Placing The Blame For The AZ Shooter : To Blame FOX News Is Absurd-why-not- ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC etc...
 

On Jan 8, 3:30*pm, dave wrote:
Unlimited freedom to say any crazy **** you want combines with ability
for anybody without an assault conviction to buy an instrument of mass
murder for the price of a good concert ticket yields big damage to USA
form of government.

Freedom without responsibility is chaos.

- Fox News is run by anarchists.

'Special-Dave' : "Fox News Is Run By ANARCHISTS."

Now there is a whole new perspective . . .
all the far far-a-way out in . . .

- The bad kind.

'Special-Dave',

The Shooter Was/Is "A Crazy" Who Lived in Her District.
1st - It was a Local Open Public Event for All to Attend.
2nd - The Shooting Occurred Because At-That-Time &
At-That-Place : "The Shooter" Had The Insane 'Urge'
To Take {Act-Out} His Perceived Vengeance :
* On Society as a Whole {The Crowd of People}
* Society's Leaders {The Local Congressperson}.

The Shooter was an Equal Opportunity Killer : Killing
both Liberals/Democrats and Conservatives/Republicans.
-other-than-'the-leader'-just-shooting-at-any-and-all-

To The Shooter : It Wasn't About His Victims :
* It Was About Him = me,,, Me... ME ! ! !
* His Emotions = me,,, Me... ME ! ! !
* His Pain = me,,, Me... ME ! ! !
* His Anger = me,,, Me... ME ! ! !
-translation- = me,,, Me... ME ! ! !
Against All-of-Society = you,,, You... YOU ! ! !
Against All-In-Power* = them,,, Them... THEM ! ! !
* All-In-Control-of-My-Life = Mind-Control**
** Powerful Evil Forces Against Me
{Oppression & Enslavement}

'Special-Dave' : To Blame FOX News Is Absurd :

Actually FOX News might have just as easily Calmed
The Shooter Down by it's tone and content.
-relax-you-are-ok-there-are-others-out-there-like-you-

Versus ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC etc...
might have just as easily Caused The Shooter TO
GET AGITATED & ANGRY by their tone and content.
-hey-you-are-right-you-are-alone-
-and-we-are-all-out-to-get-you-
-we-will-control-your-life-&-we-will-control-your-mind-
=YOU=ARE=OURS=!=

remember : crazies are crazy; and come in all
colors and flavors ~ RHF

The Constitution is the basis for sound government of the people,by the people and for the people.
 

On Jan 8, 5:30*pm, dave wrote:
On 01/10/2011 12:18 AM, John Smith wrote:

However, all that said, it would be wise to add an amendment which would
remove the patriot act and make sure such evil does not threaten
Americans ever again ...

Regards,
JS

- Adherence to the 4th Amendment would kill
- the Patriot Act, no modification needed for that.

'Special-Dave',

So you cite the US Constitution 'as-is' when it
suits you; and say it has to evolve and change
when it doesn't. ~ RHF

The Constitution is a building code, not a blueprint
 

On 11-01-09 03:30 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:

I'm specifically referring to the Council of Trent/Apocrypha and of
course the earlier addition of the New Testament. Modern
translations/mistranslations are far too numerous to even be considered.

The New Jerusalem Bible may be of interest. It goes back to some pretty
old sources and is in common usage in God fearing countries. Not so much
in the US.




mike

The Constitution is a building code, not a blueprint
 

On 1/8/2011 6:58 PM, dave wrote:
On 01/09/2011 01:20 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

"The Constitution is a building code, not a blueprint"


Actually it's more like a footing and cornerstone.... you have the base
to build the rest but you can't go adding on beyond your footer and
cornerstones lest the new additions will crumble from a lack of support
and strength.

Which is what we see happening these days.



That's ridiculous. The Founders would laugh you off the board. And some
of them were Freemasons.

Then they know the importance of a building being on good footings and
strong cornerstones.

