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Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF:
On Oct 8, 5:13 pm, Thomas wrote:
Am 09.10.2011 00:23, schrieb RHF:


Alcohol is a drug in a way and cigarettes make quite addictive, but that
was not, what I meant with illegal drugs.
I mean stuff like crack or heroine. These create a certain kind of
physical addiction, that is very hard to cure and forces the addictive
person to use these substances, unless they want to get severe pain and
health problems.

Like any substance, the price depends. It is a question of the way,
these substances are produced and not of the stuff itself. In
Afghanistan a great deal of the raw material is produced. This could be
bought there for relatively moderate prices. The processing to a drug is
usual chemical work, that any good pharmaceutical plant could do.

- So the single dose could be provided for
- very low costs - in case the government
- would provide this. It should - of course
- be limited to real addictive people and
- in fact for free,

Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too !

Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Alcohol for Drunks
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.

Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too !

Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.

-again- ? why should 'i' work all day and
pay taxes to support someone else not working;
pluspay for them to get high/loaded on
illegal drugs& alcohol& tobacco ?
=no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF
.


The government is not responsible for your daily kicks.
What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes.

These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the
general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy
prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they
do something, than mostly illegal stuff.

Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes,
the costs are also worth to mention.

To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than
taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is
prosecuted.

And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only
to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not
allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading.

If the addictive person gets his daily dose, the related crimes could be
greatly reduced. This alone would be a justification. But there is more,
since the income from drugs are often used to finance other unwanted
activities. (All the third-world guerillas for example live more or less
from drugs.)

Anyhow: things like this will not happen, because positive effects for
you are negative effects for other people, that are not really happy
about loosing their income.


TH

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On Oct 9, 9:31*am, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF:









On Oct 8, 5:13 pm, Thomas *wrote:
Am 09.10.2011 00:23, schrieb RHF:


Alcohol is a drug in a way and cigarettes make quite addictive, but that
was not, what I meant with illegal drugs.
I mean stuff like crack or heroine. These create a certain kind of
physical addiction, that is very hard to cure and forces the addictive
person to use these substances, unless they want to get severe pain and
health problems.


Like any substance, the price depends. It is a question of the way,
these substances are produced and not of the stuff itself. In
Afghanistan a great deal of the raw material is produced. This could be
bought there for relatively moderate prices. The processing to a drug is
usual chemical work, that any good pharmaceutical plant could do.


- So the single dose could be provided for
- very low costs - in case the government
- would provide this. It should - of course
- be limited to real addictive people and
- in fact for free,


Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too !


Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Alcohol for Drunks
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.


Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too !


Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.


-again- ? why should 'i' work all day and
pay taxes to support someone else not working;
pluspay for them to get high/loaded on
illegal drugs& *alcohol& *tobacco ?
=no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF
* .


The government is not responsible for your daily kicks.
What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes.

These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the
general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy
prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they
do something, than mostly illegal stuff.

Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes,
the costs are also worth to mention.

To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than
taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is
prosecuted.

And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only
to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not
allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading.


So to "Dry-Out" the Alcohol Market We Should
Give It Away for Free Too !


So to "Dry-Out" the Tobacco Market We Should
Give It Away for Free Too !
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Am 10.10.2011 03:14, schrieb RHF:
On Oct 9, 9:31 am, Thomas wrote:
Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF:


Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too !


Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Alcohol for Drunks
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.


Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too !


Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.


-again- ? why should 'i' work all day and
pay taxes to support someone else not working;
pluspay for them to get high/loaded on
illegal drugs& alcohol& tobacco ?
=no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF
.


The government is not responsible for your daily kicks.
What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes.

These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the
general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy
prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they
do something, than mostly illegal stuff.

Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes,
the costs are also worth to mention.

To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than
taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is
prosecuted.

And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only
to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not
allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading.


So to "Dry-Out" the Alcohol Market We Should
Give It Away for Free Too !


You cannot do that, because alcohol is in the end a cheap chemical, that
anybody could easily produce at home.

Crack is different and the kind of addiction is. This is, what makes
these substances so dangerous. Than crack is relatively expensive, hence
of much greater interest for criminals, because the profit rate is
enormously high. Only the business is very risky and one dealing with
drugs could easily end up in a prison (or worse).

