HDRadioFarce (for it is he) wrote:

Hey, Struble - ROTFLMFAO!

I wonder if having to cite Faux News actually helps you with your seemingly
terminal obsession?

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HD (aka IBOC) radio in the USA:

For the general public has to compete along with traditional analog
radio against
satellite radio, portable mp3 players, and Internet radio.

Automobile drivers have decided satellite wins hands down IF the
subscription price is not an issue for the listener.

MP3 players win for the rest.

IBOC in New York City Metro survives on a handful of AM stations,
many more on FM with multiple sub channels,
the FM sub channels being used to simulcast their AM sister stations,
ethnic or alternate programming.

Bottom line IMHO, its the programming content, not the technology that
is killing free radio.
It they had something on free radio that people wanted to listen to then
the technology would be embraced. Crap is crap no matter what you wrap
it in.

The rare BCB DXer or tech-know-geek is not in this horse race.
Hardware price is no longer an issue with so many fire sales on IBOC
enabled radios.

Steve
N2UBP

On 1/7/2012 1:00 PM, Steve Stone wrote:

Bottom line IMHO, its the programming content, not the technology that
is killing free radio.

I can't speak for NYC, but in the San Francisco Bay Area it's the
digital technology that's making terrestrial radio palatable at all.
There are several HD2 stations, including the only decent jazz station
on HD2.

Cost of the receivers is not an issue, there are so many different
models available now and the cost adder is only around $10. A bigger
issues is that on newer vehicles you can't easily replace the stock head
unit.

On 07/01/2012 21:00, Steve Stone wrote:


Bottom line IMHO, its the programming content, not the technology that
is killing free radio.
It they had something on free radio that people wanted to listen to then
the technology would be embraced. Crap is crap no matter what you wrap
it in.

I agree to some extent. If the content is cr*p, then not many people
will want to listen to it.

However I don't agree that this is the only factor.
In fact I think the most important factor is that people are content
with what they can already get on FM, and although FM is not perfect, it
does at least work well enough the vast majority of the time.

Also, with digital radio, I do think that technical factors could affect
whether people listen. If the audio keeps cutting out, then that will
put a lot of people off. Also if the sound quality is very poor, then I
do believe that will put a fair number of people off.

The rare BCB DXer or tech-know-geek is not in this horse race.
Hardware price is no longer an issue with so many fire sales on IBOC
enabled radios.

Except that vehicle manufacturers tend to want to fit the cheapest car
stereo they can get away with, and an ordinary AM/FM receiver, is still
cheaper than a digital radio.

Richard E.

On 1/8/2012 2:04 AM, Richard Evans wrote:

Except that vehicle manufacturers tend to want to fit the cheapest car
stereo they can get away with, and an ordinary AM/FM receiver, is still
cheaper than a digital radio.

That may be the case in the UK, and for very low end vehicles in the
U.S., but at least in the U.S., one way manufacturers distinguish
similar vehicles is with components like the sound system. The price
adder for the manufacturer for adding digital radio is very low, $5-10.
Higher end manufacturers simply add it, BMW is not going to lose sales
to Volvo, Cadillac is not going to lose sales to Lincoln, etc., over a
feature that costs very little to include. It's like leaving out
cup-holders.

My 70 year old next door neighbor just got a new Ford Taurus and
yesterday she spent an hour in the car while her daughter taught her how
to use the optional navigation system and the optional Ford Sync system
with HD Radio. I told her that now she needs a smart phone to link to
Sync system. I was rather surprised that she got those options since she
only drives about 8000 miles per year and doesn't drive on long trips.

One thing that's changed is that people are keeping their vehicles
longer and are willing to spend a little extra up front for something
they are going to live with for ten years, and those with older vehicles
that still have a DIN or double DIN opening for a head unit are willing
to replace it with something with more capability, not just digital
radio, but Bluetooth, iPod control, AUX-In, etc..

One thing that's changed is that people are keeping their vehicles
longer and are willing to spend a little extra up front for something
they are going to live with for ten years, and those with older vehicles
that still have a DIN or double DIN opening for a head unit are willing
to replace it with something with more capability, not just digital
radio, but Bluetooth, iPod control, AUX-In, etc..


A fairly recent issue I stumbled across on aftermarket upgrading auto
radios is the CAN_BUS linkage of just about anything, including the
radio, to the rest of the the electronics in the car.
It creates a whole new headache above and beyond getting the replacement
radio to fit in the opening and matching the wiring harness.

Steve
N2uBP

On 1/8/2012 7:20 AM, Steve Stone wrote:
One thing that's changed is that people are keeping their vehicles
longer and are willing to spend a little extra up front for something
they are going to live with for ten years, and those with older vehicles
that still have a DIN or double DIN opening for a head unit are willing
to replace it with something with more capability, not just digital
radio, but Bluetooth, iPod control, AUX-In, etc..


A fairly recent issue I stumbled across on aftermarket upgrading auto
radios is the CAN_BUS linkage of just about anything, including the
radio, to the rest of the the electronics in the car.
It creates a whole new headache above and beyond getting the replacement
radio to fit in the opening and matching the wiring harness.

That's right, and the few high-end replacement units that have CAN
capability are not cheap. When you buy a new car these days you'd better
get the features you want at the time of purchase since you're not going
to be able to add them on later.

Manufacturers need to be careful to not lose sales to a competitor that
includes capabilities that they try to charge extra for. It's sometimes
amazing what consumers will focus on when choosing one vehicle over
another. From the design of cup holders, to the audio system, when
you're deciding between very similar vehicles at similar cost, these
things make a difference.

On Jan 8, 5:04*am, Richard Evans
wrote:
On 07/01/2012 21:00, Steve Stone wrote:



Bottom line IMHO, its the programming content, not the technology that
is killing free radio.
It they had something on free radio that people wanted to listen to then
the technology would be embraced. Crap is crap no matter what you wrap
it in.

I agree to some extent. If the content is cr*p, then not many people
will want to listen to it.

However I don't agree that this is the only factor.
In fact I think the most important factor is that people are content
with what they can already get on FM, and although FM is not perfect, it
does at least work well enough the vast majority of the time.

Also, with digital radio, I do think that technical factors could affect
whether people listen. If the audio keeps cutting out, then that will
put a lot of people off. Also if the sound quality is very poor, then I
do believe that will put a fair number of people off.

The rare BCB DXer or tech-know-geek is not in this horse race.
Hardware price is no longer an issue with so many fire sales on IBOC
enabled radios.

Except that vehicle manufacturers tend to want to fit the cheapest car
stereo they can get away with, and an ordinary AM/FM receiver, is still
cheaper than a digital radio.

Richard E.

Fox News

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On Jan 8, 9:23*pm, MotoFox confucius-say@enlightenment!to!him!lead!it!
for!bangpath!follow!man!wise.UUCP wrote:
And it came to pass that HDRadioFarce delivered the following message unto
the people, saying~

"The Biggest CES Flops of All Time"

I'm going to tell you this again and I expect you to remember it: QUIT
CROSSPOSTING TO THE REC.RADIO.SHORTWAVE BOARD. The Ibiquity system has no
presence on shortwave (and in all likelihood, never will.) DRM and
Ibiquity are two entirely different, incompatible systems, both
technically and politically, so your pointless bloviating is completely
irrelevant on there.

Think you can remember that?

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