Jefferson tore down and rebuilt his house several times and suggested
treating the Constitution in a similar manner would not be inappropriate.


He started with the new footer to add on.... you're building on NOTHING.


It is not a sacred text. It's a set of ideas that we agreed to use until
something better comes along.

Something better came along? Why are you ignoring and abusing it when
you have yet to let us all vote on your better constitution?


It has been altered a couple dozen times.

And yet you contend that it need no such amendments, since you suggest
that you can change it with Judges interpretations...

The Constitution is the basis for sound government of the people,by the people and for the people.
 

On 01/09/2011 01:42 PM, RHF wrote:
On Jan 8, 5:30 pm, wrote:
On 01/10/2011 12:18 AM, John Smith wrote:

However, all that said, it would be wise to add an amendment which would
remove the patriot act and make sure such evil does not threaten
Americans ever again ...

Regards,
JS

- Adherence to the 4th Amendment would kill
- the Patriot Act, no modification needed for that.

'Special-Dave',

So you cite the US Constitution 'as-is' when it
suits you; and say it has to evolve and change
when it doesn't. ~ RHF
.
.
No. That's close but not exactly correct. I never said it needs to
evolve. I said it is intentionally vague and the definition of certain
trick words like "unreasonable" change.

The Constitution is the basis for sound government of the people,by the people and for the people.
 

On 1/9/2011 5:50 PM, dave wrote:

...
No. That's close but not exactly correct. I never said it needs to
evolve. I said it is intentionally vague and the definition of certain
trick words like "unreasonable" change.

You mean such truths as, "No change is needed to my right to free
speech, freedom of religion, right to keep and bear arms, etc."

If you, you are correct, it would be UNREASONABLE to attempt to weaken
to take away any of the God given natural laws ...

Regards,
JS

If some one comes to kill you--I will kill them first, it has always been like that for me ...
 

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
On 1/9/2011 5:15 PM, terrys wrote:

...
!plonk.

Well now, what a damn fool. Big sis is putting telemonitors into all the
walmarts to tell us about returning heros returning from service to their
country being a "terrorist danger" to their country. That Americans,
themselves, are the next wave of terrorists ...

I agree, and the damn fool plonks me ... well, better off without such
idiots!

Regards,
JS

But if someone only thinks someone is out to kill them when they are not and
they kill first then it makes them a murderer.

That is sort of like with David Rockefeller where he thinks mass-murder in
the millions might help him survive longer when he could die tomorrow
anyway. See:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/population.htm

Rocky

The Peoples' Right To Keep and Bear Arms : Against All Enemies,Foreign and Domestic
 

On Jan 9, 3:01*pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 1/9/11 16:50 , John Smith wrote:

On 1/9/2011 2:37 PM, D Peter Maus wrote:

...
In the previous clause, in the language of the times, 'regulated' was a
term used in law to describe maintenance of a state of preparedness, or
being. And 'Militia' was The People.

In that language, the 2nd Amendment couldn't have been more clear.

Well, I am only surprised that some where confused by "militia." I
didn't know that any, let alone so many, were confused by semantics
surrounding the word!

Keep in mind, that, at the time, as well, a standing army was
forbidden by the Constitution.

- The peoples' right to keep and bear arms
- was the first line of defense.

In The Century Before 1776 . . .
Most of America Was a Frontier Society.
YOU and your Neighbors* Were The First Line of Defense :
For You And Your Part of the Country-Settlement-Village
* Anyone within the Sound {Ears} of a Gun Shot.
-or- More-Often-Than-Not : You Were Along To Defend :
Your-Self; Your Family; and Your Home/Farm/Land [.]

-and- The Century After 1776 . . .
Much of America Was a Frontier Society.
YOU and your Neighbors* Were The First Line of Defense :
For You And Your Part of the Country-Settlement-Village
* Anyone within the Sound {Ears} of a Gun Shot.
-or- More-Often-Than-Not : You Were Along To Defend :
Your-Self; Your Family; and Your Home/Farm/Land [.]

