On 10/13/11 3:13 PM, SaPeIsMa wrote:

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:03:20 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote:



That's not the business Apple is in; they sell a
lifestyle of form
[over] substance



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Besides, Apple was extant in the market before PC's (the
original
Apple
computer was something like $3000, a clone was about
$2300, IIRC).
Apple
maintained a following and indeed an increasing market
base even
after
PC's got so cheap that most anyone could afford one.

If someone likes a product enough to pay what seems to be an
exhorbitant
price for it, even in the face of a much cheaper
alternative, then
that
is what they call "market forces" in operation. The
consumer, in
this
case, has actually set the price by buying the product.
If nobody
were
buying it, it would either become cheaper or taken off
the market.

They subsidised and strongarmed their way into schools; a
whole
generation equated Apple with computing. It's definitely a
fashion
thing.
I was the IT guy at a TV network west coast headquarters.
All the
"creative" types insisted on iMacs; they refused to work
on windows
machines (this is for typing-not editing). Hollywood
creative types
are
insufferable boors.

Of course... ...someone insisting on a product must be a
"fashion
thing".

How exactly did Apple "strongarm" their way into schools.

Perhaps this genius can also explain why more and more college
students
in science and engineering are switching to Macs? Of their
own free
will, that is. And not to use Windoze on them, either.

What is Apple at now - 11%, third largest, up from less than
5% four
years ago?

Intel won.




Linux is surely the equal, or better, of windows -- however, it
is a tad
bit more difficult to use (unbutu perhaps breaks that rule) and
is just
as prone to viruses and such, if used by people without proper
education
and/or a virus/malware scanner ...

If Linux is "surely the equal, or better, of Windows", then Mac
OS X is
surely the superior of Windows, because it is surely the better
of Linux.

It offers all that Linux offers and is easier to use.

Keep trying. The world runs on Windows.

Keep trying - increasingly it does not. Check Apple's rapidly growing
market share. More importantly, I can tell you more and more college
students in technical fields like science and engineering are using Macs
these days. Programming in Matlab, Maple, Mathematica is the norm now,
and they all run perfectly on OS X. Plus they get all the benefits of OS
X in other applications, too. When these kids hit the job market, the
trend will simply continue.

I can tell you that at my large international corporation we are still
not embracing Apple on the desktop. We are running Windows and Linux and
we will soon be running dumb tubes, throw back to the 70's, on the
desktop. There is no reason to put a high dollar, high end computer on
everyone's desktop to run e-mail, surfing, and spreadsheets and
documents.

We are embracing the iPad primarily because we can use it to get to VMs
and because we can run web enabled applications. You can effectively
take your desktop anywhere. These are the only two requirements of a
"pad" that we need. As soon as something cheaper than the iPad is
available we will officially support that and may even provide it to our
users.

The desktop only needs to be a tube, keyboard, and mouse with a
connection to our network.

Amazon is supposedly coming out with a $200 dollar upgrade to the Nook
that will go directly against the IPad.
It will be running Android and will be open architecture.
Time to start looking at a short on Apple


I guess paying attention, or having a clue isn't part of your daily
life. Amazon is coming out with a new Kindle Fire (note that Nook is
from B&N) that is based on Android but is NOT open architecture. It is
tightly tied to Amazon.


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Lloyd

On 10/13/2011 12:03 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:
On 10/13/11 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote:

Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what
can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread
will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ...
since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making
the important decision of which platform will properly be able to
support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ...

Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ...

So if I understand correctly, the summary version is that everyone
should use a Windows-based PC because someone on USENET says so. Got it.

- x.

Looks like you completely missed it!

How can you so ignorantly and moronicaly confuse "... since I am sure
everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important
decision ..." with your draconian statement that someone "should" do
anything ... amazing. Your mental processes to reach that logic are
simply unfathomable!

But, at least you are consistent, your posts constantly reflect that
flawed logic ...

Regards,
JS

On 10/13/2011 1:11 PM, J R wrote:
///Woooo Lawdy, tell them about it, Mope///
Yeah, Sang, I will.Apple is good for designers and architecs and film
makers and designing animations.Very few programs for novices or
business people.
///Dats Dat.Who Dat say they are going to beat them Saints?///
Missy Sippy, Sang, Missy Sippy, Dats Who!
///Choi Ka Oie!///
cuhulin


Actually, it isn't, always behind the cutting edge offered by PC's in
graphics, physics, science, etc. applications and uses ... in firmware,
hardware and software ...

