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dxAce February 22nd 11 01:47 PM

Starve the Beast
 


dave wrote:

On 02/22/2011 05:32 AM, dxAce wrote:


dave wrote:

On 02/22/2011 01:23 AM, dxAce wrote:


These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
New Deal.

Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
Come-Along Winner!


I've been spot on so far, and you continue to be wrong and against the
people.


You continue to be full of ****, Rickmers.



Why are you always so pleasant? Old lady cut you off? ED? Too fat to
find to find your penis?


'to find to find' ?

Slow down, take a breath, and grab those meds, Rickmers!



Joe from Kokomo[_2_] February 22nd 11 01:55 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 

On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:


On 2/22/2011 2:41 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:

{stipulated}...



Just out of idle curiosity, what kind of antenna system do you use?


Just an idle answer...

I have a 130 foot long, 25-30 foot high, bent dipole between two trees,
fed with ladder line, used on 80-10 (including WARC bands) with a
Johnson KW Matchbox balanced tuner. On 160 meters, I reconfigure the
antenna to what is essentially a top loaded vertical, using a T-match
tuner.

Obviously not as good as a tower and beam, but I work lots o' DX with
it, for example the VK0IR (Heard Island) dx'pedition and North Korea.
(If you are not a ham, trust me, these are nice catches). Needless to
say, it also works nicely for SWL'ing with my vintage receivers.

A tower would be nice, but not worth the hassle of dealing with the
(overly) strict city and subdivision restrictions.



D. Peter Maus[_2_] February 22nd 11 02:06 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On 2/22/11 07:55 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:


On 2/22/2011 2:41 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:

{stipulated}...



Just out of idle curiosity, what kind of antenna system do you use?


Just an idle answer...

I have a 130 foot long, 25-30 foot high, bent dipole between two
trees, fed with ladder line, used on 80-10 (including WARC bands)
with a Johnson KW Matchbox balanced tuner. On 160 meters, I
reconfigure the antenna to what is essentially a top loaded
vertical, using a T-match tuner.

Obviously not as good as a tower and beam, but I work lots o' DX
with it, for example the VK0IR (Heard Island) dx'pedition and North
Korea. (If you are not a ham, trust me, these are nice catches).
Needless to say, it also works nicely for SWL'ing with my vintage
receivers.

A tower would be nice, but not worth the hassle of dealing with the
(overly) strict city and subdivision restrictions.



I was speaking with a ham buddy of mine, over the weekend, and he
recommended such an antenna for low noise and great digging in
crowded bands. And particularly for MW Dx. I'm tempted to do it here.

Which vintage receivers are you using?



Joe from Kokomo[_2_] February 22nd 11 02:18 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 

On 2/22/11 07:43 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 2/21/11 18:42 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:

I hope you [Lare] have and/or can afford medical insurance
with YOUR pre-existing medical condition(s). The Big
Business insurance companies can, have and will again deny
coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.

On 2/21/2011 6:25 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

Just as the Big Government insurance plan is doing today.

Seeing as the new plan has not yet been implemented, this
would presume that you are referring to what we have 'today' --
Medicare -- which does NOT deny coverage because of
pre-existing conditions.


On 2/22/2011 2:27 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more
pre-existing conditions than all the insurance carriers
combined.


Can you give any examples of this


On 2/22/2011 8:45 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

You don't spend any time talking to veterans, do you.


No, I've had neither the occasion nor the opportunity. Furthermore, I
have no idea what "medical plan" the vets are under. Possibly you are
referring to the Agent Orange issue or the spent uranium bullets? If so,
the root problem may be that the science just hasn't caught up yet --
although I seem to recall that they are finally realizing some of the
Agent Orange issues. My son did his Residency at a VA hospital, so
I will have to ask him about this.

Again however, I believe this thread was essentially focused on Medicare
-- which is MUCH larger than the vet issue -- and with Medicare,
pre-existing conditions do NOT appear to be a problem.

On 2/22/2011 2:27 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more
pre-existing conditions than all the insurance carriers
combined.


Turn down more than ALL insurance carriers combined??? Can you justify
this claim? Any actual numbers?



D. Peter Maus[_2_] February 22nd 11 02:28 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On 2/22/11 08:18 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 2/22/2011 8:45 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

You don't spend any time talking to veterans, do you.


No, I've had neither the occasion nor the opportunity.


You may wish to take the time.



dave February 22nd 11 03:15 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On 02/22/2011 05:45 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 2/22/11 07:43 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:



Can you give any examples of this


You don't spend any time talking to veterans, do you.



