On 10/13/11 12:41 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 10:16 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
On 10/13/11 12:00 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 7:04 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
On 10/13/11 1:49 AM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
. net wrote:

"Alan wrote in message
...
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

Your post is an excellent example of what I have found
about
"Apple
People", they have a religious devotion to the platform
...

Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes
that
anyone
who sees value where you do not must do it out of
religious
devotion...


Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse
MAC's, is
that I
write much of the software I use ... plus, I private
contract
to
develop
software on multiple platforms (even though I am retired,
for
the
most
part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it
simply
would not
make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the
business to
make
money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked
hard in
being one
of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think
they
can
do that
without me ...

In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows
from
your
perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers
with
their own
OS? You can write software for that platform just as you
can for
Windows
or for Linux.


Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their
software,
just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or
even an
idildo,
for that matter! ROFLOL

So?

Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware
and
Microsoft
doesn't?


Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the
conversation
I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang
less
buck
will do ...

It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the fools
always end
up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil
just
doesn't really apply.

If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any
crimes
which
have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean,
like,
DUH!

Regards,
JS

As I said:

How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you
do not
must be a fool...


It's a cultural standard, today.




Hey, I am not the one into social standards!

I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ... the PC
can
just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ...

Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example...


Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high
res HD
monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do
the
same with audio ...

You mean, like this:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html

No like this.

http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications

CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac
Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac
Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac
Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac


snip

Like he said, Mac can't compete.


LOL

No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now.

Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that.


That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T
substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better."

One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as
ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and
have
skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on
those statistics ...

Regards,
JS

With every passing quarter of increased Mac sales, that 'short period'
keeps getting longer. There's not one single mfg of wintel boxes that
wouldn't give a nut for Apple's sales and profits these days.



Just think how much apple is envying microsofts and even linux share of
market ... MAC has marketing hype to attempt to capture market share
with. PCs have speed, economics, diversity of apps and utilities, vast
access to freeware/shareware, superior hardware, etc.

While hype has been stunningly successful in some applications, it is
always short lived ...

To me, it is quite obvious, you simply argue a losing and mistaken
point(s) ... weather by ignorance or design is the only question I
have ...

Regards,
JS

For the last few years Apple has been growing in all phases of what they
do. And growing profits at an alarming rate. And while I'm sure Apple
wouldn't turn down market share if the profits grew the same, I'm also
as sure they aren't interested in the market share at any cost attitude
that seems prevalent in the wintel world.

Apple is delivering a fine, premium product at a premium price and the
consumer with some money sees it as a value proposition.



Well yeah, they sell an iphone and ireader and other trinkets to the
indians, and slaves ... I view the conversation here as being focused on
MACs and PCs, although for "MAC people" to possibly have a leg to stand
on, they are going to have to attempt to toss everything else in,
including mice, phones, the kitchen sink, the apple on the top of a MAC
laptop, case style, etc.

Or, simply put, they must divert the discussion away from the
superiority of the PC to the hype and BS of MAC ... in a nut shell, MAC
sucks in comparison. This point made, all which is left is the
discussion as to why that is so ...

Regards,
JS

LOL! Even disregarding everything except the Mac computers, you haven't
got a leg to stand on! Mac COMPUTER sales are up and growing, and have
been for years, AND they are selling at a premium price 'cause they are
a premium product, AND they are making great profits off them.

None of that applies to the current wintel market which is shrinking,
with shrinking prices, and shrinking profits. Profits shrinking so bad
that HP is looking at getting out of the wintel PC market just like IBM
did years ago.


--
Lloyd

On 10/13/2011 11:00 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
On 10/13/11 12:41 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 10:16 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
On 10/13/11 12:00 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 7:04 AM, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
On 10/13/11 1:49 AM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/12/2011 10:40 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
. net wrote:

"Alan wrote in message
...
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/12/2011 11:37 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

On 10/10/2011 2:30 PM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 10/10/11 16:27 , Alan Baker wrote:
In ,
John wrote:

Your post is an excellent example of what I have found
about
"Apple
People", they have a religious devotion to the platform
...

