cut-and-pastes - Not worried about them...just tired of them, your just adding white noise. This is a discussion group....not a hit & run group. If you can't get involved with discussion...or understand that people come to different conclusions....then you need some professional help. |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 17, 2:33?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: I am more up-to date than you could imagine. There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area. No, I'M much more up-to-date than YOU could ever imagine: There are still people in this newsgroup that bemoan stereo.!! Let's ask the 25,000 visitors that I have gotten from around the world. The visitors don't all agree with you. ?Most of them are bots. Oh, really - here's my Google Analytics since June 2009: http://tisnyurl.com/yfyheqe Probably just people (like me) who went to your site to see who the HD radio nutcake really is! And we found out! Just anonother anonymous blogger who likes to play fast and loose with facts, is far from the reality of the broadcast business, and lives in his others basement! Blog on! |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 17, 2:40?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "Watchin & Waitin'" wrote in ... "HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal would be protected. That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being protected nationwide are over. Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just move on to something else. The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research. There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no indication that people "move onto something else". I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid 60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve coverage, and mostly automated. The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's "good enough" and the public isn't complaining. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no longer listen too due to HD radio. "Dave Barnett" wrote in message ... Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They just move on to something else. I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. Dave B.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ?WOR clobbers WLW, WLW clobbers WOR, WBZ clobbers WHO, WCBS clobbers WWL, WBBM clobbers WABC, etc... but you left out the important element....where! if this is dx...then please realioze that the fcc and owner/operators does not care about dx-ers and hobbyists. you are trying to hang onto the past. I notice he didn't respond.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Listener complaints http://stopiboc.com/documents/iboccomdments.pdf Wow...more anonmous complaints...on an anonymous blog! Don't you love the internet! Keep us chuckling HDRF! |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
Bert Case, on 5:00 PM WLBT tv news said an Amtrack Train collided with a
vehicle near McComb,mississippi.I think Berrrrrrt Case said McComb. Like he says sometimes, Berrrrrrrrt Case, WLBT news! www.WLBT.com If that Amtrack Train had collided with a vehicle in New Yawk, it would INSTANTLY be World Wide News! Am I lieing? Lets me gitz back to woiking in mah kitchen now, ahh needs tu unass that big filthy nasty ass G.E.refrigerator OUT of thar.Yesterydey, I unassed that big G.E.electric stove OUT of mah kitchen anna tudey ahh took it tu The Can Man scrap iron yard onna Valley Street.I will NEVER EVER buy any kind of damn G.E.appliance sh.i EVER AGAIN! That POS G.E.refrigerator is only about eleven years old.FU.K YOU G.E.home appliances!!! cuhulin |
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All this noise about HD.. bla, bla, bla...
The public doesn't care about hd, because there's nothing worth listening too.. So if nobody is listening how could their be any complaints.. |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
On Oct 8, 3:36 am, "~ RHF" wrote:
D'Oh a Rabid NFL Fan {Fanatic} would say HOORAY ! while listening to the 24/7 "Team Spirit" HD-2 Radio Station. What's the revenue model? Is the team going to pay for it like an SCA? Or is it supposed to self-support on sales? What programming will be so compelling that (let's say) 10,000 Raiders fans will get HD radios just to hear it? Will there be two such stations in this area or just one shared between the two teams? |
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"Eric C. Weaver" wrote in message ... On Oct 8, 3:36 am, "~ RHF" wrote: D'Oh a Rabid NFL Fan {Fanatic} would say HOORAY ! while listening to the 24/7 "Team Spirit" HD-2 Radio Station. What's the revenue model? Is the team going to pay for it like an SCA? Or is it supposed to self-support on sales? What programming will be so compelling that (let's say) 10,000 Raiders fans will get HD radios just to hear it? Will there be two such stations in this area or just one shared between the two teams? I have serious doubts as to the viability of such a venture. The games are already carried on TV and radio, including pre and post game shows. I really can't feature anyone paying a bunch of extra money for yet another radio to hear pretty much what they already get on their $40 boom box they've had for years. |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
On Oct 21, 7:03*am, "Eric C. Weaver" wrote:
On Oct 8, 3:36 am, "~ RHF" wrote: D'Oh a Rabid NFL Fan {Fanatic} would say HOORAY ! while listening to the 24/7 "Team Spirit" HD-2 Radio Station. What's the revenue model? * Is the team going to pay for it like an SCA? *Or is it supposed to self-support on sales? What programming will be so compelling that (let's say) 10,000 Raiders fans will get HD radios just to hear it? *Will there be two such stations in this area or just one shared between the two teams? 'fan' = FANATIC = Rabid NFL Fans = Advertisers New Dallas Cowboy's Stadium Costs One Billion Dollars -and- you ask where the money will come from for a 24/7 "Team Spirit" HD-2 Radio Channel {one word : peanuts} ;-) ~ RHF IBOC - FM HD-Radio Will Come-of-Age Around 2015 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...70bdb32c6cf8bb and the CPB & NPR funded by the US Congress will be leading the way . . . with more Power and many more HD-2 Channels serving all that 'Public Interest' ~ RHF |