To reduce the profit rate, the drug had to be cheaper, but less
available. This could only be achieved, if the substances are handed out
for free (or low price) in controlled situations.
This would modify the 'terms of trade', because the real addictive
people are then off the streets.

Alcohol is more a health problem for the individual, than a great deal
for the criminals. So alcoholism needs other means to to cure it.

So to "Dry-Out" the Tobacco Market We Should
Give It Away for Free Too !


You insist on this 'for free', but I don't. Actually a moderate (low)
price would have the same effect and would possibly look less dubious.

Tobacco is a risk for the health, too, but to smoke is an individual
decision and not such a problem for the society in general.


The addictive people do a lot of illegal things, like breaking into
homes, stealing cars, robbery and alike, to finance their addiction. So
these drug dealer profit in the end from these crimes.

The question for me was, how to reduce crime and not how to reduce the
individual costs for 'kicks'.


TH
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On 10/9/2011 10:15 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 10.10.2011 03:14, schrieb RHF:
On Oct 9, 9:31 am, Thomas wrote:
Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF:


Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too !

Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Alcohol for Drunks
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.

Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too !

Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.

-again- ? why should 'i' work all day and
pay taxes to support someone else not working;
pluspay for them to get high/loaded on
illegal drugs& alcohol& tobacco ?
=no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF
.

The government is not responsible for your daily kicks.
What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes.

These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the
general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy
prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they
do something, than mostly illegal stuff.

Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes,
the costs are also worth to mention.

To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than
taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is
prosecuted.

And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only
to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not
allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading.


So to "Dry-Out" the Alcohol Market We Should
Give It Away for Free Too !


You cannot do that, because alcohol is in the end a cheap chemical, that
anybody could easily produce at home.

Crack is different and the kind of addiction is. This is, what makes
these substances so dangerous. Than crack is relatively expensive, hence
of much greater interest for criminals, because the profit rate is
enormously high. Only the business is very risky and one dealing with
drugs could easily end up in a prison (or worse).

To reduce the profit rate, the drug had to be cheaper, but less
available. This could only be achieved, if the substances are handed out
for free (or low price) in controlled situations.
This would modify the 'terms of trade', because the real addictive
people are then off the streets.

Alcohol is more a health problem for the individual, than a great deal
for the criminals. So alcoholism needs other means to to cure it.

So to "Dry-Out" the Tobacco Market We Should
Give It Away for Free Too !


You insist on this 'for free', but I don't. Actually a moderate (low)
price would have the same effect and would possibly look less dubious.

Tobacco is a risk for the health, too, but to smoke is an individual
decision and not such a problem for the society in general.


The addictive people do a lot of illegal things, like breaking into
homes, stealing cars, robbery and alike, to finance their addiction. So
these drug dealer profit in the end from these crimes.

The question for me was, how to reduce crime and not how to reduce the
individual costs for 'kicks'.


TH


Crack, methamphetamine and highly refined cocaine have removed people
from my life ... I believe that these drugs are highly dangerous.
However, some people do seem to be able to use them for recreation with
few dangerous repercussions, or even none at all ... some it kills quickly.

The worst thing I have noticed about methamphetamine (or crack) is that
people go crazy from lack of sleep, poor nutrition, etc. I would
strongly caution people NOT to consume these drugs, as in most cases
where friends or people I have known about have taken these drugs, to
excess, it has killed them, left them in mental wards, destroyed their
health, etc.

Still, I would not have people punished for using these drugs -- they do
enough harm to themselves, why would I want to abuse them further ...
however, any crimes they commit should be prosecuted ... if people are
going to commit suicide, and they can't get drugs to do it with, they
will find another way ...

Regards,
JS



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On 10/9/2011 10:15 PM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 10.10.2011 03:14, schrieb RHF:
On Oct 9, 9:31 am, Thomas wrote:
Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF:


Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too !

Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Alcohol for Drunks
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.

Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too !

Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.

-again- ? why should 'i' work all day and
pay taxes to support someone else not working;
pluspay for them to get high/loaded on
illegal drugs& alcohol& tobacco ?
=no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF
.

The government is not responsible for your daily kicks.
What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes.

