Thomas Heger wrote in news:9g42k9F672U1
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Am 17.10.2011 19:11, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g1qeuFioqU1
@mid.individual.net:

Am 16.10.2011 18:47, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in
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This is the kind of stupidity that is so typical of the conspiracy
nuts


(Actually its not my business and I'm not a 'conspiracy nut'. )
..
..

Several here have tried. You aren't unique no matter what your mum
told
you. So far, none of their theories have held any more water than
yours
..


But if the ideas have their own value and are is some respect
'better'
(as explanation), than they sooner or later outrun the competitors.

Yes, but so far, the facts don't fit the conspiracy theories.

In the subjects you call 'conspiracies', there are several ideas,
that
seem to be more 'true' (hence: 'truthers'), what gives these ideas
advantages over official explanations.

Only in the minds of those who have trouble handling the truth.

The 'truthers' will inevitably outrun official fairy tails, because
truth has advantages in explaining things.

Well, that happens (and it hasn't yet) it will be interesting....but
so
far the truth remains and conspiracy theories are like weeds. If you
don't like the one you just saw, wait a bit and another will show up.

Certainly interesting...

What if these 'theories' are in fact true.

So far, none of them have proved to be.

Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the government?
No good things, I guess.

Most folks in government are just like you and me. They go to work, they
try to do a good job and then come home.

Hope everything comes to a good end. But there are dangers and that is
the possibility of massive violence in your country.

There is the possibility of violence in virtually all countries. Yours,
mine, the one across the river....

This could not be beneficial for the rest of the world. My suggestion
would be, that Americans try to solve their issues, possibly in a
peaceful manner.

We do. My suggestion is that you should mind your own business and fix
things in your country rather than to try and fit conspiracy theories to
ours.




--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

Witnessing Republicans and Democrats bickering over
the National Debt is like watching two drunks argue
over a bar bill on the Titanic.....

Am 18.10.2011 18:27, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g42k9F672U1
@mid.individual.net:

What if these 'theories' are in fact true.

So far, none of them have proved to be.

Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the government?
No good things, I guess.

Most folks in government are just like you and me. They go to work, they
try to do a good job and then come home.



I do not agree. Do you know, why 'conspiracy theories' bear this name?
The claim is actually, that there are hidden forces, that try to
manipulate the society by hidden means.

Since they are hidden, these issues are not openly discussed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8

I really liked JFK and especially this speech..


Hope everything comes to a good end. But there are dangers and that is
the possibility of massive violence in your country.

There is the possibility of violence in virtually all countries. Yours,
mine, the one across the river....

This could not be beneficial for the rest of the world. My suggestion
would be, that Americans try to solve their issues, possibly in a
peaceful manner.

We do. My suggestion is that you should mind your own business and fix
things in your country rather than to try and fit conspiracy theories to
ours.


Well this is in fact true and everything you can do in reality is local.
So I try to fix things in my neighbourhood or in my own vicinity.

But the UseNet gives us the unique opportunity to discuss such subjects
around the globe, almost in realtime.


TH

On 10/18/2011 10:16 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 18.10.2011 18:27, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g42k9F672U1
@mid.individual.net:

What if these 'theories' are in fact true.

So far, none of them have proved to be.

Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the government?
No good things, I guess.

Most folks in government are just like you and me. They go to work, they
try to do a good job and then come home.



I do not agree. Do you know, why 'conspiracy theories' bear this name?
The claim is actually, that there are hidden forces, that try to
manipulate the society by hidden means.

Since they are hidden, these issues are not openly discussed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8

I really liked JFK and especially this speech..


Hope everything comes to a good end. But there are dangers and that is
the possibility of massive violence in your country.

There is the possibility of violence in virtually all countries. Yours,
mine, the one across the river....

This could not be beneficial for the rest of the world. My suggestion
would be, that Americans try to solve their issues, possibly in a
peaceful manner.

We do. My suggestion is that you should mind your own business and fix
things in your country rather than to try and fit conspiracy theories to
ours.


Well this is in fact true and everything you can do in reality is local.
So I try to fix things in my neighbourhood or in my own vicinity.

But the UseNet gives us the unique opportunity to discuss such subjects
around the globe, almost in realtime.


TH


You and I agree here, probably different reasons though, the mafia and
criminals, tired of spending large amounts of time in prison,
infiltrated the public servant offices of the USA ... they are paid,
protected and supported by the criminal rich elite ... and perhaps those
too ignorant to realize what is happening.

However, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ...
the American citizens are waking up ...

Regards,
JS

Am 18.10.2011 22:07, schrieb John Smith:
On 10/18/2011 10:16 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 18.10.2011 18:27, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g42k9F672U1
@mid.individual.net:

What if these 'theories' are in fact true.

So far, none of them have proved to be.

Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the government?
No good things, I guess.

