On Mar 12, 5:58Â*pm, N∅ ∅baMa∅
wrote:

out comes the multiple personalities again i see. and your other
personalities, are just like you, you quote known fascists. so quite
projecting.


then you must agree with these statements correct?
"We must take from state authority those functions for which it is
incompetent and which it performs badly... I believe the state should
renounce its economic functions, especially those carried out through
monopolies, because the state is incompetent in such matters... We
must put an end to state railways, state postal service and state
insurance."
"hasten the privatization of municipal enterprises."
"We have broken with the practice of persecuting capital."

On 3/12/2011 7:14 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

they sure will. and the polls are solidly behind them. gee, it must
suck to be in the same league as hitler/musolinni, stalin, and mao

You sure got the part about "same league as hitler/musolinni, stalin,
and mao" right!

I monitor the Michigan MW news stations from here in Kokomo and I was
shocked (shocked, I say) at what Michigan's new Repug governor Snyder is
proposing: the EFM bill, Emergency Fund Manager. Unbelievable as it
seems, one of the powers this bill gives the EFM is "The power to
dissolve a municipal government". As Cuhulin would say, "Look it up".

The EFM can just "dissolve" a freely and duly elected municipal
government. This is not just chipping away at the foundation of our
country, it is -blasting- it away.

The dictators you listed above would be proud.

Another Snyder proposal:

1) Take 1.7 billion away from the elderly and school kids to give as a
gift to Business.

2) Have the bare-faced nerve to call this "shared" sacrifice.

Be afraid of the Repugs, be very afraid. They are a bigger threat to
this country than the so-called terrorists.

On Mar 12, 7:10*pm, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 3/12/2011 7:14 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

* they sure will. and the polls are solidly behind them. gee, it must
suck to be in the same league as hitler/musolinni, stalin, and mao

You sure got the part about "same league as hitler/musolinni, stalin,
and mao" right!

I monitor the Michigan MW news stations from here in Kokomo and I was
shocked (shocked, I say) at what Michigan's new Repug governor Snyder is
proposing: the EFM bill, Emergency Fund Manager. Unbelievable as it
seems, one of the powers this bill gives the EFM is "The power to
dissolve a municipal government". As Cuhulin would say, "Look it up".

The EFM can just "dissolve" a freely and duly elected municipal
government. This is not just chipping away at the foundation of our
country, it is -blasting- it away.

The dictators you listed above would be proud.

Another Snyder proposal:

1) Take 1.7 billion away from the elderly and school kids to give as a
gift to Business.

2) Have the bare-faced nerve to call this "shared" sacrifice.

Be afraid of the Repugs, be very afraid. They are a bigger threat to
this country than the so-called terrorists.

i have also heard that. its called the shock doctrine. hitler called
it bliztkreig. the conservatives/libertarians/fascists had to change
the name to fool the low information/low functioning types.
conservatives/libertarians/fascists are americas biggest welfare
recipients and cheaters.

new polling shows that 74% of Wisconsin families support collective
bargaining rights for public workers:scott "Moammar Gadhafi" walkers
feces splattered welfare cheat bankers took 2 billion from bush/have
not payed it back yet


