On 10/11/2010 6:17 AM, RHF wrote:

...

The one OZ. of gold will still buy you $20 bucks worth of goods. What
is so hard to understand about that?

Now, it will take you a LOT of dollars to still buy that $20 OZ. slug of
gold, it will take you a LOT of dollars to buy you $20 worth of food,
rent, clothing, etc. ... but the truth is, it is the dollar which has
changed in value, NOT the gold ... the gold maintained its' value ...
the paper promises have not.

An OZ. of gold with still buy you that nice suit it did in 1849 ...

Regards,
JS

On 10/11/2010 7:13 AM, dave wrote:

...
Seeds

Guns, God, gold, food, family, friends, clothing, shelter, SEEDS ... not
necessarily in that order ... you just might be right!

Regards,
JS

On Oct 11, 8:56*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-
wrote:
On 10/10/2010 11:37 PM, wrote:





On Oct 10, 10:40 pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/10/2010 6:08 PM, WR wrote:

...
An ounce of gold today, when the price is adjusted for inflation, is
worth less than it was in the 1970s. As for the rest, it's the
survivalist's day-dream. By the way, when you're starving you can't
eat gold. One old Vietnamese told of how it was in '54 when he was
following the trails and roads south to run away from the Communists.
At the low point in the trip, rice was traded for equal weight in
gold. He only survived because he had a enough body fat to keep him
going. Others simply died on the road.

When you are looking for a place to keep money for awhile, gold is it.
Bury paper dollars and it just don't work. *People who live
paycheck-to-paycheck just don't get the concept. *They have never had
wealth and are not familiar with the problems of storing it, safely, for
any extended length of time.

Trust me, there has never been a time when gold is difficult to trade
for food, shelter, weapons, ammo, sex, you-name-it. *I think these boys
have been smokin' too much dope or lived in poverty too long!

Check history if you doubt me ... today, even, it is a great commodity
to possess ... trade it for near anything you can imagine!

Regards,
JS

Not in a total blockade,like happened in Biafra,Leningrad and many
other times during military conflicts . * Food runs out pretty
quickly, sometimes within a few weeks . *Singapore officially fell in
WW2 due to water supply cutoff, and they had lots of food and ammo.

West Berlin was blockaded by the USSR to try to cause a collapse so the
USSR could have all of eastern Germany.

The USA had to do to extremes to keep is from happening.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Total blockade has only one meaning- nothing gets through. Zilch.

On Oct 11, 5:57*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-
wrote:
- - On 10/10/2010 11:20 PM, wrote:
- - - On Oct 10, 3:18 pm, John Smith wrote:
- - - - On 10/10/2010 12:09 PM, WR wrote:
- - - - We're not on the gold standard any more.
- - - - FDR relieved us of that.

- - - Speak for yourself ...
- - - $20 of gold (an OZ.) still buys what it used to
- - - ... you'd have to trade me a bunch of those
- - - inflated $20 dollar bills to buy an OZ. of my gold
- - - ... but, I ain't sellin' it, yet ... wait until I can't
- - - trade the worthless fiat money for food, medicine,
- - - ammo, shelter, etc. ... we can probably strike
- - - a deal, then ...
- - - Regards,
- - - JS

- - In really bad times FOOD is the only commodity
- - happens all the time,worldwide.
- - Precious metals can devalue pretty rapidly during
- - real famine...

- Buy MRE's rather than stocks or Bonds.

Again for the Price of One Ounce of Gold ~$1300
No You Can't Drink Gold
No You Can't Eat Gold
No You Can't Cook with Gold
No You Can't Heat with Gold
No You Can't Light-Up & See with Gold
No You Can't Sleep with Gold
No You Can't Wash with Gold
No You Can't Wipe Your Ass with Gold
-and- With One Gun : I CAN TAKE YOUR GOLD [.]

Phase One : Keeping Your Family Together
and Surviving the First 30 Days at Home . . .
You could/should have at least a for a Family
of Four a 30 Day {1-Months) Supply of : Spend
the Value of One Ounce of Gold ~$1300 for :
* Bottled Drinking Water
~ 240 Bottles (4x4x30)
* Food : MREs / Freeze Dried / Canned Food
~ 360 Meals (4x3x30)
* Multi-Vitamins & Minerals {1 per Day per Person}
~ 120 Pills/Caps (4x1x30)
* One Pound Iodize Salt
* Instant Non-Fat Dry Milk ~ 5-8 Lbs
4.4 out of 5 stars (5)
* Camp Fuel Propane Cylinders [~100 @ 16.4 oz ]
~ 30 x Propane Cylinders for Cooking
~ 30 x Propane Cylinders for Light
~ 30 x Propane Cylinders for Heat
* One Each Camp Stove & Light & Heater
* Big Box of Matches
* Soap for Personal/Wash/Dishes
~ 4 Big Boxes
* Chlorine Bleach ~ One Gallon
* Toilet Paper ~ 30/45 Rolls
* Sleeping Bags 4-Lbs 4-Each
* Hunting Rifle and 5 Boxes of Ammo [100 Rounds]
{30Cal, 30-30W, 308W, 30-06}
* Four Knives and One Camp Hatchet
* Radio AM/FM/SW Solar & Hand Crank
* Bible a/o Book of Prayers
* Never use the Car/Truck keep the Gas Tank
Filled and out of sight in the Garage

