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Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF:
On Oct 8, 5:13 pm, Thomas wrote: Am 09.10.2011 00:23, schrieb RHF: Alcohol is a drug in a way and cigarettes make quite addictive, but that was not, what I meant with illegal drugs. I mean stuff like crack or heroine. These create a certain kind of physical addiction, that is very hard to cure and forces the addictive person to use these substances, unless they want to get severe pain and health problems. Like any substance, the price depends. It is a question of the way, these substances are produced and not of the stuff itself. In Afghanistan a great deal of the raw material is produced. This could be bought there for relatively moderate prices. The processing to a drug is usual chemical work, that any good pharmaceutical plant could do. - So the single dose could be provided for - very low costs - in case the government - would provide this. It should - of course - be limited to real addictive people and - in fact for free, Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Alcohol for Drunks -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. -again- ? why should 'i' work all day and pay taxes to support someone else not working; pluspay for them to get high/loaded on illegal drugs& alcohol& tobacco ? =no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF . The government is not responsible for your daily kicks. What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes. These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they do something, than mostly illegal stuff. Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes, the costs are also worth to mention. To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is prosecuted. And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading. If the addictive person gets his daily dose, the related crimes could be greatly reduced. This alone would be a justification. But there is more, since the income from drugs are often used to finance other unwanted activities. (All the third-world guerillas for example live more or less from drugs.) Anyhow: things like this will not happen, because positive effects for you are negative effects for other people, that are not really happy about loosing their income. TH |
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On Oct 9, 9:31*am, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF: On Oct 8, 5:13 pm, Thomas *wrote: Am 09.10.2011 00:23, schrieb RHF: Alcohol is a drug in a way and cigarettes make quite addictive, but that was not, what I meant with illegal drugs. I mean stuff like crack or heroine. These create a certain kind of physical addiction, that is very hard to cure and forces the addictive person to use these substances, unless they want to get severe pain and health problems. Like any substance, the price depends. It is a question of the way, these substances are produced and not of the stuff itself. In Afghanistan a great deal of the raw material is produced. This could be bought there for relatively moderate prices. The processing to a drug is usual chemical work, that any good pharmaceutical plant could do. - So the single dose could be provided for - very low costs - in case the government - would provide this. It should - of course - be limited to real addictive people and - in fact for free, Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Alcohol for Drunks -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. -again- ? why should 'i' work all day and pay taxes to support someone else not working; pluspay for them to get high/loaded on illegal drugs& *alcohol& *tobacco ? =no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF * . The government is not responsible for your daily kicks. What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes. These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they do something, than mostly illegal stuff. Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes, the costs are also worth to mention. To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is prosecuted. And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading. So to "Dry-Out" the Alcohol Market We Should Give It Away for Free Too ! So to "Dry-Out" the Tobacco Market We Should Give It Away for Free Too ! |
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Am 10.10.2011 03:14, schrieb RHF:
On Oct 9, 9:31 am, Thomas wrote: Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF: Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Alcohol for Drunks -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. -again- ? why should 'i' work all day and pay taxes to support someone else not working; pluspay for them to get high/loaded on illegal drugs& alcohol& tobacco ? =no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF . The government is not responsible for your daily kicks. What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes. These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they do something, than mostly illegal stuff. Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes, the costs are also worth to mention. To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is prosecuted. And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading. So to "Dry-Out" the Alcohol Market We Should Give It Away for Free Too ! You cannot do that, because alcohol is in the end a cheap chemical, that anybody could easily produce at home. Crack is different and the kind of addiction is. This is, what makes these substances so dangerous. Than crack is relatively expensive, hence of much greater interest for criminals, because the profit rate is enormously high. Only the business is very risky and one dealing with drugs could easily end up in a prison (or worse). To reduce the profit rate, the drug had to be cheaper, but less available. This could only be achieved, if the substances are handed out for free (or low price) in controlled situations. This would modify the 'terms of trade', because the real addictive people are then off the streets. Alcohol is more a health problem for the individual, than a great deal for the criminals. So alcoholism needs other means to to cure it. So to "Dry-Out" the Tobacco Market We Should Give It Away for Free Too ! You insist on this 'for free', but I don't. Actually a moderate (low) price would have the same effect and would possibly look less dubious. Tobacco is a risk for the health, too, but to smoke is an individual decision and not such a problem for the society in general. The addictive people do a lot of illegal things, like breaking into homes, stealing cars, robbery and alike, to finance their addiction. So these drug dealer profit in the end from these crimes. The question for me was, how to reduce crime and not how to reduce the individual costs for 'kicks'. TH |