Regards,
JS

On 10/13/2011 3:04 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 1:11 PM, J R wrote:
///Woooo Lawdy, tell them about it, Mope///
Yeah, Sang, I will.Apple is good for designers and architecs and film
makers and designing animations.Very few programs for novices or
business people.
///Dats Dat.Who Dat say they are going to beat them Saints?///
Missy Sippy, Sang, Missy Sippy, Dats Who!
///Choi Ka Oie!///
cuhulin


Actually, it isn't, always behind the cutting edge offered by PC's in
graphics, physics, science, etc. applications and uses ... in firmware,
hardware and software ...

Regards,
JS


For example, although different programs existed for presenting text and
graphics, in mixed, useable forms, an example is adobe reader, microsoft
first released a reader and format, .lit, which first "solidified" the
format/concept of an "ebook." It was usable on any windows computer ...
still is, but is now being discontinued ... most never even became aware
of its' existence and microsoft never worked to give it much publicity
.... it was only commonly used by those in the computer industry ... now
there are many clones in many different formats ...

Soon after, you see competitors spring up and hardware become devoted to it.

Today, my TV, Stereo, DVD Recorder, etc. IS a computer ... I don't have
a device dedicated for each and every separate task ... computer does it
all. And, so is my "ebook reader" also my computer (actually, one of my
laptops, or any of them, any desktop also, but I like to read in bed.)

To me, it is insane to buy an ebook reader when a laptop serves better ...

Frankly, html should become the standard ebook format and open access to
all, and the hardware to present it allowed to openly compete in the
marketplace "best ereader wins."

Regards,
JS

On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:45:12 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

"Note: if your computer is equipped with a Graphics Processing Unit
(GPU), you may be able to use it to compute faster. "

We may. But the application I have which is intolerably slow is
Librarian Pro. Apparently it uses the Access database engine that
has troubles with libraries as large as mine. A faster graphics card
won't make it faster.

I wonder if I have any applications that I would notice a speed
increase with a faster graphics card.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

On 10/13/11 3:01 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 12:03 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:
On 10/13/11 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote:

Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what
can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread
will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ...
since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making
the important decision of which platform will properly be able to
support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ...

Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ...

So if I understand correctly, the summary version is that everyone
should use a Windows-based PC because someone on USENET says so. Got it.

- x.

Looks like you completely missed it!

No, I'm pretty sure I didn't.

How can you so ignorantly and moronicaly confuse "... since I am sure
everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important
decision ..." with your draconian statement that someone "should" do
anything ... amazing. Your mental processes to reach that logic are
simply unfathomable!

See, that only works when you remove that statement from the context it
was originally written in, or the context of your statement that
followed it. Put everything back in its original order and the impart
is substantially different. Nice try, though.

But, at least you are consistent, your posts constantly reflect that
flawed logic ...

Which is exactly what I was getting at with my earlier reply: only
*your* way of doing things is the right one; anyone else's is the
product of flawed logic. Amusing, given that you basically have none to
begin with beyond OMG I 3 WINDOWS SO MUCH AND MACS SUX LOL.

Thanks for playing. No consolation prizes for you, I'm afraid; those
are only awarded to the trolls who bring their A-game.

- x.

On 10/13/2011 3:18 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 3:04 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 1:11 PM, J R wrote:
///Woooo Lawdy, tell them about it, Mope///
Yeah, Sang, I will.Apple is good for designers and architecs and film
makers and designing animations.Very few programs for novices or
business people.
///Dats Dat.Who Dat say they are going to beat them Saints?///
Missy Sippy, Sang, Missy Sippy, Dats Who!
///Choi Ka Oie!///
cuhulin


Actually, it isn't, always behind the cutting edge offered by PC's in
graphics, physics, science, etc. applications and uses ... in firmware,
hardware and software ...

Regards,
JS


For example, although different programs existed for presenting text and
graphics, in mixed, useable forms, an example is adobe reader, microsoft
first released a reader and format, .lit, which first "solidified" the
format/concept of an "ebook." It was usable on any windows computer ...
still is, but is now being discontinued ... most never even became aware
of its' existence and microsoft never worked to give it much publicity
... it was only commonly used by those in the computer industry ... now
there are many clones in many different formats ...

