On May 6, 9:31*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 5/6/2011 2:14 PM, John B. wrote:









On May 6, 5:09 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2011 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
*wrote this crap:

I would venture to guess that the government makes more off the sale of
a gallon of gas than is involved in all the profits of
mining/drilling/pumping/transporting/sale of all the private sector
business COMBINED!

The profits to government is already a heinous crime of the highest level!

Sir, you are correct. *The oil companies make only pennies per gallon
at the pump. *However, (from Wikipedia):

State Diesel Taxes, April 2009Fuel taxes in the United States vary by
state. The United States federal excise tax on gasoline, as of
February 2011, is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for
diesel fuel. In January 2011, motor gasoline taxes averaged 48.1 cents
per gallon and diesel fuel taxes averaged 53.1 cents per gallon.[8]
For the first quarter of 2009, the mean state gasoline tax is 27.2
cents per US gallon, plus 18.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making
the total 45.6 cents per US gallon (12.0 ¢/L). For diesel, the mean
state tax is 26.6 cents per US gallon plus an additional 24.4 cents
per US gallon federal tax making the total 50.8 cents US per gallon
(13.4 ¢/L).

It's not the oil companies gouging us, it's the government.

45.6 cents is slightly more than 10 percent of what I paid per gallon
to fill up my car yesterday. All the rest went to Sunoco.

Did it now? *The station owner makes a profit. *The delivery company
makes a profit. *The refineries and transportation companies get their
cut.

OK, fine, but your prior assertion was that the government took it all.

Actually, you might mean me. *And, it is my belief that government DOES
get over half of all the profit on a gallon of gas! *Through multiple
taxes on multiple facets of the oil industry, shipping, storing,
selling, etc.

Regards,
JS

No, I meant Horvath. But none of the taxes you mention are paid by
retail purchasers of gasoline.

"John B." wrote:

On May 6, 9:31 pm, John Smith wrote:
On 5/6/2011 2:14 PM, John B. wrote:









On May 6, 5:09 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2011 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
wrote this crap:

I would venture to guess that the government makes more off the sale of
a gallon of gas than is involved in all the profits of
mining/drilling/pumping/transporting/sale of all the private sector
business COMBINED!

The profits to government is already a heinous crime of the highest level!

Sir, you are correct. The oil companies make only pennies per gallon
at the pump. However, (from Wikipedia):

State Diesel Taxes, April 2009Fuel taxes in the United States vary by
state. The United States federal excise tax on gasoline, as of
February 2011, is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for
diesel fuel. In January 2011, motor gasoline taxes averaged 48.1 cents
per gallon and diesel fuel taxes averaged 53.1 cents per gallon.[8]
For the first quarter of 2009, the mean state gasoline tax is 27.2
cents per US gallon, plus 18.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making
the total 45.6 cents per US gallon (12.0 ¢/L). For diesel, the mean
state tax is 26.6 cents per US gallon plus an additional 24.4 cents
per US gallon federal tax making the total 50.8 cents US per gallon
(13.4 ¢/L).

It's not the oil companies gouging us, it's the government.

45.6 cents is slightly more than 10 percent of what I paid per gallon
to fill up my car yesterday. All the rest went to Sunoco.

Did it now? The station owner makes a profit. The delivery company
makes a profit. The refineries and transportation companies get their
cut.

OK, fine, but your prior assertion was that the government took it all.

Actually, you might mean me. And, it is my belief that government DOES
get over half of all the profit on a gallon of gas! Through multiple
taxes on multiple facets of the oil industry, shipping, storing,
selling, etc.

Regards,
JS

No, I meant Horvath. But none of the taxes you mention are paid by
retail purchasers of gasoline.

The end consumer pays all of the taxes as they are reflected in the price at the pump.

Elsewise, where does the money come from except from the end consumer as it flows up
the chain?

On May 7, 3:59*pm, dxAce wrote:
"John B." wrote:
On May 6, 9:31 pm, John Smith wrote:
On 5/6/2011 2:14 PM, John B. wrote:

On May 6, 5:09 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2011 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
*wrote this crap:

I would venture to guess that the government makes more off the sale of
a gallon of gas than is involved in all the profits of
mining/drilling/pumping/transporting/sale of all the private sector
business COMBINED!

