I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 

On Feb 22, 5:26*am, dave wrote:
On 02/21/2011 11:27 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:



Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.

What do you mean "turn down more pre-existing
conditions"? Are you saying people with chronic conditions are denied
coverage? That is not my understanding. Medicare is like group health
insurance; they have to cover you.

Again, from Wkipedia:

"The Commonwealth Fund, in its annual survey, "Mirror, Mirror on the
Wall", compares the performance of the health care systems in
Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada and the
U.S. Its 2007 study found that, although the U.S. system is the most
expensive, it consistently under-performs compared to the other
countries.[15] One difference between the U.S. and the other countries
in the study is that the U.S. is the only country without universal
health insurance coverage.

The Commonwealth Fund completed its thirteenth annual health policy
survey in 2010.[16] A study of the survey "found significant
differences in access, cost burdens, and problems with health
insurance that are associated with insurance design".[16] Of the
countries surveyed, the results indicated that people in the United
States had more out-of-pocket expenses, more disputes with insurance
companies than other countries, and more insurance payments denied;
paperwork was also higher although Germany had similarly high levels
of paperwork.[16]"

I presume that this information is available in more detail, and I'll
keep looking.

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 

On 02/22/2011 11:44 AM, bpnjensen wrote:


When are you going to offer something of substance instead of insults?

The thing that annoys me about most religious people and Republicans is
their complete refusal to consider that maybe, just maybe, they might
not have everything quite correctly sussed. That unflinching absolute
certitude is scary to a scientific mind.

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 

On Feb 22, 11:58*am, dave wrote:
On 02/22/2011 11:44 AM, bpnjensen wrote:



When are you going to offer something of substance instead of insults?

The thing that annoys me about most religious people and Republicans is
their complete refusal to consider that maybe, just maybe, they might
not have everything quite correctly sussed. That unflinching absolute
certitude is scary to a scientific mind.

....or any logical mind, for that matter.

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 

bpnjensen wrote:

On Feb 22, 1:23 am, dxAce wrote:
dave wrote:
On 02/21/2011 02:12 PM, dxAce wrote:

The GREED of Wall Street (Big
Business) brought you the Great Recession that we are in.

Nah, it was the likes of Barney (give it to me in the ass) Frank.

Not true. It was actually a handful of people at a handful of
institutions making greedy (and stupid) decisions. 2 acts of Congress,
criminal behavior by Moody's and S&P and some below the radar "waivers"
created a derivatives bubble. Barney Frank just provided the bubble
material. Phil Gramm, Alan Greenspan, Clinton, Geightner, etc. all went
crazy reversing the laws Roosevelt put in place. This is what happens
when business is deregulated.

These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
New Deal.

Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
Come-Along Winner!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry, chum - Dave's right both in general and in detail, and
demonstrably so. You need to get your information somewhere other
than Fox Screws.

Sorry, Dave is incorrect. You need to get your information somewhere other than
your DNC handlers.

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 

bpnjensen wrote:

On Feb 22, 5:32 am, dxAce wrote:
dave wrote:
On 02/21/2011 11:27 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.

What do you mean "turn down more pre-existing
conditions"? Are you saying people with chronic conditions are denied
coverage? That is not my understanding.

Your problem is that you simply lack understanding and comprehension.

You are a mentally ill clown 'tard and it is you who need the voluntary
counselling.

Now go take your meds, Rickmers, and shut the hell up!

When are you going to offer something of substance instead of insults?

As soon as you and Rickmers offer something of substance rather than your
obviously Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist twaddle.

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 

bpnjensen wrote:

On Feb 22, 5:26 am, dave wrote:
On 02/21/2011 11:27 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:



Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.

What do you mean "turn down more pre-existing
conditions"? Are you saying people with chronic conditions are denied
coverage? That is not my understanding. Medicare is like group health
insurance; they have to cover you.

Again, from Wkipedia:

"The Commonwealth Fund, in its annual survey, "Mirror, Mirror on the
Wall", compares the performance of the health care systems in
Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada and the
U.S. Its 2007 study found that, although the U.S. system is the most
expensive, it consistently under-performs compared to the other
countries.[15] One difference between the U.S. and the other countries
in the study is that the U.S. is the only country without universal
health insurance coverage.

The Commonwealth Fund completed its thirteenth annual health policy
survey in 2010.[16] A study of the survey "found significant
differences in access, cost burdens, and problems with health
insurance that are associated with insurance design".[16] Of the
countries surveyed, the results indicated that people in the United
States had more out-of-pocket expenses, more disputes with insurance
companies than other countries, and more insurance payments denied;
paperwork was also higher although Germany had similarly high levels
of paperwork.[16]"

I presume that this information is available in more detail, and I'll
keep looking.

The Fund is currently led by president Karen Davis, a nationally recognized
progressive economist....

"Progressive", the new code word for Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist.

Your survey is poppycock.

Starve the Beast
 

bpnjensen wrote:

On Feb 22, 5:30 am, dave wrote:
On 02/22/2011 01:23 AM, dxAce wrote:



These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
New Deal.

Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
Come-Along Winner!

I've been spot on so far, and you continue to be wrong and against the
people.

http://www.wordspy.com/words/starvethebeast.asp

It's a Conservative thing - people don't count, only $$$$$$$$$$$.