Your post is an excellent example of someone who believes
that
anyone
who sees value where you do not must do it out of
religious
devotion...


Personally, the only reason I use a PC, and refuse
MAC's, is
that I
write much of the software I use ... plus, I private
contract
to
develop
software on multiple platforms (even though I am
retired,
for
the
most
part) ... while most of that could be done on a MAC, it
simply
would not
make economic sense, for me ... I mean, I am in the
business to
make
money -- NOT pay money to apple ... apple has worked
hard in
being one
of the most proprietary corps I have ever seen, I think
they
can
do that
without me ...

In what way is the Mac more "proprietary" than Windows
from
your
perspective? The fact that they've always sold computers
with
their own
OS? You can write software for that platform just as you
can for
Windows
or for Linux.


Windows doesn't hold patents on the hardware, to run their
software,
just for starters ... and, they don't have an iphone, or
even an
idildo,
for that matter! ROFLOL

So?

Apple's suddenly an evil empire because they make hardware
and
Microsoft
doesn't?


Actually, you have missed the point, gotten off track, the
conversation
I seen was focused on fools and overpaying for the same bang
less
buck
will do ...

It isn't that apple is evil for taking fools money, the
fools
always end
up giving it to some one ... nor are the fools evil ... evil
just
doesn't really apply.

If fools willingly give you money, I am not aware of any
crimes
which
have been broken, nor evil criminals at fault ... I mean,
like,
DUH!

Regards,
JS

As I said:

How arrogant to assume that anyone who sees value in what you
do not
must be a fool...


It's a cultural standard, today.




Hey, I am not the one into social standards!

I freely admit that a MAC can do anything a PC can do ...
the PC
can
just do it faster, cheaper and usually better ...

Really? Better in what way? Give a concrete example...


Snap in a high end NVIDIA or ATI card into our PC with a high
res HD
monitor, sit in next to a MAC ... you will see what I mean ... do
the
same with audio ...

You mean, like this:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-mac-us.html

No like this.

http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/GPUs...specifications

CUDA cores 1024 vs 256 for the Mac
Memory 3Gb vs 2 Gb for the Mac
Memory Interface 768 bit vs 256 bit for the Mac
Memory Bandwidth 327.7 Gb/s vs 89.6Gb/s for the Mac


snip

Like he said, Mac can't compete.


LOL

No, Scout: Nvidia has *chosen* not to compete... ...for now.

Last quarter, Mac sales were up to 13% in the US. Think about that.


That can be easily explained for any number of reasons which DON'T
substantiate the hardware and software of MAC being "better."

One which jumps to mind, immediately, a number of people just as
ignorant as you have just went out and purchased new computers and
have
skewed the statistics for a short period, causing a false "blip" on
those statistics ...

Regards,
JS

With every passing quarter of increased Mac sales, that 'short period'
keeps getting longer. There's not one single mfg of wintel boxes that
wouldn't give a nut for Apple's sales and profits these days.



Just think how much apple is envying microsofts and even linux share of
market ... MAC has marketing hype to attempt to capture market share
with. PCs have speed, economics, diversity of apps and utilities, vast
access to freeware/shareware, superior hardware, etc.

While hype has been stunningly successful in some applications, it is
always short lived ...

To me, it is quite obvious, you simply argue a losing and mistaken
point(s) ... weather by ignorance or design is the only question I
have ...

Regards,
JS

For the last few years Apple has been growing in all phases of what they
do. And growing profits at an alarming rate. And while I'm sure Apple
wouldn't turn down market share if the profits grew the same, I'm also
as sure they aren't interested in the market share at any cost attitude
that seems prevalent in the wintel world.

Apple is delivering a fine, premium product at a premium price and the
consumer with some money sees it as a value proposition.



