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Social Darwinism Is Insane (Mean People Suck)
On Oct 9, 8:24*am, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote: The 'City' should have an alternative to doing NOTHING. -example- Don't Pay the $75 Fire Services Fee in the County : Sign an On-the-Spot for a 1% 'City Lien' on Your Property. $100K Property Value =$1K Lien $250K Property Value =$2.5K Lien Sends the Message : PAY THE FIRE SERVIES FEE [.] ~ RHF * . Most adjacent districts have reciprocal agreements to help each other out. *No self-respecting fire chief would have done what this jerk did. - Roy knows better. - He lives in fire country. - He's just being a Fisk Hole. Yes 'Special Dave' I do reside in the "Red {Fire} Zone" and up here you need to know where your Fire Service is coming from depending upon where you reside. 1 - Twain Harte FD {Twain Harte Community Services District} 2 - CAL FIRE in Twain Harte {California State Dept Forestry} 3 - Tuolumne County FD [TCFD] 4 - Stanislaus National Forest Fire {US Dept Forestry} [FedFD] 5 + plus many more local Community Services Districts for Fire Services both Paid and/or Volunteer. Because Twain Harte FD has a 'Town' Level Fire Dept. The Fire Insurance Costs* for Residences in Twain Harte are way less then some areas in the County and Forest Lands that only have TCFD County and/or National Forest FedFD Fire Services. * One Dollar in County Property Taxes for a House in Twain Harte Saves Two Dollars in Fire Insurance Costs. Plus the THFD usually responds fast enough that your whole House does not Burn Down or Your Neighbor's House Fire does not end-up Burning Down your House too. -If- were relied on the Tuolumne County FD it would be a 10~15~20 Minute wait before the TCFD would be on the scene; and most likely the House would be totalled. But all of these FDs have Rules and Procedures that govern their "Mutual Aid" Agreements : None of the Community Locals would cross into another County or Federal Lands without a County Level or CAL FIRE Request/Authorization. IIRC - Each and Every of the Community Local's "Mutual Aid" Responses is reviewed by their FD Boards for proper procedural compliance. All the Local Officers "Chiefs" know this and Follow-the-Rules. They do not put their Men and Equipment AT RISK {and Their Own Job At Risk} by breaking the rules and not following procedures. FWIW - Each and Every one of the Mutual Aid Responses usually requires one to two or more back-up movements of Men and Equipment to adjust and fill-in for the Mutual Aid responding Men and Equipment. {Reallocation Limited Resources etc etc etc} hey - does anyone smell smoke . . . ~ RHF |
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Social Darwinism Is Insane (Mean People Suck)
RHF wrote:
king the rules and not following procedures. FWIW - Each and Every one of the Mutual Aid Responses usually requires one to two or more back-up movements of Men and Equipment to adjust and fill-in for the Mutual Aid responding Men and Equipment. {Reallocation Limited Resources etc etc etc} . . What a ****ing Bozo. It's a Mutual Aid situation all fire season long around here. And they move women and equipment too. |
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Social Darwinism Is Insane (Mean People Suck)
On Oct 8, 3:27*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Oct 7, 3:37*pm, RHF wrote: On Oct 7, 8:25*am, dave wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...s-fire-vic_b_7.... You put out the fire. If the homeowner hasn't paid the fee you bill them for the cost of fighting that fire. Like in an emergency room at the hospital. Fire was outside the City Limits in the County Area. The Firemen were City Employees following the Laws and Rules of the Mayor and City Council. So don't fault the Firemen : Fault the City's Management. The 'City' should have an alternative to doing NOTHING. -example- Don't Pay the $75 Fire Services Fee in the County : Sign an On-the-Spot for a 1% 'City Lien' on Your Property. $100K Property Value =$1K Lien $250K Property Value =$2.5K Lien Sends the Message : PAY THE FIRE SERVIES FEE [.] ~ RHF *. - Most adjacent districts have reciprocal agreements - to help each other out. "The City" does NOT have any "Reciprocal Agreement" with the County; because the County does NOT have a Fire Department {Fire Services District} for this Un-Incorporated Area : * This is the Counties Fault -Not- "The City's" * This is the Citizens/Residents of the Un-Incorporated Area's Fault -Not- "The City's" What "The City" Did Do Was Offer to the Citizens/ Residents of the Un-Incorporated Area's a Fire Services Fee of $75 Annually* : Which this County Citizens/Residents 'choose' NOT TO PAY [.] * A Subscription "Reciprocal Agreement" -*No self-respecting fire chief would have done - what this jerk did. Let's see the Fire Chief Fights the Fire and one of his Firemen gets Injured or some major Fire Equipment gets damaged. The Mayor and City Council FIRE the Fire Chief for 'Cause' for Failing to follow their Laws and Rules. Again Wondering . . . What Did The Home Owners Fire Insurance Company 'do' after the Fire . . . ~ RHF |
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Social Darwinism Is Insane (Mean People Suck)
On Oct 9, 3:15*pm, RHF wrote:
On Oct 8, 3:27*pm, bpnjensen wrote: On Oct 7, 3:37*pm, RHF wrote: On Oct 7, 8:25*am, dave wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...s-fire-vic_b_7... You put out the fire. If the homeowner hasn't paid the fee you bill them for the cost of fighting that fire. Like in an emergency room at the hospital. Fire was outside the City Limits in the County Area. The Firemen were City Employees following the Laws and Rules of the Mayor and City Council. So don't fault the Firemen : Fault the City's Management. The 'City' should have an alternative to doing NOTHING. -example- Don't Pay the $75 Fire Services Fee in the County : Sign an On-the-Spot for a 1% 'City Lien' on Your Property. $100K Property Value =$1K Lien $250K Property Value =$2.5K Lien Sends the Message : PAY THE FIRE SERVIES FEE [.] ~ RHF *. - Most adjacent districts have reciprocal agreements - to help each other out. "The City" does NOT have any "Reciprocal Agreement" with the County; because the County does NOT have a Fire Department {Fire Services District} for this Un-Incorporated Area : * This is the Counties Fault -Not- "The City's" * This is the Citizens/Residents of the Un-Incorporated Area's Fault -Not- "The City's" What "The City" Did Do Was Offer to the Citizens/ Residents of the Un-Incorporated Area's a Fire Services Fee of $75 Annually* : Which this County Citizens/Residents 'choose' NOT TO PAY [.] * A Subscription "Reciprocal Agreement" -*No self-respecting fire chief *would have done - what this jerk did. Let's see the Fire Chief Fights the Fire and one of his Firemen gets Injured or some major Fire Equipment gets damaged. The Mayor and City Council FIRE the Fire Chief for 'Cause' for Failing to follow their Laws and Rules. Again Wondering . . . What Did The Home Owners Fire Insurance Company 'do' after the Fire . . . ~ RHF *. *. This goes to the very heart of why a private organization should never be hired to provide an essential service more properly rendered by a government agency. Private companies are mercenary and cannot be trusted to do the right thing when the need arises, because money speaks louder than either decency or duty. If a town or city hires for this kind of work, the contract must be done right or else the job will be done wrong. This issue NEVER should have arisen at all - if the guy did not pay his bill for services, a lien should have been placed on his house and the money should haver been collected so that there could have been no excuse. Not fighting the fire could have resulted in a disaster worse than fighting it. IMHO, there is plenty of blame to go around here, and I would not be surprised if this winds up in court and that blame is apportioned among many players. |
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Social Darwinism Is Insane (Mean People Suck)
On Oct 9, 6:19*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Oct 9, 3:15*pm, RHF wrote: On Oct 8, 3:27*pm, bpnjensen wrote: On Oct 7, 3:37*pm, RHF wrote: On Oct 7, 8:25*am, dave wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...s-fire-vic_b_7... You put out the fire. If the homeowner hasn't paid the fee you bill them for the cost of fighting that fire. Like in an emergency room at the hospital. Fire was outside the City Limits in the County Area. The Firemen were City Employees following the Laws and Rules of the Mayor and City Council. So don't fault the Firemen : Fault the City's Management. The 'City' should have an alternative to doing NOTHING. -example- Don't Pay the $75 Fire Services Fee in the County : Sign an On-the-Spot for a 1% 'City Lien' on Your Property. $100K Property Value =$1K Lien $250K Property Value =$2.5K Lien Sends the Message : PAY THE FIRE SERVIES FEE [.] ~ RHF *. - Most adjacent districts have reciprocal agreements - to help each other out. "The City" does NOT have any "Reciprocal Agreement" with the County; because the County does NOT have a Fire Department {Fire Services District} for this Un-Incorporated Area : * This is the Counties Fault -Not- "The City's" * This is the Citizens/Residents of the Un-Incorporated Area's Fault -Not- "The City's" What "The City" Did Do Was Offer to the Citizens/ Residents of the Un-Incorporated Area's a Fire Services Fee of $75 Annually* : Which this County Citizens/Residents 'choose' NOT TO PAY [.] * A Subscription "Reciprocal Agreement" -*No self-respecting fire chief *would have done - what this jerk did. Let's see the Fire Chief Fights the Fire and one of his Firemen gets Injured or some major Fire Equipment gets damaged. The Mayor and City Council FIRE the Fire Chief for 'Cause' for Failing to follow their Laws and Rules. Again Wondering . . . What Did The Home Owners Fire Insurance Company 'do' after the Fire . . . ~ RHF *. *. This goes to the very heart of why a private organization should never be hired to provide an essential service more properly rendered by a government agency. *Private companies are mercenary and cannot be trusted to do the right thing when the need arises, because money speaks louder than either decency or duty. *If a town or city hires for this kind of work, the contract must be done right or else the job will be done wrong. *This issue NEVER should have arisen at all - if the guy did not pay his bill for services, a lien should have been placed on his house and the money should haver been collected so that there could have been no excuse. *Not fighting the fire could have resulted in a disaster worse than fighting it. *IMHO, there is plenty of blame to go around here, and I would not be surprised if this winds up in court and that blame is apportioned among many players. BpnJ - ? What Private Organization ? READ and Get All The Facts -or- Don't The Facts Matter ? Tennessee Fire Ignites National Debate on Public Services http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/re...ices/19665148/ It was and is "The City"s Fire Department that followed the City's Laws, Rules and Regulations -wrt- Fire Services in the "Non-City" County Areas. Fault the County Commissioners and Voters Fault the City : The Mayor and City Council and the Voters in the City. Hey Why Not 'fault' Prez Obama Please Don't "Fault" the Firemen ~ RHF |
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