Oh do go on...

m II February 22nd 11 03:49 PM

Starve the Beast
 
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On 11-02-22 06:42 AM, dave wrote:

Why are you always so pleasant? Old lady cut you off? ED? Too fat to
find to find your penis?



It was surgically altered and then tucked in, all the better to
participate in his weekly homosexual 'respect' sessions.

His name 'Raoul' sound like him gagging on a whole throat full of 'respect'.




mike






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dave February 22nd 11 04:02 PM

Wisconsin End Game (Control of State's Utility Infrastructure)
 
Contested bill contains provisions to privatize utilities.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...e-in-Wisconsin


m II February 22nd 11 04:41 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
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On 11-02-22 06:31 AM, dave wrote:

On 02/22/2011 01:35 AM, dxAce wrote:
We're so thrilled that you got yours, Dave. After all you are a Golden
Come-Along
Winner, and certainly deserve the best!




The header is me quoting you.


Is the welfare leech giving you a rough time, dave? Funny how HIS 'free'
medical is different from anything proposed for others.




mike


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[email protected] February 22nd 11 04:55 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
You gots What???
http://www.lug-all.com

We will paint it Gold color for you for a few extra dollars.
cuhulin, Come A Longs R US


m II February 22nd 11 05:01 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
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On 11-02-21 09:19 AM, dxAce wrote:

Poppycock!



Reminiscing about your first sexual experience?



mike

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RHF February 22nd 11 05:36 PM

The Free Obama-Care© 'Death Panel' Counseling -wrt- Coerced "Ending-Your-Life" Mandate
 
On Feb 22, 12:34*am, Gary Forbis wrote:
On Feb 21, 10:42*pm, RHF wrote:

More Liberal Lies !
More Democrat Deceptions !
More Liberal Lies !
More Democrat Deceptions !
More Liberal Lies !
More Democrat Deceptions !
More Liberal Lies !
More Democrat Deceptions !


- I can't tell if you are an idiot or are just playing one.
- You know that there is enough noise around here
- without someone playing mind games, stupid mind games.

Gary Forbis : ? "idiot" ?

Gary Forbis : ? "stupid" ?

Gary Forbis : ? "mind games" ?

dxAce February 22nd 11 06:51 PM

Starve the Beast
 


I'm a dumbass Canuck II wrote:

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On 11-02-22 06:42 AM, dave wrote:

Why are you always so pleasant? Old lady cut you off? ED? Too fat to
find to find your penis?


It was surgically altered and then tucked in, all the better to
participate in his weekly homosexual 'respect' sessions.

His name 'Raoul' sound like him gagging on a whole throat full of 'respect'.


That sound echo's throughout the logging camp when you are there giving out
'favours', right, boy?



Joe from Kokomo[_2_] February 22nd 11 07:28 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 

On 2/22/11 07:55 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:


On 2/22/2011 2:41 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:

{stipulated}...



Just out of idle curiosity, what kind of antenna system do you use?


Just an idle answer...

I have a 130 foot long, 25-30 foot high, bent dipole between two
trees, fed with ladder line, used on 80-10 (including WARC bands)
with a Johnson KW Matchbox balanced tuner. On 160 meters, I
reconfigure the antenna to what is essentially a top loaded
vertical, using a T-match tuner.

Obviously not as good as a tower and beam, but I work lots o' DX
with it, for example the VK0IR (Heard Island) dx'pedition and North
Korea. (If you are not a ham, trust me, these are nice catches).
Needless to say, it also works nicely for SWL'ing with my vintage
receivers.

A tower would be nice, but not worth the hassle of dealing with the
(overly) strict city and subdivision restrictions.


On 2/22/2011 9:06 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

I was speaking with a ham buddy of mine, over the weekend, and he
recommended such an antenna for low noise and great digging in crowded
bands. And particularly for MW Dx. I'm tempted to do it here.


Well, it won't hurt to try it...

Your buddy says it is a quiet antenna. Compared to what? It is commonly
acknowledged that noise is more vertically polarized and thus a vertical
antenna is a bit noisier than a horizontal antenna like a dipole. I
really don't think the dipole I described is any quieter than any other
dipole AFAIK.

The reason I used the antenna was mostly because of its benefits when
transmitting. With the tuner and the ladder line feed, it will operate
on many bands with relatively low line loss. For SWL'ing, I'm not sure
if it would have any particular benefit.

Which vintage receivers are you using?