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On Oct 19, 1:16�pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 16, 12:10?pm, "Watchin & Waitin'" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 9, 1:41?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , "~ RHF" wrote: FM HD-Radio and the HD-2 Channels are about Expanding the FM Radio Business and the minor technical issues are simply the cost of doing more business. The broadcasters being interfered with don't consider such interference a "minor technical issue". Can you state a broadcaster that is being interfered with in their protected contours? Again, if this is so prevailent, why isn't there a pile of listeners complaints at the FCC? Bob Savage WYSL for one. #1...he is not a listener. #2....why is he the only example that gets brought up when someone asks about the so-called intereference. #3.....WYSL is a badly designed facility that is attempting to service a market from 25 miles out of town with, what, 500 watts? but dont let the truth get in the way.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Midwest Television, licensee of KFMB(AM), a Class B in San Diego, has submitted a second interference complaint to the commission about Kiertron, licensee of KBRT(AM), a Class D in More cut/paste nonsense that no one is going to read.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You certainly seem worrired about all of those cut-and-pastes - Not worried about them...just tired of them, your just adding white noise.. This is a discussion group....not a hit & run group. If you can't get involved with discussion...or understand that people come to different conclusions....then you need some professional help.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - LOL! You need to try a more original personal attack - I've already heard that one! LOL! |
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On Oct 19, 1:15�pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:39?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal would be protected. That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being protected nationwide are over. Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just move on to something else. The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research. There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no indication that people "move onto something else". I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid 60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve coverage, and mostly automated. The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's "good enough" and the public isn't complaining. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no longer listen too due to HD radio. "Dave Barnett" wrote in message ... Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They just move on to something else. I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. Dave B.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ?Do you work for iBiquity, the NAB, or the HD Radio Alliance? Is this directed at me? Nope. ?None of them. ?I have no allegiances. ?I just get a kick out of playing rope-a-dope with the HD haters like you. ?;-) Now a question for you: -Do you have a job? -Do you have a life? -Do you have a family...or a spouse...or are you simply obsessivbely compulsively living in the wake of iBiquity and Struble? ?;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I love all of this attention! Typical of IBOC boosters to launch a series of personal attacks, when they have no counter-arguments. I've heard it all - LOL! I love this denial of reality! �Typical of HD radio nutcakes to ignore the arguments put forth and the realies presented and launch a series of cut/pastes when they can't engage in a discussion. �Post a& run! Oh wait, you're tending to that "blog" that thousands of bots read each day!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are those "bots" from Clear Channel, General Motros, Ford, DOJ, FCC, etc, etc..? LOL! |
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On Oct 19, 1:19�pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:33?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: I am more up-to date than you could imagine. There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area. No, I'M much more up-to-date than YOU could ever imagine: There are still people in this newsgroup that bemoan stereo.!! Let's ask the 25,000 visitors that I have gotten from around the world. The visitors don't all agree with you. ?Most of them are bots. Oh, really - here's my Google Analytics since June 2009: http://tisnyurl.com/yfyheqe Probably just people (like me) who went to your site to see who the HD radio nutcake really is! And we found out! �Just anonother anonymous blogger who likes to play fast and loose with facts, is far from the reality of the broadcast business, and lives in his others basement! Blog on!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You're right - all of those bogus articles from Radio World, RBR, DIYmedia, etc... LOL! |