These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the
general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy
prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if
they
do something, than mostly illegal stuff.

Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes,
the costs are also worth to mention.

To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than
taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is
prosecuted.

And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only
to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not
allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading.


So to "Dry-Out" the Alcohol Market We Should
Give It Away for Free Too !


You cannot do that, because alcohol is in the end a cheap chemical, that
anybody could easily produce at home.

Crack is different and the kind of addiction is. This is, what makes
these substances so dangerous. Than crack is relatively expensive, hence
of much greater interest for criminals, because the profit rate is
enormously high. Only the business is very risky and one dealing with
drugs could easily end up in a prison (or worse).

To reduce the profit rate, the drug had to be cheaper, but less
available. This could only be achieved, if the substances are handed out
for free (or low price) in controlled situations.
This would modify the 'terms of trade', because the real addictive
people are then off the streets.

Alcohol is more a health problem for the individual, than a great deal
for the criminals. So alcoholism needs other means to to cure it.

So to "Dry-Out" the Tobacco Market We Should
Give It Away for Free Too !


You insist on this 'for free', but I don't. Actually a moderate (low)
price would have the same effect and would possibly look less dubious.

Tobacco is a risk for the health, too, but to smoke is an individual
decision and not such a problem for the society in general.


The addictive people do a lot of illegal things, like breaking into
homes, stealing cars, robbery and alike, to finance their addiction. So
these drug dealer profit in the end from these crimes.

The question for me was, how to reduce crime and not how to reduce the
individual costs for 'kicks'.


TH


Crack, methamphetamine and highly refined cocaine have removed people from
my life ... I believe that these drugs are highly dangerous. However, some
people do seem to be able to use them for recreation with few dangerous
repercussions, or even none at all ... some it kills quickly.

The worst thing I have noticed about methamphetamine (or crack) is that
people go crazy from lack of sleep, poor nutrition, etc. I would strongly
caution people NOT to consume these drugs, as in most cases where friends
or people I have known about have taken these drugs, to excess, it has
killed them, left them in mental wards, destroyed their health, etc.

Still, I would not have people punished for using these drugs -- they do
enough harm to themselves, why would I want to abuse them further ...
however, any crimes they commit should be prosecuted ... if people are
going to commit suicide, and they can't get drugs to do it with, they will
find another way ...


One thing to remember about all drugs of this nature is how much it was
adulterated and with what.

That is an unknown. Hence the regular occurrences of overdoses, and the
effects of toxins and chemicals which shouldn't even be in a drug.

What's been mixed in may be more of a danger than the drug itself.

Just saying.

One does have to wonder what the impact of a controlled pharmaceutical
grade form of these drugs would have vs the "bathroom gin" that's currently
in supply.




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On Oct 9, 10:15*pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 10.10.2011 03:14, schrieb RHF:









On Oct 9, 9:31 am, Thomas *wrote:
Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF:


Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too !


Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Alcohol for Drunks
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.


Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too !


Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.


-again- ? why should 'i' work all day and
pay taxes to support someone else not working;
pluspay for them to get high/loaded on
illegal drugs& * *alcohol& * *tobacco ?
=no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF
* *.


The government is not responsible for your daily kicks.
What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes.


These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the
general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy
prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they
do something, than mostly illegal stuff.


Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes,
the costs are also worth to mention.


To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than
taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is
prosecuted.


And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only
to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not
allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading.


So to "Dry-Out" the Alcohol Market We Should
Give It Away for Free Too !


You cannot do that, because alcohol is in the end a cheap chemical, that
anybody could easily produce at home.

Crack is different and the kind of addiction is. This is, what makes
these substances so dangerous. Than crack is relatively expensive, hence
of much greater interest for criminals, because the profit rate is
enormously high. Only the business is very risky and one dealing with
drugs could easily end up in a prison (or worse).

To reduce the profit rate, the drug had to be cheaper, but less
available. This could only be achieved, if the substances are handed out
for free (or low price) in controlled situations.
This would modify the 'terms of trade', because the real addictive
people are then off the streets.

Alcohol is more a health problem for the individual, than a great deal
for the criminals. So alcoholism needs other means to to cure it.