I've had many over the years, from an R-390 on down, but now that I am
at the Gateway to Geezerdom, I've been trying to thin out the herd. The
current fleet:

1912 Loose Coupler crystal set

circa 1921 Westinghouse Aeriola Jr. (crystal set, first mass produced
radio?)

circa early 30s National SW-3 Thrill Box (regen)

two Hallicrafters SX-28s--just in case owning one doesn't stretch your
arms enough-- 80 pounds each.

Drake T-4XB and R-4B



bpnjensen February 22nd 11 07:41 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On Feb 22, 1:23*am, dxAce wrote:
dave wrote:
On 02/21/2011 02:12 PM, dxAce wrote:


The GREED of Wall Street (Big
Business) brought you the Great Recession that we are in.


Nah, it was the likes of Barney (give it to me in the ass) Frank.


Not true. It was actually a handful of people at a handful of
institutions making greedy (and stupid) decisions. 2 acts of Congress,
criminal behavior by Moody's and S&P and some below the radar "waivers"
created a derivatives bubble. Barney Frank just provided the bubble
material. Phil Gramm, Alan Greenspan, Clinton, Geightner, etc. all went
crazy reversing the laws Roosevelt put in place. This is what happens
when business is deregulated.


These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
New Deal.


Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
Come-Along Winner!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Sorry, chum - Dave's right both in general and in detail, and
demonstrably so. You need to get your information somewhere other
than Fox Screws.

bpnjensen February 22nd 11 07:41 PM

Starve the Beast
 
On Feb 22, 5:30*am, dave wrote:
On 02/22/2011 01:23 AM, dxAce wrote:



These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
New Deal.


Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
Come-Along Winner!


I've been spot on so far, and you continue to be wrong and against the
people.

http://www.wordspy.com/words/starvethebeast.asp


It's a Conservative thing - people don't count, only $$$$$$$$$$$.

bpnjensen February 22nd 11 07:42 PM

Starve the Beast
 
On Feb 22, 5:32*am, dxAce wrote:
dave wrote:
On 02/22/2011 01:23 AM, dxAce wrote:


These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
New Deal.


Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
Come-Along Winner!


I've been spot on so far, and you continue to be wrong and against the
people.


You continue to be full of ****, Rickmers.


Nope, he's correct. You need to read a real newspaper once in awhile.

bpnjensen February 22nd 11 07:44 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On Feb 22, 5:32*am, dxAce wrote:
dave wrote:
On 02/21/2011 11:27 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:


Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.


What do you mean "turn down more pre-existing
conditions"? Are you saying people with chronic conditions are denied
coverage? That is not my understanding.


Your problem is that you simply lack understanding and comprehension.

You are a mentally ill clown 'tard and it is you who need the voluntary
counselling.

Now go take your meds, Rickmers, and shut the hell up!


When are you going to offer something of substance instead of insults?

D. Peter Maus[_2_] February 22nd 11 07:52 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On 2/22/11 13:28 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 2/22/11 07:55 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 2/22/2011 2:41 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:

{stipulated}...



Just out of idle curiosity, what kind of antenna system do you use?

Just an idle answer...

I have a 130 foot long, 25-30 foot high, bent dipole between two
trees, fed with ladder line, used on 80-10 (including WARC bands)
with a Johnson KW Matchbox balanced tuner. On 160 meters, I
reconfigure the antenna to what is essentially a top loaded
vertical, using a T-match tuner.

Obviously not as good as a tower and beam, but I work lots o' DX
with it, for example the VK0IR (Heard Island) dx'pedition and North
Korea. (If you are not a ham, trust me, these are nice catches).
Needless to say, it also works nicely for SWL'ing with my vintage
receivers.

A tower would be nice, but not worth the hassle of dealing with the
(overly) strict city and subdivision restrictions.


On 2/22/2011 9:06 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

I was speaking with a ham buddy of mine, over the weekend, and he
recommended such an antenna for low noise and great digging in
crowded
bands. And particularly for MW Dx. I'm tempted to do it here.


Well, it won't hurt to try it...

Your buddy says it is a quiet antenna. Compared to what? It is
commonly acknowledged that noise is more vertically polarized and
thus a vertical antenna is a bit noisier than a horizontal antenna
like a dipole. I really don't think the dipole I described is any
quieter than any other dipole AFAIK.



It may be more a matter of it being a good antenna than what he
was previously using. A lot of random cuts, a Windom, and some
twinlead dipoles have been on his property in the past.