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-b..._b_834879.html



Mary Bottari
Center for Media and Democracy
Posted: March 12, 2011 10:24 AM

WI Firefighters Spark "Move Your Money" Moment




On the day that the bill passed the Wisconsin Assembly effectively
ending 50 years of collective bargaining in Wisconsin and eviscerating
the ability of public unions to raise money through dues, a new front
opened in the battle for the future of Wisconsin families.
Bagpipes blaring, hundreds of firefighters walked across the street
from the Wisconsin Capitol building, stood outside the Marshall and
Ilsley Bank (M&I Bank) and played a few tunes -- loudly. Later, a
group of firefighter and consumers stopped back in at the bank to make
a few transactions. One by one they closed their accounts and withdrew
their life savings, totaling approximately $190,000. After the last
customer left, the bank quickly closed its doors, just in case the
spontaneous "Move Your Money" moment caught fire.
The sedate, old fashioned M&I Bank on the Capitol Square has gained
some notoriety in recent weeks. Oddly, a tunnel in the M&I parking
garage links to the capitol basement. Dubbed the "rat hole to the
Walker palace", the tunnel was used by Governor Scott Walker to ferry
lobbyists into the capitol building to hear his budget address during
a time when the capitol was in a virtual lock down in defiance of a
court order and after Sheriffs has quit the building refusing to be a
"palace guard."
Now the bank is getting caught up in the controversy again. Word is
beginning to spread that M&I is one of Walker's biggest backers. Top
executives at M&I Bank have long been boosters of Walker. M&I Chief
Executive Dennis Kuester and his wife gave $20,000 to Walker in recent
years. When you package individual and PAC contributions by employers,
M&I is number one -- at $57,000 dollars. The firm apparently uses a
conduit to bundle much of its money to Walker. Flyers, webpages, and
Facebook sites have popped up encouraging WI consumers to boycott
Walker campaign contributors and "Pull the Plug on M&I Bank." Other
banks whose employees have donated large sums to Walker, such as
Associated Bank and North Shore Bank may also be seeing their
customers soon.
Economic Transparency
Joe Conway, President Madison Fire Fighters Local 311, explained to
CMD that the action was totally spontaneous, but that "economic
transparency" was going to be a big theme in the fight ahead. "Groups
will be sending letters to Walker's major donors giving them the
opportunity to support the teachers, firefighters and police in their
community." Conway is well aware that new polling shows that 74% of
Wisconsin families support collective bargaining rights for public
workers.
Two of these letters are already in the mail to M&I Bank and Kwik
Trip. "The undersigned groups would like your company to publicly
oppose Governor Walker's efforts to virtually eliminate collective
bargaining for public employees in Wisconsin. In the event that you
cannot support this effort to save collective bargaining, please be
advised that the undersigned will publicly and formally boycott the
goods and services provided by your company," the letter says.
"However, if you join us, we will do everything in our power to
publicly celebrate your partnership in the fight to preserve the right
of public employees to be heard at the bargaining table."
The letters are signed by the heads of the Wisconsin Professional
Police Association, the Professional Fire Fighters of Wisconsin, the
International Association of Fire Fighters Local 311, Madison Teachers
Inc., Dane County Deputy Sheriffs Association and the Madison
Professional Police Officers Association.
Just the Beginning
Walker's list of campaign contributors is already in wide circulation
on websites like "Scott Walker Watch" and fast-growing Facebook pages
like "Boycott Scott Walkers Contributors". These grassroots efforts
are backed up by solid names and numbers extracted from the Wisconsin
Democracy Campaign (WDC) database, a nonpartisan, nonprofit
organization that tracks money in politics.
The WDC data shows that Walker's major contributors include a
diversity of national and state-based firms including Koch Brother
Industries, AT&T, Walmart, John Deere Tractor, Johnsonville Brats,
Miller/Coors, Kwik Trip, Sargento Cheese, and SC Johnson & Sons
(producers of Windex, Glade, Pledge etc). The letter writing effort is
being undertaken not to put people out of work, but to encourage
workers to let their bosses know it is time to reconsider their
support for Walker's newly revealed radical agenda.
Sam Hokin, a Wisconsinite and small businessman who started the
Facebook page in the early days of the protest, put the strategy
bluntly: "The only thing the Republicans care about is money. The only
way you can touch them is through their revenue. They don't care about
signs and protesters. They don't care about the opinion of the
majority of the people in the state, their bottom line is money."
Unions, pension funds, cities and counties and average consumers bank
at these banks and support these firms by buying their products and
services. They have tremendous clout in Wisconsin's small economy.
Greatest Heist in History
Wisconsin workers are keenly aware that they are part of a historic
push back that is spreading from state to state. After $14 trillion
dollars of housing wealth, wages and retirement savings were taken
from the middle class during the 2008 financial collapse, workers are
being asked to take it on the chin again. Michael Moore put it best:
"We aren't broke. Wisconsin is not broke. The country is awash in
wealth and cash. It's just that it's not in your hands. It has been
transferred, in the greatest heist in history, from the workers and
consumers to the banks and the portfolios of the über-rich."
M&I Bank is in the process of being bought by a Canadian bank. It took
$2 billion in TARP bailout money from the taxpayers and have yet to
pay it back. "They [state Republicans] came in like the Grim Reaper to
drive a knife into the heart of labor," yelled Jim Garity at a recent
rally. Garity is a unionized Jefferson County Highway Department
worker and leader. "But we are going to stand and we are not going to
bleed. Governor Walker's plan is to give more money to Wall Street,
but we are going to take back our money from Wall Street and put Main
Street to work!" Walker's recent moves include over $200 billion in
tax cuts for corporations while stripping $1 trillion from Wisconsin
schools and local governments.
The "take it back" movement is gaining steam. At the federal level,
AFL-CIO, SEIU are joined by consumer groups in a fight to apply a
small financial transaction tax to damaging Wall Street speculation in
order to recoup over $100 billion dollars a year for job creation and
other essential needs.
It's About Power
Walker's collective bargaining bill not only seeks to gut a 50 year
tradition in the state where public unions started, but by doing away
with automatic check off for union dues he seeks to cripple the the
ability of public sector unions to hire employees to organize, grow
and be a force in Wisconsin politics. State Senate Majority Leader
Scott Fitzgerald, one of Walker's closest allies in the legislature,
admitted as much to FOX News. "If we win this battle, and the money is
not there under the auspices of the unions, certainly what you're
going to find is President Obama is going to have a much difficult,
much more difficult time getting elected and winning the state of
Wisconsin," said Fitzgerald.
While some hold out hope for a general strike and vigorous recall
efforts are underway, others remain focused on leveraging the power of
the "sleeping giant" to force Walker to back down and to prevent
devastating cuts to schools and municipalities. Stay tuned. This fire
might be hard to contain.
The Madison-based Center for Media and Democracy has been reporting
live from the Wisconsin Capitol for four weeks. Learn more at our
website PRWatch.org.