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On Oct 19, 1:20*pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:40?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "Watchin & Waitin'" wrote in ... "HD Radio Farce" wrote in message .... On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal would be protected. That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being protected nationwide are over. Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just move on to something else. The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research. There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no indication that people "move onto something else". I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid 60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve coverage, and mostly automated. The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's "good enough" and the public isn't complaining. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no longer listen too due to HD radio. "Dave Barnett" wrote in message ... Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They just move on to something else. I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. Dave B.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ?WOR clobbers WLW, WLW clobbers WOR, WBZ clobbers WHO, WCBS clobbers WWL, WBBM clobbers WABC, etc... but you left out the important element....where! if this is dx...then please realioze that the fcc and owner/operators does not care about dx-ers and hobbyists. you are trying to hang onto the past. I notice he didn't respond.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Listener complaints http://stopiboc.com/documents/iboccomdments.pdf Wow...more anonmous complaints...on an anonymous blog! Don't you love the internet! Keep us chuckling HDRF!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - stopiboc.com is not an anonymous blog - if you visited stopibc.com you would see thatr it is run by Bob Savage WYSL. Like Struble, you talk out of your ass: "HD Radio Initiatives: Today's New Opportunities" "Struble began the session by citing the latest HD radio sales and broadcaster data. He noted that while sales of HD Radios are sharply increasing, especially with the new portable Best Buy Insignia and Zune HD models, the economy and declining station revenues have slowed adoption a bit on the broadcaster side. We’re selling millions, but we need to be selling in the tens of millions.” http://tinyurl.com/yjpsuvz "Struble: Radio Is the Last Analog Medium Standing" "Insignia HD — I think this will be a nice little interim step for jogging or working out. It proves the viability [of the technology] and hopefully we'll get sales; but no, this is not going to sell in the hundreds of thousands... Radio alone — the sad reality of where it is — as a standalone device, it just doesn't exist anymore as a category. Nobody goes into Best Buy and says 'Where's the radio department?'" http://www.rwonline.com/article/87370 So, which is it, Bob Struble? I think we all know the answer - LOL! |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
On Oct 19, 1:09�pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:29?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 16, 1:52?pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 10/16/09 12:08 , SMS wrote: Dave Barnett wrote: Is there some big up-front payment you have to make to iBiquity, because the equipment certainly doesn't cost anything close to $100K? ? ?Yeah, actually, it does. The digital system is virtually a separate system, requiring separate transmitters and towers. ? ?Followed by the ongoing licensing fee to iBiquity for the right to use the encoding algorithms, which are proprietary. "I-Bust or H-Doomed" "In these trying times, it should be Another cut/paste by the HD nut. "Another cut/paste by the HD nut." At least, I don't obsessively cut-and-paste the same thing over and over - LOL! Yes, you do...same articles over and over. �No independent thought or ability to engage.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I just post valid articles, and do not give personal opinions for legal reasons - therefore, my blog falls under Section 230 protections of Federal Law: http://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/230 |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
On Oct 19, 1:11�pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:24?pm, RHF wrote: On Oct 16, 2:25?pm, HD Radio Farce wrote: On Oct 16, 3:22 pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 10/16/09 14:07 , John Higdon wrote: Oh, and don't forget the studio, the new digital STL, monitoring equipment, and the fact that HD equipment currently in the field is notoriously unreliable. Fortunately, most stations don't care that much because their three HD listeners don't phone in to complain. You know what's really interesting about that whole HD Listener thing,...is that people see this as an opportunity for a station to garner new revenues by attracting new listeners. Reality paints a much different picture than the public perceives. First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from some pre-existing program source. Any new programming outlet steals it's listeners from the existing 100 share. So, literally, stations are hoping to steal their own listeners to put them on the HD streams. What's that, you say? They stay in the family? Really? Well, while a listener shift from the baseband channel to the HD2 stream DOES keep that listener within the company, it takes that listener from the programs of high advertising rates, and puts them on the programs of LOW advertising rates. Enough listeners make that shift, and the baseband channel's advertising rates fall. Meanwhile the HD stream's rates are abysmally low mostly because there is virtually no listenership. Most advertising on HD at the moment is value added to the baseband's sales packages. That which isn't, is low rated. And the advertising revenues per spot are dramatically less than the revenues per spot on the baseband. So, what HD is really doing is robbing the analog channels of it's revenues while putting the ratings points on HD streams that can't begin to replace the lost revenue from the baseband. How the hell the bean counters at these stations let that go is beyond me. Hell, when I was at CBS, we reused the toner in the copy machine, for cryin' out loud. Drop $100,000 + on HD and then let it siphon off the ad rates? C'mon. - Exactly, as there is something called ION! ? ION ?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "We Might Want to Keep an Eye on ION" "If the commission embraces the notion that secondary digital streams really do constitute separate Wow! �A REPEAT Cut/paste!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And, a good one - here's more on that from Pargon Media Strategies, which said the same thing: http://www.paragonmediastrategies.co...p=437#more-437 |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2Channels