The reason I used the antenna was mostly because of its benefits
when transmitting. With the tuner and the ladder line feed, it will
operate on many bands with relatively low line loss. For SWL'ing,
I'm not sure if it would have any particular benefit.

Which vintage receivers are you using?


I've had many over the years, from an R-390 on down, but now that I
am at the Gateway to Geezerdom, I've been trying to thin out the
herd. The current fleet:

1912 Loose Coupler crystal set

circa 1921 Westinghouse Aeriola Jr. (crystal set, first mass
produced radio?)

circa early 30s National SW-3 Thrill Box (regen)

two Hallicrafters SX-28s--just in case owning one doesn't stretch
your arms enough-- 80 pounds each.

Drake T-4XB and R-4B


I still have and use my grandfather's Hammarlund BC-794 Super
Pro. Got your SX-28 beat by a 39 lb power supply. :)

I've always wanted an SX-28. Never found one that hadn't been cut
to shards by a previous owner.

Nice stable.





bpnjensen February 22nd 11 07:53 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On Feb 21, 3:25*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:



I hope you have and/or can afford medical insurance with YOUR
pre-existing medical condition(s). The Big Business insurance
companies can, have and will again deny coverage to people with
pre-existing conditions.


* *Just as the Big Government insurance plan is doing today.


From Wikipedia:

The Commonwealth Fund, in its annual survey, "Mirror, Mirror on the
Wall", compares the performance of the health care systems in
Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada and the
U.S. Its 2007 study found that, although the U.S. system is the most
expensive, it consistently under-performs compared to the other
countries.[15] One difference between the U.S. and the other countries
in the study is that the U.S. is the only country without universal
health insurance coverage.

The Commonwealth Fund completed its thirteenth annual health policy
survey in 2010.[16] A study of the survey "found significant
differences in access, cost burdens, and problems with health
insurance that are associated with insurance design".[16] Of the
countries surveyed, the results indicated that people in the United
States had more out-of-pocket expenses, more disputes with insurance
companies than other countries, and more insurance payments denied;
paperwork was also higher although Germany had similarly high levels
of paperwork.[16]


bpnjensen February 22nd 11 07:54 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On Feb 22, 5:26*am, dave wrote:
On 02/21/2011 11:27 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:



Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.


What do you mean "turn down more pre-existing
conditions"? Are you saying people with chronic conditions are denied
coverage? That is not my understanding. Medicare is like group health
insurance; they have to cover you.


Again, from Wkipedia:

"The Commonwealth Fund, in its annual survey, "Mirror, Mirror on the
Wall", compares the performance of the health care systems in
Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada and the
U.S. Its 2007 study found that, although the U.S. system is the most
expensive, it consistently under-performs compared to the other
countries.[15] One difference between the U.S. and the other countries
in the study is that the U.S. is the only country without universal
health insurance coverage.

The Commonwealth Fund completed its thirteenth annual health policy
survey in 2010.[16] A study of the survey "found significant
differences in access, cost burdens, and problems with health
insurance that are associated with insurance design".[16] Of the
countries surveyed, the results indicated that people in the United
States had more out-of-pocket expenses, more disputes with insurance
companies than other countries, and more insurance payments denied;
paperwork was also higher although Germany had similarly high levels
of paperwork.[16]"

I presume that this information is available in more detail, and I'll
keep looking.


dave February 22nd 11 07:58 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On 02/22/2011 11:44 AM, bpnjensen wrote:


When are you going to offer something of substance instead of insults?


The thing that annoys me about most religious people and Republicans is
their complete refusal to consider that maybe, just maybe, they might
not have everything quite correctly sussed. That unflinching absolute
certitude is scary to a scientific mind.

bpnjensen February 22nd 11 08:26 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On Feb 22, 11:58*am, dave wrote:
On 02/22/2011 11:44 AM, bpnjensen wrote:



When are you going to offer something of substance instead of insults?


The thing that annoys me about most religious people and Republicans is
their complete refusal to consider that maybe, just maybe, they might
not have everything quite correctly sussed. That unflinching absolute
certitude is scary to a scientific mind.


....or any logical mind, for that matter.

dxAce February 22nd 11 10:10 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 


bpnjensen wrote:

On Feb 22, 1:23 am, dxAce wrote:
dave wrote:
On 02/21/2011 02:12 PM, dxAce wrote:


The GREED of Wall Street (Big
Business) brought you the Great Recession that we are in.


Nah, it was the likes of Barney (give it to me in the ass) Frank.