- Against aggressors foreign and domestic.

Against All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joini...thofenlist.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of...ited_States%29
-wrt- Article Two of the US Constitution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article...s_Constitution

In the Decades around 1776 that included the British,
French, Spanish and Indians* . . .

* NOTE : To the Native American Indian Peoples :
It was the American Colonists who were the Invaders
and Aggressors and the Indians were Fighting a
Counter-Insurgency War to Protect Themselves;
Families; Tribes/Nations/Lands; Culture & Religion;
and Way-of-Life Against the Invading Euro-Landers.
-they-were-acting-in-self-defense-

If some one comes to kill you--I will kill them first, it has always been like that for me ...
 

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
On 1/9/2011 6:07 PM, Rocky wrote:

...
But if someone only thinks someone is out to kill them when they are not
and
they kill first then it makes them a murderer.

That is sort of like with David Rockefeller where he thinks mass-murder
in
the millions might help him survive longer when he could die tomorrow
anyway. See:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/population.htm

Rocky



Really, how about the cops "thinking" the weapon is real and it is a toy?
Why are they released?

I mean, I agree with you. The exact same law which applies to them,
should apply to me--and the reverse just as true ...

However, having had military experience ... it was not too hard to know
when ... and, if in doubt, just remember this ... if push comes to shove,
you want to be on trial for the others guys murder and NOT him on trial
for yours ... and, of course, it is good to have all this crystal clear in
your mind before you need it ...

Regards,
JS

Good point but don't forget about David Rockefeller because he might have
you killed off with millions of others before you know what happened.

Plus I knew a cop that killed someone and got away with it but he still
ended up loosing his job so his victory party didn't last very long.

Rocky

If some one comes to kill you--I will kill them first, it hasalways been like that for me ...
 

On 1/9/2011 7:31 PM, Rocky wrote:

...
Good point but don't forget about David Rockefeller because he might have
you killed off with millions of others before you know what happened.

Plus I knew a cop that killed someone and got away with it but he still
ended up loosing his job so his victory party didn't last very long.

Rocky

In American, our Constitution demands we AND our public servants are
held to equal standards ... if this is NOT happening, that can only be
for one reason, power has been usurped from the people and criminals
have infiltrated the highest of positions ... and, the Constitution,
along with other documents, provide for what to do in that event, and
having exhausted the other means.

Regards,
JS

Once Again Mike [M II] As The 21st Century Voice-of-Canada Speaks !
 

On Jan 9, 4:10*pm, m II wrote:
On 11-01-09 03:30 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:

I'm specifically referring to the Council of Trent/Apocrypha and of
course the earlier addition of the New Testament. Modern
translations/mistranslations are far too numerous to even be considered..

- The New Jerusalem Bible may be of interest.
- It goes back to some pretty old sources and
- is in common usage in God fearing countries.

Mike [M II] : Once Again You As The 21st Century
Voice-of-Canada Speaks :
? So Is Canada A God Fearing Country !
? Are You God Fearing !
? More Importantly Are You God LOVING !

- Not so much in the US.

Mike [M II] : Once Again You As The 21st Century
Voice-of-Canada Speaks :
? So How Could/Would You Know !
? Have You Been To Each and Every Church
In The USA !
? How Many American Ministries Do You
Participate In Way Up There In Canada !

- mike

That You Are Mike [M II] : The Voice of Canada !
Basher & Preacher of Hate for Persons-of-Faith
Basher & Preacher of Hate for Religious Believers
Basher & Preacher of Hate for Christians
Basher & Preacher of Hate for Mormons
Basher & Preacher of Hate for Jews
Basher & Preacher of Hate for the USA and Americans
Basher & Preacher of Hate for the Jews, Zionists and Israelis
Mike [M II] : The Voice of Canada
-aka- Canadian Tolerance and Understanding
in the 21st Century ~ RHF

The Constitution is the basis for sound government of the people,by the people and for the people.
 