On Oct 19, 1:10*pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:08 pm, RHF wrote: On Oct 17, 9:43 am, HD Radio Farce wrote: On Oct 17, 2:27 am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , SMS wrote: D. Peter Maus wrote: First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from some pre-existing program source. It's coming from listeners that would otherwise be listening to their iPod, CDs, or digital media (in the car or not in the car) because there's nothing on analog AM or FM that they want to listen to. HD radio is much more likely to be stealing customers from satellite radio than from analog FM. If "killer programming" is going to be available on HD, why not put it on analog FM now? As someone who used to work in Classical radio, you realize that those formats are dropping like flies. Classical could find a nice home on HD-2 channels....and some NPR outlets are doing news/talk on their HD1....and doing classical on their HD2. The formats available on HD2 (and 3) are going to be niche programming. Enough listeners to sustain it, but not enough to warrant an $70 million dollar signal. One of the biggest problems classical formats have had is balancing the listeners who like choral & opera....with those who don't! This one of the great uses of secondary streams. HD2 can be all choral & opera. COuntry formats that feature 90's and todays music...can put 60's/70's on the decondary HD2 channel.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Struble: HD Addresses The ’Long Tail’" "Bob Struble, President/CEO of HD Radio developer iBiquity Digital, says in his latest column on the iBiquity website that HD technology can help radio address the Long Tail of consumer interest... Analog radio cannot effectively serve the Long Tail, Struble writes... But HD Radio, he says, gives radio broadcasters an economically viable way to address the Long Tail with niche formats on HD2 and HD3 subchannels.... I got a bunch of thought provoking comments on The Long Tail column, and the usual suspects questioning my sanity and family background." http://www.hdradio.com/the_buzz.php?thebuzz=315 "Harvard Business Review: Should You Invest in the Long Tail?" "Chris Anderson, editor of Wired magazine, argues that the sudden availability of niche offerings more closely tailored to their tastes will lure consumers away from homogenized hits. The 'tail' of the sales distribution curve, he says, will become longer, fatter, and more profitable. Elberse, a professor at Harvard Business School, set out to investigate whether Anderson's long-tail theory is actually playing out in today's markets. She focused on the music and home- video industries -- two markets that Anderson and others frequently hold up as examples of the long tail in action -- reviewing sales data from Nielsen SoundScan, Nielsen VideoScan, the online music service Rhapsody, and the Australian DVD-by-mail service Quickflix. What she found may surprise you: Blockbusters are capturing even more of the market than they used to, and consumers in the tail don't really like niche products much." http://www.citeulike.org/user/mmkurth/article/2984768 There is no viable business-model for niche formats on the HD channels - Struble should have known that, since he is a Harvard MBA Baker Scholar. Perhaps, he doesn't read the Harvard Busines Review, or more likely, is just lying, as we all know. "CC Radio’s Format Lab gone?" "So bottom line, the Format Lab is no longer available on the web and has cut some of its formats down to the most successful/desirable. Thewww.iHeartMusic.comwebsiteseemsto only list the main audio streams of CC stations--not multicast HD formats--but does offer a few off to the side: erockster; Pride; Verizon New Music; Smooth Jazz; Real Oldies; Slow Jams and New Country. There used to be something close to 100 formats listed on the site." http://www.rbr.com/radio/11252.html "Bonneville pulls iChannel Music" "Bonneville has pulled the plug on its iChannel Music HD Network and streaming. - For the most part, it has replaced the HD multicast - with WorldBand Media content (brokered ethnic - programming). HDRF - As you point out "World Band Media" content (brokered ethnic programming) is a Profitable {Successful} use of HD-2 Channels for FM Radio Stations. ~ RHF iChannel allowed indie bands to upload their music online for consideration... We commend Bonneville for giving it a shot—it allowed radio to expose a lot of new, unsigned indie bands from around the world. CC Radio's eRockster HD2 format is still around at a good handful of stations and still outstanding. If that gets shuttered, a good bunch of us just might be done with HD Radio listening altoghether." http://www.rbr.com/radio/12113.html Yup, these niche formats have been a failure! LOL!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ? Prove it! More farce from the HD Radio broadcasters and iNiquity. More inabilty to see reality from the HD Radio Nutcase and Enihborhood Mental HEalth Patient.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Boring... |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 19, 1:09?pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:29?