Phase Two : Holding Your Family Together and
Surviving the Second 30 Days and Moving On . . .
After that for Family Survival the Next 31~ 60 Days
Spend the Value of a 2nd Ounce of Gold ~$1300 for :
* Use the Car/Truck to get to a Safe Place : So
Pack-Up and go to be with Family/Friends
{ Numbers & Strength & Unity }
* 1 Gallon of Chlorine Bleach to Purify Water
* 10 Lb Bag of Cracked Wheat
* 10 Lb Bag of Rolled Oats
* 10 Lb Bag of Rice
* 10 Lb Bag of Beans
* 30 Cans/Pouches of Tuna/Salmon Large
* 30 Cans/Pouches of Chicken Large
* 30 Cans of Dinty Moore Stew Family Size
* 30 Cans/Bags of Spinach Large -or- Dried Seaweed
* 30 Cans of Soup Family Size
* Multi-Vitamins & Minerals {1 per Day per Person}
~ 120 Pills/Caps (4x1x30)
* One Pound Iodize Salt
* Instant Non-Fat Dry Milk ~ 5-8 Lbs
* Bow and 30+ Arrows plus 100+ Arrow Hunting Tips
* 12 Gauge Pump Shotgun plus
* * 4-Boxes of '00' Buck-Shot
* * 4-Boxes of 'BB' Small Game Shot
* * 10-Boxes of Rifle Slugs
* One Wood Axe & Tree Saw
* Big Box of Matches
* One Four Person Tent
* Toilet Paper ~ 30/45 Rolls

the golden rule of survival : 'stay-a-live' ~ RHF
stay warm & dry + hydrate + eat = survive

On Oct 10, 12:07*pm, WR wrote:
On Oct 10, 11:04*am, "Bob" wrote:

"dave" wrote in message

...

RHF wrote:

- Social Security

Bankrupt

- - - Solvent through 2037 with no tweaking.

- - Technically yes, but how will the Special Issue
- - bonds be redeemed since there is more going
- - out than coming in?

- It doesn't matter.
- The bonds themselves are money.

NAH - 'The Special US Government Issue Bonds'
are Printed on Paper and Backed-by Trust and Faith
in the US Federal Government - hee haw hee haw
[ Pre-2009 : The Full Faith and Credit of the USA ]

Lets All Say :
the us bonds themselves are money , , ,
The Us Bonds Themselves Are Money . . .
THE US BONDS THEMSELVES ARE MONEY ! ! !
Now We Click Our Heals Three Times )
OOPS - WE ARE STILL $14 TRILLION IN DEBT [.]
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Without TRUST* and FAITH* in the US Dollar and the
US Federal Government . . .
-o-m-g- Obama-Nomics©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...64edf9bca744ca

* * Based On Americans Being Fully Employed
and a Productive Growing US Economy
-r-o-t-f-l- Obama-Nomics©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...47a644a9b4bb3b

[ Post-2010 :The Fool Faith-In Prez Obama
and To the Dis-Credit of the Prez Obama ]

All We Can Honestly Say Is : 'The Special US
Government Issue Bonds' are Printed on Paper.

ok - it's going to be a very cold long winter :
so does anyone have a 'match' . . . ~ RHF

Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
On 10/12/2010 10:10 AM, dave wrote:

.
You should go vegetarian, except for what you kill. It simplifies your
larder requirements immensely.


Veganism has a lower ratio for "food energy" to work, to produce the
food you need to stay alive.

In a survival situation, the best options are things that allow for
maximum energy/storage with a degree of simplicity.


You can starve to death or suffer malnutrition more easily while relying
on Vegetables only, utilizing "all" food sources is a smarter idea.


I stand by my original statement.

On 10/12/2010 12:31 AM, RHF wrote:

...

It is going to take you awhile, I see that ...

An OZ. of gold is still worth $20. But, you are going to need a whole
bunch of paper and ink to be worth that $20!

I hear $1,300-1,400 worth of worthless money is now needed to get that
$20 bucks together! Shame, real damn shame ... most of my gold I bought
at $300 an OZ. ROFLOL

Regards,
JS

On 10/12/2010 7:10 AM, dave wrote:

...
You should go vegetarian, except for what you kill. It simplifies your
larder requirements immensely.

If it didn't make one look like a pale homosexual freak, a vegetarian
life might be easier to sell! They just end up looking like sickly,
skinny, old freaks!