Actually the people do count, and the people have spoken at the polling place.

The people want change in Wisconsin, and they'll get it.

The people want change in Indiana, and they'll get it.

The people want change in Ohio, and they'll get it.

The people want change in Michigan, and they'll get it.

The list goes on.

Twenty six states have sued the Federal Government over health care, and
they'll get change.

A Federal Judge has ruled 'Obamacare' to be unconstitutional, yet the Obama
Regime continues to implement it. Boy, there's gonna be some change coming.

A prominent talk show host this afternoon intimated that before this is all
over there'll be some bloodshed.

As I stated a while ago, the revolution has begun, the people have woken up,
and are not going to be bullied by union thugs, not going to be bullied by
Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist politicians, and are not going to be
bullied by Big Government.

Starve the Beast
 

On 2/22/11 16:38 , dxAce wrote:


bpnjensen wrote:

On Feb 22, 5:30 am, wrote:
On 02/22/2011 01:23 AM, dxAce wrote:



These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
New Deal.

Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
Come-Along Winner!

I've been spot on so far, and you continue to be wrong and against the
people.

http://www.wordspy.com/words/starvethebeast.asp

It's a Conservative thing - people don't count, only $$$$$$$$$$$.

Actually the people do count, and the people have spoken at the polling place.

The people want change in Wisconsin, and they'll get it.

The people want change in Indiana, and they'll get it.

The people want change in Ohio, and they'll get it.

The people want change in Michigan, and they'll get it.

The list goes on.

Twenty six states have sued the Federal Government over health care, and
they'll get change.

A Federal Judge has ruled 'Obamacare' to be unconstitutional, yet the Obama
Regime continues to implement it. Boy, there's gonna be some change coming.

A prominent talk show host this afternoon intimated that before this is all
over there'll be some bloodshed.

This is not the first time I've heard this mentioned. In casual
conversations, I've heard talk of revolution, if there isn't an
accounting after the election.

At his victory gathering in Grant Park the first words out of
Obiteme's mouth were, "Change has come to America."

Prophetic. Profound. And very likely far more reaching than he
ever could have envisioned.

I got mine, screw the rest of ya!
 

On 2/22/2011 5:10 PM, dxAce wrote:

Sorry, Dave is incorrect. You need to get your information somewhere other than
your DNC handlers.

And YOU need to get your information from somewhere other than Rush
'Oxycontin' Limpballs, the Nazi gas bag that gets paid $50 million
dollars to shill for Big Business. ;-)

C'mon Steve, you're just a little working class guy like the rest of us.
Why are you getting in bed with the greedy rich *******s?

P.S.
I truly don't remember the country being *this* divided during the reign
of Bush Senior OR Clinton. It seemed to start with Bush Jr, possibly
because of his two wars. And make no mistake, this country is truly,
seriously divided, probably more so than any time since the Civil War.
Heck of a job, George W.

P.P.S.
It does indeed look like actual class warfare -- and Wisconsin is the
opening battle.

Speaking of Wisconsin, why doesn't Governor Walker man up and have the
balls to admit his main goal is to bust the unions.

1) Walker said it is (and continues to be) economic.

2) The unions said they would give him the economic concessions he wanted.

3) Walker turned them down cold.

Ergo, it -wasn't- economic after all and Walker is not being honest with
us (as in lying).

Per back issues of the Milwaukee Journal, when Walker was the county
exec for Milwaukee County, he fired all the union security guards and
replaced them with guards from Wackenhut, a BRITISH company (thanks for
getting rid of those Wisconsin jobs). Then an independent auditor ruled
that he illegally fired the original guards and that they had to be
re-hired, with back pay, costing the county $500,000. I'm seeing a
pattern he Walker seems to have a major league grudge against unions.

Walker also said to the 14 Dems in the Wisconsin legislature "Come back
and we will debate it". Then he said the whole issue is totally
non-negotiable. So, Guv, if it's *non-negotiable*, what's to debate, hmmm?

And while we are on the subject of Wisconsin politicians putting their
foot in their mouths, Rep. Paul Ryan went on national TV and said the
people in Madison were RIOTING.

Either he is incompetent (does not understand the meaning of the word
"rioting") or is just flat out lying. If he watched even 5 minutes of
the Madison TV coverage, he would have seen it was about as peaceful as
it could be.

Starve the Beast
 

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On 11-02-22 03:49 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

A Federal Judge has ruled 'Obamacare' to be unconstitutional, yet the
Obama
Regime continues to implement it. Boy, there's gonna be some change
coming.

A prominent talk show host this afternoon intimated that before this
is all
over there'll be some bloodshed.

This is not the first time I've heard this mentioned. In casual
conversations, I've heard talk of revolution, if there isn't an
accounting after the election.

At his victory gathering in Grant Park the first words out of Obiteme's
mouth were, "Change has come to America."

Prophetic. Profound. And very likely far more reaching than he ever
could have envisioned.



Shooting more Democrats? I thought you said the last time was done by a
crazy person, not a radio talk show instigator. Palin and her cross
hairs must have been more than you were letting on.

Once the fruitcakes on the fringes start shooting at each other,
democracy in the US will cease to be...at least what little there is
left of it after the Patriot Act was brought in.

Rumour has it that the Act was composed and complete, ready to go, some
months before the Twin Towers.

mike



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