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 16, 1:52?pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 10/16/09 12:08 , SMS wrote: Dave Barnett wrote: Is there some big up-front payment you have to make to iBiquity, because the equipment certainly doesn't cost anything close to $100K? ? ?Yeah, actually, it does. The digital system is virtually a separate system, requiring separate transmitters and towers. ? ?Followed by the ongoing licensing fee to iBiquity for the right to use the encoding algorithms, which are proprietary. "I-Bust or H-Doomed" "In these trying times, it should be Another cut/paste by the HD nut. "Another cut/paste by the HD nut." At least, I don't obsessively cut-and-paste the same thing over and over - LOL! Yes, you do...same articles over and over. ?No independent thought or ability to engage.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I just post valid articles, If you want to just follow others, fine be a follower. If you want to use your mind and engage in civil discourse, then your thought would be more respected. I think you simply post other articles (over and over) because actually thinking would take too much time, and spamming evry group on the internet is so much more efficient. |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 19, 1:10 pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:08 pm, RHF wrote: On Oct 17, 9:43 am, HD Radio Farce wrote: On Oct 17, 2:27 am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , SMS wrote: D. Peter Maus wrote: First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from some pre-existing program source. It's coming from listeners that would otherwise be listening to their iPod, CDs, or digital media (in the car or not in the car) because there's nothing on analog AM or FM that they want to listen to. HD radio is much more likely to be stealing customers from satellite radio than from analog FM. If "killer programming" is going to be available on HD, why not put it on analog FM now? As someone who used to work in Classical radio, you realize that those formats are dropping like flies. Classical could find a nice home on HD-2 channels....and some NPR outlets are doing news/talk on their HD1....and doing classical on their HD2. The formats available on HD2 (and 3) are going to be niche programming. Enough listeners to sustain it, but not enough to warrant an $70 million dollar signal. One of the biggest problems classical formats have had is balancing the listeners who like choral & opera....with those who don't! This one of the great uses of secondary streams. HD2 can be all choral & opera. COuntry formats that feature 90's and todays music...can put 60's/70's on the decondary HD2 channel.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Struble: HD Addresses The ’Long Tail’" "Bob Struble, President/CEO of HD Radio developer iBiquity Digital, says in his latest column on the iBiquity website that HD technology can help radio address the Long Tail of consumer interest... Analog radio cannot effectively serve the Long Tail, Struble writes... But HD Radio, he says, gives radio broadcasters an economically viable way to address the Long Tail with niche formats on HD2 and HD3 subchannels... I got a bunch of thought provoking comments on The Long Tail column, and the usual suspects questioning my sanity and family background." http://www.hdradio.com/the_buzz.php?thebuzz=315 "Harvard Business Review: Should You Invest in the Long Tail?" "Chris Anderson, editor of Wired magazine, argues that the sudden availability of niche offerings more closely tailored to their tastes will lure consumers away from homogenized hits. The 'tail' of the sales distribution curve, he says, will become longer, fatter, and more profitable. Elberse, a professor at Harvard Business School, set out to investigate whether Anderson's long-tail theory is actually playing out in today's markets. She focused on the music and home- video industries -- two markets that Anderson and others frequently hold up as examples of the long tail in action -- reviewing sales data from Nielsen SoundScan, Nielsen VideoScan, the online music service Rhapsody, and the Australian DVD-by-mail service Quickflix. What she found may surprise you: Blockbusters are capturing even more of the market than they used to, and consumers in the tail don't really like niche products much." http://www.citeulike.org/user/mmkurth/article/2984768 There is no viable business-model for niche formats on the HD channels - Struble should have known that, since he is a Harvard MBA Baker Scholar. Perhaps, he doesn't read the Harvard Busines Review, or more likely, is just lying, as we all know. "CC Radio’s Format Lab gone?" "So bottom line, the Format Lab is no longer available on the web and has cut some of its formats down to the most successful/desirable. Thewww.iHeartMusic.comwebsiteseemsto only list the main audio streams of CC stations--not multicast HD formats--but does offer a few off to the side: erockster; Pride; Verizon New Music; Smooth Jazz; Real Oldies; Slow Jams and New Country. There used to be something close to 100 formats listed on the site." http://www.rbr.com/radio/11252.html "Bonneville pulls iChannel Music" "Bonneville has pulled the plug on its iChannel Music HD Network and streaming. - For the most part, it has replaced the HD multicast - with WorldBand Media content (brokered ethnic - programming). HDRF - As you point out "World Band Media" content (brokered ethnic programming) is a Profitable {Successful} use of HD-2 Channels for FM Radio Stations. ~ RHF iChannel allowed indie bands to upload their music online for consideration... We commend Bonneville for giving it a shot—it allowed radio to expose a lot of new, unsigned indie bands from around the world. CC Radio's eRockster HD2 format is still around at a good handful of stations and still outstanding. If that gets shuttered, a good bunch of us just might be done with HD Radio listening altoghether." http://www.rbr.com/radio/12113.html Yup, these niche formats have been a failure! LOL!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ? Prove it! More farce from the HD Radio broadcasters and iNiquity. More inabilty to see reality from the HD Radio Nutcase and Enihborhood Mental HEalth Patient.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Boring... Nutcase..... |