Most folks in government are just like you and me. They go to work, they
try to do a good job and then come home.



I do not agree. Do you know, why 'conspiracy theories' bear this name?
The claim is actually, that there are hidden forces, that try to
manipulate the society by hidden means.

Since they are hidden, these issues are not openly discussed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8

I really liked JFK and especially this speech..


Hope everything comes to a good end. But there are dangers and that is
the possibility of massive violence in your country.

There is the possibility of violence in virtually all countries. Yours,
mine, the one across the river....

This could not be beneficial for the rest of the world. My suggestion
would be, that Americans try to solve their issues, possibly in a
peaceful manner.

We do. My suggestion is that you should mind your own business and fix
things in your country rather than to try and fit conspiracy theories to
ours.


Well this is in fact true and everything you can do in reality is local.
So I try to fix things in my neighbourhood or in my own vicinity.

But the UseNet gives us the unique opportunity to discuss such subjects
around the globe, almost in realtime.


TH


You and I agree here, probably different reasons though, the mafia and
criminals, tired of spending large amounts of time in prison,
infiltrated the public servant offices of the USA ... they are paid,
protected and supported by the criminal rich elite ... and perhaps those
too ignorant to realize what is happening.

However, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ...
the American citizens are waking up ...


The common people in your country - like in mine - are 'milked' by
self-proclaimed elites. If not by them, there are the criminals, that
demand their share.

The common people cannot do very much, but certain things are possible.
I think, if people start to care about their own affairs and try to fix
things, that are actually in reach, than this could add up to a
generally better world.

I mean things like rubble in the streets or the 'pollution' a person
applies to his environment. This could all be reduced to make way for
more healthy developments.

There are lots of things, people - unknowingly - do, that symbolize
death or destruction. This is, what makes crowds look like they do. Lots
of music for example is full of criminal themes, praises the use of
drugs and tell youngsters, how to mess up relationships. Films, comics,
computer games all suggest, that criminal life is more 'fun'. Interiors,
tattoos, jewellery, clothing are often full of skulls and demons. This
is all sick to some extend and should be reduced.

An individual gives a more positive appearance, if the person is not
full of alcohol or sedatives, kind of washed and dressed in fresh clothes.

Now imagine, that all the people would do that: live happy and healthy
and try to imagine, how a city would look like. Certainly different, I
presume.

Once people realize, that they can live a better life and try to achieve
this, the society would slowly change. This could free energies, that
enable people to take back control upon the own affairs.

The thread upon the common people will fall together once they realize,
that the government belongs to them and not the other way round. This
could be achieved, if the little officials are closer bound to laws and
small crimes by officials are actually prosecuted. All these things are
already illegal, like corruption, inside trading, drug or arms
trafficking, blackmailing, violence..

This is just the opposite of what those elites want, since they want to
milk the common people.

TH

"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 18.10.2011 18:27, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g42k9F672U1
@mid.individual.net:

What if these 'theories' are in fact true.

So far, none of them have proved to be.

Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the government?
No good things, I guess.

Most folks in government are just like you and me. They go to work, they
try to do a good job and then come home.



I do not agree. Do you know, why 'conspiracy theories' bear this name?

Because that's all they ever amount to....a theory....lacking any actual
support or evidence.

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http://www.stevequayle.com/index1.html

Lets me check a couple of new news updates now.I better hurry, ergo
couch (sofa) buddy doggy is fixin to cut the light.
Doggy, you wants a snickerdoodle?
///Cookie? yeah! WOO WOO WOOF!///
cuhulin

Am 20.10.2011 05:08, schrieb Scout:


"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 18.10.2011 18:27, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g42k9F672U1
@mid.individual.net:

What if these 'theories' are in fact true.

So far, none of them have proved to be.

Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the government?
No good things, I guess.

Most folks in government are just like you and me. They go to work, they
try to do a good job and then come home.



I do not agree. Do you know, why 'conspiracy theories' bear this name?

Because that's all they ever amount to....a theory....lacking any actual
support or evidence.


I usually do not use the term 'conspiracy'.
Conspiracy is a crime in anglo-saxon law, where two or more people
conspire, to harm somebody by illegal means.

This does not require 'hidden means' or secrecy. It just requires more
than one person. 'Conspiracy' is among these extremely strange laws, you
have in America.

Don't know, if that's true or not, but I have seen a book about it,
entitled 'Forbidden to shower naked' (Actually in German 'Nacktduschen
streng Verboten').
http://www.buecher.de/shop/recht/nac...d_id/24889734/

I cannot really imagine, it might be a crime to be naked in the bathroom.

Conspiracy is making the preparation more a crime than actually
committing it. This is extremely strange, in my eyes.

But maybe 'crime' is enough and hidden means plus involvement of
government or other officials.

'Theory' is the other misnomer, because theory means a hypothesis, that
had not been proven wrong. It is actually the best you could get,
according to the scientific method.