The profits to government is already a heinous crime of the highest level!

Sir, you are correct. *The oil companies make only pennies per gallon
at the pump. *However, (from Wikipedia):

State Diesel Taxes, April 2009Fuel taxes in the United States vary by
state. The United States federal excise tax on gasoline, as of
February 2011, is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for
diesel fuel. In January 2011, motor gasoline taxes averaged 48.1 cents
per gallon and diesel fuel taxes averaged 53.1 cents per gallon.[8]
For the first quarter of 2009, the mean state gasoline tax is 27..2
cents per US gallon, plus 18.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making
the total 45.6 cents per US gallon (12.0 ¢/L). For diesel, the mean
state tax is 26.6 cents per US gallon plus an additional 24.4 cents
per US gallon federal tax making the total 50.8 cents US per gallon
(13.4 ¢/L).

It's not the oil companies gouging us, it's the government.

45.6 cents is slightly more than 10 percent of what I paid per gallon
to fill up my car yesterday. All the rest went to Sunoco.

Did it now? *The station owner makes a profit. *The delivery company
makes a profit. *The refineries and transportation companies get their
cut.

OK, fine, but your prior assertion was that the government took it all.

Actually, you might mean me. *And, it is my belief that government DOES
get over half of all the profit on a gallon of gas! *Through multiple
taxes on multiple facets of the oil industry, shipping, storing,
selling, etc.

Regards,
JS

No, I meant Horvath. But none of the taxes you mention are paid by
retail purchasers of gasoline.

The end consumer pays all of the taxes as they are reflected in the price at the pump.

Elsewise, where does the money come from except from the end consumer as it flows up
the chain?

Exactly.

On May 7, 3:59*pm, dxAce wrote:
"John B." wrote:
On May 6, 9:31 pm, John Smith wrote:
On 5/6/2011 2:14 PM, John B. wrote:

On May 6, 5:09 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2011 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
*wrote this crap:

I would venture to guess that the government makes more off the sale of
a gallon of gas than is involved in all the profits of
mining/drilling/pumping/transporting/sale of all the private sector
business COMBINED!

The profits to government is already a heinous crime of the highest level!

Sir, you are correct. *The oil companies make only pennies per gallon
at the pump. *However, (from Wikipedia):

State Diesel Taxes, April 2009Fuel taxes in the United States vary by
state. The United States federal excise tax on gasoline, as of
February 2011, is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for
diesel fuel. In January 2011, motor gasoline taxes averaged 48.1 cents
per gallon and diesel fuel taxes averaged 53.1 cents per gallon.[8]
For the first quarter of 2009, the mean state gasoline tax is 27..2
cents per US gallon, plus 18.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making
the total 45.6 cents per US gallon (12.0 ¢/L). For diesel, the mean
state tax is 26.6 cents per US gallon plus an additional 24.4 cents
per US gallon federal tax making the total 50.8 cents US per gallon
(13.4 ¢/L).

It's not the oil companies gouging us, it's the government.

45.6 cents is slightly more than 10 percent of what I paid per gallon
to fill up my car yesterday. All the rest went to Sunoco.

Did it now? *The station owner makes a profit. *The delivery company
makes a profit. *The refineries and transportation companies get their
cut.

OK, fine, but your prior assertion was that the government took it all.

Actually, you might mean me. *And, it is my belief that government DOES
get over half of all the profit on a gallon of gas! *Through multiple
taxes on multiple facets of the oil industry, shipping, storing,
selling, etc.

Regards,
JS

No, I meant Horvath. But none of the taxes you mention are paid by
retail purchasers of gasoline.

The end consumer pays all of the taxes as they are reflected in the price at the pump.

Elsewise, where does the money come from except from the end consumer as it flows up
the chain?

and... Then The-End-Consumer Asks For Higher Wages
To Pay For All Those Taxes Both Listed and [Hidden] and
in the end you get a cycle of spiraling inflation...

On 5/12/2011 3:19 PM, RHF wrote:
On May 7, 3:59 pm, wrote:
"John B." wrote:
On May 6, 9:31 pm, John wrote:
On 5/6/2011 2:14 PM, John B. wrote:

On May 6, 5:09 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2011 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
wrote this crap:

I would venture to guess that the government makes more off the sale of
a gallon of gas than is involved in all the profits of
mining/drilling/pumping/transporting/sale of all the private sector
business COMBINED!