IBOC : FM HD-Radio - The Trend-to-Watch - Money Making HD-2 Channels
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 19, 1:11?pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:24?pm, RHF wrote: On Oct 16, 2:25?pm, HD Radio Farce wrote: On Oct 16, 3:22 pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 10/16/09 14:07 , John Higdon wrote: Oh, and don't forget the studio, the new digital STL, monitoring equipment, and the fact that HD equipment currently in the field is notoriously unreliable. Fortunately, most stations don't care that much because their three HD listeners don't phone in to complain. You know what's really interesting about that whole HD Listener thing,...is that people see this as an opportunity for a station to garner new revenues by attracting new listeners. Reality paints a much different picture than the public perceives. First, there is only a 100 share in any market. New listeners are not printed up like $100 bills in Washington. They have to be taken from some pre-existing program source. Any new programming outlet steals it's listeners from the existing 100 share. So, literally, stations are hoping to steal their own listeners to put them on the HD streams. What's that, you say? They stay in the family? Really? Well, while a listener shift from the baseband channel to the HD2 stream DOES keep that listener within the company, it takes that listener from the programs of high advertising rates, and puts them on the programs of LOW advertising rates. Enough listeners make that shift, and the baseband channel's advertising rates fall. Meanwhile the HD stream's rates are abysmally low mostly because there is virtually no listenership. Most advertising on HD at the moment is value added to the baseband's sales packages. That which isn't, is low rated. And the advertising revenues per spot are dramatically less than the revenues per spot on the baseband. So, what HD is really doing is robbing the analog channels of it's revenues while putting the ratings points on HD streams that can't begin to replace the lost revenue from the baseband. How the hell the bean counters at these stations let that go is beyond me. Hell, when I was at CBS, we reused the toner in the copy machine, for cryin' out loud. Drop $100,000 + on HD and then let it siphon off the ad rates? C'mon. - Exactly, as there is something called ION! ? ION ?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "We Might Want to Keep an Eye on ION" "If the commission embraces the notion that secondary digital streams really do constitute separate Wow! ?A REPEAT Cut/paste!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And, a good one - here's more If you want to just follow others, fine be a follower. If you want to use your mind and engage in civil discourse, then your thought would be more respected. I think you simply post other articles (over and over) because actually thinking would take too much time, and spamming evry group on the internet is so much more efficient. |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 19, 1:20 pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:40?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "Watchin & Waitin'" wrote in ... "HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal would be protected. That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being protected nationwide are over. Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just move on to something else. The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research. There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no indication that people "move onto something else". I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid 60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve coverage, and mostly automated. The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's "good enough" and the public isn't complaining. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no longer listen too due to HD radio. "Dave Barnett" wrote in message ... Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They just move on to something else. I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. Dave B.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ?WOR clobbers WLW, WLW clobbers WOR, WBZ clobbers WHO, WCBS clobbers WWL, WBBM clobbers WABC, etc... but you left out the important element....where! if this is dx...then please realioze that the fcc and owner/operators does not care about dx-ers and hobbyists. you are trying to hang onto the past. I notice he didn't respond.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Listener complaints http://stopiboc.com/documents/iboccomdments.pdf Wow...more anonmous complaints...on an anonymous blog! Don't you love the internet! Keep us chuckling HDRF!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - stopiboc.com is not an anonymous blog - if you visited stopibc.com you would see thatr it is run by Bob Savage WYSL. No, but HD Radio Farce is anonymous! LMFAO! ANd Savage, has a monetary stake in the game! LOL! |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 19, 1:19?pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:33?