On 9/17/2010 4:45 PM, dave wrote:

...
LEDs don't seem very cost effective, and the energy usage seems
comparable to CFLs.

When LEDs come into mass production, to the extent of CFLs, that will
fix the cost effectiveness ... a good LED consumes 50% the power of a
CFL, or better ... this efficiency is not as advanced as it will be in
the future.

Regards,
JS

On Sep 17, 6:57*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 9/17/2010 4:45 PM, dave wrote:

...
LEDs don't seem very cost effective, and the energy usage seems
comparable to CFLs.

When LEDs come into mass production, to the extent of CFLs, that will
fix the cost effectiveness ... a good LED consumes 50% the power of a
CFL, or better ... this efficiency is not as advanced as it will be in
the future.

Regards,
JS

There seems to be a surge in LED usage lately, mostly in cars and
traffic lights. I do like LEDs. They literally stay cool. But
expensive,for now.

On Sep 17, 9:46*pm, wrote:
On Sep 17, 6:57*pm, John Smith wrote:

On 9/17/2010 4:45 PM, dave wrote:

...
LEDs don't seem very cost effective, and the energy usage seems
comparable to CFLs.

When LEDs come into mass production, to the extent of CFLs, that will
fix the cost effectiveness ... a good LED consumes 50% the power of a
CFL, or better ... this efficiency is not as advanced as it will be in
the future.

Regards,
JS

- There seems to be a surge in LED usage lately, mostly in cars and
- traffic lights. I do like LEDs. They literally stay cool. *But
- expensive,for now.

Saves in the size of the Copper Wiring and
Reduces the Weight of the Car/Truck :
Because the LED uses less Current for
the same 12 VDC then the equivalent
Lumen's Rated Incandescent Bulbs.

Once Incandescent Light Bulbs are gone,,, that's IT,,, they are GONE!

This Cherish movie on the Encore channel right now is a right Good
movie.
cuhulin

On Sep 17, 4:45*pm, dave wrote:
John Smith wrote:
On 9/17/2010 1:00 PM, wrote:
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=295820

Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
democraps and libturds!!!
Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can.
cuhulin

Really, it is time to go LED ... if we ever need them, we can bring back
incandescent ...

Regards,
JS

LEDs don't seem very cost effective, and the energy usage seems
comparable to CFLs.

Rough 100 Watt Power Light Output Equivalents :

Old Incandescent Bulb Watts = 100 {Cost $1}

New CFL Bulb Watts = 26 : {Cost $4 ~ 4X}
INC to CFL 4:1

LED Bulb Claim Watts = 11 : {Cost $25 ~ 25X}
INC to LED 9:1
CFL to LED 2:1

IMHO - Currently The Best Bang For The Buck :
Is The CFL Bulb :
* Relative Initial Cost to Buy the 1st Bulb
* Longer Service Life and fewer Bulb Replacements
* * CFL Life = 13 INCs ~ 1-CFL = 1/3 of INC Total
* Fewer Watts Used per Hour/Month/Year/LC
Lower Energy Cost over it Total Life-Cycle


These Spiral {Mushroom} CFLs rated at
120 Watts Light Output {=Lumens} and use
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/289..._anion_CFL.jpg
only 30 Watts of Power are Good for Reading
Lights {Daylight} and Shine Well in most places
http://cgi.ebay.com/370294601763
a 100 Watt Incandescent Bulb was used before.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001A0GFCG/
In a Kitchen where they are switch On&Off many
times Daily and are "On" for 8~12 Hours Daily
these last about 3-Years before they don't
Light-Up anymore.

On Sep 17, 3:11*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 9/17/2010 1:00 PM, wrote:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=295820

Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
democraps and libturds!!!
Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can.
cuhulin

Really, it is time to go LED ... if we ever need them, we can bring back
incandescent ...

Regards,
JS

I have had 20+ LED Lights for 120-VAC
with the Standard USA E27-Base.

Only 4~6 have lasted more than a Year
with out going blank or loosing half the
individual LEDs in the Bulbs.

Some of these LEDs cost in the $20~$30

IMHO - LEDs are still : Not Ready for Prime Time.

These Mushroom CFLs rated at 120 Watts Light
http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/289..._anion_CFL.jpg
Output {=Lumens} and use only 30 Watts of Power
are Good for Reading Lights {Daylight} and Shine
http://cgi.ebay.com/370294601763
Well in most places a 100 Watt Incandescent Bulb
was used before.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001A0GFCG/

On Sep 17, 5:18*pm, RHF wrote:
On Sep 17, 3:11*pm, John Smith wrote:

On 9/17/2010 1:00 PM, wrote:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=295820

Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
democraps and libturds!!!
Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can..
cuhulin

Really, it is time to go LED ... if we ever need them, we can bring back
incandescent ...

Regards,
JS

- I have had 20+ LED Lights for 120-VAC
- with the Standard USA E27-Base.
-
- Only 4~6 have lasted more than a Year
- with out going blank or loosing half the
- individual LEDs in the Bulbs.
-
- Some of these LEDs cost in the $20~$30
-
- IMHO - LEDs are still : Not Ready for Prime Time.

But then again I have had some real good success
with some LEDs : Have 4 Outside Yellow LED Bug
& Security Lites for the Detached Garage that are
now 7 Years Old and run Nightly from D2D.
-use-only- 2 Watts Each -v- 13W

Recently bought a few LED Nite-Lite Bulbs that
actually are as Bright as a 7 Watt Incandescent
Light Bulb. -use-only- 2 Watts Each
-source- SuperBrightLEDs.Com
Model # E-12 WHP3
These were the first that were not too 'dim' to
actually use as a replacement for the older
7 Watt Incandescent Nite-Lite Bulbs
-note- the older 4 Watt Nite-Lite Incandescent
Bulbs were not 'bright' enough either.

- These Mushroom CFLs rated at 120 Watts Light
- http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/289..._anion_CFL.jpg
- Output {=Lumens} and use only 30 Watts of Power
- are Good for Reading Lights {Daylight} and Shine
- http://cgi.ebay.com/370294601763
- Well in most places a 100 Watt Incandescent Bulb
- was used before.http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001A0GFCG/
- .
- .

Also have some other Outside Cold Cathode CFLs
[CCFLs or C2FLs] that are now 3 Years Old and
run Nightly from D2D {Yellow Colored used as Bug
& Porch Lites} -use-only- 8 Watts Each -v-13W

Twain Harte, CA = Hot in the Summer and Icy
Cold in the Winter Snow . ~ RHF

On Sep 17, 4:00*pm, wrote:
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=295820

Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
democraps and libturds!!!
Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can.
cuhulin

Just make sure they are manufactured here and not in the Peoples
Republic. Last time I checked they still used a red banner. Guess some
people never had the 'privilege' of living under a complete
dictatoprship...

wrote:
On Sep 17, 4:00 pm, wrote:
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=295820

Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
democraps and libturds!!!
Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can.
cuhulin

Just make sure they are manufactured here and not in the Peoples
Republic. Last time I checked they still used a red banner. Guess some
people never had the 'privilege' of living under a complete
dictatoprship...

Most light bulbs are made in Eastern Europe. Do they even make medium
Edison base bulbs in N. America?

On Sep 17, 4:00*pm, wrote:
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=295820

Yes, Repeal the ban on the common light bulb! SCREW those Damn Commie
democraps and libturds!!!
Go to the stores, load up on common light bulbs! Get em while you can.
cuhulin

I'll burn hot incandescent light bulbs till they pull my cold dead
hands from them.