I'd be interested in knowing where you are, and what station(s) you can
no
longer listen too due to HD radio.


I live sometimes in the San Francisco Bay Area and sometimes in Pioneer,
CA (in the Sierras) In my case the interference happened on these
frequencies:

107.5 KPIG - used to be receivable throughout the South Bay until 107.7 in
San Francisco turned on HD

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat...atus=L&hours=U

95.9 KRSH - we used to listen to them at home before 95.7 turned on HD,
generally too weak to hear in a car.

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat...atus=L&hours=U

91.5 KKUP - used to be receivable way up the peninsula and into Oakland
before 91.7 turned on HD

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat...atus=L&hours=U

89.5 KVMR - used to be receivable throughout Sacramento until 89.3 turned
on HD

http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat...atus=L&hours=U


Most radio stations do not make any money from DX listeners. Stations are
not interested in servicing areas outside of their assigned license.

People listening in the metro area of a signals are going to be deprived so
a few people on the outskirts are able to pick up an out of town signal?

Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

(radiolocator links deleted to save a little bandwidth)

You actually proved my point. The blue area (while we all know that's
only predicted) is just about exactly where I used to receive the
signals on my stock 1996 Chevy pickup FM radio in the pre-HD days. KVMR
was a little better because their transmitter is so high off the valley
floor.

Most radio stations do not make any money from DX listeners. Stations are
not interested in servicing areas outside of their assigned license.

KPIG used to have ads for Streetlight Records in San Jose, as well as
some of the Stevens Creek car dealers. KVMR was very interested in
their ability to cover Sacramento. So much so that they had a
translator there for a while. While your statement is probably correct
for the conglomerates, there certainly are exceptions.

People listening in the metro area of a signals are going to be deprived so
a few people on the outskirts are able to pick up an out of town signal?

Given the penetration of HD receivers, you could also say "a few people
in the metro area of a signal are going to be deprived" so that other
people in the metro can pick up a weaker signal. I check the HD-2
broadcasts of our local channels probably twice a week just to see if
they decided to do anything interesting. Sometimes I hear silence,
sometimes the same song over & over, sometimes the PAD doesn't match the
program, and sometimes the errors go unnoticed for days. That probably
means nobody is listening.

There's no way of knowing for sure, but I suspect that the number of
listeners that KKUP lost in the Bay Area far exceeds the number of
people listening to KALW in HD. Likewise, the number of listeners that
KVMR lost in Sacramento probably exceeds the number of people listening
to KQEI in HD. Also - why is it that the interference area extends so
far beyond where an HD radio will lock? Is the system really that bad?

Dave B.

"Dave Barnett" wrote in message
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Jo Jo Gunn wrote:

(radiolocator links deleted to save a little bandwidth)

You actually proved my point. The blue area (while we all know that's
only predicted) is just about exactly where I used to receive the signals
on my stock 1996 Chevy pickup FM radio in the pre-HD days. KVMR was a
little better because their transmitter is so high off the valley floor.

i think you made his point...that you are a fringe listener.

Most radio stations do not make any money from DX listeners. Stations
are not interested in servicing areas outside of their assigned license.

KPIG used to have ads for Streetlight Records in San Jose, as well as some
of the Stevens Creek car dealers. KVMR was very interested in their
ability to cover Sacramento. So much so that they had a translator there
for a while. While your statement is probably correct for the
conglomerates, there certainly are exceptions.

having one record store or a car dealer advertising is not an indicator that
much money was pulled from that area. it could have been part of a multi
station buy, rep firm, or a dealer looking to take advantage of a hole in
the market.

People listening in the metro area of a signals are going to be deprived
so a few people on the outskirts are able to pick up an out of town
signal?

Given the penetration of HD receivers, you could also say "a few people in
the metro area of a signal are going to be deprived" so that other people
in the metro can pick up a weaker signal. I check the HD-2 broadcasts of
our local channels probably twice a week just to see if they decided to do
anything interesting. Sometimes I hear silence, sometimes the same song
over & over, sometimes the PAD doesn't match the program, and sometimes
the errors go unnoticed for days. That probably means nobody is
listening.

like jo jo said....like FM in the early days. I remember hearing automation
fail on the early FM's...and i was always interested in how long it would be
before someone at the station noticed. multiple sources audio dead air
an element repeating over and over.

doesnt mean no one was listening.

;-)


There's no way of knowing for sure, but I suspect that the number of
listeners that KKUP lost in the Bay Area far exceeds the number of people
listening to KALW in HD. Likewise, the number of listeners that KVMR lost
in Sacramento probably exceeds the number of people listening to KQEI in
HD.

thats right...you'll never know...so you can only speculate. however, the
people with the money at risk, the investors and mangers who see the
research have a better understanding of where the listeners are and wherre
the money is. i trust their understanding of this is better than yours

Also - why is it that the interference area extends so far beyond where an
HD radio will lock? Is the system really that bad?

dx-ers have to put up with all sorts of stuff....it's the nature of the
game. stations dont care about dx-ers.....fcc doesn't care about
dxers....it's table scraps u take what you can get