On Oct 9, 3:15*pm, RHF wrote:
On Oct 8, 3:27*pm, bpnjensen wrote:





On Oct 7, 3:37*pm, RHF wrote:

On Oct 7, 8:25*am, dave wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...s-fire-vic_b_7...

You put out the fire. If the homeowner hasn't paid the fee you bill them
for the cost of fighting that fire. Like in an emergency room at the
hospital.

Fire was outside the City Limits in the County Area.

The Firemen were City Employees following the Laws
and Rules of the Mayor and City Council.

So don't fault the Firemen : Fault the City's Management.

The 'City' should have an alternative to doing NOTHING.
-example- Don't Pay the $75 Fire Services Fee in the
County : Sign an On-the-Spot for a 1% 'City Lien' on
Your Property.
$100K Property Value =$1K Lien
$250K Property Value =$2.5K Lien

Sends the Message : PAY THE FIRE SERVIES FEE [.]

~ RHF
*.

- Most adjacent districts have reciprocal agreements
- to help each other out.

"The City" does NOT have any "Reciprocal Agreement"
with the County; because the County does NOT have
a Fire Department {Fire Services District} for this
Un-Incorporated Area :
* This is the Counties Fault -Not- "The City's"
* This is the Citizens/Residents of the Un-Incorporated
Area's Fault -Not- "The City's"

What "The City" Did Do Was Offer to the Citizens/
Residents of the Un-Incorporated Area's a Fire
Services Fee of $75 Annually* : Which this County
Citizens/Residents 'choose' NOT TO PAY [.]
* A Subscription "Reciprocal Agreement"

-*No self-respecting fire chief *would have done
- what this jerk did.

Let's see the Fire Chief Fights the Fire and one
of his Firemen gets Injured or some major Fire
Equipment gets damaged.

The Mayor and City Council FIRE the Fire Chief for
'Cause' for Failing to follow their Laws and Rules.

Again Wondering . . . What Did The Home Owners
Fire Insurance Company 'do' after the Fire . . .

~ RHF
*.
*.

This goes to the very heart of why a private organization should never
be hired to provide an essential service more properly rendered by a
government agency. Private companies are mercenary and cannot be
trusted to do the right thing when the need arises, because money
speaks louder than either decency or duty. If a town or city hires
for this kind of work, the contract must be done right or else the job
will be done wrong. This issue NEVER should have arisen at all - if
the guy did not pay his bill for services, a lien should have been
placed on his house and the money should haver been collected so that
there could have been no excuse. Not fighting the fire could have
resulted in a disaster worse than fighting it. IMHO, there is plenty
of blame to go around here, and I would not be surprised if this winds
up in court and that blame is apportioned among many players.

On Oct 9, 8:47*am, "Steve" wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message

...





On 10/7/2010 3:24 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

...
Not rocket science and one hell of a lot better than standing there
watching it burn to the ground. Their stupidity is stupendous...and who
ever was in power that told the firemen to do nothing but watch should
be in jail for terminal stupidity.

The people who hire such as those firemen, and, of course, the firemen
themselves, should have never been hired! *The people we have employed as
our public servants need to be given a good look-over and the ones who
aren't capable of rational and sound decisions given leave--or even have
charges brought against them.

Only recently have I seen such moronic behaviors. *It does make you wonder
what is happening ...

Regards,
JS

You are forgetting something here. *They were following orders from the city
Mayor - their boss. *Who, just happens to be a republican and belivees what
he did was right. *I wanna know what happened to the county property taxes.
I'm sure they have them. *Doesn't the county itself have an obligation to
contract with the surrounding cities for protection if they aren't going to
provide it? *Volunteer firestations are not really that expensive. *The one
I was at for a while in Florida received hand me down trucks from the
Forrestry Department at no cost provided we returned them when we didn't
need them anymore. *It provided us with the trucks we needed to run the
department. *The city only had to provide the insurance and turn-out gear -
and of course, the building. *But I'm sure the county down there has plenty
of property they could utilize for a fire station and such.

The blame is on the city Mayor and the County Trustees equally. *And I heard
this family's insurance company is refusing to pay the claim now as well. *A
lot of good it did to pay them all those years.

Republicans typically have no compassion for anyone else - only themselves.

Huzzah.

On Oct 9, 8:24*am, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:
The 'City' should have an alternative to doing NOTHING.
-example- Don't Pay the $75 Fire Services Fee in the
County : Sign an On-the-Spot for a 1% 'City Lien' on
Your Property.
$100K Property Value =$1K Lien
$250K Property Value =$2.5K Lien

Sends the Message : PAY THE FIRE SERVIES FEE [.]

~ RHF
* .

Most adjacent districts have reciprocal agreements to help each other
out. *No self-respecting fire chief would have done what this jerk did.

- Roy knows better.
- He lives in fire country.
- He's just being a Fisk Hole.

Yes 'Special Dave' I do reside in the "Red {Fire} Zone"
and up here you need to know where your Fire Service
is coming from depending upon where you reside.

1 - Twain Harte FD {Twain Harte Community Services District}
2 - CAL FIRE in Twain Harte {California State Dept Forestry}
3 - Tuolumne County FD [TCFD]
4 - Stanislaus National Forest Fire {US Dept Forestry} [FedFD]
5 + plus many more local Community Services Districts
for Fire Services both Paid and/or Volunteer.