The profits to government is already a heinous crime of the highest level!

Sir, you are correct. The oil companies make only pennies per gallon
at the pump. However, (from Wikipedia):

State Diesel Taxes, April 2009Fuel taxes in the United States vary by
state. The United States federal excise tax on gasoline, as of
February 2011, is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for
diesel fuel. In January 2011, motor gasoline taxes averaged 48.1 cents
per gallon and diesel fuel taxes averaged 53.1 cents per gallon.[8]
For the first quarter of 2009, the mean state gasoline tax is 27.2
cents per US gallon, plus 18.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making
the total 45.6 cents per US gallon (12.0 ¢/L). For diesel, the mean
state tax is 26.6 cents per US gallon plus an additional 24.4 cents
per US gallon federal tax making the total 50.8 cents US per gallon
(13.4 ¢/L).

It's not the oil companies gouging us, it's the government.

45.6 cents is slightly more than 10 percent of what I paid per gallon
to fill up my car yesterday. All the rest went to Sunoco.

Did it now? The station owner makes a profit. The delivery company
makes a profit. The refineries and transportation companies get their
cut.

OK, fine, but your prior assertion was that the government took it all.

Actually, you might mean me. And, it is my belief that government DOES
get over half of all the profit on a gallon of gas! Through multiple
taxes on multiple facets of the oil industry, shipping, storing,
selling, etc.

Regards,
JS

No, I meant Horvath. But none of the taxes you mention are paid by
retail purchasers of gasoline.

The end consumer pays all of the taxes as they are reflected in the price at the pump.

Elsewise, where does the money come from except from the end consumer as it flows up
the chain?

and... Then The-End-Consumer Asks For Higher Wages
To Pay For All Those Taxes Both Listed and [Hidden] and
in the end you get a cycle of spiraling inflation...

Remember before the 1970's when price controls where in effect, prices
remained stable and inflation was 0%?

Grandmas' and grandpas' retirement would carry them to their end days,
leaving enough for an inheritance to family and friends?

That is what inflation is all about, stealing from grandma and grandpa
to pay the new workers, so the rich/elite/tax-sheltered don't have to
contribute!

Regards,
JS

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On 5/12/2011 6:58 PM, John Smith wrote:
[...]

Remember before the 1970's when price controls where in effect,
prices remained stable and inflation was 0%?

Grandmas' and grandpas' retirement would carry them to their end
days, leaving enough for an inheritance to family and friends?

That is what inflation is all about, stealing from grandma and
grandpa to pay the new workers, so the rich/elite/tax-sheltered
don't have to contribute!

Regards,
JS



Much of what you say is true.

But price controls don't stop inflation. They just prevent
businesses from compensating for inflation. Under price controls,
Grandmoms and Grandpops AND business owners are victims of theft by
the bankers. And the idea that Big Brother should control the prices
of private transactions is anathema to anyone who treasures freedom.

Inflation is not "an increase in prices." Inflation _causes_ an
increase in prices.

Inflation is a relative increase of the money supply. That increase
can only be caused by 1) government, 2) banks, or 3) counterfeiters.

There should be no inflation. There is no reason whatever that the
dollar could not be a fixed and honest measure, like the mile or the
ounce or the minute.

The real reason it is not an honest measure is because bankers and
vote-buying politicians like to create money out of thin air. _That_
is inflation. That is what steals the savings of the thrifty and
forces us to work our entire lives to pay usury to the bankers, who
have a license to create money out of nothing and do _nothing_
productive to earn their huge profits.

Read C.H. Douglas, _Social Credit_, if you want to understand what
is really going on.


With all good wishes,


Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

On 5/13/2011 5:33 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
On 5/12/2011 6:58 PM, John Smith wrote:
[...]

Remember before the 1970's when price controls where in effect,
prices remained stable and inflation was 0%?

Grandmas' and grandpas' retirement would carry them to their end
days, leaving enough for an inheritance to family and friends?

That is what inflation is all about, stealing from grandma and
grandpa to pay the new workers, so the rich/elite/tax-sheltered
don't have to contribute!

Regards,
JS



Much of what you say is true.