Not true. It was actually a handful of people at a handful of
institutions making greedy (and stupid) decisions. 2 acts of Congress,
criminal behavior by Moody's and S&P and some below the radar "waivers"
created a derivatives bubble. Barney Frank just provided the bubble
material. Phil Gramm, Alan Greenspan, Clinton, Geightner, etc. all went
crazy reversing the laws Roosevelt put in place. This is what happens
when business is deregulated.


These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
New Deal.


Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
Come-Along Winner!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Sorry, chum - Dave's right both in general and in detail, and
demonstrably so. You need to get your information somewhere other
than Fox Screws.


Sorry, Dave is incorrect. You need to get your information somewhere other than
your DNC handlers.



dxAce February 22nd 11 10:12 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 


bpnjensen wrote:

On Feb 22, 5:32 am, dxAce wrote:
dave wrote:
On 02/21/2011 11:27 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:


Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.


What do you mean "turn down more pre-existing
conditions"? Are you saying people with chronic conditions are denied
coverage? That is not my understanding.


Your problem is that you simply lack understanding and comprehension.

You are a mentally ill clown 'tard and it is you who need the voluntary
counselling.

Now go take your meds, Rickmers, and shut the hell up!


When are you going to offer something of substance instead of insults?


As soon as you and Rickmers offer something of substance rather than your
obviously Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist twaddle.



dxAce February 22nd 11 10:24 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 


bpnjensen wrote:

On Feb 22, 5:26 am, dave wrote:
On 02/21/2011 11:27 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:



Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.


What do you mean "turn down more pre-existing
conditions"? Are you saying people with chronic conditions are denied
coverage? That is not my understanding. Medicare is like group health
insurance; they have to cover you.


Again, from Wkipedia:

"The Commonwealth Fund, in its annual survey, "Mirror, Mirror on the
Wall", compares the performance of the health care systems in
Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada and the
U.S. Its 2007 study found that, although the U.S. system is the most
expensive, it consistently under-performs compared to the other
countries.[15] One difference between the U.S. and the other countries
in the study is that the U.S. is the only country without universal
health insurance coverage.

The Commonwealth Fund completed its thirteenth annual health policy
survey in 2010.[16] A study of the survey "found significant
differences in access, cost burdens, and problems with health
insurance that are associated with insurance design".[16] Of the
countries surveyed, the results indicated that people in the United
States had more out-of-pocket expenses, more disputes with insurance
companies than other countries, and more insurance payments denied;
paperwork was also higher although Germany had similarly high levels
of paperwork.[16]"

I presume that this information is available in more detail, and I'll
keep looking.


The Fund is currently led by president Karen Davis, a nationally recognized
progressive economist....

"Progressive", the new code word for Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist.

Your survey is poppycock.



dxAce February 22nd 11 10:38 PM

Starve the Beast
 


bpnjensen wrote:

On Feb 22, 5:30 am, dave wrote:
On 02/22/2011 01:23 AM, dxAce wrote:



These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
New Deal.


Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
Come-Along Winner!


I've been spot on so far, and you continue to be wrong and against the
people.

http://www.wordspy.com/words/starvethebeast.asp


It's a Conservative thing - people don't count, only $$$$$$$$$$$.


Actually the people do count, and the people have spoken at the polling place.

The people want change in Wisconsin, and they'll get it.

The people want change in Indiana, and they'll get it.

The people want change in Ohio, and they'll get it.

The people want change in Michigan, and they'll get it.

The list goes on.

Twenty six states have sued the Federal Government over health care, and
they'll get change.

A Federal Judge has ruled 'Obamacare' to be unconstitutional, yet the Obama
Regime continues to implement it. Boy, there's gonna be some change coming.

A prominent talk show host this afternoon intimated that before this is all
over there'll be some bloodshed.

As I stated a while ago, the revolution has begun, the people have woken up,
and are not going to be bullied by union thugs, not going to be bullied by
Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist politicians, and are not going to be
bullied by Big Government.



D. Peter Maus[_2_] February 22nd 11 10:49 PM

Starve the Beast
 
On 2/22/11 16:38 , dxAce wrote:


bpnjensen wrote:

On Feb 22, 5:30 am, wrote:
On 02/22/2011 01:23 AM, dxAce wrote:



These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
New Deal.

Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
Come-Along Winner!

I've been spot on so far, and you continue to be wrong and against the
people.

http://www.wordspy.com/words/starvethebeast.asp


It's a Conservative thing - people don't count, only $$$$$$$$$$$.