On Jan 10, 6:13*am, dave wrote:
On 01/09/2011 08:28 PM, wrote:



On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 19:24:40 -0800, John Smith
*wrote:

On 1/9/2011 3:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:54:29 -0600, "D. Peter Maus"
* wrote:

The People ARE the militia.

They are not

The national government has, for a long time, provided the necessary
protection of the nation

Perhaps in your country of origin, not here in the USA. *Our history
gives a strong and accurate definition of what is and what is NOT.

- - So, Eisenhower didn't call out the National Guards
- - to protect children from conservative racists?

- Since the governor was one of those racists
- did he have a choice?

IKE tried for about 2-Weeks to Negotiate with
the Governor and Defuse the Situation.

But the Governor would not budge and was
using the State's National Guard.

IKE then Ordered-In the US 101st Airborne
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...acc36441664052
-the-rest-they-say-is-history- ~ RHF

The Constitution is the basis for sound government of the people,by the people and for the people.
 

On 01/10/2011 03:05 PM, RHF wrote:
On Jan 10, 6:13 am, wrote:

- did he have a choice?

IKE tried for about 2-Weeks to Negotiate with
the Governor and Defuse the Situation.

But the Governor would not budge and was
using the State's National Guard.

IKE then Ordered-In the US 101st Airborne
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...acc36441664052
-the-rest-they-say-is-history- ~ RHF
.
.

I don't remember that. I remember the McCarthy hearings because they
pre-empted cartoons.

Idiot's-R-Us -asks- Where in the US Bill of Rights Does It Say : YouHave The Right To "DIAL 911" ? -versus- The Right To Self-Defense !
 

On Jan 10, 4:40*pm, RHF wrote:
On Jan 9, 12:23 pm, wrote:

- - On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:04:24 -0800, John Smith
- - wrote:
- - It gives the right to keep and bear arms to THE PEOPLE ...

- It gives the right to the states related to militias.
-
- I can't alter idiot Scalia and his toady thomas,
- but any fool who demand "literalism" in reading
- the constitution can't help but "read" that as
- related to militias.
-
- Considering the society that produced it (rural,
- agrarian, frontier, no strong central government)
- ---it did require "individuals" to act for common defense
-
- Since Scalia self-interpreted it to pander to
- gunwhores and gunloons---that's the way it is.
-
- His opinions only show what a ****ing moron he is.
*.
Yoorghis : "idiot"
Yoorghis : "toady"
Yoorghis : "gunwhores"
Yoorghis : "gunloons"
Yoorghis : "****ing"
Yoorghis : "moron"
*.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When An Ever So Super-Smart "Enlightened" Liberal
Democrat Socialist Starts Fascist Name Calling*.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional
+ Plus They Often Snip/Delete What You Wrote :
To Disguise Their Complete Inability To Carry The
Argument Forward. -that-is-how-i-see-it- ~ RHF©
*.
*.

- Oops - Where in the US Bill of Rights Does It Say :
- You Have The Right To "DIAL 911"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...Bill_of_Rights
- and wait,,, and Wait... and WAIT ! ! ! for Help To Come . . .

The AZ Shooting that Killed 6 Innocent People
and Wounded-Injured 13 Other Innocent People.
Had Absolutely NO Sheriff-Police Protection*
at this Open Public Event at a Shopping Center.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tucson_shooting
* A Public Safety Failure by the Sheriff-Police
Note : The Shooting Spree Took ~40 Seconds
{ Less-Than-a-Minute }
The Survivors of the Mass Murder then Called 911
after the Shooting Stopped and...
Then Waited and Waited 5 Minutes or more . . .
some say up to 10 Minutes for the first Sheriffs
Deputies and Police Officers to Arrive {Show-Up}
on the Scene of this Mass Killing.

Idiot's-R-Us -asks- Where in the US Bill of Rights Does It Say...
 

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to see if I am still here.
cuhulin, I'm no really here