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: I am more up-to date than you could imagine. There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. Reminds me of the engineers who didn't want to turn on the stereo pilot...because they were afraid to give up any coverage area. No, I'M much more up-to-date than YOU could ever imagine: There are still people in this newsgroup that bemoan stereo.!! Let's ask the 25,000 visitors that I have gotten from around the world. The visitors don't all agree with you. ?Most of them are bots. Oh, really - here's my Google Analytics since June 2009: http://tisnyurl.com/yfyheqe Probably just people (like me) who went to your site to see who the HD radio nutcake really is! And we found out! ?Just anonother anonymous blogger who likes to play fast and loose with facts, is far from the reality of the broadcast business, and lives in his others basement! Blog on!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You're right - all of those bogus articles from Radio World, RBR, DIYmedia, etc... LOL! If you want to just follow others, fine be a follower. If you want to use your mind and engage in civil discourse, then your thought would be more respected. I think you simply post other articles (over and over) because actually thinking would take too much time, and spamming evry group on the internet is so much more efficient. |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 19, 1:15?pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:39?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal would be protected. That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being protected nationwide are over. Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just move on to something else. The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research. There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no indication that people "move onto something else". I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid 60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve coverage, and mostly automated. The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's "good enough" and the public isn't complaining. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no longer listen too due to HD radio. "Dave Barnett" wrote in message ... Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They just move on to something else. I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. Dave B.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ?Do you work for iBiquity, the NAB, or the HD Radio Alliance? Is this directed at me? Nope. ?None of them. ?I have no allegiances. ?I just get a kick out of playing rope-a-dope with the HD haters like you. ?;-) Now a question for you: -Do you have a job? -Do you have a life? -Do you have a family...or a spouse...or are you simply obsessivbely compulsively living in the wake of iBiquity and Struble? ?;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I love all of this attention! Typical of IBOC boosters to launch a series of personal attacks, when they have no counter-arguments. I've heard it all - LOL! I love this denial of reality! ?Typical of HD radio nutcakes to ignore the arguments put forth and the realies presented and launch a series of cut/pastes when they can't engage in a discussion. ?Post a& run! Oh wait, you're tending to that "blog" that thousands of bots read each day!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are those "bots" from Clear Channel, General Motros, Ford, DOJ, FCC, etc, etc..? LOL! No, these are people curious to know who the nutcake spammer is! LOL! And I looked at your analyticals....most of your visitors are no from the above names companies! LMFAO! Also, I went to your web page...am I considered one of your followers? LOL! |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 19, 1:16?pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 16, 12:10?pm, "Watchin & Waitin'" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 9, 1:41?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "John Higdon" wrote in message ... In article , "~ RHF" wrote: FM HD-Radio and the HD-2 Channels are about Expanding the FM Radio Business and the minor technical issues are simply the cost of doing more business. The broadcasters being interfered with don't consider such interference a "minor technical issue". Can you state a broadcaster that is being interfered with in their protected contours? Again, if this is so prevailent, why isn't there a pile of listeners complaints at the FCC? Bob Savage WYSL for one. #1...he is not a listener. #2....why is he the only example that gets brought up when someone asks about the so-called intereference. #3.....WYSL is a badly designed facility that is attempting to service a market from 25 miles out of town with, what, 500 watts? but dont let the truth get in the way.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "Midwest Television, licensee of KFMB(AM), a Class B in San Diego, has submitted a second interference complaint to the commission about Kiertron, licensee of KBRT(AM), a Class D in More cut/paste nonsense that no one is going to read.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You certainly seem worrired about all of those cut-and-pastes - Not worried about them...just tired of them, your just adding white noise. This is a discussion group....not a hit & run group. If you can't get involved with discussion...or understand that people come to different conclusions....then you need some professional help.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - LOL! You need to try a more original personal attack - I've already heard that one! LOL! LOL! Yet you still can't form one independent thought can you? LMFAO! If you want to just follow others, fine be a follower. If you want to use your mind and engage in civil discourse, then your thought would be more respected. I think you simply post other articles (over and over) because actually thinking would take too much time, and spamming evry group on the internet is so much more efficient. |
HD Radio - Trend to watch: Team-branded HD2s !!