Well yeah, they sell an iphone and ireader and other trinkets to the
indians, and slaves ... I view the conversation here as being focused on
MACs and PCs, although for "MAC people" to possibly have a leg to stand
on, they are going to have to attempt to toss everything else in,
including mice, phones, the kitchen sink, the apple on the top of a MAC
laptop, case style, etc.

Or, simply put, they must divert the discussion away from the
superiority of the PC to the hype and BS of MAC ... in a nut shell, MAC
sucks in comparison. This point made, all which is left is the
discussion as to why that is so ...

Regards,
JS

LOL! Even disregarding everything except the Mac computers, you haven't
got a leg to stand on! Mac COMPUTER sales are up and growing, and have
been for years, AND they are selling at a premium price 'cause they are
a premium product, AND they are making great profits off them.

None of that applies to the current wintel market which is shrinking,
with shrinking prices, and shrinking profits. Profits shrinking so bad
that HP is looking at getting out of the wintel PC market just like IBM
did years ago.



Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what
can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread
will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ...
since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making
the important decision of which platform will properly be able to
support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ...

Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ...

Regards,
JS

On 10/13/11 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote:

Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what
can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread
will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ...
since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making
the important decision of which platform will properly be able to
support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ...

Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ...

So if I understand correctly, the summary version is that everyone
should use a Windows-based PC because someone on USENET says so. Got it.

- x.

On 10/13/2011 12:03 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:
On 10/13/11 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote:

Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what
can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread
will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ...
since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making
the important decision of which platform will properly be able to
support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ...

Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ...

So if I understand correctly, the summary version is that everyone
should use a Windows-based PC because someone on USENET says so. Got it.

- x.

Looks like you completely missed it!

How can you so ignorantly and moronicaly confuse "... since I am sure
everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important
decision ..." with your draconian statement that someone "should" do
anything ... amazing. Your mental processes to reach that logic are
simply unfathomable!

But, at least you are consistent, your posts constantly reflect that
flawed logic ...

Regards,
JS

On 10/13/11 3:01 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 12:03 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:
On 10/13/11 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote:

Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what
can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread
will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ...
since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making
the important decision of which platform will properly be able to
support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ...

Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ...

So if I understand correctly, the summary version is that everyone
should use a Windows-based PC because someone on USENET says so. Got it.

- x.

Looks like you completely missed it!

No, I'm pretty sure I didn't.

How can you so ignorantly and moronicaly confuse "... since I am sure
everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important
decision ..." with your draconian statement that someone "should" do
anything ... amazing. Your mental processes to reach that logic are
simply unfathomable!

See, that only works when you remove that statement from the context it
was originally written in, or the context of your statement that
followed it. Put everything back in its original order and the impart
is substantially different. Nice try, though.

But, at least you are consistent, your posts constantly reflect that
flawed logic ...

Which is exactly what I was getting at with my earlier reply: only
*your* way of doing things is the right one; anyone else's is the
product of flawed logic. Amusing, given that you basically have none to
begin with beyond OMG I 3 WINDOWS SO MUCH AND MACS SUX LOL.

Thanks for playing. No consolation prizes for you, I'm afraid; those
are only awarded to the trolls who bring their A-game.

- x.

On 10/13/2011 3:30 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:
On 10/13/11 3:01 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 12:03 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:
On 10/13/11 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote:

Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what
can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread
will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ...
since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making
the important decision of which platform will properly be able to
support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ...

Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ...

So if I understand correctly, the summary version is that everyone
should use a Windows-based PC because someone on USENET says so. Got it.

- x.

Looks like you completely missed it!

No, I'm pretty sure I didn't.

How can you so ignorantly and moronicaly confuse "... since I am sure
everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important
decision ..." with your draconian statement that someone "should" do
anything ... amazing. Your mental processes to reach that logic are
simply unfathomable!

See, that only works when you remove that statement from the context it
was originally written in, or the context of your statement that
followed it. Put everything back in its original order and the impart
is substantially different. Nice try, though.

But, at least you are consistent, your posts constantly reflect that
flawed logic ...