So to "Dry-Out" the Tobacco Market We Should
Give It Away for Free Too !


You insist on this 'for free', but I don't. Actually a moderate (low)
price would have the same effect and would possibly look less dubious.

Tobacco is a risk for the health, too, but to smoke is an individual
decision and not such a problem for the society in general.

The addictive people do a lot of illegal things, like breaking into
homes, stealing cars, robbery and alike, to finance their addiction. So
these drug dealer profit in the end from these crimes.

The question for me was, how to reduce crime and not how to reduce the
individual costs for 'kicks'.

TH


I simply 'view' Drug Addiction to a long slow
process leading to Death : Giving Drug Addicts;
All the Free Drugs that They Want; and as Much
as They Can Handle to the Conclusion of that
Inevitable Death is just hurrying the process
along : For the Betterment of Society.
* Cut a Lifetime {~33 Years} of Drug Addiction,
Crime and Victimization Down to Less than a
Decade.
-let-the-drug-addicts-eradicate-themselves-

Balance Free Drugs -with- No Medical Treatment
for Drug ODs and Drug Related Illnesses
-same-goes-for- Tobacco and Lung Cancer
-and- Alcohol and Liver Disease
=They=Are=All=Acts=of=Suicide=
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On 10/10/2011 1:12 AM, RHF wrote:

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I simply 'view' Drug Addiction to a long slow
process leading to Death : Giving Drug Addicts;
All the Free Drugs that They Want; and as Much
as They Can Handle to the Conclusion of that
Inevitable Death is just hurrying the process
along : For the Betterment of Society.
* Cut a Lifetime {~33 Years} of Drug Addiction,
Crime and Victimization Down to Less than a
Decade.
-let-the-drug-addicts-eradicate-themselves-

Balance Free Drugs -with- No Medical Treatment
for Drug ODs and Drug Related Illnesses
-same-goes-for- Tobacco and Lung Cancer
-and- Alcohol and Liver Disease
=They=Are=All=Acts=of=Suicide=
.


Well, ...

I simply think of it as empowering people, allowing them free access to
their God given rights and resources ... God gave them free will, I
don't need to override his decision.

I would always support help for "fallen people", people who have made
mistakes ... get them away from their addiction and back into self
sufficiency ... I mean, I'd do no less for an animal who got itself in
"a bad situation", to do any less for a human would declare myself
subhuman, IMHO ...

Like I say, I have a strong respect for the creator given rights and
resources referenced by the forefathers ... it would simply be
un-American to not support them with my very life ...

And, I think the 10 commandments have it all covered nicely, if they
aren't breaking them, they are not offending me or society ... and
frankly, there are still areas there where I have no business sticking
my nose into -- I mean, if they are disrespecting their parents, they
and their parents will have to settle that out ...

Regards,
JS
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On 10/9/2011 9:31 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF:
On Oct 8, 5:13 pm, Thomas wrote:
Am 09.10.2011 00:23, schrieb RHF:


Alcohol is a drug in a way and cigarettes make quite addictive, but that
was not, what I meant with illegal drugs.
I mean stuff like crack or heroine. These create a certain kind of
physical addiction, that is very hard to cure and forces the addictive
person to use these substances, unless they want to get severe pain and
health problems.

Like any substance, the price depends. It is a question of the way,
these substances are produced and not of the stuff itself. In
Afghanistan a great deal of the raw material is produced. This could be
bought there for relatively moderate prices. The processing to a drug is
usual chemical work, that any good pharmaceutical plant could do.

- So the single dose could be provided for
- very low costs - in case the government
- would provide this. It should - of course
- be limited to real addictive people and
- in fact for free,

Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too !

Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Alcohol for Drunks
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.

Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too !

Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.

-again- ? why should 'i' work all day and
pay taxes to support someone else not working;
pluspay for them to get high/loaded on
illegal drugs& alcohol& tobacco ?
=no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF
.


The government is not responsible for your daily kicks.
What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes.

These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the
general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy
prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they
do something, than mostly illegal stuff.

Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes,
the costs are also worth to mention.

To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than
taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is
prosecuted.

And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only
to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not
allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading.