Actually the people do count, and the people have spoken at the polling place.

The people want change in Wisconsin, and they'll get it.

The people want change in Indiana, and they'll get it.

The people want change in Ohio, and they'll get it.

The people want change in Michigan, and they'll get it.

The list goes on.

Twenty six states have sued the Federal Government over health care, and
they'll get change.

A Federal Judge has ruled 'Obamacare' to be unconstitutional, yet the Obama
Regime continues to implement it. Boy, there's gonna be some change coming.

A prominent talk show host this afternoon intimated that before this is all
over there'll be some bloodshed.


This is not the first time I've heard this mentioned. In casual
conversations, I've heard talk of revolution, if there isn't an
accounting after the election.

At his victory gathering in Grant Park the first words out of
Obiteme's mouth were, "Change has come to America."

Prophetic. Profound. And very likely far more reaching than he
ever could have envisioned.


Joe from Kokomo[_2_] February 22nd 11 11:33 PM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On 2/22/2011 5:10 PM, dxAce wrote:

Sorry, Dave is incorrect. You need to get your information somewhere other than
your DNC handlers.


And YOU need to get your information from somewhere other than Rush
'Oxycontin' Limpballs, the Nazi gas bag that gets paid $50 million
dollars to shill for Big Business. ;-)

C'mon Steve, you're just a little working class guy like the rest of us.
Why are you getting in bed with the greedy rich *******s?

P.S.
I truly don't remember the country being *this* divided during the reign
of Bush Senior OR Clinton. It seemed to start with Bush Jr, possibly
because of his two wars. And make no mistake, this country is truly,
seriously divided, probably more so than any time since the Civil War.
Heck of a job, George W.

P.P.S.
It does indeed look like actual class warfare -- and Wisconsin is the
opening battle.

Speaking of Wisconsin, why doesn't Governor Walker man up and have the
balls to admit his main goal is to bust the unions.

1) Walker said it is (and continues to be) economic.

2) The unions said they would give him the economic concessions he wanted.

3) Walker turned them down cold.

Ergo, it -wasn't- economic after all and Walker is not being honest with
us (as in lying).

Per back issues of the Milwaukee Journal, when Walker was the county
exec for Milwaukee County, he fired all the union security guards and
replaced them with guards from Wackenhut, a BRITISH company (thanks for
getting rid of those Wisconsin jobs). Then an independent auditor ruled
that he illegally fired the original guards and that they had to be
re-hired, with back pay, costing the county $500,000. I'm seeing a
pattern he Walker seems to have a major league grudge against unions.

Walker also said to the 14 Dems in the Wisconsin legislature "Come back
and we will debate it". Then he said the whole issue is totally
non-negotiable. So, Guv, if it's *non-negotiable*, what's to debate, hmmm?

And while we are on the subject of Wisconsin politicians putting their
foot in their mouths, Rep. Paul Ryan went on national TV and said the
people in Madison were RIOTING.

Either he is incompetent (does not understand the meaning of the word
"rioting") or is just flat out lying. If he watched even 5 minutes of
the Madison TV coverage, he would have seen it was about as peaceful as
it could be.

m II February 23rd 11 12:06 AM

Starve the Beast
 
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On 11-02-22 03:49 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

A Federal Judge has ruled 'Obamacare' to be unconstitutional, yet the
Obama
Regime continues to implement it. Boy, there's gonna be some change
coming.

A prominent talk show host this afternoon intimated that before this
is all
over there'll be some bloodshed.


This is not the first time I've heard this mentioned. In casual
conversations, I've heard talk of revolution, if there isn't an
accounting after the election.

At his victory gathering in Grant Park the first words out of Obiteme's
mouth were, "Change has come to America."

Prophetic. Profound. And very likely far more reaching than he ever
could have envisioned.



Shooting more Democrats? I thought you said the last time was done by a
crazy person, not a radio talk show instigator. Palin and her cross
hairs must have been more than you were letting on.

Once the fruitcakes on the fringes start shooting at each other,
democracy in the US will cease to be...at least what little there is
left of it after the Patriot Act was brought in.

Rumour has it that the Act was composed and complete, ready to go, some
months before the Twin Towers.

mike



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dave February 23rd 11 12:22 AM

Starve the Beast
 
On 02/22/2011 02:49 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

Prophetic. Profound. And very likely far more reaching than he ever
could have envisioned.

Dream on.