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On 10/9/2011 10:15 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 10.10.2011 03:14, schrieb RHF: On Oct 9, 9:31 am, Thomas wrote: Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF: Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Alcohol for Drunks -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. -again- ? why should 'i' work all day and pay taxes to support someone else not working; pluspay for them to get high/loaded on illegal drugs& alcohol& tobacco ? =no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF . The government is not responsible for your daily kicks. What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes. These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they do something, than mostly illegal stuff. Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes, the costs are also worth to mention. To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is prosecuted. And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading. So to "Dry-Out" the Alcohol Market We Should Give It Away for Free Too ! You cannot do that, because alcohol is in the end a cheap chemical, that anybody could easily produce at home. Crack is different and the kind of addiction is. This is, what makes these substances so dangerous. Than crack is relatively expensive, hence of much greater interest for criminals, because the profit rate is enormously high. Only the business is very risky and one dealing with drugs could easily end up in a prison (or worse). To reduce the profit rate, the drug had to be cheaper, but less available. This could only be achieved, if the substances are handed out for free (or low price) in controlled situations. This would modify the 'terms of trade', because the real addictive people are then off the streets. Alcohol is more a health problem for the individual, than a great deal for the criminals. So alcoholism needs other means to to cure it. So to "Dry-Out" the Tobacco Market We Should Give It Away for Free Too ! You insist on this 'for free', but I don't. Actually a moderate (low) price would have the same effect and would possibly look less dubious. Tobacco is a risk for the health, too, but to smoke is an individual decision and not such a problem for the society in general. The addictive people do a lot of illegal things, like breaking into homes, stealing cars, robbery and alike, to finance their addiction. So these drug dealer profit in the end from these crimes. The question for me was, how to reduce crime and not how to reduce the individual costs for 'kicks'. TH Crack, methamphetamine and highly refined cocaine have removed people from my life ... I believe that these drugs are highly dangerous. However, some people do seem to be able to use them for recreation with few dangerous repercussions, or even none at all ... some it kills quickly. The worst thing I have noticed about methamphetamine (or crack) is that people go crazy from lack of sleep, poor nutrition, etc. I would strongly caution people NOT to consume these drugs, as in most cases where friends or people I have known about have taken these drugs, to excess, it has killed them, left them in mental wards, destroyed their health, etc. Still, I would not have people punished for using these drugs -- they do enough harm to themselves, why would I want to abuse them further ... however, any crimes they commit should be prosecuted ... if people are going to commit suicide, and they can't get drugs to do it with, they will find another way ... Regards, JS |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... On 10/9/2011 10:15 PM, Thomas Heger wrote: Am 10.10.2011 03:14, schrieb RHF: On Oct 9, 9:31 am, Thomas wrote: Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF: Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Alcohol for Drunks -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. -again- ? why should 'i' work all day and pay taxes to support someone else not working; pluspay for them to get high/loaded on illegal drugs& alcohol& tobacco ? =no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF . The government is not responsible for your daily kicks. What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes. These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they do something, than mostly illegal stuff. Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes, the costs are also worth to mention. To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is prosecuted. And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading. So to "Dry-Out" the Alcohol Market We Should Give It Away for Free Too ! You cannot do that, because alcohol is in the end a cheap chemical, that anybody could easily produce at home. Crack is different and the kind of addiction is. This is, what makes these substances so dangerous. Than crack is relatively expensive, hence of much greater interest for criminals, because the profit rate is enormously high. Only the business is very risky and one dealing with drugs could easily end up in a prison (or worse). To reduce the profit rate, the drug had to be cheaper, but less available. This could only be achieved, if the substances are handed out for free (or low price) in controlled situations. This would modify the 'terms of trade', because the real addictive people are then off the streets. Alcohol is more a health problem for the individual, than a great deal for the criminals. So alcoholism needs other means to to cure it. So to "Dry-Out" the Tobacco Market We Should Give It Away for Free Too ! You insist on this 'for free', but I don't. Actually a moderate (low) price would have the same effect and would possibly look less dubious. Tobacco is a risk for the health, too, but to smoke is an individual decision and not such a problem for the society in general. The addictive people do a lot of illegal things, like breaking into homes, stealing cars, robbery and alike, to finance their addiction. So these