TH

"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 20.10.2011 05:08, schrieb Scout:


"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 18.10.2011 18:27, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g42k9F672U1
@mid.individual.net:

What if these 'theories' are in fact true.

So far, none of them have proved to be.

Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the
government?
No good things, I guess.

Most folks in government are just like you and me. They go to work,
they
try to do a good job and then come home.



I do not agree. Do you know, why 'conspiracy theories' bear this name?

Because that's all they ever amount to....a theory....lacking any actual
support or evidence.


I usually do not use the term 'conspiracy'.

I acknowledge your desire and attempt to change the subject.

I can only wonder why you don't wish to talk about the 'theory' aspect of
it.

Perhaps because it hits too close to home?


Conspiracy is a crime in anglo-saxon law, where two or more people
conspire, to harm somebody by illegal means.

I acknowledge your ignorance of the English language as well, since a
conspiracy does NOT have to be a crime.

This does not require 'hidden means' or secrecy. It just requires more
than one person. 'Conspiracy' is among these extremely strange laws, you
have in America.

Then I take it you're not American, and that you think that a conspiracy can
only occur under American law.

Let's just acknowledge you're bat **** crazy.

Am 20.10.2011 06:56, schrieb Scout:


"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 20.10.2011 05:08, schrieb Scout:


"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 18.10.2011 18:27, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g42k9F672U1
@mid.individual.net:

What if these 'theories' are in fact true.

So far, none of them have proved to be.

Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the
government?
No good things, I guess.

Most folks in government are just like you and me. They go to work,
they
try to do a good job and then come home.



I do not agree. Do you know, why 'conspiracy theories' bear this name?

Because that's all they ever amount to....a theory....lacking any actual
support or evidence.


I usually do not use the term 'conspiracy'.

I acknowledge your desire and attempt to change the subject.

I can only wonder why you don't wish to talk about the 'theory' aspect
of it.

Perhaps because it hits too close to home?


Conspiracy is a crime in anglo-saxon law, where two or more people
conspire, to harm somebody by illegal means.

I acknowledge your ignorance of the English language as well, since a
conspiracy does NOT have to be a crime.

This does not require 'hidden means' or secrecy. It just requires more
than one person. 'Conspiracy' is among these extremely strange laws,
you have in America.

Then I take it you're not American, and that you think that a conspiracy
can only occur under American law.

No, I don't say so and I don't mean it.

What you call 'conspiracy' is in German 'Verschwörung'.
This term comes from 'Schwur', what is 'oath' in English.

The theory (actually the correct term would be 'hypothesis') is, that
there are groups - connected around the globe - through a system of oath
and hidden connections.

Actually it is a known fact, that such systems do exist. These are
(predominantly) masons, jesuits and mobsters. Also the SS of the Nazis
used such means. But many other groups have oath, even if not hidden.
Only the SS had the habit to kill those, that would not follow the oath,
while e.g. the boy scouts don't.

Now Kennedy addresses in his speech, that these conspiracies would exist
as wast international system (shortly before he got killed).

So the idea itself has some merits. Only it is very hard to prove, since
the system is hidden and whistle-blowers get killed.

Actually I wouldn't think, that the jesuits would kill somebody, that
wants to leave, what leaves Nazis and mobsters as possible perpetrators.

TH

"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 20.10.2011 06:56, schrieb Scout:


"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 20.10.2011 05:08, schrieb Scout:


"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
...
Conspiracy is a crime in anglo-saxon law, where two or more people
conspire, to harm somebody by illegal means.

I acknowledge your ignorance of the English language as well, since a
conspiracy does NOT have to be a crime.

This does not require 'hidden means' or secrecy. It just requires more
than one person. 'Conspiracy' is among these extremely strange laws,
you have in America.

Then I take it you're not American, and that you think that a conspiracy
can only occur under American law.

No, I don't say so and I don't mean it.

What you call 'conspiracy' is in German 'Verschwörung'.
This term comes from 'Schwur', what is 'oath' in English.

The theory (actually the correct term would be 'hypothesis') is, that
there are groups - connected around the globe - through a system of oath
and hidden connections.

Actually it is a known fact, that such systems do exist. These are
(predominantly) masons, jesuits and mobsters. Also the SS of the Nazis
used such means. But many other groups have oath, even if not hidden. Only
the SS had the habit to kill those, that would not follow the oath, while
e.g. the boy scouts don't.

Now Kennedy addresses in his speech, that these conspiracies would exist
as wast international system (shortly before he got killed).

So the idea itself has some merits. Only it is very hard to prove, since
the system is hidden and whistle-blowers get killed.

Actually I wouldn't think, that the jesuits would kill somebody, that
wants to leave, what leaves Nazis and mobsters as possible perpetrators.


You forget the Muslims
They too have a precept in the Koran to kill those who would leave the
"faith"