On Mar 12, 6:05*am, Kevin Alfred Strom
wrote:
On 3/12/2011 8:39 AM, dave wrote:

On 03/11/2011 06:43 PM, Chas. Chan wrote:
On Mar 11, 8:21 am, wrote:
\

Government charges taxes. But you are too stupid to understand the
difference.

Government does the bidding of business. In a free country
corporations pay the bulk of the cost of government; in the USA the
corporations just buy the legislators and the mass media.

If you think that is freedom you are a tool.

If we used Major Douglas's Social Credit (instead of fractional
reserve banking) there would be no need for taxes most of the time.
Instead, there would be a social dividend paid directly to every
person and corporations would get none of it.

But, assuming that there would still be some emergencies and some
years in which taxation was still necessary, there are many good
arguments why _only_ corporations should be taxed and individuals
not taxed at all.

1. Corporations are created by the state and given special
privileges by the state and therefore deserve to bear the burden of
record-keeping and payment of taxes to support those privileges.
(And corporations by their very nature keep records anyway.
Record-keeping is an absurd and onerous burden to place on all
individuals.)

= 2. The argument will be made that "corporations
= just pass along their taxes to consumers."
= While that is true, it is actually an _advantage_
= because consumers could still choose not to pay
= by simply not buying (or buying far less) from
= corporations.

Corporate Taxes Are : Pay You Go Takes
* Consumption {Use} Taxes
* * Rewarding Less Consumption with Less Taxes
* * Requiring More Taxes From Those Who Over Consume
* Corporate Taxes Potentially Eliminate the
Need for any Income Taxes on the Lower 80%
and Focuses the Tax Collection on the Upper 20%
of High Income Earners One Tax Collector for Each
and Every High {Mega} Income Earner.

-hint- Corporate Taxes are a 'De-Facto' National Sales Tax.

Balancing Out a Corporate Taxes and Income Taxes
for High Income Earners -means- Either Way Their
Pay Their Full and Complete FAIR SHARE of The
Society That They Live In And Profit By :
* Tax Fairness
{Paying Their Fair Share of Disposable Income}
* Tax Equality
{Paying Their Fair Share of Disposable Income}
* Tax Justice
{Paying Their Fair Share For Society}
~translation~ Tax Freedom For 80% of Society

On Mar 12, 4:14*pm, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Mar 12, 12:51*pm, BillyBobMarley wrote:



On Mar 11, 11:30*am, Nickname unavailable wrote:

On Mar 11, 9:21*am, Sheldon Cooper wrote:

On Mar 10, 6:00*pm, Nickname unavailable wrote:

On Mar 10, 7:52*pm, "Chas. Chan" wrote:

On Mar 10, 7:43*pm, Nickname unavailable wrote:

On Mar 10, 7:39*pm, "Chas. Chan" wrote:

10.) You take a week off to protest in Wisconsin and your office runs
better.

9.) On a snow day, when they say “non-essential” people should stay
home you know who they mean.

8.) You get paid twice as much as a private sector person doing the
same job but make up the difference by doing half as much work.

7.) It takes longer to fire you than the average killer spends on
death row.

6.) The worse you do your job, the more your boss avoids you.

5.) You think the French are working themselves to death.

4.) You know by having a copy of the Holy Koran on your desk your job
is 100% safe.

3.) You spend more time at protest marches than at church.

2.) You have a Democratic congressman’s lips permanently attached to
your butt.

And the #1 way to tell if you might be a member of a public sector
union:

1.) You pay more in union dues than you do for your healthcare
insurance....