drug dealer profit in the end from these crimes. The question for me was, how to reduce crime and not how to reduce the individual costs for 'kicks'. TH Crack, methamphetamine and highly refined cocaine have removed people from my life ... I believe that these drugs are highly dangerous. However, some people do seem to be able to use them for recreation with few dangerous repercussions, or even none at all ... some it kills quickly. The worst thing I have noticed about methamphetamine (or crack) is that people go crazy from lack of sleep, poor nutrition, etc. I would strongly caution people NOT to consume these drugs, as in most cases where friends or people I have known about have taken these drugs, to excess, it has killed them, left them in mental wards, destroyed their health, etc. Still, I would not have people punished for using these drugs -- they do enough harm to themselves, why would I want to abuse them further ... however, any crimes they commit should be prosecuted ... if people are going to commit suicide, and they can't get drugs to do it with, they will find another way ... One thing to remember about all drugs of this nature is how much it was adulterated and with what. That is an unknown. Hence the regular occurrences of overdoses, and the effects of toxins and chemicals which shouldn't even be in a drug. What's been mixed in may be more of a danger than the drug itself. Just saying. One does have to wonder what the impact of a controlled pharmaceutical grade form of these drugs would have vs the "bathroom gin" that's currently in supply. |
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On Oct 9, 10:15*pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 10.10.2011 03:14, schrieb RHF: On Oct 9, 9:31 am, Thomas *wrote: Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF: Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Alcohol for Drunks -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. -again- ? why should 'i' work all day and pay taxes to support someone else not working; pluspay for them to get high/loaded on illegal drugs& * *alcohol& * *tobacco ? =no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF * *. The government is not responsible for your daily kicks. What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes. These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they do something, than mostly illegal stuff. Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes, the costs are also worth to mention. To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is prosecuted. And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading. So to "Dry-Out" the Alcohol Market We Should Give It Away for Free Too ! You cannot do that, because alcohol is in the end a cheap chemical, that anybody could easily produce at home. Crack is different and the kind of addiction is. This is, what makes these substances so dangerous. Than crack is relatively expensive, hence of much greater interest for criminals, because the profit rate is enormously high. Only the business is very risky and one dealing with drugs could easily end up in a prison (or worse). To reduce the profit rate, the drug had to be cheaper, but less available. This could only be achieved, if the substances are handed out for free (or low price) in controlled situations. This would modify the 'terms of trade', because the real addictive people are then off the streets. Alcohol is more a health problem for the individual, than a great deal for the criminals. So alcoholism needs other means to to cure it. So to "Dry-Out" the Tobacco Market We Should Give It Away for Free Too ! You insist on this 'for free', but I don't. Actually a moderate (low) price would have the same effect and would possibly look less dubious. Tobacco is a risk for the health, too, but to smoke is an individual decision and not such a problem for the society in general. The addictive people do a lot of illegal things, like breaking into homes, stealing cars, robbery and alike, to finance their addiction. So these drug dealer profit in the end from these crimes. The question for me was, how to reduce crime and not how to reduce the individual costs for 'kicks'. TH I simply 'view' Drug Addiction to a long slow process leading to Death : Giving Drug Addicts; All the Free Drugs that They Want; and as Much as They Can Handle to the Conclusion of that Inevitable Death is just hurrying the process along : For the Betterment of Society. * Cut a Lifetime {~33 Years} of Drug Addiction, Crime and Victimization Down to Less than a Decade. -let-the-drug-addicts-eradicate-themselves- Balance Free Drugs -with- No Medical Treatment for Drug ODs and Drug Related Illnesses -same-goes-for- Tobacco and Lung Cancer -and- Alcohol and Liver Disease =They=Are=All=Acts=of=Suicide= |
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On 10/10/2011 1:12 AM, RHF wrote:
... I simply 'view' Drug Addiction to a long slow process leading to Death : Giving Drug Addicts; All the Free Drugs that They Want; and as Much as They Can Handle to the Conclusion of that Inevitable Death is just hurrying the process along : For the Betterment of Society. * Cut a Lifetime {~33 Years} of Drug Addiction, Crime and Victimization Down to Less than a Decade. -let-the-drug-addicts-eradicate-themselves- Balance Free Drugs -with- No Medical Treatment for Drug ODs and Drug Related Illnesses -same-goes-for- Tobacco and Lung Cancer -and- Alcohol and Liver Disease =They=Are=All=Acts=of=Suicide= . Well, ... I simply think of it as empowering people, allowing them free access to their God given rights and resources ... God gave them free will, I don't need to override his decision. I would always support help for "fallen people", people who have made mistakes ... get them away from their addiction and back into self sufficiency ... I mean, I'd do no less for an animal who got itself in "a bad situation", to do any less for a human would declare myself subhuman, IMHO ... Like I say, I have a strong respect for the creator given rights and resources referenced by the forefathers ... it would simply be un-American to not support them with my very life ... And, I think the 10 commandments have it all covered nicely, if they aren't breaking them, they are not offending me or society ... and frankly, there are still areas there where I have no business sticking my nose into -- I mean, if they are disrespecting their parents, they and their parents will have to settle that out ... Regards, JS |