Regards,
JS

On Oct 12, 3:31*am, RHF wrote:
On Oct 11, 5:57*am, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

- - On 10/10/2010 11:20 PM, wrote:
- - - On Oct 10, 3:18 pm, John Smith wrote:
- - - - On 10/10/2010 12:09 PM,WRwrote:
- - - - We're not on the gold standard any more.
- - - - FDR relieved us of that.

- - - Speak for yourself ...
- - - $20 of gold (an OZ.) still buys what it used to
- - - ... you'd have to trade me a bunch of those
- - - inflated $20 dollar bills to buy an OZ. of my gold
- - - ... but, I ain't sellin' it, yet ... wait until I can't
- - - trade the worthless fiat money for food, medicine,
- - - ammo, shelter, etc. ... we can probably strike
- - - a deal, then ...
- - - Regards,
- - - JS

- - In really bad times FOOD is the only commodity
- - happens all the time,worldwide.
- - Precious metals can devalue pretty rapidly during
- - real famine...

- Buy MRE's rather than stocks or Bonds.

Again for the Price of One Ounce of Gold ~$1300
No You Can't Drink Gold
No You Can't Eat Gold
No You Can't Cook with Gold
No You Can't Heat with Gold
No You Can't Light-Up & See with Gold
No You Can't Sleep with Gold
No You Can't Wash with Gold
No You Can't Wipe Your Ass with Gold
-and- With One Gun : I CAN TAKE YOUR GOLD [.]

Phase One : Keeping Your Family Together
and Surviving the First 30 Days at Home . . .
You could/should have at least a for a Family
of Four a 30 Day {1-Months) Supply of : Spend
the Value of One Ounce of Gold ~$1300 for :
* Bottled Drinking Water
~ 240 Bottles (4x4x30)
* Food : MREs / Freeze Dried / Canned Food
~ 360 Meals (4x3x30)
* Multi-Vitamins & Minerals {1 per Day per Person}
~ 120 Pills/Caps (4x1x30)
* One Pound Iodize Salt
* Instant Non-Fat Dry Milk ~ 5-8 Lbs
4.4 out of 5 stars (5)
* Camp Fuel Propane Cylinders [~100 @ 16.4 oz ]
~ 30 x Propane Cylinders for Cooking
~ 30 x Propane Cylinders for Light
~ 30 x Propane Cylinders for Heat
* One Each Camp Stove & Light & Heater
* Big Box of Matches
* Soap for Personal/Wash/Dishes
~ 4 Big Boxes
* Chlorine Bleach ~ One Gallon
* Toilet Paper ~ 30/45 Rolls
* Sleeping Bags 4-Lbs 4-Each
* Hunting Rifle and 5 Boxes of Ammo [100 Rounds]
{30Cal, 30-30W, 308W, 30-06}
* Four Knives and One Camp Hatchet
* Radio AM/FM/SW Solar & Hand Crank
* Bible a/o Book of Prayers
* Never use the Car/Truck keep the Gas Tank
Filled and out of sight in the Garage

Phase Two : Holding Your Family Together and
Surviving the Second 30 Days and Moving On . . .
After that for Family Survival the Next 31~ 60 Days
Spend the Value of a 2nd Ounce of Gold ~$1300 for :
* Use the Car/Truck to get to a Safe Place : So
Pack-Up and go to be with Family/Friends
{ Numbers & Strength & Unity }
* 1 Gallon of Chlorine Bleach to Purify Water
* 10 Lb Bag of Cracked Wheat
* 10 Lb Bag of Rolled Oats
* 10 Lb Bag of Rice
* 10 Lb Bag of Beans
* 30 Cans/Pouches of Tuna/Salmon Large
* 30 Cans/Pouches of Chicken Large
* 30 Cans of Dinty Moore Stew Family Size
* 30 Cans/Bags of Spinach Large -or- Dried Seaweed
* 30 Cans of Soup Family Size
* Multi-Vitamins & Minerals {1 per Day per Person}
~ 120 Pills/Caps (4x1x30)
* One Pound Iodize Salt
* Instant Non-Fat Dry Milk ~ 5-8 Lbs
* Bow and 30+ Arrows plus 100+ Arrow Hunting Tips
* 12 Gauge Pump Shotgun plus
* * *4-Boxes of '00' Buck-Shot
* * *4-Boxes of 'BB' Small Game Shot
* * *10-Boxes of Rifle Slugs
* One Wood Axe & Tree Saw
* Big Box of Matches
* One Four Person Tent
* Toilet Paper ~ 30/45 Rolls

the golden rule of survival : 'stay-a-live' ~ RHF
stay warm & dry + hydrate + eat = survive
*.
Americans Surviving the 'Post-Obama' Era of Food
& Energy Shortages and Civil Unrest *-remember-
The "Golden Rule" of Survival . . . STAY-A-LIVE !
*.
*.

Koo-koo

Hailstones done hit New York City.A Nor'easter is headin thataway this
Thursday and Friday.If you are ridin your Horse, remove the saddle and
hold it over your head so the hailstones won't be poppin you.
cuhulin