If the addictive person gets his daily dose, the related crimes could be
greatly reduced. This alone would be a justification. But there is more,
since the income from drugs are often used to finance other unwanted
activities. (All the third-world guerillas for example live more or less
from drugs.)

Anyhow: things like this will not happen, because positive effects for
you are negative effects for other people, that are not really happy
about loosing their income.


TH


Actually, untrue ... in countries where the drugs are "legal" you find
lawyers, doctors, judges, bankers, etc. which die of old age and are
addicted to such drugs as opiates ...

The real danger is the high cost of drugs and the difficulty obtaining
them, that is why people are murdered in holdups, home burglaries, etc.

Give 'em the drugs and let them go crash in a flop house ...

Pick up any newspaper, pay close attention to the specifics of most
killings ... you will find that the majority revolve around the
illegality of drugs and someone committing a crime to get the drugs ...

Regards,
JS

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On Oct 9, 10:39*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/9/2011 9:31 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:









Am 09.10.2011 04:18, schrieb RHF:
On Oct 8, 5:13 pm, Thomas wrote:
Am 09.10.2011 00:23, schrieb RHF:


Alcohol is a drug in a way and cigarettes make quite addictive, but that
was not, what I meant with illegal drugs.
I mean stuff like crack or heroine. These create a certain kind of
physical addiction, that is very hard to cure and forces the addictive
person to use these substances, unless they want to get severe pain and
health problems.


Like any substance, the price depends. It is a question of the way,
these substances are produced and not of the stuff itself. In
Afghanistan a great deal of the raw material is produced. This could be
bought there for relatively moderate prices. The processing to a drug is
usual chemical work, that any good pharmaceutical plant could do.


- So the single dose could be provided for
- very low costs - in case the government
- would provide this. It should - of course
- be limited to real addictive people and
- in fact for free,


Alcoholics are 'real addictive people' too !


Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Alcohol for Drunks
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.


Tobacco Smokers are 'real addictive people' too !


Equal [RX] Treatment Under the Law would
require Free Cigarettes/Cigars for Smokers
-if- Free Drugs is provided for Dopers.


-again- ? why should 'i' work all day and
pay taxes to support someone else not working;
pluspay for them to get high/loaded on
illegal drugs& alcohol& tobacco ?
=no=joy= =no=joy= =no=joy= ~ RHF
.


The government is not responsible for your daily kicks.
What I have written is a (possible) way to reduce drug-related crimes.


These crimes and the addictive people produce enormous costs for the
general public, because the police has to be behind them, they occupy
prison cells and beds in hospitals. They do not really work, and if they
do something, than mostly illegal stuff.


Besides the health risk (Aids for example) and the dangers of crimes,
the costs are also worth to mention.


To reduce these costs, the policy about drugs could be changed. Than
taking the drug isn't wanted, but not a crime. Only drug-trade is
prosecuted.


And to dry out the market, the drugs are handed out for free, but only
to the real addictive people and only in special centres. This will not
allow any profit - or at least much less - from drug trading.


If the addictive person gets his daily dose, the related crimes could be
greatly reduced. This alone would be a justification. But there is more,
since the income from drugs are often used to finance other unwanted
activities. (All the third-world guerillas for example live more or less
from drugs.)


Anyhow: things like this will not happen, because positive effects for
you are negative effects for other people, that are not really happy
about loosing their income.


TH


Actually, untrue ... in countries where the drugs are "legal" you find
lawyers, doctors, judges, bankers, etc. which die of old age and are
addicted to such drugs as opiates ...

The real danger is the high cost of drugs and the difficulty obtaining
them, that is why people are murdered in holdups, home burglaries, etc.

Give 'em the drugs and let them go crash in a flop house ...

Pick up any newspaper, pay close attention to the specifics of most
killings ... you will find that the majority revolve around the
illegality of drugs and someone committing a crime to get the drugs ...

Regards,
JS


Same goes for Tobacco and Alcohol : Most of the
Tobacco and Alcohol Addicts live normal lives
into their 60s and 70s; and Die of Old Age.
-That-is-'Aged-&-Old'-due-to-Tobacco-&-Alcohol-

And... many {most?} Lawyers, Doctors, Judges,
Bankers, etc are Tobacco a/o Alcohol Addicts.


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