On Oct 26, 1:45�pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote:
"HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 19, 1:15?pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:39?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal would be protected. That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being protected nationwide are over. Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just move on to something else. The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research. There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no indication that people "move onto something else". I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid 60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve coverage, and mostly automated. The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's "good enough" and the public isn't complaining. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no longer listen too due to HD radio. "Dave Barnett" wrote in message ... Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They just move on to something else. I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. Dave B.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ?Do you work for iBiquity, the NAB, or the HD Radio Alliance? Is this directed at me? Nope. ?None of them. ?I have no allegiances. ?I just get a kick out of playing rope-a-dope with the HD haters like you. ?;-) Now a question for you: -Do you have a job? -Do you have a life? -Do you have a family...or a spouse...or are you simply obsessivbely compulsively living in the wake of iBiquity and Struble? ?;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I love all of this attention! Typical of IBOC boosters to launch a series of personal attacks, when they have no counter-arguments. I've heard it all - LOL! I love this denial of reality! ?Typical of HD radio nutcakes to ignore the arguments put forth and the realies presented and launch a series of cut/pastes when they can't engage in a discussion. ?Post a& run! Oh wait, you're tending to that "blog" that thousands of bots read each day!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are those "bots" from Clear Channel, General Motros, Ford, DOJ, FCC, etc, etc..? �LOL! No, these are people curious to know who the nutcake spammer is! �LOL! And I looked at your analyticals....most of your visitors are no from the above names companies! �LMFAO! Also, I went to your web page...am I considered one of your followers? �LOL!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My, my, I am making you pretty angry. |
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"HD Radio Farce" wrote in message ... On Oct 26, 1:45?pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 19, 1:15?pm, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 17, 2:39?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: "HD Radio Farce" wrote in ... On Oct 13, 1:35?am, "Jo Jo Gunn" wrote: Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. No, the FCC has made a judgement on how far and how long a stations signal would be protected. That's the established standard. ?The days of clear-channels being protected nationwide are over. Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. They just move on to something else. The large broadcast companies do engineering research and audience research. There has been no widespread complaints (if any at all), and there is no indication that people "move onto something else". I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. THe formats on HD are quiite similar to what was on FM in the early to mid 60's. ?Music intensive, non-commercial, some simulcasting to improve coverage, and mostly automated. The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. The public has had no complaints about HD audio quality. ?And like the qualities of MP3's, which is "nothing to write home about" either, it's "good enough" and the public isn't complaining. But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can no longer listen too due to HD radio. "Dave Barnett" wrote in message ... Jo Jo Gunn wrote: There has been no widespread interference complaints from the public...and virtually all stations are protected within their contours. That doesn't mean there's no interference. ?It's amazing how the proponents of HD Radio assume that receivers magically quit receiving a signal once they leave a station's protected contour. ?Plus, to the average listener an HD carrier sounds like white noise & they think it's weak signal. ?Nobody thinks to complain about interference. ?They just move on to something else. I've heard on and on about how great the HD-2 formats are going to be, but all I've observed is more lame cookie-cutter radio taking away the reception that I once enjoyed. ?The audio quality is nothing to write home about either. ?But HD radio has caused us to adapt. ?My wife & I listen to web radio more than terrestrial radio now, since there are fewer choices on the dial. Dave B.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ?Do you work for iBiquity, the NAB, or the HD Radio Alliance? Is this directed at me? Nope. ?None of them. ?I have no allegiances. ?I just get a kick out of playing rope-a-dope with the HD haters like you. ?;-) Now a question for you: -Do you have a job? -Do you have a life? -Do you have a family...or a spouse...or are you simply obsessivbely compulsively living in the wake of iBiquity and Struble? ?;-)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I love all of this attention! Typical of IBOC boosters to launch a series of personal attacks, when they have no counter-arguments. I've heard it all - LOL! I love this denial of reality! ?Typical of HD radio nutcakes to ignore the arguments put forth and the realies presented and launch a series of cut/pastes when they can't engage in a discussion. ?Post a& run! Oh wait, you're tending to that "blog" that thousands of bots read each day!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are those "bots" from Clear Channel, General Motros, Ford, DOJ, FCC, etc, etc..? ?LOL! No, these are people curious to know who the nutcake spammer is! ?LOL! And I looked at your analyticals....most of your visitors are no from the above names companies! ?LMFAO! Also, I went to your web page...am I considered one of your followers? ?LOL!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My, my, I am making you pretty angry. i think he's laughing out loud lol.....not angry. hes laughing at you. |
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