On 05/31/2010 06:55 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 05/30/2010 01:53 PM, RHF wrote:
Recently bought a 2-Pack of GE Reveal CFL Light Bulbs at Walmart
that were rated at 100 Watt 'replacement' and uses only 26 Watts.

CFL = Compact Fluorescent Light
GE Reveal CFLs are Made in China

Ok so on the back of the package GE 'reveals'

"This product complies with Part 18 of the FCC Rules,
but [B-U-T] may cause interference [RFI] to radios,
televisions, wireless telephones, and remote controls.
* Avoid placing this product [CFL] near these devices.
* Do not install this product [CFL] near maritime safety
equipment or critical navigation or communication
equipment operating between 0.45-30 MHz."

and now you know ~ RHF

On 5/31/2010 2:06 AM, Bill Baka wrote:

For what it is worth. I went into the local Walmart and found generic
Chinese bulbs at $.99 and the identical bulbs labeled as GE or some
other American name brand at twice or even 5 times the price so all you
are getting is the American name and making the CEO a lot of money. I'll
bet they laugh all the way to the bank.

Well, you may be right...or you may be wrong.

You know these bulbs are -identical- how? You've seen the specs for both
brands, you've done a comparative chemical analysis of the gas and the
phosphor coating inside the bulbs, right? Oh, what's that you say? They
both -look- like CFLs so they must be identical?

You want to analyze them be my guest.

As an aside, got a friend that bought both the Chinese junkers and GE.
He claimed the warranty support for GE was great and non-existent for
the Chinese.

Whoa, big surprise there. Be still my trembling heart.

Finally, as to RFI... I've got two GE 3-way CFLs (50-100-150 watt
equivalent) very near my stereo receiver. There is subtle (but
noticeable) RFI when the receiver on and listening to the FM band. Yes,
you would think FM is immune to any amplitude modulated interference,
but the RFI IS there and goes away when the CFLs are turned off. Also,
bringing a Sony 2010 near the bulbs shows some mild RFI on some
frequencies, not all across the bands. If I wasn't so lazy, I would
break out the HP spectrum analyzer and take a look.

You just had to mention a personal spectrum analyzer. Now I'm jealous.
The CFL's run hot due 'Probably' to the drive electronics being as cheap
as they possibly can. Anyway I think the main source of noise is
something else. I unplugged my power strip on the other side of the room
and got a little less noise but still well above the Galactic noise
level or the receiver's. I bought some new CDL's and replaced the really
crummy ones, so it is getting better. The worst offender now is a touch
lamp that uses an SCR, but even off it produces noise, again made in China.

P.S.
Just in case you mistakenly think I am defending GE CEOs, I believe that
Neutron Jack Welch should have been put in jail long ago, rather than
being feted as a "business hero".

I use General Electric Reveal 60 Watters Incandesant Light Bulbs.I
probally have enough of them here Ergo to last me quite a while.I am
going to buy a LOT more of them too tree fo.My old buddy would say, They
will last you the rest of your life!
cuhulin

On May 31, 7:58*am, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:
On May 30, 1:53 pm, *wrote:
Recently bought a 2-Pack of GE Reveal CFL Light Bulbs at Walmart
that were rated at 100 Watt 'replacement' and uses only 26 Watts.

CFL = Compact Fluorescent Light
GE Reveal CFLs are Made in China

Ok so on the back of the package GE 'reveals'

"This product complies with Part 18 of the FCC Rules,
but [B-U-T] may cause interference [RFI] to radios,
televisions, wireless telephones, and remote controls.
* Avoid placing this product [CFL] near these devices.
* Do not install this product [CFL] near maritime safety
equipment or critical navigation or communication
equipment operating between 0.45-30 MHz."

and now you know ~ RHF
* .

The newer CFLs I have purchased appear to be radio-silent, at least at
HF freqs. *Still want LEDs, tho...

Fry's has an LED desk lamp for $22. *Kinda bluish but it only uses 3600 mA.

Cool! Maybe I'll check that out, thanks!

I think Office Depot stores sells some LED desk lights too.There are
some Office Depot (also Best Buy stores) stores around here, one of them
is about half a mile South of doggy's couch.Next I am floatin around
near that Office Depot store, if I think about it, I might stop off
there furr ah Looksee.

Some scientist people have discovered a way to make Aluminum
transparent.Cool!
cuhulin

Joe from Kokomo wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:

The newer CFLs I have purchased appear to be radio-silent, at least at
HF freqs. Still want LEDs, tho...