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On 10/9/2011 9:31 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF: On Oct 8, 5:13 pm, Thomas wrote: Am 09.10.2011 00:23, schrieb RHF: Alcohol is a drug in a way and cigarettes make quite addictive, but that was not, what I meant with illegal drugs. I mean stuff like crack or heroine. These create a certain kind of physical addiction, that is very hard to cure and forces the addictive person to use these substances, unless they want to get severe pain and health problems. Like any substance, the price depends. It is a question of the way, these substances are produced and not of the stuff itself. In Afghanistan a great deal of the raw material is produced. This could be bought there for relatively moderate prices. The processing to a drug is usual chemical work, that any good pharmaceutical plant could do. - So the single dose could be provided for - very low costs - in case the government - would provide this. It should - of course - be limited to real addictive people and - in fact for free, Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Alcohol for Drunks -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. -again- ? why should 'i' work all day and pay taxes to support someone else not working; pluspay for them to get high/loaded on illegal drugs& alcohol& tobacco ? =no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF . The government is not responsible for your daily kicks. What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes. These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they do something, than mostly illegal stuff. Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes, the costs are also worth to mention. To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is prosecuted. And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading. If the addictive person gets his daily dose, the related crimes could be greatly reduced. This alone would be a justification. But there is more, since the income from drugs are often used to finance other unwanted activities. (All the third-world guerillas for example live more or less from drugs.) Anyhow: things like this will not happen, because positive effects for you are negative effects for other people, that are not really happy about loosing their income. TH Actually, untrue ... in countries where the drugs are "legal" you find lawyers, doctors, judges, bankers, etc. which die of old age and are addicted to such drugs as opiates ... The real danger is the high cost of drugs and the difficulty obtaining them, that is why people are murdered in holdups, home burglaries, etc. Give 'em the drugs and let them go crash in a flop house ... Pick up any newspaper, pay close attention to the specifics of most killings ... you will find that the majority revolve around the illegality of drugs and someone committing a crime to get the drugs ... Regards, JS |
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On Oct 9, 10:39*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/9/2011 9:31 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF: On Oct 8, 5:13 pm, Thomas wrote: Am 09.10.2011 00:23, schrieb RHF: Alcohol is a drug in a way and cigarettes make quite addictive, but that was not, what I meant with illegal drugs. I mean stuff like crack or heroine. These create a certain kind of physical addiction, that is very hard to cure and forces the addictive person to use these substances, unless they want to get severe pain and health problems. Like any substance, the price depends. It is a question of the way, these substances are produced and not of the stuff itself. In Afghanistan a great deal of the raw material is produced. This could be bought there for relatively moderate prices. The processing to a drug is usual chemical work, that any good pharmaceutical plant could do. - So the single dose could be provided for - very low costs - in case the government - would provide this. It should - of course - be limited to real addictive people and - in fact for free, Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Alcohol for Drunks -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too ! Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers -if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers. -again- ? why should 'i' work all day and pay taxes to support someone else not working; pluspay for them to get high/loaded on illegal drugs& alcohol& tobacco ? =no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF . The government is not responsible for your daily kicks. What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes. These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they do something, than mostly illegal stuff. Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes, the costs are also worth to mention. To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is prosecuted. And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading. If the addictive person gets his daily dose, the related crimes could be greatly reduced. This alone would be a justification. But there is more, since the income from drugs are often used to finance other unwanted activities. (All the third-world guerillas for example live more or less from drugs.) Anyhow: things like this will not happen, because positive effects for you are negative effects for other people, that are not really happy about loosing their income. TH Actually, untrue ... in countries where the drugs are "legal" you find lawyers, doctors, judges, bankers, etc. which die of old age and are addicted to such drugs as opiates ... The real danger is the high cost of drugs and the difficulty obtaining them, that is why people are murdered in holdups, home burglaries, etc. Give 'em the drugs and let them go crash in a flop house ... Pick up any newspaper, pay close attention to the specifics of most killings ... you will find that the majority revolve around the illegality of drugs and someone committing a crime to get the drugs ... Regards, JS Same goes for Tobacco and Alcohol : Most of the Tobacco and Alcohol Addicts live normal lives into their 60s and 70s; and Die of Old Age. -That-is-'Aged-&-Old'-due-to-Tobacco-&-Alcohol- And... many {most?} Lawyers, Doctors, Judges, Bankers, etc are Tobacco a/o Alcohol Addicts. |
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