Because Twain Harte FD has a 'Town' Level Fire Dept.
The Fire Insurance Costs* for Residences in Twain Harte
are way less then some areas in the County and Forest
Lands that only have TCFD County and/or National Forest
FedFD Fire Services.
* One Dollar in County Property Taxes for a House in
Twain Harte Saves Two Dollars in Fire Insurance Costs.
Plus the THFD usually responds fast enough that your
whole House does not Burn Down or Your Neighbor's
House Fire does not end-up Burning Down your House
too.
-If- were relied on the Tuolumne County FD it would be
a 10~15~20 Minute wait before the TCFD would be on
the scene; and most likely the House would be totalled.

But all of these FDs have Rules and Procedures that
govern their "Mutual Aid" Agreements : None of the
Community Locals would cross into another County
or Federal Lands without a County Level or CAL FIRE
Request/Authorization.

IIRC - Each and Every of the Community Local's "Mutual
Aid" Responses is reviewed by their FD Boards for proper
procedural compliance. All the Local Officers "Chiefs"
know this and Follow-the-Rules. They do not put their
Men and Equipment AT RISK {and Their Own Job At
Risk} by breaking the rules and not following procedures.

FWIW - Each and Every one of the Mutual Aid Responses
usually requires one to two or more back-up movements
of Men and Equipment to adjust and fill-in for the Mutual
Aid responding Men and Equipment. {Reallocation Limited
Resources etc etc etc}

hey - does anyone smell smoke . . . ~ RHF

RHF wrote:
king the rules and not following procedures.

FWIW - Each and Every one of the Mutual Aid Responses
usually requires one to two or more back-up movements
of Men and Equipment to adjust and fill-in for the Mutual
Aid responding Men and Equipment. {Reallocation Limited
Resources etc etc etc}

.
.
What a ****ing Bozo. It's a Mutual Aid situation all fire season long
around here. And they move women and equipment too.

On Oct 9, 6:19*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Oct 9, 3:15*pm, RHF wrote:



On Oct 8, 3:27*pm, bpnjensen wrote:

On Oct 7, 3:37*pm, RHF wrote:

On Oct 7, 8:25*am, dave wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...s-fire-vic_b_7...

You put out the fire. If the homeowner hasn't paid the fee you bill them
for the cost of fighting that fire. Like in an emergency room at the
hospital.

Fire was outside the City Limits in the County Area.

The Firemen were City Employees following the Laws
and Rules of the Mayor and City Council.

So don't fault the Firemen : Fault the City's Management.

The 'City' should have an alternative to doing NOTHING.
-example- Don't Pay the $75 Fire Services Fee in the
County : Sign an On-the-Spot for a 1% 'City Lien' on
Your Property.
$100K Property Value =$1K Lien
$250K Property Value =$2.5K Lien

Sends the Message : PAY THE FIRE SERVIES FEE [.]

~ RHF
*.

- Most adjacent districts have reciprocal agreements
- to help each other out.

"The City" does NOT have any "Reciprocal Agreement"
with the County; because the County does NOT have
a Fire Department {Fire Services District} for this
Un-Incorporated Area :
* This is the Counties Fault -Not- "The City's"
* This is the Citizens/Residents of the Un-Incorporated
Area's Fault -Not- "The City's"

What "The City" Did Do Was Offer to the Citizens/
Residents of the Un-Incorporated Area's a Fire
Services Fee of $75 Annually* : Which this County
Citizens/Residents 'choose' NOT TO PAY [.]
* A Subscription "Reciprocal Agreement"

-*No self-respecting fire chief *would have done
- what this jerk did.

Let's see the Fire Chief Fights the Fire and one
of his Firemen gets Injured or some major Fire
Equipment gets damaged.

The Mayor and City Council FIRE the Fire Chief for
'Cause' for Failing to follow their Laws and Rules.

Again Wondering . . . What Did The Home Owners
Fire Insurance Company 'do' after the Fire . . .

~ RHF
*.
*.

This goes to the very heart of why a private organization should never
be hired to provide an essential service more properly rendered by a
government agency. *Private companies are mercenary and cannot be
trusted to do the right thing when the need arises, because money
speaks louder than either decency or duty. *If a town or city hires
for this kind of work, the contract must be done right or else the job
will be done wrong. *This issue NEVER should have arisen at all - if
the guy did not pay his bill for services, a lien should have been
placed on his house and the money should haver been collected so that
there could have been no excuse. *Not fighting the fire could have
resulted in a disaster worse than fighting it. *IMHO, there is plenty
of blame to go around here, and I would not be surprised if this winds
up in court and that blame is apportioned among many players.

BpnJ - ? What Private Organization ?

READ and Get All The Facts
-or- Don't The Facts Matter ?

Tennessee Fire Ignites National Debate on Public Services
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/re...ices/19665148/

It was and is "The City"s Fire Department that
followed the City's Laws, Rules and Regulations
-wrt- Fire Services in the "Non-City" County Areas.

Fault the County Commissioners and Voters

Fault the City : The Mayor and City Council and
the Voters in the City.

Hey Why Not 'fault' Prez Obama

Please Don't "Fault" the Firemen ~ RHF

On 10/10/2010 7:07 AM, RHF wrote:

...
-ps- ? What Lawsuit ?
The Home Owner Did NOT Pay the Fire Services Fee
and had NO Legal Right To Expect Fire Services [.]
.
-pps- Again Wondering . . . What Did The Home
Owners Fire Insurance Company 'do' after the Fire . . .
.
.

Get me on the jury, I am in for a little jury nullification on this one!

I certainly hope those firemen are fired quickly and never serve in that
capacity again ... their superiors need the charges brought against them
.... in this case, I can't see where full restitution with serious prison
terms are anything less than ABSOLUTELY necessary ...

Graft, corruption and the criminals have trickled down and now fill
every nook and cranny like cockroaches!

http://www.apfn.org/pdf/citizen.pdf

Regards,
JS