On 5/31/2010 10:58 AM, dave wrote:

Fry's has an LED desk lamp for $22. Kinda bluish but it only uses 3600
mA.

You added a zero, right?

3600 ma = 3.6 A X 120 volts = 432 watts. A mighty powerful desk lamp! :-)

I shouldn't try to be fancy early in the AM. I meant Milliwatts.

wrote:
http://www.devilfinder.com
LED Light Bulbs for your home

How about OLED Lighting? Wall and ceiling panels which light up your
home at the flip of a switch, and can be programed to turn on and off
automatically.It's coming, someday soon.
cuhulin


Flat panel TVs took 40 years. Don't hold your breath.

wrote:
I use General Electric Reveal 60 Watters Incandesant Light Bulbs.I
probally have enough of them here Ergo to last me quite a while.I am
going to buy a LOT more of them too tree fo.My old buddy would say, They
will last you the rest of your life!
cuhulin


Especially if you use them in pairs, wired in series. They will last
forever.

On 5/31/2010 2:06 AM, Bill Baka wrote:

For what it is worth. I went into the local Walmart and found generic
Chinese bulbs at $.99 and the identical bulbs labeled as GE or some
other American name brand at twice or even 5 times the price so all you
are getting is the American name and making the CEO a lot of money. I'll
bet they laugh all the way to the bank.

Well, you may be right...or you may be wrong.

You know these bulbs are -identical- how? You've seen the specs for both
brands, you've done a comparative chemical analysis of the gas and the
phosphor coating inside the bulbs, right? Oh, what's that you say? They
both -look- like CFLs so they must be identical?

On 5/31/2010 1:05 PM, Bill Baka wrote:

You want to analyze them be my guest.

ME analyze them? YOU were the one shooting from the hip when you said
they were -identical-. I just wanted YOU to defend YOUR statement. I am
still interested to know why you think they are identical.

As an aside, got a friend that bought both the Chinese junkers and GE.
He claimed the warranty support for GE was great and non-existent for
the Chinese.

On 5/31/2010 1:05 PM, Bill Baka wrote:

Whoa, big surprise there. Be still my trembling heart.

Well, maybe it -was- a big surprise to you, as you blamed it on CEO
greed...overlooking the fact that the price differential could be
related to a good warranty versus a poor or no warranty. (Not that we
don't have an overabundance of corporate greed). :-)

On 05/31/2010 03:32 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 5/31/2010 2:06 AM, Bill Baka wrote:

For what it is worth. I went into the local Walmart and found generic
Chinese bulbs at $.99 and the identical bulbs labeled as GE or some
other American name brand at twice or even 5 times the price so all you
are getting is the American name and making the CEO a lot of money.
I'll
bet they laugh all the way to the bank.

Well, you may be right...or you may be wrong.

You know these bulbs are -identical- how? You've seen the specs for both
brands, you've done a comparative chemical analysis of the gas and the
phosphor coating inside the bulbs, right? Oh, what's that you say? They
both -look- like CFLs so they must be identical?

On 5/31/2010 1:05 PM, Bill Baka wrote:

You want to analyze them be my guest.

ME analyze them? YOU were the one shooting from the hip when you said
they were -identical-. I just wanted YOU to defend YOUR statement. I am
still interested to know why you think they are identical.
I'm still not going to take the damn things apart and have the wife in a
fit.

As an aside, got a friend that bought both the Chinese junkers and GE.
He claimed the warranty support for GE was great and non-existent for
the Chinese.

On 5/31/2010 1:05 PM, Bill Baka wrote:

Whoa, big surprise there. Be still my trembling heart.

Well, maybe it -was- a big surprise to you, as you blamed it on CEO
greed...overlooking the fact that the price differential could be
related to a good warranty versus a poor or no warranty. (Not that we
don't have an overabundance of corporate greed). :-)

Tell that to the employees at Kodak who lost their jobs when the film
got too expensive and they moved to Mexico. Now the film division is
going down anyway. That corporate manager might not get his Porsche.

Do I feel sorry for the executive??
Hardly.

Not exactly light bulbs per se, but Sharp announces Quadtron LED 3D TVs.
http://www.techchee.com

Chee, far as I am concerned,,, too much money for the amount of bread.
I will wait for Holography TV.
Waiting, that will last me the rest of my life too.
cuhulin