Soon after, you see competitors spring up and hardware become devoted to
it.

Today, my TV, Stereo, DVD Recorder, etc. IS a computer ... I don't have
a device dedicated for each and every separate task ... computer does it
all. And, so is my "ebook reader" also my computer (actually, one of my
laptops, or any of them, any desktop also, but I like to read in bed.)

To me, it is insane to buy an ebook reader when a laptop serves better ...

Frankly, html should become the standard ebook format and open access to
all, and the hardware to present it allowed to openly compete in the
marketplace "best ereader wins."

Regards,
JS


.... and, just to "hit those who missed the point, over the head with a 2
x 4!", a laptop IS the best ebook reader! Best movie machine, best .mp3
player, best TV, best DVD recorder, best camera, best stereo, etc., etc.

Just can't make coffee, OJ, toast, bacon, etc. or it would be the best
breakfast machine too!

Regards,
JS

On 10/13/2011 3:30 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:
On 10/13/11 3:01 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 12:03 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:
On 10/13/11 11:14 AM, John Smith wrote:

Well, I think there has been a fair representation, here, of most what
can be said on the subject ... indeed, anyone reading just this thread
will be aware of the important points to consider before purchase ...
since I am sure everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making
the important decision of which platform will properly be able to
support the apps and uses they will be utilizing ...

Or, simply, looks pretty cut-and-dried to me ...

So if I understand correctly, the summary version is that everyone
should use a Windows-based PC because someone on USENET says so. Got it.

- x.

Looks like you completely missed it!

No, I'm pretty sure I didn't.

How can you so ignorantly and moronicaly confuse "... since I am sure
everyone wants to respect everyone else in their making the important
decision ..." with your draconian statement that someone "should" do
anything ... amazing. Your mental processes to reach that logic are
simply unfathomable!

See, that only works when you remove that statement from the context it
was originally written in, or the context of your statement that
followed it. Put everything back in its original order and the impart
is substantially different. Nice try, though.

But, at least you are consistent, your posts constantly reflect that
flawed logic ...

Which is exactly what I was getting at with my earlier reply: only
*your* way of doing things is the right one; anyone else's is the
product of flawed logic. Amusing, given that you basically have none to
begin with beyond OMG I3 WINDOWS SO MUCH AND MACS SUX LOL.

Thanks for playing. No consolation prizes for you, I'm afraid; those
are only awarded to the trolls who bring their A-game.

- x.

You can read it yourself, in the "original content" ... means the same
now as when I wrote it, and just had to attempt to point out to you,
again ... and even the consistency of your logic prevails here ...

Frankly, you have left me with the opinion you are a 12 year old or a
severely developmentally disabled adult ... either way, I don't see much
difference between you owning a MAC, a PC, or a notepad with a pencil
.... therefore, what you argue is probably correct in "your context."

Regards,
JS

On 10/13/11 5:29 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:45:12 -0700, John
wrote:

"Note: if your computer is equipped with a Graphics Processing Unit
(GPU), you may be able to use it to compute faster. "

We may. But the application I have which is intolerably slow is
Librarian Pro. Apparently it uses the Access database engine that
has troubles with libraries as large as mine. A faster graphics card
won't make it faster.

I wonder if I have any applications that I would notice a speed
increase with a faster graphics card.

In general, the only apps you see that really benefit are games and
other graphic intensive apps.

--
Lloyd

On 10/13/11 3:35 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 10/13/2011 3:30 PM, x=usr(1536) wrote:

Thanks for playing. No consolation prizes for you, I'm afraid; those
are only awarded to the trolls who bring their A-game.

- x.

You can read it yourself, in the "original content" ... means the same
now as when I wrote it, and just had to attempt to point out to you,
again ... and even the consistency of your logic prevails here ...

Frankly, you have left me with the opinion you are a 12 year old or a
severely developmentally disabled adult ... either way, I don't see much
difference between you owning a MAC, a PC, or a notepad with a pencil
.... therefore, what you argue is probably correct in "your context."

Aww. Someone needs a hug.

- x.