Which is exactly what I was getting at with my earlier reply: only
*your* way of doing things is the right one; anyone else's is the
product of flawed logic. Amusing, given that you basically have none to
begin with beyond OMG I3 WINDOWS SO MUCH AND MACS SUX LOL.

Thanks for playing. No consolation prizes for you, I'm afraid; those
are only awarded to the trolls who bring their A-game.

- x.

You can read it yourself, in the "original content" ... means the same
now as when I wrote it, and just had to attempt to point out to you,
again ... and even the consistency of your logic prevails here ...

Frankly, you have left me with the opinion you are a 12 year old or a
severely developmentally disabled adult ... either way, I don't see much
difference between you owning a MAC, a PC, or a notepad with a pencil
.... therefore, what you argue is probably correct in "your context."

Regards,
JS

On 10/13/11 3:35 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 3:30 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:

Thanks for playing. No consolation prizes for you, I'm afraid; those
are only awarded to the trolls who bring their A-game.

- x.

You can read it yourself, in the "original content" ... means the same
now as when I wrote it, and just had to attempt to point out to you,
again ... and even the consistency of your logic prevails here ...

Frankly, you have left me with the opinion you are a 12 year old or a
severely developmentally disabled adult ... either way, I don't see much
difference between you owning a MAC, a PC, or a notepad with a pencil
.... therefore, what you argue is probably correct in "your context."

Aww. Someone needs a hug.

- x.

///Woooo Lawdy, tell them about it, Mope///
Yeah, Sang, I will.Apple is good for designers and architecs and film
makers and designing animations.Very few programs for novices or
business people.
///Dats Dat.Who Dat say they are going to beat them Saints?///
Missy Sippy, Sang, Missy Sippy, Dats Who!
///Choi Ka Oie!///
cuhulin

On 10/13/2011 1:11 PM, J R wrote:
///Woooo Lawdy, tell them about it, Mope///
Yeah, Sang, I will.Apple is good for designers and architecs and film
makers and designing animations.Very few programs for novices or
business people.
///Dats Dat.Who Dat say they are going to beat them Saints?///
Missy Sippy, Sang, Missy Sippy, Dats Who!
///Choi Ka Oie!///
cuhulin


Actually, it isn't, always behind the cutting edge offered by PC's in
graphics, physics, science, etc. applications and uses ... in firmware,
hardware and software ...

Regards,
JS

On 10/13/2011 3:04 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 1:11 PM, J R wrote:
///Woooo Lawdy, tell them about it, Mope///
Yeah, Sang, I will.Apple is good for designers and architecs and film
makers and designing animations.Very few programs for novices or
business people.
///Dats Dat.Who Dat say they are going to beat them Saints?///
Missy Sippy, Sang, Missy Sippy, Dats Who!
///Choi Ka Oie!///
cuhulin


Actually, it isn't, always behind the cutting edge offered by PC's in
graphics, physics, science, etc. applications and uses ... in firmware,
hardware and software ...

Regards,
JS


For example, although different programs existed for presenting text and
graphics, in mixed, useable forms, an example is adobe reader, microsoft
first released a reader and format, .lit, which first "solidified" the
format/concept of an "ebook." It was usable on any windows computer ...
still is, but is now being discontinued ... most never even became aware
of its' existence and microsoft never worked to give it much publicity
.... it was only commonly used by those in the computer industry ... now
there are many clones in many different formats ...

Soon after, you see competitors spring up and hardware become devoted to it.

Today, my TV, Stereo, DVD Recorder, etc. IS a computer ... I don't have
a device dedicated for each and every separate task ... computer does it
all. And, so is my "ebook reader" also my computer (actually, one of my
laptops, or any of them, any desktop also, but I like to read in bed.)

To me, it is insane to buy an ebook reader when a laptop serves better ...

Frankly, html should become the standard ebook format and open access to
all, and the hardware to present it allowed to openly compete in the
marketplace "best ereader wins."

Regards,
JS