"These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland ... They
remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are
forbidden, freedom is lost." -- Ronald Reagan labor day address (1980)- Hide quoted text -

"All Government employees should realize that the process of
collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted
into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable
limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very
nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for
administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in
mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The
employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by
their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative
officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many
instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or
rules in personnel matters."

"Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics
have no place in the functions of any organization of Government
employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation
to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require
orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities.
This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with
the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees
manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or
obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are
satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by
those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable."

President Franklin D. Roosevelt

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/in...#axzz1GFf4jAGv

*who cares, he was wrong.

*LONG LIVE THE WISCONSIN FILIBUSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland ... They
remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are
forbidden, freedom is lost." -- Ronald Reagan labor day address (1980)

*“I want to urge devotion to the fundamentals of human liberty — the
principles of voluntarism. No lasting gain has ever come from
compulsion. If we seek to force, we but tear apart that which, united,
is invincible.”
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Samuel Gompers, founder of
the American Federation of Labor

*americans will remember the wisconsin filibuster.

and the way the democrats fled like the pussies that they are to
illinois.real *couraegeous move .
Yeah Americans will remember that.

*they sure will. and the polls are solidly behind them.

- gee, it must suck to be in the same league
- as hitler/musolinni, stalin, and mao

NnUa : Then It Must Really "SUCK" To Be You !

On Mar 12, 10:58*pm, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Mar 12, 9:20*pm, wrote:





On Mar 11, 9:50*pm, "Chas. Chan" wrote:

On Mar 11, 10:29*am, Nickname unavailable wrote:

On Mar 11, 7:20*am, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 3/10/2011 8:43 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

"These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland .... They
remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are
forbidden, freedom is lost." -- Ronald Reagan labor day address (1980)

Gee, I wonder how the brain dead tea-baggers are going to tap dance
around their Saint, Ronnie Reagan, actually -defending- collective
bargaining.

*you already see it. the original poster is getting ever more shrill,
posting under another alias(he has another one for sure, i am sure we
will see it soon), posting stuff that proves he is a fascist, then
trying to project that onto others. lets remind him that reagan was
once the president of the actors union, and that he supported gasp,
FDR

*Reagan described himself in the thirties and World War II as an
ardent New Dealer, awakening only to anticommunism in a bitter postwar
labor union battle with industry Stalinists. *And 1938 was arguably
the most seductive year for an ardent New Dealer to join the Party, as
both liberals and communists worked side by side in organizations and
the Party line of the moment was patriotic antifascism. *All of that
would end a year later when liberal suspicions about the geography of
the Party’s true loyalties were confirmed when the comrades closed
ranks around the Hitler-Stalin Pact.

http://www.SovietStory.com

*i am sure that ronnie saw how the fascists and communists hated labor
unions during the 1930's. and he remembered that when he made that
statement.

http://www.ShakedownSocialism.com

Those of us who have suffered either under official, vetted history
under totalitarian regimes or under equally edited works by academia
know that a historical lie doesn't require empirical proof, merely
repetition.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you actually have this qualification ?

*which one are you asking, he has used at least 3 alias's in this
thread. he is a really confused human being.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, this is turning into a 3 Ring Circus . What I meant to find out
if he (or she) has ANY IDEA what daily life is in a real tyrannical-
dictatorial-radical-ruled society ...

On 03/12/2011 04:10 PM, N∅ ∅baMa∅ wrote:


Unfortunately for your union addled brainwashed ignorant mind of a
parrot - PRESIDENT Reagan was defending a PRIVATE-INDEPENDANT NON-
PUBLIC union's collective bargaining against a SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST
government - ARE YOU SO STUPID OR DID YOUR MOTHER MATE WITH A HOMELESS
ALCOHOLIC MORON?


You should learn how to spell "independent" if you want to portray
yourself as a fierce advocate.

The line between private and public blurs with privatization of the
commons. No soul-less corporation wants to buy a waterworks with a union
workforce.

This is class war. The workers have awakened and are fighting back, with
overwhelming support of the people.

Look at these photos:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Kadie/1814

On 03/12/2011 05:10 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

The EFM can just "dissolve" a freely and duly elected municipal
government. This is not just chipping away at the foundation of our
country, it is -blasting- it away.

The dictators you listed above would be proud.

Another Snyder proposal:

1) Take 1.7 billion away from the elderly and school kids to give as a
gift to Business.

2) Have the bare-faced nerve to call this "shared" sacrifice.

Be afraid of the Repugs, be very afraid. They are a bigger threat to
this country than the so-called terrorists.


Righties get a little power, then over-reach. Every time. Luckily we
don't need the gatekeeper mass media anymore. The jigg is up.

I can't believe they're still denying climate change. That really won't
fly with they youth of America.