But price controls don't stop inflation. They just prevent businesses
from compensating for inflation. Under price controls, Grandmoms and
Grandpops AND business owners are victims of theft by the bankers. And
the idea that Big Brother should control the prices of private
transactions is anathema to anyone who treasures freedom.

Inflation is not "an increase in prices." Inflation _causes_ an increase
in prices.

Inflation is a relative increase of the money supply. That increase can
only be caused by 1) government, 2) banks, or 3) counterfeiters.

There should be no inflation. There is no reason whatever that the
dollar could not be a fixed and honest measure, like the mile or the
ounce or the minute.

The real reason it is not an honest measure is because bankers and
vote-buying politicians like to create money out of thin air. _That_ is
inflation. That is what steals the savings of the thrifty and forces us
to work our entire lives to pay usury to the bankers, who have a license
to create money out of nothing and do _nothing_ productive to earn their
huge profits.

Read C.H. Douglas, _Social Credit_, if you want to understand what is
really going on.


With all good wishes,


Kevin Alfred Strom.

Price controls would never be effective if applied to American goods.

The controls would be enacted as tariffs on foreign goods to employ
Americans making American products.

The price controls would be on taxes, and eliminating/stopping them, as
well as government fees/licenses/fines/charges/etc.

The price controls would be regulations on government, banking, wall
street, etc. Since all of businesses costs would become stable,
business would only be called out on the rug when it raised the cost of
its' products ...

You don't attempt to capture the swine once it has escaped the barn, you
enact good controls on the barn so the swine can't escape.

Anything less ends up just being, "Steal the wealth from the old to pay
for the carrots to hang before the young."

Regards,
JS

On May 13, 8:33*am, Kevin Alfred Strom
wrote:
On 5/12/2011 6:58 PM, John Smith wrote:
[...]



Remember before the 1970's when price controls where in effect,
prices remained stable and inflation was 0%?

Grandmas' and grandpas' retirement would carry them to their end
days, leaving enough for an inheritance to family and friends?

That is what inflation is all about, stealing from grandma and
grandpa to pay the new workers, so the rich/elite/tax-sheltered
don't have to contribute!

Regards,
JS

Much of what you say is true.

But price controls don't stop inflation. They just prevent
businesses from compensating for inflation. Under price controls,
Grandmoms and Grandpops AND business owners are victims of theft by
the bankers. And the idea that Big Brother should control the prices
of private transactions is anathema to anyone who treasures freedom.

Inflation is not "an increase in prices." Inflation _causes_ an
increase in prices.

Inflation is a relative increase of the money supply. That increase
can only be caused by 1) government, 2) banks, or 3) counterfeiters.

There should be no inflation. There is no reason whatever that the
dollar could not be a fixed and honest measure, like the mile or the
ounce or the minute.

The real reason it is not an honest measure is because bankers and
vote-buying politicians like to create money out of thin air. _That_
is inflation. That is what steals the savings of the thrifty and
forces us to work our entire lives to pay usury to the bankers, who
have a license to create money out of nothing and do _nothing_
productive to earn their huge profits.

Read C.H. Douglas, _Social Credit_, if you want to understand what
is really going on.

With all good wishes,

Kevin Alfred Strom.
--http://nationalvanguard.org/http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

I'm not an economist, but inflation seems to me a fact of life in a
market economy. The price of almost everything goes up over time, not
just in the U.S. but in every country on earth. Bankers and
politicians can't "create money out of thin air," as much as they'd
like to.

On 5/14/2011 12:17 AM, Keith wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2011 08:33:15 -0400, Kevin Alfred Strom
wrote:

Read C.H. Douglas, _Social Credit_, if you want to understand what
is really going on.


Socialism (Fascism or Communism) in all of it's forms does not work.
Neither does capitalism work. They both lead to absolute rule by a
government body or person. A mixed economy with elements of both type of
economies is what will work in the long haul. The US and Europe have a
mixed economy with socialism and capitalism. China also has a mixed
economy though it's government has more control over political and social
speech at the present.




Clifford Hugh Douglas's _Social Credit_ isn't about socialism.

It is about making the dollar an honest measure of value. It is
about preventing the banks from monopolizing and profiting from the
people's credit. In the process of solving these problems, it also
makes income taxes unnecessary. It's worth reading.


With all good wishes,



Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/