[An army of 3 dozen 400 pound ditto-heads crests the hill, wheezing]

dave February 23rd 11 12:24 AM

Starve the Beast
 
On 02/22/2011 04:06 PM, m II wrote:

Shooting more Democrats? I thought you said the last time was done by a
crazy person, not a radio talk show instigator. Palin and her cross
hairs must have been more than you were letting on.

Once the fruitcakes on the fringes start shooting at each other,
democracy in the US will cease to be...at least what little there is
left of it after the Patriot Act was brought in.

Rumour has it that the Act was composed and complete, ready to go, some
months before the Twin Towers.

mike

Some parts of the Patriot Act were written by John Mitchell. They passed
a wish list, not a plan.

m II February 23rd 11 12:48 AM

Starve the Beast
 
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On 11-02-22 05:22 PM, dave wrote:
On 02/22/2011 02:49 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

Prophetic. Profound. And very likely far more reaching than he ever
could have envisioned.

Dream on.

[An army of 3 dozen 400 pound ditto-heads crests the hill, wheezing]


Careful, their Supreme Commander frequents this very newsgroup and will
get revenge by mentioning his alleged dad's appendage yet again. It's
been on his mind a lot these last few days. He's probably lonely.



mike



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dxAce February 23rd 11 01:01 AM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 


Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 2/22/2011 5:10 PM, dxAce wrote:

Sorry, Dave is incorrect. You need to get your information somewhere other than
your DNC handlers.


And YOU need to get your information from somewhere other than Rush
'Oxycontin' Limpballs, the Nazi gas bag that gets paid $50 million
dollars to shill for Big Business. ;-)

C'mon Steve, you're just a little working class guy like the rest of us.
Why are you getting in bed with the greedy rich *******s?


Why are you getting in bed with the Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialsts?

And who are the greedy rich *******s? Those who make and sell products and/or
services that you can decline to purchase by personal choice, or, those who will
steal your money via taxation, and, if you refuse to pay can come and confiscate your
worldly possessions by way of force/law?




dave February 23rd 11 01:47 AM

Whoops! Monsanto Develops Pesticide Resistant Super Weeds
 
On 02/22/2011 05:01 PM, dxAce wrote:


Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 2/22/2011 5:10 PM, dxAce wrote:

Sorry, Dave is incorrect. You need to get your information somewhere other than
your DNC handlers.


And YOU need to get your information from somewhere other than Rush
'Oxycontin' Limpballs, the Nazi gas bag that gets paid $50 million
dollars to shill for Big Business. ;-)

C'mon Steve, you're just a little working class guy like the rest of us.
Why are you getting in bed with the greedy rich *******s?


Why are you getting in bed with the Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialsts?

And who are the greedy rich *******s? Those who make and sell products and/or
services that you can decline to purchase by personal choice, or, those who will
steal your money via taxation, and, if you refuse to pay can come and confiscate your
worldly possessions by way of force/law?


How do you decline to purchase this:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO110...lways-wins.htm

??


Joe from Kokomo[_2_] February 23rd 11 02:10 AM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 



Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 2/22/2011 5:10 PM, dxAce wrote:

Sorry, Dave is incorrect. You need to get your information somewhere other than
your DNC handlers.


And YOU need to get your information from somewhere other than Rush
'Oxycontin' Limpballs, the Nazi gas bag that gets paid $50 million
dollars to shill for Big Business. ;-)

C'mon Steve, you're just a little working class guy like the rest of us.
Why are you getting in bed with the greedy rich *******s?


On 2/22/2011 8:01 PM, dxAce wrote:

Why are you getting in bed with the Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialsts?

And who are the greedy rich *******s? Those who make and sell products and/or
services that you can decline to purchase by personal choice, or, those who will
steal your money via taxation, and, if you refuse to pay can come and confiscate your
worldly possessions by way of force/law?


Have you ever heard of the phrase "checks and balances"?

Do your homework, review the auto companies of the 1930s, before the
unions came into being. There was a very good reason why the unions were
needed, namely Capital's rampant abuse of Labor.

Unions have had their share of excesses, as has Big Business (witness
the current Great Recession, courtesy of Big Business greed). You NEED
checks and balances. If the Repubs get their way and make the unions
disappear, there will be no protection for labor, nothing, NOTHING to
balance runaway greed.

It's that simple -- unions, even with their imperfections, are needed to
balance the greed of Capital. Again, do your homework and find out about
all the abuses that took place before unions.