On 03/12/2011 06:51 PM, RHF wrote:
On Mar 11, 5:38 pm, Lamont wrote:
On 3/11/2011 5:05 AM, RHF wrote:



On Mar 10, 5:43 pm, Nickname wrote:
On Mar 10, 7:39 pm, "Chas. wrote:

10.) You take a week off to protest in Wisconsin and your office runs
better.

9.) On a snow day, when they say non-essential people should stay
home you know who they mean.

8.) You get paid twice as much as a private sector person doing the
same job but make up the difference by doing half as much work.

7.) It takes longer to fire you than the average killer spends on
death row.

6.) The worse you do your job, the more your boss avoids you.

5.) You think the French are working themselves to death.

4.) You know by having a copy of the Holy Koran on your desk your job
is 100% safe.

3.) You spend more time at protest marches than at church.

2.) You have a Democratic congressman s lips permanently attached to
your butt.

And the #1 way to tell if you might be a member of a public sector
union:

1.) You pay more in union dues than you do for your healthcare
insurance....

"These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland ... They
remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are
forbidden, freedom is lost." -- Ronald Reagan labor day address (1980)

Nickname Unavailable,

- - Liberal-Fascist :

- ...an oxymoron, since Fascists are right-winguts.

Lamont Cranston -it's-your- "oxy"
Lamont Cranston -and-it's-your- "moron"
Lamont Cranston -you-live-in-the-state-of- Denial !
.
Three (3) Phases of Liberal Decay : Ending in Liberal-Fascism
{Here are the Three (3) Phases of Liberal Decay into Fascism}
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...f4b03c6765f814
-star-trekie-speak-
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Ret..._%28episode%29
* Brother/Sister Are You "OF" 'The Party' ?
* Does The Teaching Of 'The Party' Abide Within You ?
* Does The Thoughts Of 'The Party' "Leader"
Guide Your Thoughts ?
* Let 'The Party' Change Your Life and Transform You !
* Let 'The Party' Give You Hope and Renew You !
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Body_of_Landru
? ARE YOU OF "THE BODY OF OBAMA" !
-blessing-be-upon-all-who-are-of-'the-obama'-
.
-wrt- The Validity of the Term "Liberal-Fascist" :
A 'Teachable Moment'© : Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.p...42c1756db9a173
.
=OBTW=
"Liberal-Fascism" -by- Jonah Goldberg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism
http://www.nationalreview.com/liberal-fascism
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/bo...shinsky-t.html
.
.

On Mar 13, 1:40*am, wrote:
On Mar 12, 10:58*pm, Nickname unavailable wrote:



On Mar 12, 9:20*pm, wrote:

On Mar 11, 9:50*pm, "Chas. Chan" wrote:

On Mar 11, 10:29*am, Nickname unavailable wrote:

On Mar 11, 7:20*am, Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 3/10/2011 8:43 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

"These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland ... They
remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are
forbidden, freedom is lost." -- Ronald Reagan labor day address (1980)

Gee, I wonder how the brain dead tea-baggers are going to tap dance
around their Saint, Ronnie Reagan, actually -defending- collective
bargaining.

*you already see it. the original poster is getting ever more shrill,
posting under another alias(he has another one for sure, i am sure we
will see it soon), posting stuff that proves he is a fascist, then
trying to project that onto others. lets remind him that reagan was
once the president of the actors union, and that he supported gasp,
FDR

*Reagan described himself in the thirties and World War II as an
ardent New Dealer, awakening only to anticommunism in a bitter postwar
labor union battle with industry Stalinists. *And 1938 was arguably
the most seductive year for an ardent New Dealer to join the Party, as
both liberals and communists worked side by side in organizations and
the Party line of the moment was patriotic antifascism. *All of that
would end a year later when liberal suspicions about the geography of
the Party’s true loyalties were confirmed when the comrades closed
ranks around the Hitler-Stalin Pact.

http://www.SovietStory.com

*i am sure that ronnie saw how the fascists and communists hated labor
unions during the 1930's. and he remembered that when he made that
statement.

http://www.ShakedownSocialism.com

Those of us who have suffered either under official, vetted history
under totalitarian regimes or under equally edited works by academia
know that a historical lie doesn't require empirical proof, merely
repetition.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Do you actually have this qualification ?

*which one are you asking, he has used at least 3 alias's in this
thread. he is a really confused human being.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

* Oh, this is turning into a 3 Ring Circus . What I meant to find out
if he (or she) has ANY IDEA what daily life is in a real tyrannical-
dictatorial-radical-ruled society *...

he does not know, although that is what he pines for.