Finally, you complain about "those who will steal your money via
taxation". What are you saying? That you don't want taxes at all? That
you only want some taxes? How much is too much? I don't know about you,
but I -like- our libraries, paved roads, traffic lights, police and fire
departments, all paid for by taxes. I presume your disability benefits
are helpful to you. You can be against taxes, but make sure you don't
shoot yourself in the foot.


Gary Forbis February 23rd 11 02:53 AM

The Free Obama-Care© 'Death Panel' Counseling -wrt- Coerced "Ending-Your-Life" Mandate
 
On Feb 22, 9:36*am, RHF wrote:
On Feb 22, 12:34*am, Gary Forbis wrote:

On Feb 21, 10:42*pm, RHF wrote:


More Liberal Lies !
More Democrat Deceptions !
More Liberal Lies !
More Democrat Deceptions !
More Liberal Lies !
More Democrat Deceptions !
More Liberal Lies !
More Democrat Deceptions !


- I can't tell if you are an idiot or are just playing one.
- You know that there is enough noise around here
- without someone playing mind games, stupid mind games.

Gary Forbis : ? "idiot" ?

Gary Forbis : ? "stupid" ?

Gary Forbis : ? "mind games" ?
*.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[: To Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} Name Calling :]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When An Ever So Super-Smart "Enlightened" Liberal
Democrat Socialist Starts Fascist Name Calling*.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...8979fbe8546cfa
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional
+ Plus They Often Snip/Delete What You Wrote :
To Disguise Their Complete Inability To Carry The
Argument Forward. -that-is-how-i-see-it- ~ RHF©


And yet I didn't snip what you wrote, I snipped what I wrote.
How does that play? I will reply in kind. If that's an indication
of "Winning An Argument" then I have won. But winning a silly
argument isn't my goal. I come here to inform and be informed.
The only arguments I care about are logical argument, that is
from premis to conclusion.

See it any way you wish. You have my permission.

[email protected] February 23rd 11 05:22 AM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On Feb 22, 2:41*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Feb 22, 1:23*am, dxAce wrote:





dave wrote:
On 02/21/2011 02:12 PM, dxAce wrote:


The GREED of Wall Street (Big
Business) brought you the Great Recession that we are in.


Nah, it was the likes of Barney (give it to me in the ass) Frank.


Not true. It was actually a handful of people at a handful of
institutions making greedy (and stupid) decisions. 2 acts of Congress,
criminal behavior by Moody's and S&P and some below the radar "waivers"
created a derivatives bubble. Barney Frank just provided the bubble
material. Phil Gramm, Alan Greenspan, Clinton, Geightner, etc. all went
crazy reversing the laws Roosevelt put in place. This is what happens
when business is deregulated.


These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
New Deal.


Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
Come-Along Winner!- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Sorry, chum - Dave's right both in general and in detail, and
demonstrably so. *You need to get your information somewhere other
than Fox Screws.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


It is called Foxy News . They are missing a lot of Screws . And Nuts .
And Washers .

[email protected] February 23rd 11 05:27 AM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
On Feb 22, 2:54*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Feb 22, 5:26*am, dave wrote:

On 02/21/2011 11:27 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:


Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.


What do you mean "turn down more pre-existing
conditions"? Are you saying people with chronic conditions are denied
coverage? That is not my understanding. Medicare is like group health
insurance; they have to cover you.


Again, from Wkipedia:

"The Commonwealth Fund, in its annual survey, "Mirror, Mirror on the
Wall", compares the performance of the health care systems in
Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada and the
U.S. Its 2007 study found that, although the U.S. system is the most
expensive, it consistently under-performs compared to the other
countries.[15] One difference between the U.S. and the other countries
in the study is that the U.S. is the only country without universal
health insurance coverage.

The Commonwealth Fund completed its thirteenth annual health policy
survey in 2010.[16] A study of the survey "found significant
differences in access, cost burdens, and problems with health
insurance that are associated with insurance design".[16] Of the
countries surveyed, the results indicated that people in the United
States had more out-of-pocket expenses, more disputes with insurance
companies than other countries, and more insurance payments denied;
paperwork was also higher although Germany had similarly high levels
of paperwork.[16]"

I presume that this information is available in more detail, and I'll
keep looking.


This was very well known for many years . It is exactly what the bio-
medical and insurance mafia has fought against for a very long time .

[email protected] February 23rd 11 05:40 AM

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 
I am watchin that Magic Jack infomercial on channel 225, the EDEN
channel.I saw those Magic Jacks for sale yesterday in that Dangerous
Walmart store.I don't want, nor do I need a stupid Magic Jack.
cuhulin



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